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DaWolf
10-06-2004, 04:06 AM
Heck of a rumor

Sweeney-for-Sosa deal isn't likely, but would the Royals bite?

By BOB DUTTON

The Kansas City Star


The Hot Stove League is already cooking up a doozy of a rumor involving the Royals:

Mike Sweeney to the Cubs for Sammy Sosa.

Unlikely? Absolutely. But not absolutely impossible.

“I'm open to exploring any possibility for improving our ballclub,” Royals general manager Allard Baird said. “But I'll say this: I haven't spoken with the Cubs since the All-Star break.”

But Baird is planning a full circuit of calls to the Cubs and other GMs in the next few days. In addition to Sosa, the Royals want to see how disgusted the Angels are with suspended outfielder Jose Guillen.

Guillen, 28, batted .294 with 27 homers and a career-high 104 RBIs in 148 games before getting suspended by Anaheim for throwing an on-field tantrum following his removal from a game for a pinch-runner.

The Royals are first in line for any waiver claim on Guillen after finishing with the worst record in the American League. They also are willing to discuss a trade within limited boundaries.

“We're not going to trade prospects,” Baird said, “for any player who amounts to a one-year rental.”

The Royals already have identified a power-hitting corner outfielder as their biggest off-season need and have existing staff ties to Guillen and Sosa. New first base coach Joe Jones worked with Guillen in Pittsburgh, while hitting coach Jeff Pentland is generally credited with helping Sosa develop into one of the game's most-feared hitters.

“After he got (to Chicago) and we started working together,” Sosa once said, “my progress has been unbelievable. He was the one that got me to do what I needed to do.”

Both players are Dominican natives who might also welcome the opportunity to play under countryman Tony Peña after encountering difficulties with their current managers.

Guillen is under contract next season for $3.5 million, which easily places him within the Royals' payroll structure, while a Sosa-for-Sweeney deal is a virtual long-term financial wash.

Sosa, 35, has clearly worn out his welcome with the Cubs, who signaled their willingness to part ways by confirming he left the ballpark just 15 minutes into Sunday's meaningless season finale.

Sosa also is coming off his least-productive season in years. He batted just .253 in 126 games with 35 homers and 80 RBIs. Further, he is under contract next year for $17 million, with an option for $18 million in 2006 that becomes guaranteed if traded.

Sweeney is due $33 million over the next three seasons if he remains with the Royals, but his deal jumps to $12.5 million a year — $37.5 million total — if traded.

Baird said the Royals aren't looking to trade Sweeney but are willing to listen to offers. He also said any deal must provide an on-field benefit because “we're not looking to dump salary.”

The biggest snag to a Sweeney-for-Sosa deal is the Cubs already have a productive first baseman in Derrick Lee, whose three-year contract for $22.5 million runs through 2006.

That means the Cubs would need to trade Lee or Sweeney for the deal to work. Even so, that figures to be easier than finding another team willing to take on Sosa's salary and growing baggage.

Sosa would have to approve any trade, but a potential reunion with Pentland provides the Royals with a bargaining chip. Sweeney, 31, has a limited no-trade clause but would almost certainly approve a deal to the Cubs, a proven postseason contender.

In other personnel news:

• John Mizerock has opted to remain with the Royals after losing his job as third-base coach. Mizerock will serve as a minor-league roving instructor.

• Right-hander Runelvys Hernandez pushed his fastball to 93 mph in a Monday outing in the Arizona Instructional League. Hernandez is still throwing just fastballs and change-ups in his recovery from reconstructive elbow surgery.

link (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/baseball/mlb/kansas_city_royals/9844227.htm)

tk13
10-06-2004, 04:36 AM
Guh. He hit 30 homers but looked pretty awful in the process at times. I don't know if working with Pentland again would save him or not. Plus, as much as I love Mike Sweeney there's no way the Cubs should let a Gold Glove 1st baseman in Lee get away. Not to mention that if we're going to spend 17 million dollars on someone, it should be Carlos Beltran (although I have my doubts he'd stayed in KC even if we matched or upped the Yankees/Red Sox offer). This is just a dumb rumor that probably won't go anywhere... thankfully.

Ari Chi3fs
10-06-2004, 04:47 AM
im all for Jose Guillen though... seems solid, except for temper probs...

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2004, 04:49 AM
Let me think...

<img src="http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/no.JPG" style="width: 1200px; height: 777px; border: 0" alt="" />

Ari Chi3fs
10-06-2004, 04:52 AM
damn that pic is as huge as my cock n baows.

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2004, 05:03 AM
The girl in the background sort of looks like Christina Ricci and Sarah Polley somehow had a baby together.

homey
10-06-2004, 08:19 AM
Lee had a career year. For the Cubs to trade him for an often injured and defensive liability like Sweeney isn't smart business. But they are the Cubs, so yea, they might do it. I don't think I would want Sosa on my team though.

shakesthecat
10-06-2004, 08:25 AM
Hmmm, let's see.
Trade a always injured, over-paid, poor fielding 1st baseman, for a always injured, poor fielding, over paid, RF.

Seems like a win/win.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 08:27 AM
I'd do the deal. I'd do both deals. We have nothing...and I mean nothing to lose. We're already the worst team in the AL, if not baseball. A bona-fide superstar, even if he is coming off a so-so year might actually put some butts in the seats. And who knows...maybe we'd actually win a few more games.

shakesthecat
10-06-2004, 08:39 AM
I'd do the deal. I'd do both deals. We have nothing...and I mean nothing to lose. We're already the worst team in the AL, if not baseball. A bona-fide superstar, even if he is coming off a so-so year might actually put some butts in the seats. And who knows...maybe we'd actually win a few more games.

Agreed.

Although after last years JuanGone disaster, I'm a little leary of KC picking up another aging prima donna.

As for Guillen, he has been with something like 5 teams the past 3 years.
Looks to me like the guy wears out his welcome pretty quickly.

But like you said, KC already sucks, so it's not like these 2 will make them any worse.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 08:50 AM
Agreed.

Although after last years JuanGone disaster, I'm a little leary of KC picking up another aging prima donna.

As for Guillen, he has been with something like 5 teams the past 3 years.
Looks to me like the guy wears out his welcome pretty quickly.

But like you said, KC already sucks, so it's not like these 2 will make them any worse.
At least Sosa has some degree of sack...whereas Sweeney won't bowl over a catcher on a slide because he's such a nice guy. The Royals need a serious shot of attitude...and Sosa's is much more coherant to winning than Gonzalez's imo.

Imagine the excitment that would surround the team if we were to get a guy like Sosa. People would actually have hope again...if for no other reason that the Royals were willing to show they wanted to win...instead of cut payroll again. Sosa is a future hall-of-famer who was partially responsible for baseballs come back a few years ago. He's almost always been seen as a happy-go-lucky, fan friendly, positive attitude type of guy. The polar opposite of Gonzalez.

Frazod
10-06-2004, 10:11 AM
You've got to be shitting me.

Sosa is a prima donna douchebag and a locker room cancer. He spent a huge chunk of the season injured and his numbers are going in the toilet.

F#ck Sosa. As a Cardinals fan, I hope the Cubs keep him. :D

Of course, I doubt if his bloated ego could endure a small market team anyway. If he goes anywhere, it'll probably be New York (Mets).

Besides, I think his asking price for next season is $17 mil. No way is that piece of crap worth that kind of scratch (and even if he was, that f#ck Glass wouldn't pay it anyway).

Sure-Oz
10-06-2004, 10:54 AM
I wouldn't mind adding Sosa and Guillen, I mean we lost what 104 games?

OmahaChief
10-06-2004, 11:14 AM
If the Royals trade for Sammy Sosa, I will cease being a Royals fan.

ENDelt260
10-06-2004, 11:16 AM
Hmmm, let's see.
Trade a always injured, over-paid, poor fielding 1st baseman, for a always injured, poor fielding, over paid, RF.

Seems like a win/win.
Start printing playoff tickets!!

ENDelt260
10-06-2004, 11:17 AM
We're already the worst team in the AL, if not baseball.

Keep f-ing doubting the Diamonbacks.

shakesthecat
10-06-2004, 11:23 AM
If the Royals trade for Sammy Sosa, I will cease being a Royals fan.

Soooo....losing 100+ games 2 out of the last 3 years isn't enough, but trading for one of the most profilic HR hitters our our time will push you over the edge, huh.

Heck, beer me is OK with it, and he quit being a fan back in July :p :thumb:

shakesthecat
10-06-2004, 11:24 AM
Start printing playoff tickets!!

:thumb:

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 11:28 AM
does sosa have any meaningful baseballs coming up? I would love to see royals fans diving into the fountains trying to grab a baseball that will only be worth like 30 bucks, but it would make for good entertainment. Especially if they throw in some gators out there.

lurker king
10-06-2004, 11:34 AM
I doubt that anything could hurt the Royals at this point, so y not at least try?

Ari Chi3fs
10-06-2004, 11:39 AM
Sosa would put assloads of fans in the seats... Carl would ... I mean Baird would be happy.

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 11:48 AM
Sosa would put assloads of fans in the seats... Carl would ... I mean Baird would be happy.

this is the midwest, assloads of fans only 2 girls from rolla

ENDelt260
10-06-2004, 11:52 AM
this is the midwest, assloads of fans only 2 girls from rolla
As long as they do it Southwest Air style and charge them for every seat they fill.

Sure-Oz
10-06-2004, 12:26 PM
I'd prefer to make that waiver claim on guillen if he gets waived, we almost traded for him what 2 years ago?

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 12:53 PM
Ok I hate the yankees, that gives me something to watch tonight

KHinz57
10-06-2004, 02:49 PM
How long as Mike Sweeney been in MLB and the fans in Kansas City cannot get his damn name right?

tk13
10-06-2004, 03:41 PM
Imagine the excitment that would surround the team if we were to get a guy like Sosa. People would actually have hope again...if for no other reason that the Royals were willing to show they wanted to win...instead of cut payroll again. Sosa is a future hall-of-famer who was partially responsible for baseballs come back a few years ago.

You mean like the fans did when they signed Gonzalez, Santiago, Graffanino, etc... How soon we forget.

This franchise has shown consistently over the last two years that they want to win. Now if we want to have an argument over whether they are doing the right things to win, that is different. However, two years ago Glass continued to add payroll and did not hesistate to open the checkbook even once as Allard said "We need Rondell White, we need Leskanic, etc." when we were close to winning the division. Then this offseason he tried to fill some holes around our prospects to continue to win. When things went south, Baird started looking for young guys... he made several small deals here and there, was able to rob some people blind (see the Bautista deal). He always seemed busy trying to make deals and moves.

Now I see that fans here, on Royals boards, and everywhere, think we've going to play cheap again.... because we freaking chose not to exercise Joe Randa's option. I can't believe everybody wants to pay 3.5 million dollars for a third baseman that hit 8 home runs this year.

For the way Chiefs fans constantly rag on Carl for never doing anything, you think Allard Baird would at least get some respect for being a GM constantly in motion... but no, it's just another thing people can bitch about, because in the mind of a Kansas City fan the only right move is the one the GM isn't making. I'm amazed someone over at the Mane doesn't have that as their motto.

OmahaChief
10-06-2004, 03:54 PM
Soooo....losing 100+ games 2 out of the last 3 years isn't enough, but trading for one of the most profilic HR hitters our our time will push you over the edge, huh.

Heck, beer me is OK with it, and he quit being a fan back in July :p :thumb:

Yes it would. I have no respect for Sosa, his act is tired and was tired years ago. Sure he hits some bombs but the guy is a piece of garbage in my opinion. I would rather lose 100 without this scumbag then only lose 90 with him.

Bringing in an aging Sammy Sosa is no guarentee that the team will do better. To me all he would do is take up a roster spot for someone that is younger and someone I would rather see get a chance.

Bring in someone else that is fine but Sosa will drive me off.

tk13
10-06-2004, 04:07 PM
Heck, if you look at it, Sweeney himself had 22 homers and 79 RBI (one less than Sosa) and he played in less games for a team with far, far less offensive power....

Sosa hit .224 with runners in scoring position. Sweeney hit .331.... and hit .375 with RISP with 2 outs.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:09 PM
Keep f-ing doubting the Diamonbacks.
ROFL

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2004, 04:11 PM
If the Royals trade for Sammy Sosa, I will cease being a Royals fan.You're a MIAMI HURRICANES FAN, for fvck's sake. ROFL

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:13 PM
You mean like the fans did when they signed Gonzalez, Santiago, Graffanino, etc... How soon we forget.


You can't be comparing Graffanino and Santiago...or even Gonzalez for that matter with Sosa...achievement-wise.

I do give Baird credit for trying. I don't think he's the problem. Ownership is...imo.

tk13
10-06-2004, 04:21 PM
You can't be comparing Graffanino and Santiago...or even Gonzalez for that matter with Sosa...achievement-wise.

I do give Baird credit for trying. I don't think he's the problem. Ownership is...imo.
How's that? I think I can, Santiago and Graffanino have actually played in a World Series... and Gonzalez was an RBI machine every bit as good as Sosa in his day... didn't hit quite as many balls over the fence, but hit for average and drove in enough runs to make up for it.

But the key to all of that was "in his day"... Sammy wasn't anything close to 1998 Sammy this year. Hit a bunch of homers, but didn't do squat with runners in scoring position. Pretty hard to hit 35 homers and only drive in 80 runs when you're right smack in the middle of a lineup like the Cubs.

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:22 PM
I blame baird, he signed Gonzo, let Raul go, and for the love of cripes he traded away a 5 tool player for some no names. Firebaird.com

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2004, 04:22 PM
The Cubs were the league leaders in solo homers.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:30 PM
How's that? I think I can, Santiago and Graffanino have actually played in a World Series... and Gonzalez was an RBI machine every bit as good as Sosa in his day... didn't hit quite as many balls over the fence, but hit for average and drove in enough runs to make up for it.

But the key to all of that was "in his day"... Sammy wasn't anything close to 1998 Sammy this year. Hit a bunch of homers, but didn't do squat with runners in scoring position. Pretty hard to hit 35 homers and only drive in 80 runs when you're right smack in the middle of a lineup like the Cubs.
I believe the point I was trying to make was that Sosa...in general...has been a player with skills AND popularity...two things the Royals could really use....even if Sammy isn't as popular now as he's been in the past. Gonzalez has had skills off and on but has never put butts in the seats or been popular with anyone but his own agent.

World Series or not...Santiago and Graffanino are no Sammy Sosa. Jamie Quirk played in a World series too.

It doesn't really matter what the Royals do or don't do with Sosa. He's not gonna single-handedly turn the team around anyway. They need a lot more than him.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:32 PM
I blame baird, he signed Gonzo, let Raul go, and for the love of cripes he traded away a 5 tool player for some no names. Firebaird.com
Raul was my favorite player and I hated to see him go, but he got an offer from Seattle that the Royals would have been insane to top.

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:32 PM
I believe the point I was trying to make was that Sosa...in general...has been a player with skills AND popularity...two things the Royals could really use....even if Sammy isn't as popular now as he's been in the past. Gonzalez has had skills off and on but has never put butts in the seats or been popular with anyone but his own agent.

World Series or not...Santiago and Graffanino are no Sammy Sosa. Jamie Quirk played in a World series too.

It doesn't really matter what the Royals do or don't do with Sosa. He's not gonna single-handedly turn the team around anyway. They need a lot more than him.

what they need is rich scanlon

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:33 PM
what they need is rich scanlon
ROFL

No f#cking shit!

tk13
10-06-2004, 04:35 PM
I think Juan Gonzalez helped put a lot of butts in the seats early on this year... plus I guess I've never liked Sammy Sosa that much. I've always thought he was a bigger primadonna than he let on. He almost got himself traded once in Chicago, and now he went and did the junk he did at the end of the year not staying for the last game of the season or whatever...

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:36 PM
Raul was my favorite player and I hated to see him go, but he got an offer from Seattle that the Royals would have been insane to top.

I was just mirroring the dumbassery that goes on on kcroyals.com. I think baird atleast is following a plan. Good job baird

Sure-Oz
10-06-2004, 04:36 PM
What is the deal with not staying for the last game? Cubs ragged on him all season long for having a down year, kinda sucks cause he did alot of good things for them, i would not mind having him at all.

tk13
10-06-2004, 04:37 PM
I was just mirroring the dumbassery that goes on on kcroyals.com. I think baird atleast is following a plan. Good job baird
ROFL You read that board too huh? Hurry! Hurry! Let's fax Dan Glass and tell him how pissed off we are and that we want Rich Scanlon! :)

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:39 PM
paulamarie is that boards deeneese. there is so much dumbshit over there, plus the setups sucks, i can't tell what !@#$%!@#$%!@#$%!@#$%ing page i am on when i am over there.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:39 PM
I think Juan Gonzalez helped put a lot of butts in the seats early on this year... plus I guess I've never liked Sammy Sosa that much. I've always thought he was a bigger primadonna than he let on. He almost got himself traded once in Chicago, and now he went and did the junk he did at the end of the year not staying for the last game of the season or whatever...
You're right I guess that Gonzalez helped put some butts in the seats for KC for a little while this year. I've never been a Sosa fan either, fwiw. I'd just blike to see the Royals stop sucking most every year and Sosa brings something to the table...imo...that no one else has in a long, long time.

Like I said though...I doubt he would make much of a difference.

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:42 PM
Sosa pisses me off, in that pepsi commercial, a real white sox fan would have stabbed that phucker

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-06-2004, 04:43 PM
Sosa pisses me off, in that pepsi commercial, a real white sox fan would have stabbed that phucker
ROFL

So how is that Sosa's fault?

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:45 PM
it's sosa's fault for looking like a steriod induced bafoon, his forehead looks like the overhang in right field at old tiger staduim

Demonpenz
10-06-2004, 04:47 PM
beltran goes deep, dammnit baird!

OmahaChief
10-06-2004, 08:18 PM
You're a MIAMI HURRICANES FAN, for fvck's sake. ROFL

And that has what to do with Sammy Sosa?

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2004, 08:31 PM
And that has what to do with Sammy Sosa?You can't stand Sammy Sosa, but you root for Willie Williams U?

OmahaChief
10-06-2004, 08:51 PM
You can't stand Sammy Sosa, but you root for Willie Williams U?

No different then rooting for a Chiefs team that had Vanover, Rison, Bong Morris and drunk Warfield I suppose.

All criminals to an extent. To think that each and every team we support is not liittered with malcontents and unsavory characters is short sighted.

As for Sosa, he got caught with a corked bat, gave some weak ass excuse and next thing ya know the guy is no longer hitting 40 homers a year and his overall HR production is down.

His organization back home was exposed as a fraud, of course he was not aware becuase he was not running it. He has been a cancer in the locker room for a few years now according to ex teammates.

So I don't want him on the team, he would be nothing more then a semi healthy Juan Gone.