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Baby Lee
02-19-2009, 07:37 AM
Second episode in a row where someone uttered the phrase "I guess that's why they call it . . . "
In John's case, "I guess that's why they call it a sacrifice" and he's being returned to the island on flight 316, John 3:16.
Army's 'eyes only' photo taken [or at least dated] 50 years to the day prior to the 815 crash.
We don't see the plane crash, but Sawyer etal see a water bottle from the airline somewhere in their timeskips.
Right after Jack asked about the other passengers and Ben said 'who cares' the O-5, Saiad's 'custodian' and the guy who chatted up Jack in queue are the only passengers visible.
Starting to wonder if that one flash scene where they had Karl hooked up to virtual reality on 'the other island' was a tell.

BigRedChief
02-19-2009, 08:39 AM
Frank is cool - I hope he survived... whatever it was.

"We're not going to Guam, are we?" LMAO
Best line evah.....:clap:

BigRedChief
02-19-2009, 08:43 AM
Why the **** were they taking Sayid to Guam?

That doesn't make sense to me.
Maybe he killed someone there when he was a killer for Ben?

rad
02-19-2009, 08:46 AM
Second episode in a row where someone uttered the phrase "I guess that's why they call it . . . "
In John's case, "I guess that's why they call it a sacrifice" and he's being returned to the island on flight 316, John 3:16.
Army's 'eyes only' photo taken [or at least dated] 50 years to the day prior to the 815 crash.
We don't see the plane crash, but Sawyer etal see a water bottle from the airline somewhere in their timeskips.
Right after Jack asked about the other passengers and Ben said 'who cares' the O-5, Saiad's 'custodian' and the guy who chatted up Jack in queue are the only passengers visible.
Starting to wonder if that one flash scene where they had Karl hooked up to virtual reality on 'the other island' was a tell.

You think the plane crashed, or the island just took them as the plane was flying over during a timeskip?

Baby Lee
02-19-2009, 08:49 AM
You think the plane crashed, or the island just took them as the plane was flying over during a timeskip?

My syntax was ambiguous

We don't see the plane crash <------ that word is a verb, not a noun.

Red Brooklyn
02-19-2009, 09:02 AM
Ok....after collecting my thoughts. Here are a few theories I have spurred by this episode.

[QUOTE=aarowheadnation;5505799]1. Since, this flight was supposed to mimic the Oceanic Flight, the Indian fellow that expressed his condolences had to have taken the place of someone at the ticket counter in Sydney that interacted with Jack. If I remember right, Ana Lucia offered him condolences in Sydney. Same goes with Sayid and his captor and Kate and her captor on 815.
Makes sense... and I'm hoping against all hope that Walt is one of the passangers in the back of the plain.:D I'm sure he's not... but there's always that outside chance... pleasebringbackwalt,pleasebringbackwalt,pleaseplease..

2. After hearing Jack speak to his grandfather about putting the white shoes on Christian's body, it all dawned on me. Just as in "The White Rabbit" when Jack noticed his father on the beach in the white shoes, once Locke's body is returned to the island, he will become an omniscient being like that of Christian and Jacob. He will be one of the true protectors of the island.
We'll see about this. I'm not totally convinced he's going to be an omniscient being just yet... very strong possibility. You could be dead on, and it would make total sense. For some reason I'm still not totally sold on this yet... don't know why, just a weird feeling...

3. I think it's all cyclical. I say there were people on flight 815 "going back" as well. Christian Shepherd was the omniscient being on that flight...like Locke is on the Ajira flight.
I had this same thought at the end of last season when Ben mentioned that Locke had to go back too... I thought, wow, just like Christain... I wonder if there was anyone on 815 going "baaaaaaack?" I sort of hope not. I hope this is the first time something like this has happened. Takes some of the wind out of it for me to think that it's happened before.

4. It's pretty obvious that they've landed in the 60's prior to "the purge." I wonder if the rest of them will have to help Ben kill the Dharma workers.
I think you're right. Probably 60s or 70s. But the purge happened on December 19, 1992. If they are "stuck" in time (not jumping around in flashes) then they've got a lot of ground to cover between the 60s/70s and 1992. I'm very interested to see how all this plays out. I'm guessing they may have more involvement in "the incident" than the purge. I can't wait to find out!!! So exciting!! :D

5. It's evident to me from the previews for next week that Kate went and saw Ben. He offered protection for Aaron (LIES). In return she had to go back to the island.
Interesting...

6. So now Ben will have his bargaining chip. He now has "the prince" (the name of the ep. two weeks ago centering on Aaron) in his possession.
So, do you think Ben makes it back to the island? And if so, do you think this is how he's able to do it? By Ben's own admission, he's not supposed to be able to return.

7. I think Widmore had goons watching Penny from afar. When Ben went for the kill, they jacked him up.
My heart sank when Ben said he had to go fulfill a promise he made to an old friend... I hope Penny's okay... I really like her and Des's story. Of course, if she is dead, maybe that's what gets Des back to the island???

8. Also noticed that Lepidus didn't do anything to veer the plane off its course after speaking to Jack about "where" they were going. It's like he pretty much just accepted what was going to happen.

That's all for now. I'll probably think of more.
Good post. Nice thoughts. I would like to add something that jumped out at me as very interesting...

Jack asks Ben, "How can you read?" (or something like that.) and Ben says, "My Mother taught me." Yes, very funny Ben. You're so clev... wait??? Your MOTHER??? Your dead mother taught you to read?? The one you killed in childbirth?? Interesting....

I hope the losties have landed in a time where we get to see more of little Ben's story. And of course... little Charlotte, and maybe even little Annie. Oh, and BRING BACK WALT!!

Great episode.

arrowheadnation
02-19-2009, 09:10 AM
[QUOTE=aarowheadnation;5505799]Ok....after collecting my thoughts. Here are a few theories I have spurred by this episode.


Makes sense... and I'm hoping against all hope that Walt is one of the passangers in the back of the plain.:D I'm sure he's not... but there's always that outside chance... pleasebringbackwalt,pleasebringbackwalt,pleaseplease..


We'll see about this. I'm not totally convinced he's going to be an omniscient being just yet... very strong possibility. You could be dead on, and it would make total sense. For some reason I'm still not totally sold on this yet... don't know why, just a weird feeling...


I had this same thought at the end of last season when Ben mentioned that Locke had to go back too... I thought, wow, just like Christain... I wonder if there was anyone on 815 going "baaaaaaack?" I sort of hope not. I hope this is the first time something like this has happened. Takes some of the wind out of it for me to think that it's happened before.


I think you're right. Probably 60s or 70s. But the purge happened on December 19, 1992. If they are "stuck" in time (not jumping around in flashes) then they've got a lot of ground to cover between the 60s/70s and 1992. I'm very interested to see how all this plays out. I'm guessing they may have more involvement in "the incident" than the purge. I can't wait to find out!!! So exciting!! :D


Interesting...


So, do you think Ben makes it back to the island? And if so, do you think this is how he's able to do it? By Ben's own admission, he's not supposed to be able to return.


My heart sank when Ben said he had to go fulfill a promise he made to an old friend... I hope Penny's okay... I really like her and Des's story. Of course, if she is dead, maybe that's what gets Des back to the island???


Good post. Nice thoughts. I would like to add something that jumped out at me as very interesting...

Jack asks Ben, "How can you read?" (or something like that.) and Ben says, "My Mother taught me." Yes, very funny Ben. You're so clev... wait??? Your MOTHER??? Your dead mother taught you to read?? The one you killed in childbirth?? Interesting....

I hope the losties have landed in a time where we get to see more of little Ben's story. And of course... little Charlotte, and maybe even little Annie. Oh, and BRING BACK WALT!!

Great episode.

A friend of mine who knows someone who works for the studio gets to see the episodes a couple weeks early has informed me that we will be seeing Walt again in the next couple episodes....Christian Shepherd too.

Red Brooklyn
02-19-2009, 09:16 AM
[QUOTE=Red Brooklyn;5507092]

A friend of mine who knows someone who works for the studio gets to see the episodes a couple weeks early has informed me that we will be seeing Walt again in the next couple episodes....Christian Shepherd too.

:clap:

milmil13
02-19-2009, 11:47 AM
Anyone think it is possible that Kate went to see Jack to get knocked-up? Farraday's mother said they need to recreate the Oceanic flight, which included a pregnant woman, Claire. Now I now Kate wouldn't know she was pregnant that quickly, but nonetheless it was a kind of outside the box theory I have on why Kate went to see Jack.

Chiefnj2
02-19-2009, 12:28 PM
Anyone think it is possible that Kate went to see Jack to get knocked-up? Farraday's mother said they need to recreate the Oceanic flight, which included a pregnant woman, Claire. Now I now Kate wouldn't know she was pregnant that quickly, but nonetheless it was a kind of outside the box theory I have on why Kate went to see Jack.

I think that those without "faith" received visits from dead lostees that gave them faith at the last minute.

I think Kate had another visit from Claire who told her to give the baby to Claire's mom and have sex with Jack.

I think Hurley was visited by Charlie and told to bring a guitar.

I think Sayid was visited by Shannon who gave him directions on how to be arrested ala Kate in the pilot.

milmil13
02-19-2009, 12:31 PM
I think that those without "faith" received visits from dead lostees that gave them faith at the last minute.

I think Kate had another visit from Claire who told her to give the baby to Claire's mom and have sex with Jack.

I think Hurley was visited by Charlie and told to bring a guitar.

I think Sayid was visited by Shannon who gave him directions on how to be arrested ala Kate in the pilot.

That's an interesting theory, and would tend to agree with it. I kept trying to figure out why Hurley had that guitar.

Red Brooklyn
02-19-2009, 12:48 PM
:DI think that those without "faith" received visits from dead lostees that gave them faith at the last minute.

I think Kate had another visit from Claire who told her to give the baby to Claire's mom and have sex with Jack.

I think Hurley was visited by Charlie and told to bring a guitar.

I think Sayid was visited by Shannon who gave him directions on how to be arrested ala Kate in the pilot.
Interesting. Makes sense to me. I definately think Hurley was visited by Charlie. Claire and Kate makes sense. I don't think Claire told her to hump Jack though. I could be totally wrong... just feels weird. And if Sayid was visited by a spirit, I hope it was Nadia. But it would be fun to see Shannon again... as much as I disliked the character. :D

Chiefnj2
02-19-2009, 02:32 PM
:D
Interesting. Makes sense to me. I definately think Hurley was visited by Charlie. Claire and Kate makes sense. I don't think Claire told her to hump Jack though. I could be totally wrong... just feels weird. And if Sayid was visited by a spirit, I hope it was Nadia. But it would be fun to see Shannon again... as much as I disliked the character. :D

I thought about Nadia first and then didn't remember any connection she had with the Island. That's why I went with Shannon.

I also think it was Widmore who beat the crap out of Ben. Some people are speculating that Ben went to kill Penny and Desmond beat him up. I think Desmond would have no problem killing Ben in such a situation. We know that Widmore and Ben can't kill each other so, to me, it makes sense that Widmore saw Ben sneaking around his daughter and had some goons rough him up.

Buck
02-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Maybe he killed someone there when he was a killer for Ben?

I guess thats a possiblity.

I was thinking the reason Hurley was out of Jail was because Sayid confessed to Killing the guy outside of the Looney Bin.

I was thinking thats why he was being extradited. Maybe he was being deported to Iraq and Guam is a half way point???

Red Brooklyn
02-19-2009, 04:35 PM
I thought about Nadia first and then didn't remember any connection she had with the Island. That's why I went with Shannon.

I also think it was Widmore who beat the crap out of Ben. Some people are speculating that Ben went to kill Penny and Desmond beat him up. I think Desmond would have no problem killing Ben in such a situation. We know that Widmore and Ben can't kill each other so, to me, it makes sense that Widmore saw Ben sneaking around his daughter and had some goons rough him up.
I think that's a definate possibility. I'm not convinced that it was Des specifically that beat the tar out of Ben. But I do think Ben went after Penny. Some are saying perhaps that's too obvious and maybe Ben was going after Sayid in some way. To get him back to the island. But right now I'm thinking he was after Penny. And you're right. If Des was there and able he certainly would have killed Ben. No question.

cookster50
02-20-2009, 07:00 AM
Best line evah.....:clap:

I liked Ben's "Who cares?" line better.

Frazod
02-20-2009, 08:26 AM
I liked Ben's "Who cares?" line better.

Yeah, that was pretty good, too. Ben's such a weasel, but I like it when he drops the I'm-on-your-side act and just acts like the dick that he is. :D

Frazod
02-20-2009, 08:27 AM
I think that's a definate possibility. I'm not convinced that it was Des specifically that beat the tar out of Ben. But I do think Ben went after Penny. Some are saying perhaps that's too obvious and maybe Ben was going after Sayid in some way. To get him back to the island. But right now I'm thinking he was after Penny. And you're right. If Des was there and able he certainly would have killed Ben. No question.

If Desmond had been the one that beat the crap out of Ben, I think he would have had a bit stronger reaction to him being at the church.

Molitoth
02-20-2009, 08:31 AM
Ben just rules. One of my fav characters on any show.

Red Brooklyn
02-20-2009, 09:30 AM
If Desmond had been the one that beat the crap out of Ben, I think he would have had a bit stronger reaction to him being at the church.
Right. But Des sees Ben at the church before Ben gets his ass kicked.

Frazod
02-20-2009, 09:52 AM
Right. But Des sees Ben at the church before Ben gets his ass kicked.

Shit, you're right.

Duh. :doh!:

Guru
02-20-2009, 04:37 PM
I liked Ben's "Who cares?" line better.Personally, I liked his line "My mother did" considering she died during childbirth.

Guru
02-20-2009, 04:38 PM
Shit, you're right.

Duh. :doh!:Dumbass

Frazod
02-20-2009, 05:51 PM
Dumbass

:moon:

Guru
02-20-2009, 06:18 PM
rochambeau:moon:

Frazod
02-20-2009, 06:22 PM
rochambeau

:$2500:

Guru
02-20-2009, 06:24 PM
:$2500:http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/00smiley.gif

Frazod
02-20-2009, 07:22 PM
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/00smiley.gif

You've forced me to get really nasty

:fart:

Guru
02-20-2009, 07:39 PM
You've forced me to get really nasty

:fart:meh http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/cleaver.gif

Baby Lee
02-21-2009, 06:05 AM
Remember Faraday's announcement of the purpose of the Tempest station?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_cyanidation

AZORChiefFan
02-23-2009, 10:46 PM
I think I may have mentioned this podcast before or maybe someone else in this thread did. I listen to it every week and it's really funny and insightful. http://www.jayandjack.com/

I forgot to mention it's an unofficial Lost podcast. They do 2 podcasts on Lost. 1 Thursday where they recap the last episode. And then another one on Mondays where they recap again going over some things that they or listeners may have noticed. It's also an enhanced podcast so as they are talking about the episode they'll show screencaps and so on.

Bearcat
02-25-2009, 02:02 PM
Haha

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Guru
02-25-2009, 07:56 PM
twist after twist after twist. ugh

Molitoth
02-25-2009, 08:19 PM
WOW JUST WOW on tonights episode. great episode!

Guru
02-25-2009, 08:35 PM
WOW JUST WOW on tonights episode. great episode!Well, 47 minutes of sheer worthlessness followed by 13 minutes of great TV.

arrowheadnation
02-25-2009, 10:05 PM
Ok....here I go...Thoughts on this week's ep.

1. I don't think Ben is "the bad guy." It's pretty obvious to me that during his convo with Locke, Ben realized that he (Locke) was giving up too easy. So rather than wait for him to complete his mission (getting the O6 back) he decided he would handle it himself. You know, to speed up the process. Ben can be a little more convincing than Locke. Notice how fast he got them rounded up?

2. I don't think Locke is alive. I think he's a spirit, allowing the others to see him. I don't think Ben will even flinch when he awakens though, because he already knows how this whole leaving the island and then dying to get back thing works.

3. I'm glad they finally brought back the existence of the 2nd island and didn't just forget about it. The 316 crew is in the hydra station on the 2nd island....aka...fish biscuit island. (the clue is the kayaks, the same ones that Kate/Sawyer/Alex/her boyfriend stole in season 2, and the same one that Sawyer and crew stole a couple episodes ago). The only thing is, who stole the 3rd one. I believe it could very well be Lapidus and Sun.

4. Michael Emerson should win an emmy for his enigmatic portrayal of Benjamin Linus. Man he is a good actor.

As usual...I'll add/make revisions as things come to me.

Chiefnj2
02-26-2009, 08:03 AM
I have mixed feelings on this episode.

I really like getting some character development on Widmore.
I liked Abbadon, but his death reminded me of the tail section members. They start to develop an interesting character and then suddenly they are killed off.
Of course the scene with Ben and Locke was very good.

I didn't like Locke's interaction with any of the survivors. Really lame attempt at convincing them.
I'm not sure I like the two new characters.

Baby Lee
02-26-2009, 10:23 AM
I liked Abbadon, but his death reminded me of the tail section members. They start to develop an interesting character and then suddenly they are killed off.
Well, when that interesting character is Agent Phillip Broyles . . . ;)

Buck
02-26-2009, 11:34 AM
By the way, any of you think that Abbadon is Walt?

The only other person other than Walt to call Locke Mr. Locke is Abbadon.

Plus he says that he helps people get where the need to go, like its some kind of special think he can do. Walt is special...

Baby Lee
02-26-2009, 11:39 AM
By the way, any of you think that Abbadon is Walt?

The only other person other than Walt to call Locke Mr. Locke is Abbadon.

Plus he says that he helps people get where the need to go, like its some kind of special think he can do. Walt is special...

He didn't recognize himself when he was waiting in the car while Locke was talking to himself on the sidewalk.

Buck
02-26-2009, 11:46 AM
He didn't recognize himself when he was waiting in the car while Locke was talking to himself on the sidewalk.

Or he did recognize himself, and he knew that he was going to see himself, but he also knew that he couldn't let Walt or Locke know about it because if he did, he may disrupt the whole time-space continuum. And even though people have seen themselves on the Island, I think off the island is a whole different story.

Bearcat
02-26-2009, 12:38 PM
Well, 47 minutes of sheer worthlessness followed by 13 minutes of great TV.

Kind of what I thought... great season so far, but the episode two weeks ago was a little slow and last night's episode was filler. I hope it picks back up.

keg in kc
02-26-2009, 03:39 PM
Maybe a spoiler, maybe notExclusive: Is 'Lost' Letting Evangeline Lilly Go? (http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2009/02/is-lost-letting-evangeline-lily-go.html)

By Korbi Ghosh

February 26, 08:06 AM

If we're to believe last night's preview of next Wednesday's Lost, it would seem that the long awaited reunion of Sawyer and Kate (also know as "Skate" on these here internets) will soon be upon us. And so, the bitter debate regarding whom Ms. Austen loves more -- him or Jack -- will burn especially bright in the coming week. Will she live happily ever after with the quippy Southern con artist or the stressed out doc? I don't know ... Rumor has it, Kate might not live "ever after" at all.

Solid sources tell me exclusively that Evangeline Lilly is auditioning for pilots ... pilots that are intended to launch this fall. And Ms. Lilly's people apparently told producers she will be available. Say wha--??

Yeah, I can't make sense of it either. The notion that Lost producers would kill off Kate -- or have her disappear in any capacity -- before the series' final season seems preposterous. Still, no story development on this show would completely surprise me, as everything is clearly possible in the land of Lost. And the fact is, Lilly seems to be looking for work.

Now, for all those Island-obsessed, please know this is not a spoiler... just a fellow Lost fan trying to compute what she's seen and heard.

Buck
02-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Maybe a spoiler, maybe notExclusive: Is 'Lost' Letting Evangeline Lilly Go? (http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2009/02/is-lost-letting-evangeline-lily-go.html)

By Korbi Ghosh

February 26, 08:06 AM

If we're to believe last night's preview of next Wednesday's Lost, it would seem that the long awaited reunion of Sawyer and Kate (also know as "Skate" on these here internets) will soon be upon us. And so, the bitter debate regarding whom Ms. Austen loves more -- him or Jack -- will burn especially bright in the coming week. Will she live happily ever after with the quippy Southern con artist or the stressed out doc? I don't know ... Rumor has it, Kate might not live "ever after" at all.

Solid sources tell me exclusively that Evangeline Lilly is auditioning for pilots ... pilots that are intended to launch this fall. And Ms. Lilly's people apparently told producers she will be available. Say wha--??

Yeah, I can't make sense of it either. The notion that Lost producers would kill off Kate -- or have her disappear in any capacity -- before the series' final season seems preposterous. Still, no story development on this show would completely surprise me, as everything is clearly possible in the land of Lost. And the fact is, Lilly seems to be looking for work.

Now, for all those Island-obsessed, please know this is not a spoiler... just a fellow Lost fan trying to compute what she's seen and heard.
Good Riddance....Some more Eye Candy would be nice though.

keg in kc
02-26-2009, 03:51 PM
The love-triangle killed it for me. If she'd stayed with jack, it would've been great. The second they brought sawyer into it, I lost pretty much all interest in her.

Buck
02-26-2009, 03:57 PM
The love-triangle killed it for me. If she'd stayed with jack, it would've been great. The second they brought sawyer into it, I lost pretty much all interest in her.

Its not that I don't like the idea of what her character does, I just think she is a very poor actor, probably the weakest on the show.

rad
02-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Its not that I don't like the idea of what her character does, I just think she is a very poor actor, probably the weakest on the show.

You guys are gay...

rad
02-26-2009, 05:33 PM
Just kidding!!!

Miles
02-26-2009, 05:57 PM
Maybe a spoiler, maybe notExclusive: Is 'Lost' Letting Evangeline Lilly Go? (http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2009/02/is-lost-letting-evangeline-lily-go.html)

By Korbi Ghosh

February 26, 08:06 AM

If we're to believe last night's preview of next Wednesday's Lost, it would seem that the long awaited reunion of Sawyer and Kate (also know as "Skate" on these here internets) will soon be upon us. And so, the bitter debate regarding whom Ms. Austen loves more -- him or Jack -- will burn especially bright in the coming week. Will she live happily ever after with the quippy Southern con artist or the stressed out doc? I don't know ... Rumor has it, Kate might not live "ever after" at all.

Solid sources tell me exclusively that Evangeline Lilly is auditioning for pilots ... pilots that are intended to launch this fall. And Ms. Lilly's people apparently told producers she will be available. Say wha--??

Yeah, I can't make sense of it either. The notion that Lost producers would kill off Kate -- or have her disappear in any capacity -- before the series' final season seems preposterous. Still, no story development on this show would completely surprise me, as everything is clearly possible in the land of Lost. And the fact is, Lilly seems to be looking for work.

Now, for all those Island-obsessed, please know this is not a spoiler... just a fellow Lost fan trying to compute what she's seen and heard.

She get a DWI or something?

Baby Lee
02-27-2009, 05:50 AM
No need to spoiler any further, as she's under Contract to the end of the show's run

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/02/is-evangeline-l.html

BigRedChief
02-27-2009, 07:54 AM
No need to spoiler any further, as she's under Contract to the end of the show's run

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/02/is-evangeline-l.html
I knew that was BS. You can endanger Jack, Freckles and Sawyer but you can't kill them. That would be suicide.
ummmm Freckles
http://www.lostcrazy.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/evangeline-lilly-gg-05.jpg

Chiefnj2
02-27-2009, 09:35 AM
Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I think the whole love triangle, or is it now a square, with Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Juliette is lame as hell and ruins the show.

Molitoth
02-27-2009, 09:59 AM
Kate is hot IRL, but on the show they do not really make her attractive, for apparent reasons.... (they are stuck on an island).

tomahawk kid
02-27-2009, 10:04 AM
I knew that was BS. You can endanger Jack, Freckles and Sawyer but you can't kill them. That would be suicide.
ummmm Freckles
http://www.lostcrazy.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/evangeline-lilly-gg-05.jpg

Noticed the hand rock.

Did she end up marrying Charlie the Hobbit?

Guru
02-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Kate is hot IRL, but on the show they do not really make her attractive, for apparent reasons.... (they are stuck on an island).so you missed all the eps where she was back home?

arrowheadnation
03-04-2009, 09:58 PM
Ok...here are my thoughts on this episode so far....

1. Notice they made sure to state numerous times that Horace was "blowing trees out of the ground." I may be over-analyzing here, but Horace builds a cabin for someone pretty "special" and in his drunken state, he may have gotten a visit from said "special" person telling him to get started on his cabin........the "special" person is Jacob BTW.

2. That cross that Amy took off of Paul's body was an Egyptian ankh. It stands for eternal life.

3. I'd bet money that statue is Anubis, Egyptian god of death/the underworld (has 4 toes on his hind legs). We are getting a LOT of Egyptian references here lately. The heiroglyphs, the statue, the ankh, Hurley's drawings... Can I get a toe count please?

4. Some things are messed up for me. Amy was married to Paul (the guy that the two others shot when Sawyer and crew walked up on them). Then she married Horace. But when they met with Ben's family in Oregon, Horace was married to Olivia. I dunno. I do know that Cuse and Lindelof said that Horace and Olivia are "very important" to the end game.

5. I find the struggle between the "others" and the Dharma Initiative to be pretty interesting. I can't wait til the next ep. so they can start revealing the things that Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have learned since being assimilated into the Dharma way of life.

As always....I'll add stuff as I think about it....

Guru
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
I need to rewatch tonights ep. I was distracted with the kids during it.

redngold85
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
Haha

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I've seen this on TV and didn't think a thing about it!

haha!!!!!

redngold85
03-04-2009, 11:10 PM
I thought tonight was great...the whole time changes are confusing me though...3 years earlier/later etc. etc.

I'm bummed they're taking a week off next week...

Third Eye
03-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Ok...here are my thoughts on this episode so far....

1. Notice they made sure to state numerous times that Horace was "blowing trees out of the ground." I may be over-analyzing here, but Horace builds a cabin for someone pretty "special" and in his drunken state, he may have gotten a visit from said "special" person telling him to get started on his cabin........the "special" person is Jacob BTW.

2. That cross that Amy took off of Paul's body was an Egyptian ankh. It stands for eternal life.

3. I'd bet money that statue is Anubis, Egyptian god of death/the underworld (has 4 toes on his hind legs). We are getting a LOT of Egyptian references here lately. The heiroglyphs, the statue, the ankh, Hurley's drawings... Can I get a toe count please?

4. Some things are messed up for me. Amy was married to Paul (the guy that the two others shot when Sawyer and crew walked up on them). Then she married Horace. But when they met with Ben's family in Oregon, Horace was married to Olivia. I dunno. I do know that Cuse and Lindelof said that Horace and Olivia are "very important" to the end game.

5. I find the struggle between the "others" and the Dharma Initiative to be pretty interesting. I can't wait til the next ep. so they can start revealing the things that Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have learned since being assimilated into the Dharma way of life.

As always....I'll add stuff as I think about it....

That was definitely my first thought.

redngold85
03-04-2009, 11:19 PM
That was definitely my first thought.

go Tool.....I'm hoping they end up playing Lollapalooza.....

I digress

Guru
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
I thought tonight was great...the whole time changes are confusing me though...3 years earlier/later etc. etc.

I'm bummed they're taking a week off next week... Yeah, 3 years ago and 30 years ago. :doh!:

Buck
03-04-2009, 11:51 PM
Yeah I like the new show format tonight. First time they have done it like that I think.

Really good freakin' episode.

Not the most action packed at all, but still a ton of shocking stuff.

Great fuckin' show man.

Silock
03-05-2009, 01:52 AM
I'M SO FUCKING LOST.

I'm going to have to watch it from Season 1 episode 1. I'm so fucking confused.

Guru
03-05-2009, 03:36 AM
I'M SO ****ING LOST.

I'm going to have to watch it from Season 1 episode 1. I'm so ****ing confused.Tonights ep actually has me wanting to go back to the beginning and watch them all just to really piece it together. I was planning on doing that after the show wrapped though.

BigRedChief
03-05-2009, 06:56 AM
They had better not turn this into sawyer/juliet/jin etc against hurley/jack etc. That teaser was saying something about loyalties etc.

If an episode doesn't have Ben or Locke in it then its a sub par one in my opinion. They are the keys to the story arc so if they are not in the story its a filler to the plot lines and charector development. Just look at what we learned last week? Look at what we learned this week. Big difference.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 07:00 AM
i wonderif amy's baby ends up being jacob, if so maybe thats why the "others" overrun the dahrma guys, to take the baby born on the island

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:08 AM
They had better not turn this into sawyer/juliet/jin etc against hurley/jack etc. That teaser was saying something about loyalties etc.

If an episode doesn't have Ben or Locke in it then its a sub par one in my opinion. They are the keys to the story arc so if they are not in the story its a filler to the plot lines and charector development. Just look at what we learned last week? Look at what we learned this week. Big difference.

It looked like Sayid was against Sawyer at least from what I could gather.

On another note, I wonder if they are going to turn the whole Island into that its some "Pharoh's Tomb" and thats how it got its magical qualities....

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 07:11 AM
It looked like Sayid was against Sawyer at least from what I could gather.
On another note, I wonder if they are going to turn the whole Island into that its some "Pharoh's Tomb" and thats how it got its magical qualities....

looked like the dahrma guys wanted sawyer to shoot sayid, sawyer IMO will figure out a way around it, and if sawyer is any example they couldnt shoot sayid anyway.(wasnt that the point with the "other" shooting at sawyer?) and about the pharoh's tomb, maybe that has something to do with the temple that the smoke monster lives under

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:20 AM
Good Points.

Also it was interesting to see Charlotte as a child...hopefully she still has a role to play.

I am wondering if Daniel grew up on the Island as well, maybe we'll see the young Daniel at some point. I think that Pierre Chang's son is Miles.

arrowheadnation
03-05-2009, 07:30 AM
I got a pretty heavy theory here. Ancient Egyptians always wore eyeliner. Any chance Richard Alpert could be deemed by the show as "the last Pharoh?"

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:37 AM
I got a pretty heavy theory here. Ancient Egyptians always wore eyeliner. Any chance Richard Alpert could be deemed by the show as "the last Pharoh?"

Thats ****in Genius.

I was just thinking about it a little bit too and came in here to post something.

Jacob was the Pharoh that was buried in the temple and Richard Alpert is his eternal protector?

I forgot to add that the Islands "magical" qualities are making Jacob "alive" just like Charlie/Christian etc.

The Rick
03-05-2009, 08:19 AM
I just can't explain this:

When does Michelle Dessler get off the island and go to work for CTU?

:)

Buck
03-05-2009, 08:26 AM
I just can't explain this:

When does Michelle Dessler get off the island and go to work for CTU?

:)

That was bugging me so much. I recognized that chick from somewhere and you just answered it.

I only watched the first season of 24, but I remember her now.

LOL

Chiefnj2
03-05-2009, 09:15 AM
Alpert visited Locke as a child right? He seemed to know more during that visit than he does on the island in the late 70's last night.

Buck
03-05-2009, 09:27 AM
Alpert visited Locke as a child right? He seemed to know more during that visit than he does on the island in the late 70's last night.

Lets establish a Richard Alpert Timeline.


Early 1950's - Locke Visits Richard Alpert on Island
Mid 1950's - Richard Alpert visits hospital where Locke was born
Late 1950's or Early 60's - Alpert Visits Locke at his Foster Home

Early 70's - Sawyer meets Alpert and lets him know he killed his men
Mid 70's - Alpert meets Kid Benjamin Linus in the forest

Early 2000's - Alpert recruits Juliet off Island
Mid 2000's - Where main storyline takes place....also when Alpert gives Locke the compass to hand back to him when they meet the next time.

And FWIW, it had been over 20 years since he met the Kid Locke, so maybe he had forgotten all the details over that time.

Baby Lee
03-05-2009, 09:33 AM
Kid Locke
Baristerabarrrrr!!!!

tymania
03-05-2009, 09:40 AM
How do you think they get back to 'real' time, now that everyone is on the island. Obviously Sawyer Jack and everybody are not there when ben arrives to the island as a kid with his dad. Do you think they are just somewhere else on the island when Kid ben comes, or they figure out a way to get back to 'present' time as they know it?

Fish
03-05-2009, 09:44 AM
I got a pretty heavy theory here. Ancient Egyptians always wore eyeliner. Any chance Richard Alpert could be deemed by the show as "the last Pharoh?"

I thought the same thing when they mentioned the eyeliner... Alpert is an immortal pharaoh...

Buck
03-05-2009, 09:47 AM
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z14/MoZingo_red/0f5c84bb9e339bb1201cde17f08e41cc.jpg

http://www.lostisagame.com/photos/4_toes.jpe

ANUBIS
http://www.linsdomain.com/gods&goddesses/pictures/relief-anubis.jpg

I'm not sure which Egyptian God this is, but he looks more like the staue than Anubis I think. Notice the hat on the top statue, Anubis doesn't wear one in any of the pics I can find.
http://beyondtheblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/egyptian-god.jpg

tymania
03-05-2009, 09:52 AM
The statue looks like it is holding something in its right hand...maybe something similar to the symbol in the hand on the last pic of your post? That symbol was on the necklace that Amy had from her husband...it must have some kind of importance?

Buck
03-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Heres my updated Alpert timeline

Im getting help from Lostpedia

1954 - Locke Visits Richard Alpert on Island and returns the compass to hime
1956 - Richard Alpert visits hospital where Locke was born

1961 - Alpert Visits Locke at his Foster Home

1972- Alpert (unseen) attempts to bring teen Locke to camp ("Cabin Fever")

Early 70's - Sawyer meets Alpert and lets him know he killed his men
Mid 70's - Alpert meets Kid Benjamin Linus in the forest

Early 2000's - Alpert recruits Juliet off Island

2004 - Alpert gives Locke Sawyer's file
2005 - Alpert gives compass to Locke

tymania
03-05-2009, 10:09 AM
Do you think Locke will be the next Alpert? It seems to me that is kind of how it is being setup, is Locke immortal? Survived a fall from being thrown out a window by his dad. Survived Ben shooting him, comes back to life after ben kills him in the real world. He gets hurt like every other episode, and nothing seems to shake him up, and he heals like the freakin wolverine. Maybe that is why everyone says he is so special, and Locke just hasnt realized it yet.

tymania
03-05-2009, 10:11 AM
on another thought, do we know for sure who Locke's mom and dad are yet?? If not maybe he is Amy's baby? The only baby to be born on the island, maybe that could be why he is so special?

Baby Lee
03-05-2009, 10:12 AM
on another thought, do we know for sure who Locke's mom and dad are yet?? If not maybe he is Amy's baby? The only baby to be born on the island, maybe that could be why he is so special?

His mom was a teenager, I think her dad was an older guy, maybe one of teachers or a boss. Remember when Alpert came to his birth?

BigRedChief
03-05-2009, 10:14 AM
yep, Albert is an ancient protector of the egyptian and the ghost monster is the egyptian or albert in smoke form to protect the island?

Fish
03-05-2009, 10:18 AM
ANUBIS


I'm not sure which Egyptian God this is, but he looks more like the staue than Anubis I think. Notice the hat on the top statue, Anubis doesn't wear one in any of the pics I can find.
http://beyondtheblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/egyptian-god.jpg

That's the Egyptian god Horus.

Strangely similar to Horace?? Surely not...

tymania
03-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Yea i do now that you say that, Amy's baby i think will be someone that we already know...i dont know who though, i guess for all we know it could be the one they call 'Jacob'

Buck
03-05-2009, 10:27 AM
That's the Egyptian god Horus.

Thanks. Per Wikipedia:

Horus is a god of the Ancient Egyptian religion, most commonly known by the Greek version Horus, of the Egyptian Heru/Har. Horus was an ancient and important deity. He was also the son of Isis and Osiris. Some details of the character are changed or intermixed with other characters throughout the different dynasties and Egyptian cults and religions.

The Eye of Horus became an important Egyptian symbol of power. Horus had a man's body and a falcon's head. Horus fought with Seth for the throne of Egypt. In this battle one of his eyes was injured and later it was healed by Hathor. This healing of the eye became a symbol of renewal. Horus united Egypt and bestowed divinity upon the pharaohs who were viewed as incarnations of Horus in life.

EYE OF HORUS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Eye_of_Horus_bw.svg/200px-Eye_of_Horus_bw.svg.png

Horus was told by his mother, Isis, to protect the people of Egypt from Set, the god of the desert, storms and chaos.

As Horus was the son of Osiris, and god of the sky, he became closely associated with the Pharaoh of Lower Egypt (where Horus was worshipped), and became their patron. The association with the Pharaoh brought with it the idea that he was the son of Isis, in her original form, who was regarded as a deification of the Queen.

Since Horus was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the sun and moon. It became said that the sun was his right eye and the moon his left, and that they traversed the sky when he, a falcon, flew across it. Thus he became known as Harmerty - Horus of two eyes. Later, the reason that the moon was not as bright as the sun was explained by a tale, known as the contestings of Horus and Set, originating as a metaphor for the conquest of Upper Egypt by Lower Egypt in about 3000 BC. In this tale, it was said that Set, the patron of Upper Egypt, and Horus, the patron of Lower Egypt, had battled for Egypt brutally, with neither side victorious, until eventually the gods sided with Horus.

Horus was also said to be a war god and a hunter's god; since he was associated with the falcon. Thus he became a symbol of majesty and power as well as the model of the pharaohs.[6] The pharaohs were said to be Horus in human form.


Anyways theres a lot in there that I'm trying to connect to the Lost universe....

tymania
03-05-2009, 10:33 AM
So maybe Alpert is Horus in human form? That is an interesting thought.....

On another note...When Locke and Ben left the island and ended up in the desert, were they in Egypt? That would be an interesting connection if it was

Baby Lee
03-05-2009, 10:42 AM
So maybe Alpert is Horus in human form? That is an interesting thought.....

On another note...When Locke and Ben left the island and ended up in the desert, were they in Egypt? That would be an interesting connection if it was

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/images/time/africa/tunisia.jpg

Fish
03-05-2009, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't say for certain that the statue in Lost is indeed Horus though. If we could see the statue's face it would be obvious. But there are quite a few Egyptian deities that carried an ankh and had something on their head. And we can't quite see what's in the Lost statue's left hand....

Baby Lee
03-05-2009, 10:46 AM
Yea i do now that you say that, Amy's baby i think will be someone that we already know...i dont know who though, i guess for all we know it could be the one they call 'Jacob'

Hate to keep doing this, but Alpert knew who Jacob was when talking about him with Locke in 1954.

tymania
03-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Hate to keep doing this, but Alpert knew who Jacob was when talking about him with Locke in 1954.

This is true...So maybe Jacob is out, however, i still do think her baby is someone that plays some what of a significant role on the island, maybe not, maybe the baby is pointless...i doubt it though

Buck
03-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Hate to keep doing this, but Alpert knew who Jacob was when talking about him with Locke in 1954.

The baby isn't Jacob.

I'm pretty sure of that. Maybe its someone we already know though...Lets see it was 1974. That would put them at 34 years old.

The baby is a boy. Also he is Caucasian.

The only Main Character that I can think of that would possibly fit this description is Desmond or Daniel Faraday...

Baby Lee
03-05-2009, 10:55 AM
It's all very confusing, because Jacob is in the cabin . . . that was built by Horace for Olivia [by blowing up trees???] . . . Only Olivia is nowhere to be seen and Amy is having Horace's baby. And Widmore spent 30 years on the island and Ben grew up there, with none of the O5 running into them in the past three years of their working their way into Dharma society. And how the heck does the important baby of Amy's survive Ben's purge to become so important?

buddha
03-05-2009, 11:01 AM
I can only imagine what the indigenous people on the island would have been like at the time the statue was erected. I'm glad the show's producers didn't let the statue mystery die.

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:02 AM
Maybe the 'others' or 'hostiles'(i believe that is what they call them in the 70's) take the baby, to be raised by them. It is very confusing, lots of questions to be answered. Every week questions get answered and twice as many question pop up.

Chiefnj2
03-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Part of me thinks that the "island" and "Jacob" are two different battling entities.

The "island" wants to live in peace and harmony and heal. It keeps drawing in good people to help it. "Jacob" wants to use people to control the "island". At one point the "island" allowed births. After the purge the "island" got mad and was able to kill offspring so that the bad people would die out. The "island" doesn't like Ben Linus, but somehow "Jacob" and Ben were able to make a connection.

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:15 AM
I just mindfucked myself.

It is 1974 when Sawyer shows up to the DHARMA Camp for the first time.

Now read this

Mid 70's - Alpert meets Kid Benjamin Linus in the forest (Ben was Born in the early 60's, Ben was 11 when he came to the Island. My gut tells me this happened in 1973 but could this have happened BEFORE Sawyer meeting Alpert? I.E. is Kid Ben in the DHARMA camp already when Sawyer's group shows up?)

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:17 AM
The baby isn't Jacob.

I'm pretty sure of that. Maybe its someone we already know though...Lets see it was 1974. That would put them at 34 years old.

The baby is a boy. Also he is Caucasian.

The only Main Character that I can think of that would possibly fit this description is Desmond or Daniel Faraday...

isnt Eloise Daniel's mother?? Desmond is a good guess though, we havent seen too much of his family in his back stories and what not. When is he gonna come back to the island? maybe he will be the final piece in order for everyone to get back to 'real' time on the island...

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Now read this

Mid 70's - Alpert meets Kid Benjamin Linus in the forest (Ben was Born in the early 60's, Ben was 11 when he came to the Island. My gut tells me this happened in 1973 but could this have happened BEFORE Sawyer meeting Alpert? I.E. is Kid Ben in the DHARMA camp already when Sawyer's group shows up?)

He could already be there i suppose, was horace the 'leader' of the dharma camp when Ben arrived as a kid?

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:22 AM
who meant Ben and his Father on the Dock when they first arrived? was it horace?

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:24 AM
He could already be there i suppose, was horace the 'leader' of the dharma camp when Ben arrived as a kid?

who meant Ben and his Father on the Dock when they first arrived? was it horace?

Yes it was Horace. I didn't realize back then that he was the leader of DHARMA though.

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:25 AM
isnt Eloise Daniel's mother?? Desmond is a good guess though, we havent seen too much of his family in his back stories and what not. When is he gonna come back to the island? maybe he will be the final piece in order for everyone to get back to 'real' time on the island...

Eloise is Daniel's Mother, but nothing has been proven as to her being his Biological Mother.

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2009, 11:28 AM
I think the "Island" is Atlantis, which is why it's never been found.

It moves through time.

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:38 AM
Eloise is Daniel's Mother, but nothing has been proven as to her being his Biological Mother.

Who knows, i wouldnt put anything passed this show.... The whole time travel stuff i am glad it is supposedly over, that was getting kinda crazy and confusing. Made for good TV though, I am ready for solid answers on what is going on though...I heard the show might only run one more season?? I just hope they give us some closure before it is all said and done

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2009, 11:40 AM
LOST ends May 2010.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 11:40 AM
The baby isn't Jacob.

I'm pretty sure of that. Maybe its someone we already know though...Lets see it was 1974. That would put them at 34 years old.

The baby is a boy. Also he is Caucasian.

The only Main Character that I can think of that would possibly fit this description is Desmond or Daniel Faraday...

Sawyer?

rad
03-05-2009, 11:40 AM
The baby isn't Jacob.

I'm pretty sure of that. Maybe its someone we already know though...Lets see it was 1974. That would put them at 34 years old.

The baby is a boy. Also he is Caucasian.

The only Main Character that I can think of that would possibly fit this description is Desmond or Daniel Faraday...

Actually, I think the baby is born in 1977, 3 years after Sawyer and Co. stumble into Dharma camp. But the age is still close, 30 or 31........Maybe Desmond? Sawyer?

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:43 AM
Actually, I think the baby is born in 1977, 3 years after Sawyer and Co. stumble into Dharma camp. But the age is still close, 30 or 31........Maybe Desmond? Sawyer?

I was thinking sawyer at first too...But remember when he was younger his dad shot his mom and then shot himself all while he was under his bed? That doesnt necessarily mean that they are his biological parents, but i think it is enough proof to count sawyer out as being the baby

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 11:44 AM
Actually, I think the baby is born in 1977, 3 years after Sawyer and Co. stumble into Dharma camp. But the age is still close, 30 or 31........Maybe Desmond? Sawyer?

and if it IS sawyer he saved his own life(and amy's his mother) ooooohhhhh shit, thats why horace and amy arent together somehow maybe she gets off the island and remarries. what was sawyer's dads name?

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:44 AM
Here is a shot in the dark at who the baby might be....ETHAN?!?

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 11:45 AM
I was thinking sawyer at first too...But remember when he was younger his dad shot his mom and then shot himself all while he was under his bed? That doesnt necessarily mean that they are his biological parents, but i think it is enough proof to count sawyer out as being the baby

how do you know his mom wasnt amy? maybe she escaped the island before the "purge"

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Actually, I think the baby is born in 1977, 3 years after Sawyer and Co. stumble into Dharma camp. But the age is still close, 30 or 31........Maybe Desmond? Sawyer?

Good Point. I figured out that If Desmond was 18 when he was in Boot Camp in 1996, he would be 31.

I still think it could be Faraday or maybe even Charlie.

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Sawyer?

Sawyer is 39 Years old.

tymania
03-05-2009, 11:47 AM
how do you know his mom wasnt amy? maybe she escaped the island before the "purge"

never thought of it that way, good point

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:49 AM
how do you know his mom wasnt amy? maybe she escaped the island before the "purge"

never thought of it that way, good point

Yeah, but he would have recognized his own Mother.

Not only that, but hes just too old.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah, but he would have recognized his own Mother.

Not only that, but hes just too old.

yeah probably. i cant believe he's older than desmond though(i'm not doubting you here just seems odd) but it WAS funny that i cant remember them ever showing her face earlier

Buck
03-05-2009, 11:53 AM
yeah probably. i cant believe he's older than desmond though(i'm not doubting you here just seems odd) but it WAS funny that i cant remember them ever showing her face earlier

Yeah, they didn't really cast everyone for the right ages...

Like Sun's character is supposed to be 24, but the Actress is in her 30s...

Buck
03-05-2009, 12:15 PM
One thing that will piss me off to no end is if There is a Love "Square" between Sawyer/Juliet/Jack/Kate

tymania
03-05-2009, 12:17 PM
Oh i cant stand the love square they have going on...you could see it coming from a mile away too....next season it will be Jack and Sawyer making googly eyes at eachother! haha

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 12:24 PM
One thing that will piss me off to no end is if There is a Love "Square" between Sawyer/Juliet/Jack/Kate

WELL get ready i see it happening

Third Eye
03-05-2009, 03:12 PM
I think the "Island" is Atlantis, which is why it's never been found.

It moves through time.

Finally gave up the Axis Mundi?

A thought: Anubis was originally the Egyptian god of the underworld. One of the long running theories concerning the island is that it is hell or something such (insert various terms and definitions for the afterlife). In addition to Anubis, many people have speculated that the smoke monster is Cerberus, the guard of Hades in Greek mythology. Cerberus had three heads and if you check out pics of the smoke monster, it looks like there are always 3 distinct parts to it. It was also explicitly shown separating into 3 parts in one particular ep. that I don't recall. Additionally, the comment Locke's dad makes when he is being held on the island, "Don't you know where you are," certainly left you with the impression that at the very least he thought he was in hell. I'm really starting to lean this way. Could just be another red herring though.

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2009, 03:33 PM
Finally gave up the Axis Mundi?



At this point, I'm completely stumped.

BigRedChief
03-05-2009, 03:36 PM
One thing that will piss me off to no end is if There is a Love "Square" between Sawyer/Juliet/Jack/Kate
Wellll maybe they should just be swingers then? I'd pay good money to see Freckles in some pron.:drool:

Buck
03-05-2009, 04:09 PM
Wellll maybe they should just be swingers then? I'd pay good money to see Freckles in some pron.:drool:

I would just download the torrent.

redngold85
03-05-2009, 05:56 PM
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z14/MoZingo_red/0f5c84bb9e339bb1201cde17f08e41cc.jpg

http://www.lostisagame.com/photos/4_toes.jpe

ANUBIS
http://www.linsdomain.com/gods&goddesses/pictures/relief-anubis.jpg

I'm not sure which Egyptian God this is, but he looks more like the staue than Anubis I think. Notice the hat on the top statue, Anubis doesn't wear one in any of the pics I can find.
http://beyondtheblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/egyptian-god.jpg

What ep is that top picture from? I can't place it.....

Buck
03-05-2009, 06:03 PM
What ep is that top picture from? I can't place it.....

Um, did you watch last night? LOL.

Third Eye
03-05-2009, 06:04 PM
What ep is that top picture from? I can't place it.....

This week's.

redngold85
03-05-2009, 06:19 PM
Really? Wow, I don't know how I missed that...I did miss the first couple minites of the show, so maybe that's how.....I'll have to go back and watch that again.....

chiefscafan
03-05-2009, 06:28 PM
I think the statue could be osiris (sp?)


the egyptian god of the underworld

Buck
03-05-2009, 06:33 PM
Really? Wow, I don't know how I missed that...I did miss the first couple minites of the show, so maybe that's how.....I'll have to go back and watch that again.....

It happened no more than 30 seconds after "Previously on Lost" ended.

chiefscafan
03-05-2009, 06:37 PM
That was a crazy episode i guess they are there in 1977. But my question when does ben trick all of the project members and has them gassed? the war is coming still stumps me who is in this war?

Buck
03-05-2009, 06:42 PM
I read an interesting Theory today.

Remember back in the day when the Others were discussing how Ben thinks Juliet is his because she looks the same as "her"?

Well Ben is about to show up on the island, or already is there and now that Juliet is part of the DHARMA initiative, Kid Ben is going to see her, and thats how hes going to get his infatuation w/ Juliet.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 07:06 PM
I read an interesting Theory today.

Remember back in the day when the Others were discussing how Ben thinks Juliet is his because she looks the same as "her"?

Well Ben is about to show up on the island, or already is there and now that Juliet is part of the DHARMA initiative, Kid Ben is going to see her, and thats how hes going to get his infatuation w/ Juliet.

good one

keg in kc
03-05-2009, 07:15 PM
The idea of all of them in 1977 fascinates me.

I'm not sure what the statue is, but that fascinates me too. I would say Osiris, because it looks like it's holding a crook and flail, but it doesn't appear to have an atef on its head.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 07:18 PM
one thing, what year was it when they saw the statue? if it was 1974 or 1977 what heppened to it?

keg in kc
03-05-2009, 07:41 PM
Good question.

The more I think about it, the more I doubt it's an egyptian statue, although we have seen hieroglyphs on the island. It just seems too obvious. I wonder if it's going to end up being sumerian or babylonian or something else.

Along that vein, I think Atlantis would be too easy (although what we've seen of the island wouldn't seem to fit geographical descriptions of it). Wonder if it's Lemuria or Mu.

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:46 PM
one thing, what year was it when they saw the statue? if it was 1974 or 1977 what heppened to it?

When they saw the statue i would think it was before 1954. They had just been in 1954 when the flash went off then the statue was all of the sudden there. Then it flashed again and they were in 1974.

keg in kc
03-05-2009, 07:47 PM
It could have been 1954 BC for all we know.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2009, 07:50 PM
When they saw the statue i would think it was before 1954. They had just been in 1954 when the flash went off then the statue was all of the sudden there. Then it flashed again and they were in 1974.

WELL i still wonder what happened to it, the foot thats left doesnt look as though it's in too bad of shape

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:51 PM
I'm wondering both when and how the statue came down.

My guess is target practice.

Guru
03-05-2009, 07:55 PM
Geez guys. Just watch the show and quit thinking so damned hard. heh

Buck
03-05-2009, 07:56 PM
Geez guys. Just watch the show and quit thinking so damned hard. heh

Don't make me shoot you with a flaming arrow.

Guru
03-05-2009, 07:58 PM
Don't make me shoot you with a flaming arrow.ROFL

Just sayin'.

I gave up trying to figure out where they were going and am just trying to enjoy the ride now.

Frazod
03-05-2009, 08:00 PM
Just watched last night's episode.

I'm thoroughly confused, but damn, that was great.

Buck
03-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Just watched last night's episode.

I'm thoroughly confused, but damn, that was great.

I think its my favorite episode of the season.

rad
03-05-2009, 10:29 PM
When they saw the statue i would think it was before 1954. They had just been in 1954 when the flash went off then the statue was all of the sudden there. Then it flashed again and they were in 1974.

It could have been anytime before '54........remember, the well was not even there.......then after the flash to '74, the well was there and filled in.

tymania
03-06-2009, 06:18 AM
This show is getting way deeper than i ever imagined. Remember watching the first season? did you think the show was going to go in this crazy direction? I sure didn't, but i love it! One of the best shows out there, thats not an HBO original.

Mr. Plow
03-06-2009, 07:27 AM
Tonights ep actually has me wanting to go back to the beginning and watch them all just to really piece it together. I was planning on doing that after the show wrapped though.

This has been my thought for about 6 months. Let the show run its course while I watching. Then, when I can buy every damn season at once, I'm going to watch them straight the fuck through so that I can catch all this stuff.

I've said this before, but you guys are the ones that keep me informed of what is going on in the show. You guys notice shit - and then remember it's significance when I think it means nothing. Thanks again everyone.

Guru
03-06-2009, 11:06 PM
This has been my thought for about 6 months. Let the show run its course while I watching. Then, when I can buy every damn season at once, I'm going to watch them straight the **** through so that I can catch all this stuff.

I've said this before, but you guys are the ones that keep me informed of what is going on in the show. You guys notice shit - and then remember it's significance when I think it means nothing. Thanks again everyone.Heh, don't thank me though. I miss more than my fair share as well. :deevee::)

Thats why I stopped trying to figure all this crap out and am only watching for the entertainment value now.

Buck
03-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Hey guys, I couldn't quit the Media Center....so I got a name change and I'll be posting solely in this forum.

Adept Havelock
03-07-2009, 12:29 PM
Hey guys, I couldn't quit the Media Center....so I got a name change and I'll be posting solely in this forum.

LMAO

Beedeebeedeebeedee...good to see you decided to stick around, Buck.

Guru
03-07-2009, 02:32 PM
Hey guys, I couldn't quit the Media Center....so I got a name change and I'll be posting solely in this forum.Bucker.

JASONSAUTO
03-07-2009, 03:02 PM
Hey guys, I couldn't quit the Media Center....so I got a name change and I'll be posting solely in this forum.

damn what did i miss buck?

Buck
03-07-2009, 03:50 PM
damn what did i miss buck?

Someone pissed me off and then I started posting things that made me angry and I didn't like what I was saying. I decided to lay back for a while, but the Media Center is like a whole different monster. I couldn't quit posting here.

Guru
03-07-2009, 04:26 PM
Someone pissed me off and then I started posting things that made me angry and I didn't like what I was saying. I decided to lay back for a while, but the Media Center is like a whole different monster. I couldn't quit posting here.I can't remember the last time I saw you post outside of here. heh

Buck
03-07-2009, 04:28 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw you post outside of here. heh

I wish there was some way to see how many posts I have in here vs. the Lounge.

I'm sure its at least a 5 to 1 ratio for the lounge, but It'd be cool to see.

Guru
03-07-2009, 04:49 PM
I wish there was some way to see how many posts I have in here vs. the Lounge.

I'm sure its at least a 5 to 1 ratio for the lounge, but It'd be cool to see.I bet Face or Morph could help you with that.

redngold85
03-08-2009, 10:33 PM
do you guys think that the scene where Faraday sees little-Charlotte in the red dress is any sort of reference to Schindler's List? I found this online regarding the red dress girl in Schindler's List:

"The little girl appears three times in the film: once at the beginning of the film, bringing her belongings into the ghetto with her family, once during the liquidation of the ghetto, and once during the disinternment and burning of the Jews killed at Plaszow. Schindler noticed her during the liquidation scene and was horrified by the way the Germans completely ignored her and callously murdered and destroyed other human lives without any regard for this innocent child. It was one of the turning points in his life; after that he began to realize he could no longer turn a blind eye to the monstrous evils of the Nazi party, and began to take a more active role in protecting and rescuing Jews."

So maybe Faraday seeing Charlotte is supposed to be something along these lines?...maybe now he'll be going out of his was to protect someone on the island?

just speculating

Buck
03-08-2009, 10:35 PM
Lost season 1 and 2 coming to Blu-Ray June 16

BigRedChief
03-09-2009, 11:11 AM
Someone pissed me off and then I started posting things that made me angry and I didn't like what I was saying. I decided to lay back for a while, but the Media Center is like a whole different monster. I couldn't quit posting here.
Who were you before?

Buck
03-09-2009, 11:29 AM
Who were you before?

BuckinKaeding

Chiefnj2
03-09-2009, 11:41 AM
There's a good post over at Dark UFO by Erica that the statue wasn't Anubis or Osiris, but the Egyptian fertility goddess. Nice find by the gal and she presents a pretty strong argument (the god has 4 toes, where a little hat, and the whole fertility issues on the island).

keg in kc
03-09-2009, 11:50 AM
I'd thought of that, too, but Isis is usually shown with a headdress.

Buck
03-09-2009, 12:03 PM
There's a good post over at Dark UFO by Erica that the statue wasn't Anubis or Osiris, but the Egyptian fertility goddess. Nice find by the gal and she presents a pretty strong argument (the god has 4 toes, where a little hat, and the whole fertility issues on the island).

Oooh, thats good.

Im on that boat now.

Chiefnj2
03-09-2009, 12:17 PM
I'd thought of that, too, but Isis is usually shown with a headdress.

Taweret.

keg in kc
03-09-2009, 12:22 PM
Taweret.Interesting. I'm not familiar with her, but it seems to fit, although it's hard to tell from the backside.She was depicted as a combination of a crocodile, a pregnant hippopotamus standing on her hind legs with large breasts and a lion. Unlike the composite demoness Ammut, her head and body were that of the hippo, her paws were that of the lion, and her back was the back of a crocodile. All of these animals were man killers, and as such she was a demoness.

DaneMcCloud
03-09-2009, 12:24 PM
Imagine these from a rear shot:

Buck
03-09-2009, 12:27 PM
Imagine these from a rear shot:

Those are great.

The Hair looks the same too.

Mr. Plow
03-09-2009, 12:37 PM
Imagine these from a rear shot:


I'm going with that one. Looks pretty identical.

Buck
03-09-2009, 12:43 PM
The only thing is that the Statue they showed was wearing a skirt.

keg in kc
03-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Imagine these from a rear shot:Not my type.

You cali's go for some weird shit.

tymania
03-09-2009, 01:04 PM
The last six episode titles for this season....

9.Namaste
10.He's Our You
11.Whatever Happened, Happened
12.Dead is Dead
13.Some Like It Hoth
14.The Variable

Some interesting names, should be a good end to this season

Fish
03-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Taweret makes much more sense...

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8701/candleholdergoddesstawe.jpg

That would explain the ankh in both hands too. And the pointy ears....

According to "The Book of the Dead", Taweret guarded the paths to the mountains of the west which led to the underworld and could also use magic to help the deceased pass safely through that dangerous and frightening land.

tymania
03-09-2009, 01:10 PM
That thing looks like a sick hippo, with saggy boobs! lol

Buck
03-09-2009, 01:15 PM
What about the skirt?

Fish
03-09-2009, 01:51 PM
What about the skirt?

I don't think the skirt is relevant.... there's no symbolism there....

BigOlChiefsfan
03-10-2009, 01:54 PM
Taweret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret) IS a hippo. Consort to the original god of evil. To paraphrase the Etrade Baby, she's a Skankopotomus.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 02:08 PM
After a little research, I think the statue is that of the Egyptian Goddess Mut, or mother of all living beings:

Lady of Heaven.

* Attributes: Mut was the divine mother, the queen of all gods. She was the female counterpart of Amun. Mut usurped many of the other Egyptian goddess that exhibited the attributes of motherhood.

* Relations: Wife of Amun, mother of all the gods, mother of all living things.

Buck
03-10-2009, 02:16 PM
I don't think the skirt is relevant.... there's no symbolism there....

I don't think there is any symbolism either, but why the hell would they build a statue of a god wearing a skirt, when there hasn't ever been a statue of the same god wearing a skirt before?

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 03:09 PM
I don't think there is any symbolism either, but why the hell would they build a statue of a god wearing a skirt, when there hasn't ever been a statue of the same god wearing a skirt before?

See one post above

Buck
03-10-2009, 03:13 PM
See one post above

No Pointy Ears on Mut

keg in kc
03-10-2009, 03:14 PM
The irony of all this is that we've dedicated all this brainpower to something that was onscreen for a total of, what, 5 seconds, including the foot years ago and the recent rear-view. Something that probably has zero relevance to the overall story.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 03:22 PM
No Pointy Ears on Mut

I didn't find enough pictures to confirm or deny but it would be interesting if the statue was Mut and Alpert was Amun.

Fish
03-10-2009, 03:48 PM
After a little research, I think the statue is that of the Egyptian Goddess Mut, or mother of all living beings:

Lady of Heaven.

* Attributes: Mut was the divine mother, the queen of all gods. She was the female counterpart of Amun. Mut usurped many of the other Egyptian goddess that exhibited the attributes of motherhood.

* Relations: Wife of Amun, mother of all the gods, mother of all living things.

Why?

Mut was generally always depicted as having wings. Sometimes as a vulture or with the headdress of a vulture. And she always has a symbolic red dress.

I can maybe see some connection as her being regarded as "mother", and especially the fact that she can't have children. But other than that, she doesn't make much sense for the statue IMO.

Third Eye
03-10-2009, 04:06 PM
The irony of all this is that we've dedicated all this brainpower to something that was onscreen for a total of, what, 5 seconds, including the foot years ago and the recent rear-view. Something that probably has zero relevance to the overall story.

How can you think it will have zero relevance? Nothing is shown by accident.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 04:13 PM
Why?

Mut was generally always depicted as having wings. Sometimes as a vulture or with the headdress of a vulture. And she always has a symbolic red dress.

I can maybe see some connection as her being regarded as "mother", and especially the fact that she can't have children. But other than that, she doesn't make much sense for the statue IMO.

I don't know.

I guess I don't know what to think.

I give up on this mystery.

keg in kc
03-10-2009, 04:57 PM
How can you think it will have zero relevance? Nothing is shown by accident.All that I mean is that I don't think it will be a plot device in the end.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 05:11 PM
All that I mean is that I don't think it will be a plot device in the end.

Interesting.

I tend to believe it will have some if not great significance.

I guess we'll know by May 24th, 2010!

keg in kc
03-10-2009, 05:15 PM
I hope it does, because it would be cool, but I think it's a little too obvious to be their macguffin.

Guru
03-10-2009, 10:49 PM
I don't know.

I guess I don't know what to think.

I give up on this mystery.Liar!!! You won't give up.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2009, 11:01 PM
Liar!!! You won't give up.

You're right.

I wish I could go back in time and never post those words.

:D

Guru
03-11-2009, 01:15 AM
You're right.

I wish I could go back in time and never post those words.

:D:doh!::shake:LMAO

Baby Lee
03-11-2009, 04:22 AM
Ego operor ignoro.

Ego coniecto EGO operor ignoro quis reor.

Ego trado ut is riddle.

WTF???

Guru
03-11-2009, 04:52 AM
WTF???

que merda

rad
03-11-2009, 04:43 PM
I hope it does, because it would be cool, but I think it's a little too obvious to be their macguffin.

Macguffin = island

Guru
03-11-2009, 06:21 PM
crap. It's a repeat tonight. I forgot about that.

DMAC
03-18-2009, 06:46 PM
New one tonight?

rad
03-18-2009, 06:55 PM
Yes Yes.

Guru
03-18-2009, 08:40 PM
Great tracking multiple timelines will be fun.

Chiefnj2
03-18-2009, 08:52 PM
Odd interactions between Jack and Sawyer/Juliette. Too much hostility.

Guru
03-18-2009, 09:01 PM
Well, Jack and Sawyer never got along.

PS

God I feel like shit. Now my kids do too.

rad
03-18-2009, 09:51 PM
I don't get why Sun didn't wind up with Sawyer and Co.

Psyko Tek
03-18-2009, 10:24 PM
she wasn't supposed to come back?

why?

only thing I got is she gave birth on the island?

arrowheadnation
03-19-2009, 12:02 AM
Ok, I've got a couple things this week. Not a whole lot of easter eggs in this episode.

1. I hope everyone noticed how fast Ben healed.

2. As the plane is going down, you can hear over the radio in the background someone saying "4.......8......15.....16.....23......42"

3. I wonder if Jack being placed as a janitor wasn't Sawyer saying "!@@% you buddy" to Jack in a backhanded way.

4. Anybody else think that Sayid's "reason for coming back" from next week's preview is to kill little Ben.

5. I like how Radzinsky was designing the Flame station...aka...the original hatch.

6. I think Sawyer mentioning that Faraday was "gone" was very important

7. One last thing, prior to Christian coming out of the Dharma house, you could hear the "whispers" like the others used to intimidate the Losties in the jungle in earlier seasons.

Buck
03-19-2009, 12:22 AM
1. I hope everyone noticed how fast Ben healed.
That was because the Ben we saw tonight was before the Ben we saw laying in the cot....n00b
Oh wait, you were talking about his arm...okay, I am teh n00b

2. As the plane is going down, you can hear over the radio in the background someone saying "4.......8......15.....16.....23......42"
Didn't notice that

3. I wonder if Jack being placed as a janitor wasn't Sawyer saying "!@@% you buddy" to Jack in a backhanded way.
Probably

4. Anybody else think that Sayid's "reason for coming back" from next week's preview is to kill little Ben.
The title of next week is "He's Our You" Maybe someone is going to torture Sayid and Sawyer is going to explain that person is Dharma's him (torturer)

5. I like how Radzinsky was designing the Flame station...aka...the original hatch.
That was cool

6. I think Sawyer mentioning that Faraday was "gone" was very important
Yeah, Maybe he left on a Submarine

7. One last thing, prior to Christian coming out of the Dharma house, you could hear the "whispers" like the others used to intimidate the Losties in the jungle in earlier seasons.
There has been some speculation that those whispers are from people talking at the same spot on the island, just in a different time

arrowheadnation
03-19-2009, 12:30 AM
This is pretty interesting. Here's a brightened version of the scene with Sun/Christian. It looks like there are two people in the background. On the original version, it's very dark. I think it's a production error, but some people have other theories.

<img src=http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2860/sunz.jpg>

keg in kc
03-19-2009, 12:37 AM
That episode felt like treading water.

Baby Lee
03-19-2009, 04:54 AM
5. I like how Radzinsky was designing the Flame station...aka...the original hatch.
Swan, Flame is the 'info center' he was sitting in while designing Swan.

Mile High Mania
03-19-2009, 05:11 AM
Lots of interesting stuff here... slow motion video of that scene.



<embed src="http://spoilerfiles.com/spoilertv/flvplayerv4.swf" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" flashvars="file=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIUV3DeaF0To&stretching=exactfit&description=Video%20Description&volume=12&image=http%3A%2F%2Fspoilerfiles.com%2Fspoilertv%2Fdarkufovideostill.jpg&title=Video%20Title&plugins=viral,ltas_beta" width="480" height="360">

tymania
03-19-2009, 05:12 AM
This is pretty interesting. Here's a brightened version of the scene with Sun/Christian. It looks like there are two people in the background. On the original version, it's very dark. I think it's a production error, but some people have other theories.


Claire?

tymania
03-19-2009, 05:16 AM
Here is a shot in the dark at who the baby might be....ETHAN?!?

I was right!! However, i dont think baby Ethan will have much to do with show as of right now. It was just something else to make a connection with the future.

DaneMcCloud
03-23-2009, 12:48 AM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2009/02/catching_up_with_losts_michael.html

This is interesting. There is a certain "semi" spoiler at the very end so be aware.

All I can say is that he's freakin' into it.

DaneMcCloud
03-23-2009, 01:20 AM
Oh, and it's possible that the statue was Persephone.

Queen of Fertility.

And Queen of the Underworld.

kysirsoze
03-23-2009, 02:21 AM
Oh, and it's possible that the statue was Persephone.

Queen of Fertility.

And Queen of the Underworld.

Hmmm... queen of fertility?? On an island where for some reason women who bear children end up dead?

aaaand queen of the underworld on an island where dead people show up all the time? Not to mention it seems to have it's own immortal guardian. (Alpert, (duh))

Forgive me if this has been brought up already in this thread. First time checking it out.

DaneMcCloud
03-23-2009, 10:27 AM
Hmmm... queen of fertility?? On an island where for some reason women who bear children end up dead?

aaaand queen of the underworld on an island where dead people show up all the time? Not to mention it seems to have it's own immortal guardian. (Alpert, (duh))

Forgive me if this has been brought up already in this thread. First time checking it out.

Dude, I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out there. The idea was triggered when I watched some earlier episodes this season over the weekend. In one, Charlotte suddenly started talking in mumbo-jumbo and said "I know more about Carthage than anyone".

Furthermore, it appears that there's a time frame where people can't get pregnant and have healthy babies on the island. Ethan was born on the island in 1977 and in 2004, Sun got pregnant and later delivered.

And we may find out that other people were born on the island as well (Miles and Daniel Faraday are two possible examples).

kysirsoze
03-23-2009, 11:12 AM
Dude, I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out there. The idea was triggered when I watched some earlier episodes this season over the weekend. In one, Charlotte suddenly started talking in mumbo-jumbo and said "I know more about Carthage than anyone".

Furthermore, it appears that there's a time frame where people can't get pregnant and have healthy babies on the island. Ethan was born on the island in 1977 and in 2004, Sun got pregnant and later delivered.

And we may find out that other people were born on the island as well (Miles and Daniel Faraday are two possible examples).

Sun delivered off the island, though. For all we know, the "curse" still stands.

DaneMcCloud
03-23-2009, 10:24 PM
Sun delivered off the island, though. For all we know, the "curse" still stands.

Yeah but she did get pregnant. And Claire had a baby on the island.

Anyway, I find it interesting that the statue was there at some point and now it's gone. I find it hard to believe that it means nothing, especially with all of the heiroglyphics found on the island.

Fish
03-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Yeah but she did get pregnant. And Claire had a baby on the island.

Anyway, I find it interesting that the statue was there at some point and now it's gone. I find it hard to believe that it means nothing, especially with all of the heiroglyphics found on the island.

I agree. I can't get away from thinking that it has an important place in the overall big picture of what's really going on. The island has made quite a point about being "timeless", or possibly unaffected by time, and that fact has to be closely woven into the story. I keep thinking there's a cultural significance that hasn't been explained yet.

oldandslow
03-24-2009, 12:15 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2009/02/catching_up_with_losts_michael.html

This is interesting. There is a certain "semi" spoiler at the end...

No kidding.

Buck
03-24-2009, 01:38 PM
How bad is the semi-spoiler?

BigRedChief
03-24-2009, 01:54 PM
How bad is the semi-spoiler?
Jacks dad is Ben's father.

Chiefnj2
03-24-2009, 02:21 PM
Lindelof said that a DVD set of the first season will come out this summer, before a second season begins in the fall. As the show progresses, he added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be ... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel."

Buck
03-24-2009, 02:26 PM
Lindelof said that a DVD set of the first season will come out this summer, before a second season begins in the fall. As the show progresses, he added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be ... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel."

Well, that did change, but the show is still awesome.

DaneMcCloud
03-24-2009, 06:07 PM
Well, that did change, but the show is still awesome.

I just think they didn't want to scare anyone off.

There's no way that the creators didn't know there was a time-traveling aspect to the show.

It's a HUGE part of the mythology.

Buck
03-24-2009, 06:12 PM
I just think they didn't want to scare anyone off.

There's no way that the creators didn't know there was a time-traveling aspect to the show.

It's a HUGE part of the mythology.

Yeah they knew.

I've heard they knew all the main points they were going to hit, including the very last scene of the show.

They do need to make up some stuff as they go along though.

The one I hear the most from detractors is that the Producers didn't even think they were going to keep Michael Emerson on after 5 episodes. While I agree that is true, I do think they knew they were going to have a leader of "The Others" and this guy was so good, they wrote him into that role.

JASONSAUTO
03-24-2009, 06:13 PM
Jacks dad is Ben's father.

HUH? where did it say that?

Buck
03-24-2009, 06:18 PM
HUH? where did it say that?

Hes just kidding.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 06:31 PM
The one I hear the most from detractors is that the Producers didn't even think they were going to keep Michael Emerson on after 5 episodes. While I agree that is true, I do think they knew they were going to have a leader of "The Others" and this guy was so good, they wrote him into that role.Can't plan for everything. I doubt they expected ana lucia or mr eko to go real world nutso whilest filming.

Mr. Plow
03-24-2009, 08:29 PM
Can't plan for everything. I doubt they expected ana lucia or mr eko to go real world nutso whilest filming.


What happened with that? I guess I never heard.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 08:34 PM
What happened with that? I guess I never heard.Urban legend. Michelle Rodruigez got a DUI in Hawaii, but has said that her death was planned from the start.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written out of the show following the death of both of his parents, to work on other things.

BigRedChief
03-25-2009, 07:23 AM
HUH? where did it say that?
spoiler based sarcasm and attempt at humor only.

JASONSAUTO
03-25-2009, 07:10 PM
spoiler based sarcasm and attempt at humor only.

cool cool, i read the article then saw what you wrote, read it again, still nothing, i was like WTF???:D

arrowheadnation
03-25-2009, 09:48 PM
Ok...Here are my thoughts on the week:

1. They definitely wanted to drill into our heads right from the get-go that Sayid is/was a killer. Otherwise, there was no need for the chicken scene.

2. Gotta give the casting department some sort of award for the casting of young Ben. That kid is creepy as hell, and it's not that he's trying to be creepy. It's the close up camera angles and hoody that do it for me.

3. They didn't show us that book for nothing. What I get from it is Faraday says you can't change the past. So if Sayid shot Ben, it shouldn't effect grown up Ben because he's in "A Separate Reality" in future times.

4. As for the love "square" that is Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer, I actually kinda felt bad for Juliet. She appears to have found happiness and you can tell she doesn't want to lose it.

5. I'd love to see the smoke monster ravage Radzinsky in a wide open stretch of land. That guy is a certifiable douche bag.

6. Not important, but didn't it appear that Sawyer tazed Sayid in the balls?

7. Oldham's a strage cat. At least he used humane ways of getting answers....compared to Sayid.

8. I find it funny that Sayid told Horace and crew exactly what they wanted to know, but they blew it off.....acid "is a hellofva drug."

9. That was very ballsy of the writers/producers having a character shoot a child in cold blood during primetime TV. What was PC even 10 years ago, is not the same now. Anywho, it was the payoff for the chicken scene being included. Sayid is a stone cold killer and he did what he had to do with both Ben and the chicken.

10. Last but not least. Radzinsky.....did I metion he is a d-bag?....threatened to call Ann Arbor if the rest of the group didn't agree with him. Ann Arbor is home to the DeGroots, the two University of Michigan students who created the Dharma Initiative. One has to wonder if we'll see them in the flesh sometime or another.

kysirsoze
03-26-2009, 02:35 AM
Ok...Here are my thoughts on the week:

1. They definitely wanted to drill into our heads right from the get-go that Sayid is/was a killer. Otherwise, there was no need for the chicken scene.

2. Gotta give the casting department some sort of award for the casting of young Ben. That kid is creepy as hell, and it's not that he's trying to be creepy. It's the close up camera angles and hoody that do it for me.

3. They didn't show us that book for nothing. What I get from it is Faraday says you can't change the past. So if Sayid shot Ben, it shouldn't effect grown up Ben because he's in "A Separate Reality" in future times.

4. As for the love "square" that is Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer, I actually kinda felt bad for Juliet. She appears to have found happiness and you can tell she doesn't want to lose it.

5. I'd love to see the smoke monster ravage Radzinsky in a wide open stretch of land. That guy is a certifiable douche bag.

6. Not important, but didn't it appear that Sawyer tazed Sayid in the balls?

7. Oldham's a strage cat. At least he used humane ways of getting answers....compared to Sayid.

8. I find it funny that Sayid told Horace and crew exactly what they wanted to know, but they blew it off.....acid "is a hellofva drug."

9. That was very ballsy of the writers/producers having a character shoot a child in cold blood during primetime TV. What was PC even 10 years ago, is not the same now. Anywho, it was the payoff for the chicken scene being included. Sayid is a stone cold killer and he did what he had to do with both Ben and the chicken.

10. Last but not least. Radzinsky.....did I metion he is a d-bag?....threatened to call Ann Arbor if the rest of the group didn't agree with him. Ann Arbor is home to the DeGroots, the two University of Michigan students who created the Dharma Initiative. One has to wonder if we'll see them in the flesh sometime or another.

I think it's more likely that Ben will recover from his wound and the shooting will somehow make him more Ben-like, therefore blowing everyone's mind with how shitty it is that Sayid caused him to be a creepy freak.

Guru
03-26-2009, 02:41 AM
I think it's more likely that Ben will recover from his wound and the shooting will somehow make him more Ben-like, therefore blowing everyone's mind with how shitty it is that Sayid caused him to be a creepy freak.Except the doc on the island couldn't even deliver a baby. Of course, it will probably be Jack that saves his life.

Adept Havelock
03-26-2009, 06:19 AM
I think it's more likely that Ben will recover from his wound and the shooting will somehow make him more Ben-like, therefore blowing everyone's mind with how shitty it is that Sayid caused him to be a creepy freak.

I suspect Richard Alpert is going to find him and "mold" young Ben.

My names Oldham, this is my DHARMA brother Darrell, and my other DHARMA brother Darrell. :)

Chiefnj2
03-26-2009, 07:31 AM
Pretty lame episode. You know young Ben isn't going to die. Kudos to Sayid for trying. Next weeks episode looks pretty lame - just a setup for the finale down the road.

tymania
03-26-2009, 11:06 AM
Ok...Here are my thoughts on the week:

1. They definitely wanted to drill into our heads right from the get-go that Sayid is/was a killer. Otherwise, there was no need for the chicken scene.

2. Gotta give the casting department some sort of award for the casting of young Ben. That kid is creepy as hell, and it's not that he's trying to be creepy. It's the close up camera angles and hoody that do it for me.

3. They didn't show us that book for nothing. What I get from it is Faraday says you can't change the past. So if Sayid shot Ben, it shouldn't effect grown up Ben because he's in "A Separate Reality" in future times.

4. As for the love "square" that is Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer, I actually kinda felt bad for Juliet. She appears to have found happiness and you can tell she doesn't want to lose it.

5. I'd love to see the smoke monster ravage Radzinsky in a wide open stretch of land. That guy is a certifiable douche bag.

6. Not important, but didn't it appear that Sawyer tazed Sayid in the balls?

7. Oldham's a strage cat. At least he used humane ways of getting answers....compared to Sayid.

8. I find it funny that Sayid told Horace and crew exactly what they wanted to know, but they blew it off.....acid "is a hellofva drug."

9. That was very ballsy of the writers/producers having a character shoot a child in cold blood during primetime TV. What was PC even 10 years ago, is not the same now. Anywho, it was the payoff for the chicken scene being included. Sayid is a stone cold killer and he did what he had to do with both Ben and the chicken.

10. Last but not least. Radzinsky.....did I metion he is a d-bag?....threatened to call Ann Arbor if the rest of the group didn't agree with him. Ann Arbor is home to the DeGroots, the two University of Michigan students who created the Dharma Initiative. One has to wonder if we'll see them in the flesh sometime or another.

Isnt Radzinsky the other guy in the Hatch pushing the 'button' and ended up blowing his head off? before Desmond Arrived?

tymania
03-26-2009, 11:10 AM
And you know that Dharma is going to find out about Sawyer and everybody, i bet Hurley gives them all away some how or another. Or they are going to realize that they need to get out of the Dharma before things go sour.

I am interested on how this season is going to end...and what the cliff hanger will be for the next and final season.

Baby Lee
03-26-2009, 11:11 AM
6. Not important, but didn't it appear that Sawyer tazed Sayid in the balls?
And, perhaps more importantly, in the 1970s.

arrowheadnation
03-26-2009, 11:50 AM
Lol...on another board that I frequent, somebody already thought of that. The taser was invented in 1976 and it's 77 on the island.

Buck
03-26-2009, 03:24 PM
I don't have much to comment on about this episode.

Good Episode, but I don't really have any questions about it after watching it.

Adept Havelock
03-26-2009, 04:35 PM
Isnt Radzinsky the other guy in the Hatch pushing the 'button' and ended up blowing his head off? before Desmond Arrived?

Radzinsky was in there with Kelvin Inman before Desmond took over.

Yes, he painted the ceiling with a shotgun.

arrowheadnation
04-01-2009, 11:50 PM
I don't have a whole lot this week. It was pretty much all story this week. Very little LOST hidden agenda type stuff.

1. So they further reiterated that you can't change the past by showing that Ben couldn't die. This should also mean that other things like "the purge" have to happen regardless of what they do to try and stop it.

2. Looks like there is a power struggle in the Others camp. Sounds like Charles and Ellie (Widmore) are trying to run things much to Alpert's chagrin. I think it's pretty obvious that Ben is going to help Alpert get them booted off the island.

3. I really thought when Juliet cornered Jack in the shower she was gonna whore out and ravage him. She looked smokin hot in that scene. Oh and Kate was bonerrific in the supermarket scene.

4. Jack didn't even realize it, but by not fixing Ben, he allowed him to become the grown up Ben. Buuuuuuut.....It didn't really matter. Because as in #1 above, things happen regardless of what is done to stop it, so he would have become the Others leader some other way.

5. Lastly, at the very end of the episode, I think it was pretty clear that Ben was manifesting "new" memories while lying on the cot. Then he opens his eyes and WHOA! total mind blow! I really hope that was Locke in some sort of Christian Shepherd-like form.

6. Oh yeah, isn't Roger gonna be kinda pissed that Sawyer and Kate just gave his kid away? I mean, I would

Ari Chi3fs
04-02-2009, 12:10 AM
all very good points arrowheadnation...

Kate was looking damn fine in the grocery store... I would soo love to hump her and Sun in a wild island threeway. In 1977 or 2009, wherever.

#4... yeah by NOT fixing Ben, he inadvertently put that other path in front him. Very Bizarre.

I think that Kate and Roger were gonna hump...

Where the hell is Daniel Faraday?

Adept Havelock
04-02-2009, 06:25 AM
1. So they further reiterated that you can't change the past by showing that Ben couldn't die. This should also mean that other things like "the purge" have to happen regardless of what they do to try and stop it.


I think you are correct. In a video shown to fans at Comic-Con in '08, Pierre Chang (the guy from all the DHARMA videos) was sending a message to "30 years in the future". He stated he knew Bush was President, the internet was the primary medium for exchanging ideas, and that the members of the DHARMA Project were going to "die in a purge we are powerless to prevent".

The Pierre Chang stuff starts about 55 seconds into the video:

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BigRedChief
04-02-2009, 06:56 AM
I think that Kate and Roger were gonna hump...
I sure hope not.:(