Kerry takes pen out of coat pocket... Drudge Reports on it...

[Taco John]

ROFL


THe desperation is really sinking in when this makes headlines at Drudge...


http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

[jettio]

Wonder if Bush noticed that?

Could have been a subtle way of getting under Bush's skin.

Strike a blow without saying anything.

But who knows or cares for that matter?

[DaKCMan AP]

lol. pathetic.

[DanT]

Both candidates reach into their coat pockets to remove what I would guess to be pens, based on the gestures they make and the typical location of pens in a suitwearer's get-up. They each make the same gesture: pull something out of pocket, arm it (click the pen, for example) and then put the mysterious object in hand as you apply it to the sheet of paper on the podium.

[DanT]

Oh wait, I think I'm wrong. It looks like Bush may have put his hand on the podium first before he armed his pen, so he may not have "went" to his coat pocket.

[DanT]

Wow, if this allegation is true, the Bush administration can't even be counted on to keep contraband from being hauled out right in front of their faces. How are they supposed to protect our borders?

:)

[jettio]

I made a few calls and have learned that what Kerry pulled out of his pocket was the watch that the Christopher Walken character in Pulp Fiction deliverd to young Butch.

Butch's dad served for several months with Kerry in Upper Cambodia.

[KCWolfman]

The article says something about a cheat sheet, not a pen.

It is a minor issue, IMO, but it doesn't warrant the lies being told on this thread.

[DanT]

The article says something about a cheat sheet, not a pen.

It is a minor issue, IMO, but it doesn't warrant the lies being told on this thread.

Sounds like you think I'm telling a lie.

I'm describing my guess about what something is. I do not know what it is and am not pretending that I did.

[whoman69]

Futher enhancements of the video do indeed prove that Kerry was pulling pin tar out of his pocket.

Drudgereport is flailing on this one. Doesn't it make sense that each candidate was allowed to have pens that were checked before the debate and then they put those pens in their pockets?

[Ultra Peanut]

Wow, if this allegation is true, the Bush administration can't even be counted on to keep contraband from being hauled out right in front of their faces. How are they supposed to protect our borders?

:)You political jerkmonkey!

jettio told me to say that.

[jettio]

You political jerkmonkey!

jettio told me to say that.

:clap: ROFL :clap:

[DanT]

You political jerkmonkey!

jettio told me to say that.
ROFL

[Raiderhader]

This is pretty pathetic. Especially since a close examination would show that Bush broke one of the rules as well when he asked Kerry if he thought a certain subject was worth a one minute extension.

This is really a stupid and petty path to go down on Drudge's behalf.

[kc1977]

Futher enhancements of the video do indeed prove that Kerry was pulling pin tar out of his pocket.

Drudgereport is flailing on this one. Doesn't it make sense that each candidate was allowed to have pens that were checked before the debate and then they put those pens in their pockets?

No, it makes no sense. If that's the case, he is a cheater. That sure doesn't look like a pen either....unless he has some pen that you can unfold.

Even if it was a pen, that is still ILLEGAL. This guy will stoop at nothing.

The rules clearly stated that all pens, paper, etc. were to be given to the debat officials beforehand, who would then place it on their podiums before the debate started.

I can't imagine how you whiny spinsters would be spinning if it was the other way around.

[memyselfI]

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Almost as hysterical as that other Kerry's performance today.

[Raiderhader]

No, it makes no sense. If that's the case, he is a cheater. That sure doesn't look like a pen either....unless he has some pen that you can unfold.

Even if it was a pen, that is still ILLEGAL. This guy will stoop at nothing.

The rules clearly stated that all pens, paper, etc. were to be given to the debat officials beforehand, who would then place it on their podiums before the debate started.

I can't imagine how you whiny spinsters would be spinning if it was the other way around.


I cannot and will not argue that, but you are still trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

[RINGLEADER]

DEVASTATING!!!


sorry...couldn't resist...

[DanT]

No, it makes no sense. If that's the case, he is a cheater. That sure doesn't look like a pen either....unless he has some pen that you can unfold.

Even if it was a pen, that is still ILLEGAL. This guy will stoop at nothing.

The rules clearly stated that all pens, paper, etc. were to be given to the debat officials beforehand, who would then place it on their podiums before the debate started.

I can't imagine how you whiny spinsters would be spinning if it was the other way around.

whoman69's "pin tar" reference in the quote of his to which you responded is one that many of us Kansas City sports fans recognize right away. As in baseball, so in political campaigns, potential rule violations are supposed to be pointed out by the opposition, preferably at an opportune time, as when Billy Martin challenged George Brett's homer against Goose Gossage for having a pine-tar violation.

If Senator Kerry pulled some illegal contraband out of his pocket in clear view of all those supporters and workers in President Bush's campaign, then the time that a competent campaign would challenge it is on the spot, not long after the fact.

[KCWolfman]

Sounds like you think I'm telling a lie.

I'm describing my guess about what something is. I do not know what it is and am not pretending that I did.
I wasn't speaking of you. Read the author of the thread's notes.

[memyselfI]

The Cons are just peeved because they played by the rules and had DUHbya disconnnect Cheney's puppet strings... ROFL

[KCWolfman]

The Cons are just peeved because they played by the rules and had DUHbya disconnnect Cheney's puppet strings... ROFL
The "cons" haven't complained about anything. In fact, most on this thread agree it is minor.

Never stopped your incessant rambling in the past, so you may as well carry on.

[memyselfI]

The "cons" haven't complained about anything. In fact, most on this thread agree it is minor.

Never stopped your incessant rambling in the past, so you may as well carry on.

uh, I don't think the Cons HERE would be responsible for DUHbya removing his puppet strings... :hmmm:

[KCWolfman]

uh, I don't think the Cons HERE would be responsible for DUHbya removing his puppet strings... :hmmm:
Then what you are saying is the "cons" responsible for "removing puppet strings" wrote the article, or how did you ascertain they were mad? In any situation, your original statement makes about as much sense as TJs.

[Baby Lee]

I can't imagine how you whiny spinsters would be spinning if it was the other way around.
I can't imagine the hooting and hollering if Bush had pulled out some cram notes for the debate.

This guy will stop at nothing.
Of course he needed something to overcome his stupidity.
No respect for democracy
His lack of respect for fair play is indicative of his sense of entitlement.
Never in the history of our democracy, has the sense of propriety been so abridged.
Liar, thief, Hitler!!!

[DenverChief]

I can't imagine the hooting and hollering if Bush had pulled out some cram notes for the debate.

This guy will stop at nothing.
Of course he needed something to overcome his stupidity.
No respect for democracy
His lack of respect for fair play is indicative of his sense of entitlement.
Never in the history of our democracy, has the sense of propriety been so abridged.
Liar, thief, Hitler!!!


You forgot "Let Nader in!"

[WilliamTheIrish]

I made a few calls and have learned that what Kerry pulled out of his pocket was the watch that the Christopher Walken character in Pulp Fiction deliverd to young Butch.

Butch's dad served for several months with Kerry in Upper Cambodia.

Dude that's the funniest thing you've said in months. Hilarious....

[the Talking Can]

I think it was a Can of Whoop-Ass that Kerry pulled out.

What else would cause the non-stop crying coming from Fox news since the debate?

How does Brit Hume call himself a journalist? He's just Sean Hannity with a stroke.

[MadProphetMargin]

ROFL


THe desperation is really sinking in when this makes headlines at Drudge...


http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm


YOU FORGOT ABOUT POLAND!
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:mad:

[Inspector]

I made a few calls and have learned that what Kerry pulled out of his pocket was the watch that the Christopher Walken character in Pulp Fiction deliverd to young Butch.

Butch's dad served for several months with Kerry in Upper Cambodia.

Ewww, remember where he "stored" it????

[jettio]

Dude that's the funniest thing you've said in months. Hilarious....


Thanks.:toast:

But that is a pretty high bar ain't it. :hmmm:

[Taco John]

No, it makes no sense. If that's the case, he is a cheater. That sure doesn't look like a pen either....unless he has some pen that you can unfold.

Even if it was a pen, that is still ILLEGAL. This guy will stoop at nothing.

The rules clearly stated that all pens, paper, etc. were to be given to the debat officials beforehand, who would then place it on their podiums before the debate started.

I can't imagine how you whiny spinsters would be spinning if it was the other way around.



Is this satire?

[Ultra Peanut]

Is this satire?I think you know what it is, you Bush-loving fag!

[the Talking Can]

I think you know what it is, you Bush-loving fag!

is that fore-shadowing?

[StcChief]

I guess Searching the candidates will be next.

[patteeu]

whoman69's "pin tar" reference in the quote of his to which you responded is one that many of us Kansas City sports fans recognize right away. As in baseball, so in political campaigns, potential rule violations are supposed to be pointed out by the opposition, preferably at an opportune time, as when Billy Martin challenged George Brett's homer against Goose Gossage for having a pine-tar violation.

If Senator Kerry pulled some illegal contraband out of his pocket in clear view of all those supporters and workers in President Bush's campaign, then the time that a competent campaign would challenge it is on the spot, not long after the fact.

That's a dumb analogy.

I don't know what JFKerry pulled out of his pocket, but it doesn't matter when the Bush campaign complains about it. The only appeal is to public opinion and the only sanction is whatever the public decides to do about it. It doesn't matter if the issue is raised at the time of the "infraction" or the day before the election. Baseball rules and procedures are completely different.

[Saulbadguy]

This is pretty pathetic. Especially since a close examination would show that Bush broke one of the rules as well when he asked Kerry if he thought a certain subject was worth a one minute extension.

This is really a stupid and petty path to go down on Drudge's behalf.
Agreed. I turned on the talk radio this morning like I always do, and this is what they are talking about. :shake:

[KCWolfman]

That's a dumb analogy.

I don't know what JFKerry pulled out of his pocket, but it doesn't matter when the Bush campaign complains about it. The only appeal is to public opinion and the only sanction is whatever the public decides to do about it. It doesn't matter if the issue is raised at the time of the "infraction" or the day before the election. Baseball rules and procedures are completely different.
Agreed. Who in their right mind would interrupt a debate shouting "Hey, ump, foul - foul"? All that would do is portray the man following the rules in a negative light.

Again, the issue is minor, but those defending the actions or outright lying on this thread to support the actions shows the hatred, anger, and blind jealousy the left has been festering for 4 years.

[RINGLEADER]

I don't understand why people on the right can't accept the fact that Bush lost the debate. Instead of manufacturing pens or papers or whatever...talk about what Kerry was saying. He says he didn't call Bush a liar then calls Bush a liar in a new TV ad. He says he's against giving other nations (not other organizations) the right to veto US pre-emptive action then says it requires a "global test". He says the Iraq war is a mistake but then says the troops fighting it aren't dying for a mistake. He says he's going to bring new allies into the war after telling Diane Sawyer that he doesn't expect France or Germany or Russia to supply new troops. Kerry's anti-war. Kerry thinks the war on terror is "primarily a law enforcement issue". Kerry wants to raise taxes to pay for homeland defense...or a healthcare entitlement...or to pay down the deficit...he can't seem to make up his mind.

[Taco John]

Fox News Feed Shows it was.... A PEN!


DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE

October 4, 2004 -- Was John Kerry trying to pull something at the debate last week?
That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question.

Was it a cheat sheet — as some conservative bloggers claimed — or was it something innocuous?

Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns: "No props, notes . . . or other tangible things may be brought into the debate."

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade remained angry at the bloggers' guilt-by-insinuation.

"The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-over," he said.

"We plead guilty to having a pen."

The Bush campaign did not comment.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

[Taco John]

http://www.beds.co.uk/news/stock%20pics/!egg-on-face.gif

The article says something about a cheat sheet, not a pen.

It is a minor issue, IMO, but it doesn't warrant the lies being told on this thread.


Sounds like you think I'm telling a lie.

I'm describing my guess about what something is. I do not know what it is and am not pretending that I did.


I wasn't speaking of you. Read the author of the thread's notes.

In any situation, your original statement makes about as much sense as TJs.



Again, the issue is minor, but those defending the actions or outright lying on this thread to support the actions shows the hatred, anger, and blind jealousy the left has been festering for 4 years.


It'll be fun to watch Russ swallow his pride for a second and apologize to me. Should I start holding my breath?

[memyselfI]

I don't understand why people on the right can't accept the fact that Bush lost the debate. Instead of manufacturing pens or papers or whatever... :thumb: :clap: ROFL

[DanT]

The use of challenges is central to the enforcement of the letter of election law as well as the spirit. If Senator Kerry had pulled out a cheat sheet, it would have been devastating for his campaign to be humiliated in front of the audience upon being challenged by it. There were lots of people in both campaigns that had a much clearer view of what happened during that incident than the camera did.

[Taco John]

I agree Dan... If they had a problem then, it should have been voiced then. All this other stuff is nothing more than aspersion casting, which reeks of desperation...

[patteeu]

That's a dumb analogy.

...

I shouldn't have used the word "dumb." Sorry about that DanT. I think it was a poor analogy for the reasons I mentioned, but I shouldn't have said it that way.

[KCWolfman]

It'll be fun to watch Russ swallow his pride for a second and apologize to me. Should I start holding my breath?
Here is the article you quoted.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

[A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket [14 seconds into video, after commerical]. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.]

A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge".

Developing...



There is nothing in the article that states he pulled a pen out. In fact, the article alludes to the idea that he pulled out notes on some sort of card or slip of paper.

Now, if you have another article and are sourcing it to your comments regarding a "pen" it would have been logical to do so PRIOR to your statement, not after.

Did you lie regarding the original article? Yes.
Is there statements supporting your "pen" remark afterwards? Yes
Does that warrant an apology because you originally supplied the wrong information? Harldy.

[Raiderhader]

Here is the article you quoted.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

[A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket [14 seconds into video, after commerical]. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.]

A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge".

Developing...



There is nothing in the article that states he pulled a pen out. In fact, the article alludes to the idea that he pulled out notes on some sort of card or slip of paper.

Now, if you have another article and are sourcing it to your comments regarding a "pen" it would have been logical to do so PRIOR to your statement, not after.

Did you lie regarding the original article? Yes.
Is there statements supporting your "pen" remark afterwards? Yes
Does that warrant an apology because you originally supplied the wrong information? Harldy.



You see, I would have just told him to go ahead and hold his and find out how long it took him to pass out.....

[DanT]

I shouldn't have used the word "dumb." Sorry about that DanT. I think it was a poor analogy for the reasons I mentioned, but I shouldn't have said it that way.

Thanks, patteeu. I just figured you meant "dumb" as in "mute" as in, "Gee, DanT, that baseball analogy does not speak to the matters of this case". ;)

[KCWolfman]

You see, I would have just told him to go ahead and hold his and find out how long it took him to pass out.....
LOL.

At least this way he gets to continue to make up arguments to support his original lie.

[Baby Lee]

Thanks, patteeu. I just figured you meant "dumb" as in "mute" as in, "Gee, DanT, that baseball analogy does not speak to the matters of this case". ;)
ROFL - DanT, the Helen Keller of analogies.

[KCWolfman]

ROFL - DanT, the Helen Keller of analogies.
ROFL I just don't get the image of Dan sitting in front of the keyboard going "Waaaaa taaaa .... waaa taaaa." Ernie maybe, but not Dan.

[Taco John]

Here is the article you quoted.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

[A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket [14 seconds into video, after commerical]. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.]

A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge".

Developing...



There is nothing in the article that states he pulled a pen out. In fact, the article alludes to the idea that he pulled out notes on some sort of card or slip of paper.

Now, if you have another article and are sourcing it to your comments regarding a "pen" it would have been logical to do so PRIOR to your statement, not after.

Did you lie regarding the original article? Yes.
Is there statements supporting your "pen" remark afterwards? Yes
Does that warrant an apology because you originally supplied the wrong information? Harldy.



I'm aware the original story didn't say "pen." The original story is the one that lacked truth.

Being right is vindication enough. I don't need your egg-dripped apology.

[KCWolfman]

I'm aware the original story didn't say "pen." The original story is the one that lacked truth.

Being right is vindication enough. I don't need your egg-dripped apology.
Then we are in agreement. Your original statements had nothing to do with the story you linked it to.

Evidently your style needs some work.

[Hel'n]

ROFL


THe desperation is really sinking in when this makes headlines at Drudge...


http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

And Rush is going crazy this morning... saying it's no big deal... but he knew Kerry was going to cheat...

Puhleez... this is really reaching and desperate stuff... very low brow...
:shake:

[memyselfI]

And Rush is going crazy this morning... saying it's no big deal... but he knew Kerry was going to cheat...

Puhleez... this is really reaching and desperate stuff... very low brow...
:shake:

I'd love it if the Cons get themselves worked into a tizzy over this and then it ends up being a handkerchief...

come to think of it, there was no sweat on Mr. Kerry all night. :hmmm: ROFL

[Taco John]

Then we are in agreement. Your original statements had nothing to do with the story you linked it to.

Evidently your style needs some work.


Of course the original story didn't say "pen." The Relect-Bush Repor, er, I mean Drudge Report wanted to paint it in as negative a light as possible... I (correctly) filled in the gaps.

Apparently, my style is "getting it right," unlike your style "defend the partyline at all costs."

No matter. I was right. Drudge was wrong.

[Raiderhader]

LOL.

At least this way he gets to continue to make up arguments to support his original lie.


Looking back on my statement I see that I failed to mention specifically what it was you should tell him to hold before passing out.

For clarification, the word I forgot to include was "breath". But feel free to fill in the blank with whatever you want. :)

[patteeu]

And Rush is going crazy this morning... saying it's no big deal... but he knew Kerry was going to cheat...

Puhleez... this is really reaching and desperate stuff... very low brow...
:shake:

I heard Rush and it didn't strike me that way at all. He basically said what Ringleader said earlier in this thread. He said that complaining about Kerry cheating should be beneath the Bush campaign. He said the campaign should be focusing on (and in fact are focusing on) the words Kerry spoke, not on his adherence to the rules.

[Kraut]

ROFL


THe desperation is really sinking in when this makes headlines at Drudge...


http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm
Who cares what he pulled out. I know there are rules and all but who really cares. Its a sad commentary on the media as a whole. There are issues out there that should be getting the headlines and the coverage. It is sad not just on the right but on the left leaning media as well. :shake:

[Saggysack]

ROFL

The Grudge Report got it wrong...again.

[Ultra Peanut]

What they were writing with those pens:

<img src="http://www.snarkywench.com/images/bushkerry.jpg" style="width: 500px; height: 456px; border: 0" alt="" />