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Psyko Tek
04-02-2009, 11:17 PM
I don't have a whole lot this week. It was pretty much all story this week. Very little LOST hidden agenda type stuff.


3. I really thought when Juliet cornered Jack in the shower she was gonna whore out and ravage him. She looked smokin hot in that scene. Oh and Kate was bonerrific in the supermarket scene.

KATE IS ALWAYS BONERRIFIC

6. Oh yeah, isn't Roger gonna be kinda pissed that Sawyer and Kate just gave his kid away? I mean, I would

Ben will come back to him soon and kill hin in a darhma microbus full of beer, maybe he would have been better of if they had kept him

Mr. Plow
04-03-2009, 10:11 AM
The whole concept of "can't change the past" is starting to click after watching this weeks episode. Of course, I'm not the brightest guy on the planet.

KevB
04-03-2009, 12:59 PM
I think that Kate and Roger were gonna hump...

There's no way Kate was about to hump Napolean Dynamite's uncle. Just isn't possible.

Molitoth
04-03-2009, 02:10 PM
There's no way Kate was about to hump Napolean Dynamite's uncle. Just isn't possible.

I thought he looked really familiar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rad
04-03-2009, 02:50 PM
I thought he looked really familiar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said to my wife as we were watching last week I bet that Roger guy could throw a football over those mountains back there.

JASONSAUTO
04-03-2009, 06:19 PM
uncle rico FTW

Guru
04-04-2009, 06:14 AM
There's no way Kate was about to hump Napolean Dynamite's uncle. Just isn't possible.Heh, my memory of him goes back much further.

Broots.

Frazod
04-04-2009, 03:31 PM
I don't have much to comment on about this episode.

Good Episode, but I don't really have any questions about it after watching it.

My only question is why didn't Sayid put a couple of rounds through Ben's head? I would have emptied the entire clip and then beat him with a rock.

Guru
04-08-2009, 08:22 PM
OK? Didn't expect that so soon.

irishjayhawk
04-08-2009, 09:10 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed tonight's episode. Best since - IMO - the Faraday/Desmond centric episode earlier this season.

arrowheadnation
04-08-2009, 11:27 PM
My thoughts this week:

1. "DEAD IS DEAD"....I think that's one of the biggest things we should take away from this week. John Locke is dead and the fact that that scares the hell out of Ben actually scares the hell out of me a little...lol.

2. I have two theories about the actions of the Ajira crew. They're either possessed by the same thing that Russeau's crew was possessed by. (She was asked a pretty off the wall question). OR...If it's not that, the remainder of the Ajira crew are people Widmore planted on the plane and that question was the "secret code" that let them know who was a Widmore plant and who wasn't (why Lapidus got whacked). Also, there wasn't a cargo box of weapons and supplies on that plane for nothing.

3. As for the question mentioned in #2, "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" Is it the four toed statue that was on the island? Or a secret question/answer for Widmore's peeps?

4. On the wall in Smokey's lair, it appeared that the heiroglyphs showed smokey "eating" out of Anubis' hand. Of course, Anubis seems to be the popular choice for the identity of the large statue on the island that we saw a few episodes back.

5. I'm pretty sure "Tell Desmond Hume I'm sorry" means "I'm sorry for shooting you" and not "I'm sorry for killing your wife."

6. Smokey has been referred to as Cerebrus a few times on the show and the writers as well. In mythology, Cerebrus was the guardian to the gates of the underworld. So, Cerebrus = guardian to underworld. Smokey = guardian of the island....perhaps?

7. On the preview for next week, for a second or two, there is a scene of Jack standing in a classroom of some sort with writing about ancient Egypt on the blackboard behind him. I wonder why the Dharma people would want to keep up on Egyptian history???

8. It's pretty evident that Smokey took the form of Alex down in the lair. We've seen it take the form of Yemi (Ecko's brother) as well. This makes me wonder how many other times we've seen Smokey in someone else's form???

9. Since last season when he first unleashed the smoke monster, I've always wondered how Ben did it....well....now we know that he went and pulled the plug on Smokey's bath water and that pissed Smokey off so he came out to put the plug back in. Ben is just a prank playing #%!#*%!.

irishjayhawk
04-09-2009, 01:04 AM
I'll pass along another review site I frequent (can't remember if I've mentioned it), but What Alan's Watching has an awesome LOST segment each week. Sometimes I disagree with him and sometimes I agree.

This time (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/04/lost-dead-is-dead-reversal-of-fortune.html) I had already come to the conclusion before he wrote his piece. He took words out of my mouth.

In particular:
But outside of my enormous relief at realizing that Penny, Desmond and Charlie had all survived Ben's attack at the marina, what made "Dead Is Dead" so great was the acting clinic put on by the two most senior -- and, with all due respect to everybody else, most talented -- members of the "Lost" ensemble.

O'Quinn and Emerson have achieved what O'Quinn and Fox could not: undeniable chemistry.

ZootedGranny
04-09-2009, 01:21 AM
I've been digging this season, but a few things about this episode:

1. Hopefully Caesar stays dead.
2. Hopefully Ilana dies next.
3. Lemme get some of that milk that stopped a bullet.

DaneMcCloud
04-09-2009, 01:33 AM
I'll pass along another review site I frequent (can't remember if I've mentioned it), but What Alan's Watching has an awesome LOST segment each week. Sometimes I disagree with him and sometimes I agree.

This time (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/04/lost-dead-is-dead-reversal-of-fortune.html) I had already come to the conclusion before he wrote his piece. He took words out of my mouth.

In particular:


O'Quinn and Emerson have achieved what O'Quinn and Fox could not: undeniable chemistry.

I have to admit that when I first started watching this show, I said to myself: "Matthew Fox?".

To THIS day "Matthew Fox"?

I had some friends down in Brazil recently discover a new type of petrified tree, unlike any other ever in South America.

They named it the Matthew Fox Tree.

j/k about the peeps in SA. pinnochio has less wooden parts than matt fox.

DaneMcCloud
04-09-2009, 01:42 AM
Oh, I still think it's Atlantis

Guru
04-09-2009, 02:20 AM
Oh, I still think it's AtlantisYou have thought several things in this thread.:D

Shag
04-09-2009, 09:49 AM
I've been digging this season, but a few things about this episode:

1. Hopefully Caesar stays dead.
2. Hopefully Ilana dies next.
3. Lemme get some of that milk that stopped a bullet.

I don't think the bullet was stopped - I'm guessing Desmond had a hole in his body from it. When he was shot, I got the impression it was in his right arm/shoulder area, rather than a vital body part. I also think he was only punching Ben with his left, which could indicate his right side was jacked up from being shot...

Red Brooklyn
04-09-2009, 10:04 AM
My thoughts this week:

1. "DEAD IS DEAD"....I think that's one of the biggest things we should take away from this week. John Locke is dead and the fact that that scares the hell out of Ben actually scares the hell out of me a little...lol.
Does it really scare the hell out of Ben though? Ben gave two very different accounts of his feelings/actions regarding John Locke. Which are we meant to believe? And which is the actual truth?


2. I have two theories about the actions of the Ajira crew. They're either possessed by the same thing that Russeau's crew was possessed by. (She was asked a pretty off the wall question). OR...If it's not that, the remainder of the Ajira crew are people Widmore planted on the plane and that question was the "secret code" that let them know who was a Widmore plant and who wasn't (why Lapidus got whacked). Also, there wasn't a cargo box of weapons and supplies on that plane for nothing.
I am in the camp that believes they are "plants." Widmore maybe. What about Dharma plants? Remember Keamy (from the freighter) had a secondry protocal file with a Dharma logo on it... so what is Widmore's relationship to Dharma? Has it changed from his relationship to Dharma while he was still on the island? ... I don't know... but I'm thinking that the question Ilana asked was indeed a secret code. I can't wait to find out who the 316ers are really "working for." Popular guesses are: Widmore, Dharama or perhaps even the US Army??? I don't know....

3. As for the question mentioned in #2, "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" Is it the four toed statue that was on the island? Or a secret question/answer for Widmore's peeps?!.
I think it may have dual implications.

4. On the wall in Smokey's lair, it appeared that the heiroglyphs showed smokey "eating" out of Anubis' hand. Of course, Anubis seems to be the popular choice for the identity of the large statue on the island that we saw a few episodes back.
He certainly does... but that may be the stronget evidence to suggest that it isn't! :banghead: this show and it's red harrings!! (Hello, Ceaser!)

5. I'm pretty sure "Tell Desmond Hume I'm sorry" means "I'm sorry for shooting you" and not "I'm sorry for killing your wife."
Yeah. Or "I'm sorry for trying to kill you and your wife." But we still never got to see the end of that scene. While, for the moment, I am relieved that Ben did not end Penny (and I'm still confident that he never will) we can't completely lay this issue to rest until we either see Pen and Des alive and well in the present or how that scene completely resolves. But, yeah, I'm with you on this.

6. Smokey has been referred to as Cerebrus a few times on the show and the writers as well. In mythology, Cerebrus was the guardian to the gates of the underworld. So, Cerebrus = guardian to underworld. Smokey = guardian of the island....perhaps?
Sounds logical to me. We've also seen three versions of Smokie. As I recall Cerebrus typically is depicted with three heads. Maybe that's a lie, but that's how I remember it... so it all seems to be adding up!

7. On the preview for next week, for a second or two, there is a scene of Jack standing in a classroom of some sort with writing about ancient Egypt on the blackboard behind him. I wonder why the Dharma people would want to keep up on Egyptian history???
Good question. But how much does Dharma know about the hostiles and their possible Egyptian ties?

8. It's pretty evident that Smokey took the form of Alex down in the lair. We've seen it take the form of Yemi (Ecko's brother) as well. This makes me wonder how many other times we've seen Smokey in someone else's form???
Yes. And I thought the same thing after Yemi. I'm pretty confident that at least one of the "ghost Walts" we've seen must have been Smokie.

9. Since last season when he first unleashed the smoke monster, I've always wondered how Ben did it....well....now we know that he went and pulled the plug on Smokey's bath water and that pissed Smokey off so he came out to put the plug back in. Ben is just a prank playing #%!#*%!.
LMAO

Red Brooklyn
04-09-2009, 10:10 AM
O'Quinn and Emerson have achieved what O'Quinn and Fox could not: undeniable chemistry.

While I believe that it is very clear that O'Quinn and Emerson are far and away the best actors on the show, I think everyone does a pretty damn good job. I also think that Fox and Lilly are by far the two most under-rated actors on the show. I understand that I may stand alone in that camp... but so be it. I think they are exceptional at what they do. Especially Fox in Season 3. He and Lilly were the only things that kept those first 6 episodes interesting for me.

DaneMcCloud
04-09-2009, 02:09 PM
You have thought several things in this thread.:D

And I'd bet that many of them are wrong

patteeu
04-09-2009, 02:28 PM
And I'd bet that many of them are wrong

All that really matters though, is that, when all is said and done, you can point back to a post where you got it right and all the other guesses won't really matter that much. :)

dtebbe
04-10-2009, 10:15 PM
Is it just me or does Juliete constantly have a look on her face like she's pinching one off short???

DT

Guru
04-15-2009, 08:42 PM
daddy

Guru
04-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Damnit, not another one of their rehash eps.

BigRedChief
04-15-2009, 10:59 PM
Who the hell are the guys in the van that got Miles into the van? The good guys?

Guru
04-15-2009, 11:01 PM
Who the hell are the guys in the van that got Miles into the van? The good guys?I missed that part because my daughter came in the room looking for her brown sack.:deevee:

arrowheadnation
04-16-2009, 09:08 AM
Had to go to another freaking viewing party. I know I said I'd never go again but there was this girl that was going to be there and blah blah blah. I know, I shunned my duty as a LOST fan, but never again. Here are my thoughts on this weeks ep.

1. First off, good God in heaven Juliet is hot....even when she's lying.

2. I like the little Easter egg they threw in that scene with the Dharma people teaching their students about ancient Egypt.

3. Was the way that dude in the body bag died last night a total OH #+#@! moment for anyone else. It's pretty obvious they were working next to the electromagnetic source that the hatch was built over and he got to close/somehow activated it and as he was leaned over digging, it ripped one of his fillings out and sucked it through the top of his head making it look like a bullet wound....HOLY CRAP!

4. 4,8,15,16,23,42.....they return. Now we know why the hatch was so secretive...it was built in "enemy" territory.

5. In another mindblowing moment, we learned that Miles sleeps only feet away from...."himself." Since he values money so much, he needs to break into that kids crib at night and tattoo the word "Microsoft" to his !@+ or something.

6. When Sawyer punched that little sniveling worm at the end of the show (I hate that guy like I do Radzinsky), he pulled the first thread in what I believe will be the total unraveling of peace times between the Losties and the Dharma people over the next few weeks.

7. Daniel Faraday has some 'splainin to do. I'll leave it at that. (I thought we were going to meet the DeGroots last night)

8. Last but not least....the previews for the show in 2 WEEKS! WHAT THE HELL!?! 2 WEEKS!?! Anyway, the previews almost make it look like Jack, Kate, and crew flee into the jungle which would make me think they may become part of the Others. Tangled web this show weaves.

Ari Chi3fs
04-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Why was Faraday OFF the island? Perhaps he went through the Orchid and left the island? Now he is a scientist from Annover MD?

That was interesting to me... why was he gone?

And why are the ones in the black uniforms coming to kill everyone?

Baby Lee
04-16-2009, 11:33 AM
1. First off, good God in heaven Juliet is hot....even when she's lying.
Your reward, NSFW

http://www.smog.pl/wideo/9955/angelina_jolie_i_elizabeth_mitchell/

Frazod
04-16-2009, 11:36 AM
Was it Annover or Ann Arbor? I thought I head Ann Arbor (as in University of Michigan).

Baby Lee
04-16-2009, 12:08 PM
Was it Annover or Ann Arbor? I thought I head Ann Arbor (as in University of Michigan).

The Degroots are in Ann Arbor.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/University_of_Michigan

Chiefnj2
04-16-2009, 12:58 PM
I thought last nights episode was pretty boring and not nearly as revealing as I thought it would be. I thought Miles was going to learn a lot of interesting things from the dead guy and that he would have been killed for an important reason. We already knew about the force of the electromagnetism in the island.

Are we really supposed to believe the others don't know there is a huge construction job site in their territory? They are supposedly close to the island - living in tents, know the jungle like the back of their hands, etc. Yet, they don't notice an entire construction job site in the middle of the jungle? Are those birds singing, or jackhammers?

arrowheadnation
04-16-2009, 01:34 PM
Was it Annover or Ann Arbor? I thought I head Ann Arbor (as in University of Michigan).
Ann Arbor. Home to the University of Michigan where the DeGroots conceived the idea of the Dharma Initiative.

Baby Lee
04-29-2009, 07:34 PM
Had no idea,

what do Aldous Huxley, C.S. Lewis and JFK have in common?

Adept Havelock
04-29-2009, 07:46 PM
Had no idea,

what do Aldous Huxley, C.S. Lewis and JFK have in common?

All three are "somewhat less attractive now that (they're) all corpsified and gross"?

Baby Lee
04-29-2009, 07:48 PM
They are all corpsified and gross?

And all three began that process on the same day!!!

Aldous Leonard Huxley (26 July 1894 – 22 November 1963)
Clive Staples Lewis (29 November 1898 – 22 November 1963),
John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy (May 29, 1917 – November 22, 1963),

Adept Havelock
04-29-2009, 07:54 PM
And all three began that process on the same day!!!

Aldous Leonard Huxley (26 July 1894 – 22 November 1963)
Clive Staples Lewis (29 November 1898 – 22 November 1963),
John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy (May 29, 1917 – November 22, 1963),

:hmmm:

:clap:

Thank you for a very nice addition to my massive compendium of absolutely useless knowledge (outside of trivia bar games, that is). Rep things shall be flung in your general direction.

BigOlChiefsfan
04-29-2009, 09:02 PM
Whoa!

irishjayhawk
04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
That ending just dampened the awesomeness of that episode for me.

arrowheadnation
04-29-2009, 09:13 PM
Surely they'll save him a la lil Ben.

Guru
04-29-2009, 09:45 PM
Surely they'll save him a la lil Ben.He's only dead in the present. Once the circle is broken he will not die.

arrowheadnation
04-30-2009, 10:57 AM
Here are my musing/questions for this week.

1. First off, "Phil, Jack....Jack, Phil" and "twitchey" Sawyer had me ROFL ROFL ROFL

2. Chang better be ready to lose his arm because I'm pretty sure we now know what "the incident" is. Whether Daniel is dead or not, it's looking like Jughead is going to make another appearance.

3. I like how we just saw an entire episode of Miles trying to keep from Chang that he is his son and in the first few minutes, Faraday comes right out and says it.

4. Would love, love, LOVE to see the scene where Radzinsky blows his own brains out. Cannot stand that sniveling worm. Same with Phil. I wish Sawyer woulda slapped him around a little more.

5. I would have to say the reason Faraday was crying at the sight of the "Oceanic 815 wreckage" on the ocean floor is because he doesn't have the vivid memories of it yet but due to time traveling, somewhere in his brain he knows that it will eventually lead to the saddest moment of his life....when Charlotte dies.

6. Faraday was wrong all along, and he admits it. Not even science can predict humans and their own free will. I think he may have already known he was going to get capped when he marched into the Others camp. They really made sure to focus on the gun he was carrying and he always held it away from his side so everyone could see it.

7. Matthew Fox was on Letterman the other night and he says the cliffhanger for this season will be the biggest yet. He said it will actually probably disappoint more than make people happy because they'll be longing to know what happened during the long hiatus.

tomahawk kid
04-30-2009, 11:21 AM
Here are my musing/questions for this week.

1. First off, "Phil, Jack....Jack, Phil" and "twitchey" Sawyer had me ROFL ROFL ROFL

2. Chang better be ready to lose his arm because I'm pretty sure we now know what "the incident" is. Whether Daniel is dead or not, it's looking like Jughead is going to make another appearance.

3. I like how we just saw an entire episode of Miles trying to keep from Chang that he is his son and in the first few minutes, Faraday comes right out and says it.

4. Would love, love, LOVE to see the scene where Radzinsky blows his own brains out. Cannot stand that sniveling worm. Same with Phil. I wish Sawyer woulda slapped him around a little more.

5. I would have to say the reason Faraday was crying at the sight of the "Oceanic 815 wreckage" on the ocean floor is because he doesn't have the vivid memories of it yet but due to time traveling, somewhere in his brain he knows that it will eventually lead to the saddest moment of his life....when Charlotte dies.

6. Faraday was wrong all along, and he admits it. Not even science can predict humans and their own free will. I think he may have already known he was going to get capped when he marched into the Others camp. They really made sure to focus on the gun he was carrying and he always held it away from his side so everyone could see it.

7. Matthew Fox was on Letterman the other night and he says the cliffhanger for this season will be the biggest yet. He said it will actually probably disappoint more than make people happy because they'll be longing to know what happened during the long hiatus.


Radinsky is the balding, bearded guy in the dark coveralls, right?

How do we know he blows his own brains out?

arrowheadnation
04-30-2009, 11:42 AM
Kelvin told Desmond in the hatch. Kelvin explained to Desmond that, while he was asleep, Radzinsky committed suicide by putting a shotgun in his mouth and firing it, creating a blood stain on the ceiling. Because of the protocol, Kelvin had to bury him within 108 minutes.

tomahawk kid
04-30-2009, 12:15 PM
Kelvin told Desmond in the hatch. Kelvin explained to Desmond that, while he was asleep, Radzinsky committed suicide by putting a shotgun in his mouth and firing it, creating a blood stain on the ceiling. Because of the protocol, Kelvin had to bury him within 108 minutes.

But Radinsky is the guy I'm thinking of?

JASONSAUTO
04-30-2009, 12:18 PM
But Radinsky is the guy I'm thinking of?

sounds like it

Baby Lee
04-30-2009, 12:30 PM
Fuckity fuck, just realized that Eloise '77 is, like Guyliner, identical to Eloise '54, but unlike Guyliner, very different from Eloise 'childhood Dan' or Eloise 'present day.'.

Chiefnj2
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Why is the "incident" a big deal?

Didn't the "incident" happen in the past? There were still others and Dharma people around for Ben to gas and switch roles after the "incident".

Why is it so important now?

arrowheadnation
04-30-2009, 12:47 PM
But Radinsky is the guy I'm thinking of?

Yes.

arrowheadnation
04-30-2009, 12:52 PM
Why is the "incident" a big deal?

Didn't the "incident" happen in the past? There were still others and Dharma people around for Ben to gas and switch roles after the "incident".

Why is it so important now?

The two hour season finale episode is named "The Incident"....I'm thinking it's going to be pretty important.

Chiefnj2
04-30-2009, 12:54 PM
The two hour season finale episode is named "The Incident"....I'm thinking it's going to be pretty important.

You didn't answer the question though. The incident happened in the past, right? Life went on for both Dharma and the hostiles. Chang might have lost an arm, but it wasn't like everybody died.

arrowheadnation
04-30-2009, 02:32 PM
You didn't answer the question though. The incident happened in the past, right? Life went on for both Dharma and the hostiles. Chang might have lost an arm, but it wasn't like everybody died.

You're right, it's pretty apparent it doesn't kill people, but for the season finale to have that name, it must be very important.

Mr. Plow
04-30-2009, 11:22 PM
Thank you to all of you guys for remembering the shit from past seasons that I don't. My memory sucks.

rad
04-30-2009, 11:59 PM
Yeah mine too, cause I don't recall Chang losing an arm.....but I recall Jin or somebody finding an arm skeleton in the jungle, maybe near the cave where Smoky lives.

Chiefnj2
05-01-2009, 09:33 AM
Yeah mine too, cause I don't recall Chang losing an arm.....but I recall Jin or somebody finding an arm skeleton in the jungle, maybe near the cave where Smoky lives.

In the orientation videos that the lostees found when they discovered the various stations, Chang (who used the names candle, etc.) has a prosthetic hand.

noa
05-01-2009, 12:38 PM
Ok, so I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this because of the time travel issues:

When Faraday talked to Desmond when Desmond was in the hatch, this popped into Desmond's head later as a memory, but he didn't always have that memory, right?

But here, when Faraday gets shot by his mom, she always had that memory, it wasn't just something that popped into her mind one the event (in the past) actually occurred. She always knew that was going to happen.

Not sure if that makes any sense or whether someone can help me understand it better.

Chiefnj2
05-01-2009, 02:26 PM
Ok, so I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this because of the time travel issues:

When Faraday talked to Desmond when Desmond was in the hatch, this popped into Desmond's head later as a memory, but he didn't always have that memory, right?

But here, when Faraday gets shot by his mom, she always had that memory, it wasn't just something that popped into her mind one the event (in the past) actually occurred. She always knew that was going to happen.

Not sure if that makes any sense or whether someone can help me understand it better.

I agree with you about Desmond.

The second part makes my head hurt. Hawkings, with Ben's help, get the 6 back to the island, but they get divided. Does she know that? Ben seems genuinely surprised about some of the things. Did she know that Jack et al were going to be sent back to the 70's? Does she know her son is in the 70's? At the hospital when she talks to Widmore and Penny she says she doesn't know what will happen, but yet she knows her son was sacrificed.

irishjayhawk
05-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Ok, so I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this because of the time travel issues:

When Faraday talked to Desmond when Desmond was in the hatch, this popped into Desmond's head later as a memory, but he didn't always have that memory, right?

But here, when Faraday gets shot by his mom, she always had that memory, it wasn't just something that popped into her mind one the event (in the past) actually occurred. She always knew that was going to happen.

Not sure if that makes any sense or whether someone can help me understand it better.

The difference, as I see it, is Eloise's power was always knowing the future. So therefore the memory wasn't really a memory but just a fact.

JASONSAUTO
05-01-2009, 05:56 PM
The difference, as I see it, is Eloise's power was always knowing the future. So therefore the memory wasn't really a memory but just a fact.

then wehy did she say "for once i have no idea whats coming next" while talking to penny in the hospital? i think she has jumped around alot and right then was actually her present. and when she shot faraday she didnt know it was her son, later in life after having him she realized(because he told her who he was after being shot) that she HAD to make sure he fulfilled his destiny.

ZootedGranny
05-01-2009, 07:04 PM
Eloise kills adult Daniel in 77, finds out he is her son, and then presumably takes his journal. She then attempts to recreate the events that lead Daniel into his journey, such as pushing him towards science, giving him the blank journal after graduation.

In 2007, Eloise no longer knows what will happen because Daniel's journal entries stop when he is killed.

I think that's the timeline.

irishjayhawk
05-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Eloise kills adult Daniel in 77, finds out he is her son, and then presumably takes his journal. She then attempts to recreate the events that lead Daniel into his journey, such as pushing him towards science, giving him the blank journal after graduation.

In 2007, Eloise no longer knows what will happen because Daniel's journal entries stop when he is killed.

I think that's the timeline.

That would be my line of thinking.

JASONSAUTO
05-01-2009, 07:10 PM
Eloise kills adult Daniel in 77, finds out he is her son, and then presumably takes his journal. She then attempts to recreate the events that lead Daniel into his journey, such as pushing him towards science, giving him the blank journal after graduation.

In 2007, Eloise no longer knows what will happen because Daniel's journal entries stop when he is killed.

I think that's the timeline.

if thats the case then she still has his journal?? there are 2 of them out there for a while?

noa
05-01-2009, 07:55 PM
Why is it so important that Daniel has to live out that path? I guess that's probably a question that won't be answered until later, but I just don't understand why it was necessary for her to shoot him there, and that the situation absolutely had to happen. She could have sent him down that path but warned him not to put himself in that situation.

Chiefnj2
05-02-2009, 08:13 AM
Why is it so important that Daniel has to live out that path? I guess that's probably a question that won't be answered until later, but I just don't understand why it was necessary for her to shoot him there, and that the situation absolutely had to happen. She could have sent him down that path but warned him not to put himself in that situation.

Hawkings always talks about destiny and fate, but she and Ben work very hard to get people where they need them. It doesn't really seem like what will be, will be.

Ari Chi3fs
05-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Tonight is gonna be awesome! can't wait for this!

Buck
05-06-2009, 12:12 PM
Yes it is.

When does Entourage come back.

arrowheadnation
05-06-2009, 08:58 PM
HELL

OF

AN

EPISODE!

Guru
05-07-2009, 12:13 AM
Damn, I hate it when an ep ends before I am ready for it to end. heh

irishjayhawk
05-07-2009, 01:31 AM
Damn, I hate it when an ep ends before I am ready for it to end. heh

This.

Guru
05-07-2009, 03:47 AM
Usually Lost runs about 4 minutes over. Don't understand why they ended it a minute early this time. Next week ought to be GREAT!

arrowheadnation
05-07-2009, 09:12 AM
Ok....I've had a little time to collect my thoughts. Here's what I'm thinking....(pretty short this week)

1. How do you kill what's already dead?....this works on two levels this episode. One, Locke said he's going to kill Jacob. How the hell does that work? and number two, it seems like Ben and Richard might conspire to try and bring Locke down a peg or two. That being said, this assertive version of John Locke is a blast to watch.

2. Two scenes/episodes I must see next year before this show ends :( Number one, I want to see the Black Rock roll up to the island and what ensues after that. Number two, I want to see the scene in the swan where that rat fink Radzinsky blows his brains out. I cannot stand him.

3. Nice racks all around!!!! Juliet was looking magnificent in her low cut top and when middle aged Ellie got out of the water...hooray for boobies!

4. Make sure to pay attention at the beginning. Richard is holding a model of the Black Rock when Locke walks up with the boar.

5. Like I mentioned before, I hate to even write this, but our time to enjoy this is getting shorter and shorter. Just think, by this time next year, it will all be over. I really don't know what I'll do. Oh well, guess we better just enjoy the ride.

arrowheadnation
05-08-2009, 12:11 AM
This is interesting...

Things I Noticed - "Follow the Leader" by Vozzek69
Posted by DarkUFO at 5/07/2009 07:47:00 PM (Comments: 19) Comment Pop-up
Labels: Follow The Leader, Recaps, Vozzek69

Desmond May be the Constant, But...

Gonna put a new spin on one of my old theories here, going back to S3 when I called him the 'indestructible epicenter of all things'. I talked about this a little on the ODI podcast last week, but I wanted to put it here for everyone who didn't hear it. Here goes:

The Variable is Hurley.

Since the very beginning of LOST, this has been true. We've never seen it so clearly until now, because we've never really had reason to scrutinize it. But let's examine the evidence for a minute, and then you guys can make your own assumptions. Here's what I'm saying:

* Hurley almost didn't make Flight 815. In fact, the woman at the counter tells him: "I don't think you're supposed to be on this flight, dear".

* When Ben sees Hurley on Ajira 316, he looks him in the eye and tells him: "Hugo, who told you to come?"

* In Left Behind, episode S3.15, Hurley stands on the beach with Sawyer sitting behind him. He then looks out into the ocean, and says "I'm not supposed to be here".

* In Locke's vision where Boone's wheeling him through the airport, Hurley's the only person not getting on the plane. Everyone else is boarding the flight, but Hurley is not a passenger: instead he's stamping tickets at the gate.

* In S1, Hurley knew he wouldn't die on the bridge. He just had a 'feeling' he'd be alright - and he was. At the end of S3 Hurley knew he could get that 30+ year old van to start... and he got it started. He drives the van into Pryce through a hail of gunfire, without ever taking a single bullet.

* Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley all get captured by the Others. But Hurley was the one person they let go.

Hugo has always been lucky: rolling the dice, winning at horseshoes, never missing at basketball, winning the lottery. He eternally makes his own luck... and if this is the case, it stands to reason that he can make his own future. Hugo makes his own kind of music - he's been doing this both on and off the island. He's untouchable, unreachable, and the island can't affect him for a very simple reason: he's not supposed to be here.

Think about Hurley's distractions, too. The island tried to bribe him with a storeroom of food, but Hugo blew it up. It tried to offer him romance, but then his potential girlfriend gets shot. It even tries to get him to kill himself... by using Dave to almost convince Hurley to jump off a cliff. Didn't work.

Outside of the island? Hurley's in a mental institution, where someone is watching over him (because they can't touch him) to make sure he stays put. He gets out anyway. Then he's captured and imprisoned by the police. Somehow he gets out of that, too. No matter what happens, Hurley can't be contained. Hurley can somehow even see Jacob's cabin, because he's not affected by whatever illusions or smokescreens the island puts up.

Even now, it's no coincidence that Hurley's the one voice arguing in favor that things can be changed. He argues with Miles in Whatever Happened Happened, and he's trying to rewrite history with his Empire Strikes Back script. Hurley's seen more ghosts than anyone else. Charlie comes to Hurley as a ghost, telling him "They need you". Who needs him? Everyone else in the story. The Hurley bird is even shrieking his name over and over in the finale. The answer is obvious to me: Hurley's the one person who'll end up changing things.

What's funny is that we've always thought the game changer would come from one of the bigger players: Desmond, Ben, Jack, Locke - but if you think about LOST in general, it makes sense that such changes would come from someone you'd least expect. Hurley is perfect because no one's expecting him to matter. He's done nothing but cook, divide up food, play ping pong, and make everyone else laugh - including us.

Hurley is the island's very big problem because he's the one person who's "not here for a reason". And that's the very reason why he'll end up being so important: WHH can't apply to Hurley, because he was never a part of the plan (timeline?) in the first place. In short, I'm saying Hurley is the variable. Just tossing that out there, so let's hear everyone's thoughts on it!

Chiefless
05-08-2009, 12:34 AM
Ok....I've had a little time to collect my thoughts. Here's what I'm thinking....(pretty short this week)

1. How do you kill what's already dead?....this works on two levels this episode. One, Locke said he's going to kill Jacob. How the hell does that work? and number two, it seems like Ben and Richard might conspire to try and bring Locke down a peg or two. That being said, this assertive version of John Locke is a blast to watch.
.

I think there is no Jacob. Locke is going to "kill" the myth.

Guru
05-08-2009, 12:40 AM
I think there is no Jacob. Locke is going to "kill" the myth.Or Locke IS Jacob. We already know that Locke was seen inside the cabin earlier in the series.

irishjayhawk
05-08-2009, 09:34 AM
Is it a 2 hour finale?

Shag
05-08-2009, 10:11 AM
Is it a 2 hour finale?

Yes.

BigRedChief
05-08-2009, 11:40 AM
Hurley not being a side charector but more central to the plot may have merit.

Chiefless
05-08-2009, 06:22 PM
Or Locke IS Jacob. We already know that Locke was seen inside the cabin earlier in the series.

interesting...You never really saw who "Jacob" was. Didn't Jacob ask Locke for help?

JASONSAUTO
05-08-2009, 06:24 PM
interesting...You never really saw who "Jacob" was. Didn't Jacob ask Locke for help?

what role does christian sheppard and claire play in the cabin/jacob storyline? didnt locke see them there?

Chiefless
05-08-2009, 06:31 PM
what role does christian sheppard and claire play in the cabin/jacob storyline? didnt locke see them there?

No idea. I will say that Christian Sheppard arrived on the island in a coffin nd was seen shortly there after walking around just like Locke. I'm not sure what conclusions can be drawn from that parallel but it is weird. As for Clair...something is brew there. Didn't she just kind of disapear?

ALSO, what happened to all the random members of that flight? They just kind of disapeared as well.

JASONSAUTO
05-08-2009, 06:33 PM
No idea. I will say that Christian Sheppard arrived on the island in a coffin nd was seen shortly there after walking around just like Locke. I'm not sure what conclusions can be drawn from that parallel but it is weird. As for Clair...something is brew there. Didn't she just kind of disapear?

ALSO, what happened to all the random members of that flight? They just kind of disapeared as well.

i got the impression that when he arrived in the coffin it wasnt his first time there. he showed locke how to get off the island, he has been seen with claire at the cabin, he has talked about jacob IIRC.

Chiefless
05-08-2009, 06:41 PM
I wonder if that "position" on the island rotates or something. Guy arrives dead, comes back to life, teaches the next dead guy who came back to life the ropes...Which would mean that a new "locke" arrived on the plane that crashed with Locke's coffin.

Who freakin knows with this show. One of the brilliant things about Lost is the fact that absolutely anything is possible.

rad
05-08-2009, 09:16 PM
No idea. I will say that Christian Sheppard arrived on the island in a coffin nd was seen shortly there after walking around just like Locke. I'm not sure what conclusions can be drawn from that parallel but it is weird. As for Clair...something is brew there. Didn't she just kind of disapear?

ALSO, what happened to all the random members of that flight? They just kind of disapeared as well.

Alot of them were on the freighter when it blew up.

Guru
05-08-2009, 09:49 PM
interesting...You never really saw who "Jacob" was. Didn't Jacob ask Locke for help?There were some screen caps early last year that, if you look closely, you can tell it is Locke sitting in a chair.

I'll try to dig them up later if I can.

Chiefless
05-09-2009, 08:31 AM
There were some screen caps early last year that, if you look closely, you can tell it is Locke sitting in a chair.

I'll try to dig them up later if I can.

Actually, I remember that pic now that you mention it.

arrowheadnation
05-09-2009, 12:18 PM
Michael Emerson has confirmed that the statue is Taweret, the Egyptian Goddess of fertility and childbirth.

<img src=http://dittesoria.com/files/gimgs/12_taweret.jpg>

Red Brooklyn
05-09-2009, 07:46 PM
you gotta link to that confirm there, arrowhead?

arrowheadnation
05-09-2009, 10:35 PM
you gotta link to that confirm there, arrowhead?
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/lost/lost-statue-unmasked-841.html

Red Brooklyn
05-11-2009, 03:07 PM
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/lost/lost-statue-unmasked-841.html
... and I thank you, sir. ;)

Buck
05-11-2009, 03:16 PM
There were some screen caps early last year that, if you look closely, you can tell it is Locke sitting in a chair.

I'll try to dig them up later if I can.

I think you are talking about this pic.

I dont think this is Locke.

They actually said they just used someone from the filming crew to sit in.

This pic has been enhanced so its brighter and you can see him.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/9/97/3x20_Jacob_portrait.jpg/250px-3x20_Jacob_portrait.jpg

Guru
05-11-2009, 03:55 PM
Cover up his hair and who do you see. Not saying I'm right though. Just my theory.

Ari Chi3fs
05-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Jacob is Jesus!!

It is Wednesday yet?

And here is something... I think the Hydrogen Bomb... actually will CAUSE the problem... that they are trying to avoid.

BigRedChief
05-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Since Charlie first asked "where are we?", Lost has been a show about mysteries. The narrative has been slowly developing as we discover more about the Island, its powers, and its inhabitants.

Now in its fifth season, and preparing for its last, the show has gone through high points and low points. We refer to these as "Desmond" and "Nikki," respectively. But with more questions being answered every week, and fewer new ones being asked, it's clear that the show is in its autumn stages. It's preparing for next season when all will be answered, or at least all that the writers remember to answer.
So in preparation, this season finale has to be the biggest yet, and expectations are high. In short, the fans will revolt if we don't get answers on a few pressing Island mysteries. I've compiled my personal top 5 here. Vote in the poll for your own Island mysteries, and we'll see which ones are solved later tonight.
<INS>5. Bram and Ilana</INS>

These two characters from Ajira flight 316 could have simply been background dressing. In a classic Lost reversal, we were led to believe that Caesar was the important new character among the crash survivors, an illusion that was quickly shot when he was... well, shot. Since then their image has turned increasingly hostile. They've taken over the Ajira survivors, including Frank Lapidus as their hostage. We also got a glimpse of Bram in 2004, when he kidnapped Miles and urged him not to work for Charles Widmore. He claimed he works for "the side that's going to win." But whose side are they on? Why take control of the Ajira survivors?
Then there's the mysterious question that the characters seem to ask as a test: "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" A nice reference to my #4 mystery.
Chances of Actually Solving It 50%
Bram and Ilana haven't been featured in any of the recent episodes, instead focusing on Locke's new quest and Jack's plot with the hydrogen bomb. Whatever they're up to, we're due to see more of it, but the writers could decide to focus on those two main plots and leave this one for next season.
<INS>4. The Statue</INS>

The Lost writers love a good tease, and almost no mysteries have been teased as long and vaguely as the giant, four-toed statue. Our first reference to it was way back in season two, when Sayid saw the wreckage of it and commented on its four toes. We didn't get another look until this season, when we saw its back from a distance. Bram and Ilana's question regarding the statue raises questions about both them, and the significance of it to the Island's mythology.
Theories have ranged on the statue's identity. Given the Egyptian motif taking root this season, the most popular theories are that it is a statue of Anubis or Horace. Even if either of those are the case, who built the statue, and for what purpose? Why does it have four toes? And how was it destroyed?
Chances of Actually Solving It 5%
The writers love a good tease, and I have a feeling they're not nearly done with this one yet. It connects to so many other Island mysteries - the Shadow question, Egyptian motifs, the history of the Island - that they may save it for the very end. On the other hand, we're not certain if the statue is whole in 1977, so it could be Jack's hydrogen bomb that cuts it off at the shin.
<INS>3. Richard Alpert</INS>

Alpert is a fun character; both a source of wisdom and an unquestioning follower, we've been told he works as an adviser of sorts for the Island Natives (aka Hostiles aka Others). We've always had questions about the man. Why doesn't he age? What is his exact role? Why does he wear so much eyeliner? But the latest episode just gave us a new mystery to chew on. When Locke requested to see Jacob, Richard was hesitant. His ensuing discussion with Ben implies that he would rather keep Locke from coming in contact with Jacob, which brings up serious questions about his loyalties to the Island's newly dubbed leader.
Chances of Actually Solving It 75%
Chances are we won't find out all of Richard's mysteries, like his amazing youth. But with Locke dead-set on seeing Jacob, we're certain to at least get more hints on why he was so reluctant in the first place, and why he sees Locke's new mission as a problem.
<INS>2. Changing History</INS>

Until a few episodes ago, this was apparently impossible. "Whatever happened, happened," said Daniel. It was even an episode title. Now Daniel has presented an alternate theory. The variables, the humans, can change the course of their own destiny. A line cut from the episode, discussed on the official podcast, tells us that tossing pebbles into a stream will only cause ripples, but throwing a boulder can change the course of the entire river. This is the new theory of time travel, and Jack has taken it to heart.
Insistent that he can save everyone some misery, as well as a few lives, Jack wants to enact Daniel's plan to change their own history. Of course, it might kill everyone, which fits nicely with Richard claiming he saw everyone die. We're still not sure Daniel's plan will work, or if it will work as intended. What are the consequences of changing the future? Will the plan work at all, or will it doom everyone as Richard may have predicted? Most of all, what will it mean for Locke and others in present day, who have accepted their place on the Island?
Chances of Actually Solving It 90%
This is a big plot point leading into the finale, so it has to be addressed. A solid portion of the episode will be devoted to this, though it may end on the detonation of the bomb and leave us wondering about the implications of it until next year.
<INS>1. Killing Jacob</INS>

When Locke dropped this bombshell last week, jaws dropped along with it. Locke is communing with the Island on a deeper level than ever before, and it's led him to make a bold proclamation. The writers haven't given us any hint as to what his intentions are here. Was he speaking literally or figuratively? What is the purpose of this plan? Is it even possible to kill Jacob?
Chances of Actually Solving It 99%
If the hydrogen bomb plot is one big plot point to the finale, this is even bigger. Locke and his followers are currently on their way, and we're eagerly awaiting more. The creators have all but said that this piece of the puzzle will be at least partially filled in during the finale, so we just have to wait until tonight to see it.
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arrowheadnation
05-13-2009, 12:27 PM
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Chiefnj2
05-13-2009, 12:31 PM
<INS>4. The Statue</INS>

The Lost writers love a good tease, and almost no mysteries have been teased as long and vaguely as the giant, four-toed statue. Our first reference to it was way back in season two, when Sayid saw the wreckage of it and commented on its four toes. We didn't get another look until this season, when we saw its back from a distance. Bram and Ilana's question regarding the statue raises questions about both them, and the significance of it to the Island's mythology.
Theories have ranged on the statue's identity. Given the Egyptian motif taking root this season, the most popular theories are that it is a statue of Anubis or Horace. Even if either of those are the case, who built the statue, and for what purpose? Why does it have four toes? And how was it destroyed?
Chances of Actually Solving It 5%
The writers love a good tease, and I have a feeling they're not nearly done with this one yet. It connects to so many other Island mysteries - the Shadow question, Egyptian motifs, the history of the Island - that they may save it for the very end. On the other hand, we're not certain if the statue is whole in 1977, so it could be Jack's hydrogen bomb that cuts it off at the shin.
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I happen to think the statue explanation may be revealed tonight. Ben confirmed he thought the statue was twarepet (sp?). In 1977 people can conceive and give birth on the island. As far as I know the statute is still standing. I bet the "incident" results in the statute and part of the temple being destroyed and that causes the birth issues on the island in the future.

KingPriest2
05-13-2009, 07:16 PM
Alot of them were on the freighter when it blew up.

That's not right they said there were only 6 on the boat. Most of them were on the island still. Remember Faraday only had one trip ou to the freighter.

We will see tonite what happened to them
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Baby Lee
05-13-2009, 08:06 PM
I happen to think the statue explanation may be revealed tonight. Ben confirmed he thought the statue was twarepet (sp?). In 1977 people can conceive and give birth on the island. As far as I know the statute is still standing. I bet the "incident" results in the statute and part of the temple being destroyed and that causes the birth issues on the island in the future.

Rowffles.

Guru
05-13-2009, 08:08 PM
Guess John isn't Jacob. heh

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 09:48 PM
Damnit!!!

Guru
05-13-2009, 09:52 PM
Guess John isn't Jacob. hehI take it back.

irishjayhawk
05-13-2009, 10:01 PM
I knew what was in the box, which was lame.

I knew what the cliffhanger would be, but I loved it.

Spectacular finale.

Molitoth
05-13-2009, 10:04 PM
BADASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

Third Eye
05-13-2009, 10:04 PM
Ill be curious to see what the translation of Richard's response is.

Molitoth
05-13-2009, 10:08 PM
Waiting until 2010 is bad. =(

BigOlChiefsfan
05-13-2009, 10:31 PM
I kinda wish all my ex's got pulled by chains into a deep, deep hole chock full of anomoly and metals, where they'd get all noble and blow themself up w/a mini-nuke.

OK, that's a little harsh. What I really wish is that I'd taken more nekkid photos of all of 'em.

With that in mind I dub tonites episode in honor of Juliette and her firm and bouncy attributes...2 great hours of Rack and Ruin.

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 10:40 PM
I am going to miss them... I mean Juliette.

Guru
05-13-2009, 10:44 PM
Juliette isn't dead.

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 10:57 PM
Juliette isn't dead.

What's your theory on that?

irishjayhawk
05-13-2009, 10:58 PM
What's your theory on that?

Why do you think she is?

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 11:01 PM
I am assuming the H-Bomb exploded. Who knows with this show.

irishjayhawk
05-13-2009, 11:03 PM
I am assuming the H-Bomb exploded. Who knows with this show.

Right, so, wouldn't that mean everyone on the island is dead?

BigRedChief
05-13-2009, 11:12 PM
I am going to miss them... I mean Juliette.
They now live forever.
Angelina Jolei and Juliette. NSFW links

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/731524/elizabeth_mitchell_juliet_from_lost_and_angelina_jolie/

http://www.playboy.com/girls/celebrities/nudecelebrityscenes/elizabethmitchell/thumb3.html
http://www.playboy.com/girls/celebrities/nudecelebrityscenes/elizabethmitchell/thumb1.html

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 11:15 PM
Right, so, wouldn't that mean everyone on the island is dead?

Stop with all the facts. I too tired to think right now. :D

KCFalcon59
05-13-2009, 11:18 PM
They now live forever.
Angelina Jolei and Juliette. NSFW link

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/731524/elizabeth_mitchell_juliet_from_lost_and_angelina_jolie/

http://www.playboy.com/girls/celebrities/nudecelebrityscenes/elizabethmitchell/thumb3.html

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap:

arrowheadnation
05-13-2009, 11:20 PM
So many things running through my head. I really think I have quite a bit figured out though. Of course, I may be way off.

1. All of the dead people we have seen, all the ghosts, the black horse kate saw, etc. etc. etc. The man on the beach with Jacob, John Locke, Christian Shepard (on the island) have ALL BEEN THE BLACK SMOKE!

2. The "loop hole" is that the non-living (THE SMOKE MONSTER) cannot KILL Jacob. It had to find a loop hole. The loop hole being a living person. The smoke monster had to manipulate a living person into killing Jacob, and it finally did in the person of Benjamin Linus.

3. While Jacob lived in the cabin, he surrounded the cabin with that circle of black ash (perhaps some PERSON'S ashes) which apparently repelled the smoke monster. Remember back when Locke/Hurley and crew found the cabin earlier, they made sure to note the break in the circle. This allowed the smoke monster to get through and pose as Christian Shepard inside the cabin.

4. This whole thing has been Jacob vs. the Smoke Monster....THE WHOLE THING! We got in on the ground floor tonight when the guy on the beach said he was going to kill him. They've spent all this time in a back and forth struggle. Widmore just complicates things. He wants the island for his own personal reasons.

5. Rose and Bernard are the skeletons in the cave. When the bomb goes off, they seek shelter in the cave, and die there.

6. Desmond and Hurley are on a different level and still factor into this. I can't put my finger on it, but I know they do.

7. Remember, when the Black Rock was off in the distance at the beginning, that had the ancestors of Alvar Hanso on it. Alvar wasn't at all interested in science. The Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative all a sham to cover up Hanso/Widmore's search for and protection of the island. The DeGroots did get a little free research out of it...lol. It will be interesting to see the actual story behind the Black Rock's arrival. I'm sure it was just another group that Jacob rounded up to bring to the island, but since he couldn't bring them by plane (obviously), he brought them by ship.

8. The statue is Taweret, the Egyptian God of Childbirth.

9. The smoke monster, in the form of Christian Shepard told Locke he had to die. Not to get back to the island to "save everybody," but to eliminate him so it (the smoke monster) could take his (John Locke's) form and manipulate Ben into killing Jacob.

10. I have another theory. The other Ajira passengers are either VERY OLD or are decendents of those from the very early days of the island. And they apparently had the job of finding a "candidate" to take Jacob's place once he's dead. Hence the reason, Jacob met with Alana in the hospital. They were aware of the ramifications of the break in the ash ring at the cabin. Also during this scene, we see another clearer picture of Taweret on the piece of carpet/tapestry taken from the cabin.

11. If you have it taped, go back and watch the non-bomb scenes. The scenes with Locke/Smokey and the opening scene are monumental in this series' history. The opening scene laid out the ground work that would become the future of the island. It was good (Jacob in his white shirt) meeting evil (Smokey, in his dark shirt). The scenes with Locke/Smokey, Richard, Ben etc. give away bigtime tidbits of info. At one point, Ben explains that his dead daughter (the smoke monster in Alex form) threatened to destroy him if he didn't do everything Locke said. Locke then stops him and says "wait when did this happen." Ben replies, "when we went to see the monster." Locke, "so...you're willing to do whatever I say no matter what it is?" Ben..."yes." It's at that point that Locke/Smokey knows he has his loop hole. Jacob has been doing all the could throughout the history of the island to prevent Smokey from finding the loophole. Even going as far as saving Locke when he was thrown out of the building. He didn't make it in time to stop Ben from REALLY killing him though.

12. Another big scene is where they come up to the old Oceanic Camp. Locke/smokey tells them all to rest because they're "going to need it for what he has planned for them." Insert sinister laugh.

13. John Locke/Smokey tricked them all. They all bought it, hook, line, and sinker....even Richard Alpert. He knew how it worked. ONLY THE LEADER could request an audience with Jacob. Locke/smokey manipulated him though by accusing him of making the rules as he went and Richard fell for it, thus planting the final piece allowing the loop hole mentioned way back in the 1800's in the first scene to happen.

14. When Richard answered the question of what lies in the shadow of the statue and Alana showed him Locke's body, he knew that he'd been duped. This ENTIRE EPISODE was basically a race to see who could get to the finish first. Could Jacob's assembled group of people get the bomb detonated before Smokey could get the "loop hole" (Ben) to kill Jacob. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT SEASON!!!! DID THE BOMB GO OFF BEFORE BEN KILLED JACOB???

15. With his dying breath, Jacob said, "they're coming." Meaning the Ajira crew were coming with a candidate to take his place. That's why Locke shoved him in the fire so hastily. He has to stop them from instating a new "Jacob" or else he'll have to find a loop hole all over again.

I'll add more as it comes to me. I'm going to go back and watch the finale again.

Guru
05-14-2009, 12:47 AM
Nice recap.

mcan
05-14-2009, 05:42 AM
1. All of the dead people we have seen, all the ghosts, the black horse kate saw, etc. etc. etc. The man on the beach with Jacob, John Locke, Christian Shepard (on the island) have ALL BEEN THE BLACK SMOKE!

Certainly, Smokey is and has been a lot of the "ghosts". And now we see this sinister man also stealing identities, so it stands to reason that they might be the same entity. But I still think that "smokey" might be separate. I'm starting to think that this is a God/Satan parallel. Smokey is a "beast" who renders judgment and destruction on those who are unworthy. But the two characters we saw tonight are higher on the food chain, with similar powers.

2. The "loop hole" is that the non-living (THE SMOKE MONSTER) cannot KILL Jacob. It had to find a loop hole. The loop hole being a living person. The smoke monster had to manipulate a living person into killing Jacob, and it finally did in the person of Benjamin Linus.

I think the "loophole" will probably have more to do with a treaty of some sort. The same kind of reason why Ben can't kill Whidmore when he's off the island. It's against the "rules."

3. While Jacob lived in the cabin, he surrounded the cabin with that circle of black ash (perhaps some PERSON'S ashes) which apparently repelled the smoke monster. Remember back when Locke/Hurley and crew found the cabin earlier, they made sure to note the break in the circle. This allowed the smoke monster to get through and pose as Christian Shepard inside the cabin.

I think that the black circle is definitely some kind of protection circle and probably protection from Jacob's enemy. But I don't think he is smokey.

4. This whole thing has been Jacob vs. the Smoke Monster....THE WHOLE THING! We got in on the ground floor tonight when the guy on the beach said he was going to kill him. They've spent all this time in a back and forth struggle. Widmore just complicates things. He wants the island for his own personal reasons.

Why the dude wants to kill Jacob so badly, I have no idea. It could be anything at this point. I think they're trying to set up a religious parallel, like I said... Ties in with the theme of destiny and fate and all that. Also, there is the notion of good vs evil (backgammon, white vs black, etc...) and some of the arguments that the philosophers like Locke and Rousseau had about the nature of humans. Are we basically good people that get corrupted? Or are we basically corrupt people that do good things for selfish reasons? Jacob and his enemy are arguing about that at the top of the episode.

5. Rose and Bernard are the skeletons in the cave. When the bomb goes off, they seek shelter in the cave, and die there.

Could be, but if you remember, they went out of their way to say that whomever Adam and Eve are, they were PLACED in those graves by somebody. They may have been living there, but someone survived them and buried them in there.

6. Desmond and Hurley are on a different level and still factor into this. I can't put my finger on it, but I know they do.

No doubt in my mind. I think they BOTH will play a part in the return of Charlie, who (being a religious person) will probably play a part in the ultimate WHATEVER that this show has planned.

7. Remember, when the Black Rock was off in the distance at the beginning, that had the ancestors of Alvar Hanso on it. Alvar wasn't at all interested in science. The Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative all a sham to cover up Hanso/Widmore's search for and protection of the island. The DeGroots did get a little free research out of it...lol. It will be interesting to see the actual story behind the Black Rock's arrival. I'm sure it was just another group that Jacob rounded up to bring to the island, but since he couldn't bring them by plane (obviously), he brought them by ship.

Interesting. I've been wondering how Hanso ties into this... But that ship is a SLAVE ship. When they get the dynamite out of the Black Rock WAY later, there are skeletons of dead slaves still chained to the walls. Also, how the hell does the ship end up in the middle of the island? I assumed before that this was a "wrong place, wrong time" kinda accident from when the island was moved a long time ago. But now we see that the Black Rock (if that's indeed the same ship) came to the island by sea... Hmmm...

8. The statue is Taweret, the Egyptian God of Childbirth.

Very cool.

9. The smoke monster, in the form of Christian Shepard told Locke he had to die. Not to get back to the island to "save everybody," but to eliminate him so it (the smoke monster) could take his (John Locke's) form and manipulate Ben into killing Jacob.

Could be. I tend to think that Christian is benevolent though... Maybe it's wishful thinking, and Christian almost DID get Jack killed in season one (by making him fall off a cliff). Hmm... Actually, we KNOW that it was actually the IMPOSTER Locke that tells Richard Alpert to tell the real Locke that "he has to die" when he gives him the compass. So, you might be onto something here.

10. I have another theory. The other Ajira passengers are either VERY OLD or are decendents of those from the very early days of the island. And they apparently had the job of finding a "candidate" to take Jacob's place once he's dead. Hence the reason, Jacob met with Alana in the hospital. They were aware of the ramifications of the break in the ash ring at the cabin. Also during this scene, we see another clearer picture of Taweret on the piece of carpet/tapestry taken from the cabin.

I find it VERY interesting that Alana is the only one of that group that can cross the circle! That is, until she comes back and tells the rest of the crew that "he's not here." I think there is a supernatural element to the rest of the crew... Archangels?

11. If you have it taped, go back and watch the non-bomb scenes. The scenes with Locke/Smokey and the opening scene are monumental in this series' history. The opening scene laid out the ground work that would become the future of the island. It was good (Jacob in his white shirt) meeting evil (Smokey, in his dark shirt). The scenes with Locke/Smokey, Richard, Ben etc. give away bigtime tidbits of info. At one point, Ben explains that his dead daughter (the smoke monster in Alex form) threatened to destroy him if he didn't do everything Locke said. Locke then stops him and says "wait when did this happen." Ben replies, "when we went to see the monster." Locke, "so...you're willing to do whatever I say no matter what it is?" Ben..."yes." It's at that point that Locke/Smokey knows he has his loop hole. Jacob has been doing all the could throughout the history of the island to prevent Smokey from finding the loophole. Even going as far as saving Locke when he was thrown out of the building. He didn't make it in time to stop Ben from REALLY killing him though.

Two possibilities here... Either you're right and the dialogue in this scene is just expository, because it's two people talking about stuff that, if your theory is correct, they both already know. OR: The impostor Locke really has no idea what Smokey has done or said. That makes his next line "well good, then I won't have to convince you" make a lot more sense.

12. Another big scene is where they come up to the old Oceanic Camp. Locke/smokey tells them all to rest because they're "going to need it for what he has planned for them." Insert sinister laugh.

And we see yet another bit of foreshadowing the return of Charlie with the DriveShaft ring. Why else did Hurley bring back the guitar???? Is he supposed to leave it on the side of the mountain for Charlie to find when he's struggling with the heroin? Or is it foreshadowing the return of a buddy? I'm rooting for the latter.

13. John Locke/Smokey tricked them all. They all bought it, hook, line, and sinker....even Richard Alpert. He knew how it worked. ONLY THE LEADER could request an audience with Jacob. Locke/smokey manipulated him though by accusing him of making the rules as he went and Richard fell for it, thus planting the final piece allowing the loop hole mentioned way back in the 1800's in the first scene to happen.

I love the anger in Impostor Locke's voice in that scene. We really should have seen all this coming... Locke has been SOOOOO patient for the majority of the show, and ever since coming back to life has been VERY hasty... "I want to go NOW!" "I'm tired of waiting" etc... This guy has been waiting for hundreds of years to kick Jacob into the fire.

14. When Richard answered the question of what lies in the shadow of the statue and Alana showed him Locke's body, he knew that he'd been duped. This ENTIRE EPISODE was basically a race to see who could get to the finish first. Could Jacob's assembled group of people get the bomb detonated before Smokey could get the "loop hole" (Ben) to kill Jacob. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT SEASON!!!! DID THE BOMB GO OFF BEFORE BEN KILLED JACOB???

After some digging (as I don't speak latin) the answer to that phrase is "HE WHO WILL SAVE US ALL." Jacob being the savior! More religious allegory.

15. With his dying breath, Jacob said, "they're coming." Meaning the Ajira crew were coming with a candidate to take his place. That's why Locke shoved him in the fire so hastily. He has to stop them from instating a new "Jacob" or else he'll have to find a loop hole all over again.

Could be. We'll have to wait till 2010 to find out who "they" are. If Faraday was right, then the Ajira crew never comes to the island at all! Something is off though. Because Alpert says he saw Jack and Hurley and all those guys DIE back in the 70s. But he's not around for the explosion! Something has to give here. If the plan doesn't work then everybody is dead anyway. Holy hell, I can't wait for 2010.

Baby Lee
05-14-2009, 07:55 AM
It was good (Jacob in his white shirt) meeting evil (Smokey, in his dark shirt).

Who says one is good and one is evil? It appears that Jacob has been intent for eons on bringing sets of people in to play out a drama on the island, and for eons it has resulted in, can't recall the exact words, but basically conflict corruption and destruction. And it's clear he doesn't care how many times people are lured there, then begin the corruption and destruction over again.

Seems to me there's something in there about the two sides of agency, expelled from Eden but free to choose your own path. It's like he's replaying the 'Eve and the apple' scenario over and over and over to see if it ever turns out 'right.'

MoF, what I recall of O'Connor's 'Everything that Rises' [which Jacob was reading at Locke's fall] was a strong vein of pushing people to the edge to reveal their core character.

The 'evil' guy OTOH seems to be taking the Rose and Bernard route. Stop messing with people's lives and conniving to bring them here to fight and kill each other, and just enjoy your tropical paradise.

Chiefless
05-14-2009, 09:17 AM
Who says one is good and one is evil? It appears that Jacob has been intent for eons on bringing sets of people in to play out a drama on the island, and for eons it has resulted in, can't recall the exact words, but basically conflict corruption and destruction. And it's clear he doesn't care how many times people are lured there, then begin the corruption and destruction over again.

Seems to me there's something in there about the two sides of agency, expelled from Eden but free to choose your own path. It's like he's replaying the 'Eve and the apple' scenario over and over and over to see if it ever turns out 'right.'

MoF, what I recall of O'Connor's 'Everything that Rises' [which Jacob was reading at Locke's fall] was a strong vein of pushing people to the edge to reveal their core character.

The 'evil' guy OTOH seems to be taking the Rose and Bernard route. Stop messing with people's lives and conniving to bring them here to fight and kill each other, and just enjoy your tropical paradise.

Yes. I was thinking Jacob was the evil one too. It seemed to me that he "tempted" most everyone he cam into contact with. Candy for Jack. A pen for sawyer to finish his vengeful letter. Paying for Kate's stolen lunch box. Etc.

arrowheadnation
05-14-2009, 09:24 AM
Who says one is good and one is evil? It appears that Jacob has been intent for eons on bringing sets of people in to play out a drama on the island, and for eons it has resulted in, can't recall the exact words, but basically conflict corruption and destruction. And it's clear he doesn't care how many times people are lured there, then begin the corruption and destruction over again.

Seems to me there's something in there about the two sides of agency, expelled from Eden but free to choose your own path. It's like he's replaying the 'Eve and the apple' scenario over and over and over to see if it ever turns out 'right.'

MoF, what I recall of O'Connor's 'Everything that Rises' [which Jacob was reading at Locke's fall] was a strong vein of pushing people to the edge to reveal their core character.

The 'evil' guy OTOH seems to be taking the Rose and Bernard route. Stop messing with people's lives and conniving to bring them here to fight and kill each other, and just enjoy your tropical paradise.

The reason they resort to fighting and chaos is because the smoke monster manipulates them into doing it. For example, it tried to use the form of Yemi to cause issues for Ecko, but when he refused to react, it killed him. Ben didn't want to kill Jacob, but the smoke monster took the form of Alex and manipulated him into doing it.

A lot of people are saying the island is the Garden of Eden and throughout history God keeps bringing people to the island but the devil (smokey) keeps getting them banished. I don't necessarily buy into that though.

Molitoth
05-14-2009, 10:19 AM
Why is everyone so quick to assume that Jacob is the good guy?

irishjayhawk
05-14-2009, 10:44 AM
Why is everyone so quick to assume that Jacob is the good guy?

I'm guessing because the way the last scene of his played out. The expression on his face.

Baby Lee
05-14-2009, 10:49 AM
Just gotta wait until January to find out if Juliet gets the Desomond treatment, wake up nekkid in the woods. :drool:

Third Eye
05-14-2009, 11:12 AM
Widmore just complicates things. He wants the island for his own personal reasons.



I don't agree with this. I think he is an agent of the anti-Jacob. Or even perhaps Jacob's true follower and Ben has just been a dupe. Either way, I don't think his motivation is entirely selfish. There was a comment made by Richard earlier this season that makes me think this. I can't remember exactly what was said (I tried to find it, but apparently I only have the last 13 eps, and I think it was in the episode "Jughead"), but Richard makes a reference to Charles' and Ellie's union, and how odd it was. At the time, it gave me the impression that there may be more than one faction in the others. I didn't think about it again until the finale. Maybe I am mis-remembering, or misunderstanding, but I no longer have the ep. to check it.

arrowheadnation
05-14-2009, 11:18 AM
I don't agree with this. I think he is an agent of the anti-Jacob. Or even perhaps Jacob's true follower and Ben has just been a dupe. Either way, I don't think his motivation is entirely selfish. There was a comment made by Richard earlier this season that makes me think this. I can't remember exactly what was said (I tried to find it, but apparently I only have the last 13 eps, and I think it was in the episode "Jughead"), but Richard makes a reference to Charles' and Ellie's union, and how odd it was. At the time, it gave me the impression that there may be more than one faction in the others. I didn't think about it again until the finale. Maybe I am mis-remembering, or misunderstanding, but I no longer have the ep. to check it.
Since I wrote that last night. I've went back and watched the episode again. There was one thing I didn't mention that had to have been eating at Widmore all this time. While they were in the caverns, Richard mentioned that Ellie was their leader at the time. There can only be one leader at a time. I bet this angered Charles because he couldn't assume full power.

Chiefnj2
05-14-2009, 11:23 AM
I like it when Richard told Jack he had been off the island three times to see John Locke and never found him to be special.

tymania
05-14-2009, 11:26 AM
Yes it is.

When does Entourage come back.

Entourage starts July 12th according to Wikipedia

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 11:29 AM
Could be. We'll have to wait till 2010 to find out who "they" are.

I think it's very clear who "they" are: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Juliette & Sayid. The people that Jacob visited in the real world.

They're the key to him winning the "game".

Buck
05-14-2009, 12:04 PM
arrowheadnation, great stuff.

This is just a theory about what the loophole is.

The Loophole is that Ben wasn't supposed to return to the island, but since he did, there were no rules or something like that regarding what he could and couldn't do. So the loophole was him returning to the island.

I just realized this ties in with your theory about Ben being the loophole, but it explains why Ben is the loophole.

2. The "loop hole" is that the non-living (THE SMOKE MONSTER) cannot KILL Jacob. It had to find a loop hole. The loop hole being a living person. The smoke monster had to manipulate a living person into killing Jacob, and it finally did in the person of Benjamin Linus.

Chiefnj2
05-14-2009, 12:34 PM
I think Jacob is good.

NAMELESS: You're trying to prove me wrong.
JACOB: You are wrong.
NAMELESS: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
JACOB: It can only end once. Everything before that is progress.

buddha
05-14-2009, 01:12 PM
Ben was just a tool used by Smokie...I don't think it's more complicated that that.

That was a great episode last night. I kept thinking...where the hell has all of this been? The show has gotten so much better over the past season when the producers have had the balls to actually reveal some things. It took them four years to figure out that you can answer questions quickly as long as you direct the plot down new passages.

irishjayhawk
05-14-2009, 01:39 PM
I think it's very clear who "they" are: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Juliette & Sayid. The people that Jacob visited in the real world.

They're the key to him winning the "game".

Can Juliette be included? She was the one flashback that didn't include Jacob.

BigRedChief
05-14-2009, 03:04 PM
This one hurt a little bit, didn't it? Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmWZ8lTL5ONShS2r73FaMeWZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617)'s fifth-season finale, "The Incident," was one of the show's more morose and hopeless outings in some time. Many terrible things happened and there was just one lone puppy dog on the scene to help make things happier. (There's only so much the fuzzy fella can do!)

If you haven't watched yet, you really need to spin up that DVR and see what happened, but if you have seen tonight's episode and you're ready to discuss, grab some dog treats for Vincent and get in here...

SORRY: We hate to be the ones to break it to you guys, but the major death is Juliet. Yes, Locke is apparently dead too (since midseason) and Jacob got a shiv in the gut and things aren't looking so good for Sayid, but the tragic death we've been talking about for months is Dr. Juliet Burke, as played by the beautiful Elizabeth Mitchell (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AndNUktZWAFQpMt9yV2.sriZo9EF/SIG=11aq49l3h/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/contributor/33413). Who knows, maybe she will be back more than expected, but honestly, that was a tragic death scene if ever there was one, and they're not going to cheapen something that emotional and grueling with a lame reset in the sixth-season premiere. For that matter, we've read the script for the V miniseries and Elizabeth Mitchell (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AgFb940dV6sJxIBV2V48P7GZo9EF/SIG=11aq49l3h/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/contributor/33413) plays the lead character; it's just not some background role. For that, at least, we must give props to ABC. They knew they had a great thing in Ms. Mitchell and when her time on Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AirrJgPpQNGU5N2YQSHihO.Zo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617) was coming to an end, they at least had the sense to continue their association with her.


THE CURSED LOVE POLYGON: Here are tonight's key developments on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Juliet circuit:

Jate: The only thing Jack wants in life is apparently Kate, but as he told Sawyer, "I had her. I had her and I lost her." This was one of the many semi-pathetic declarations of surrender in this episode. Will no one fight for love? Kate, for her part, was wicked pissed at Jack for making her come back to the Island, but she still had his back anyway. Then again, she also had Sawyer and Juliet's backs, doing everything possible to help them fight the good fight.

Jawyer: Jack and Sawyer finally had the fistfight they've needed to have since episode three of Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AnXzCrHN3RLBHFuJW4hJmgiZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617). As Juliet said, it was good that Sawyer got it out of his system, and we're just glad we can check it off the Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ArDcRAluiuRAqJkb1ArlQIWZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617) to-do list. (But who won?!)

Kulawyer: Kate, Sawyer and Juliet made a formidable threesome as they stood up to Jack and his Dharma van of doom. Sigh. Couldn't they all have moved to Juniper Creek on Big Love (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ArGF4DTu4vAICsFCvIXUHwqZo9EF/SIG=113mek88l/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36538) or the Oprah-endorsed Yearning for Zion Ranch to be polygamistically happy and gorgeous together?
Suliet: We saw (straight through to the end of "The Incident") that Sawyer was never anything but loyal and loving with Juliet. Once the Island's leading screwup, Sawyer never so much as set a foot wrong in their relationship. As he put it, "I made a choice and I'm sticking to it." Sawyer would be (or perhaps is) a wonderful politician: No flip-flopping, ever. But…according to Juju, Sawyer looked at Kate a certain way, and that convinced "Blondie" that they were doomed, so she signed up for the apocalypse as a backup plan. As she told Sawyer, "I changed my mind when I saw you look at her…if I never meet you then I never have to lose you." Later, she parroted her mother and said, "Just because two people love each other doesn't mean they're always supposed to be together." Way to rip our hearts out, J.

Juliet Alone: Juju, you are the apotheosis of tragedy. Juliet killed herself (more or less) in a Shakespearean expression of despair, grief and hopelessness. Despite the heroic efforts of both Kate and Sawyer, Juliet made like her namesake from the play and cheerfully, melodramatically died of a dysfunctional relationship. And in the end, that's not cool…I truly thought our Juliet had more gumption.

Sawyer and Jack's Women: If you're keeping score (and we totally are), Sawyer is now three for three in boning Jack's would-be Island girlfriends (Kate, Ana-Lucia and Juliet). Two out of three of those women are dead. Kate, you better start watching your own back, because your two boyfriends might be bad for your health.


THE NUKE: It's not the fall that kills you…it's the hydrogen bomb. Juliet somehow didn't die after falling into the pit of despair. Alive but wishing herself quite dead just the same, she took a rock and detonated Jughead by hand. We'd usually say "you go girl" at this juncture, but the white-out ending put a fine point on the issue of thermonuclear weapons: It's never until after the bomb goes off that everyone realizes how absolutely ridiculous the nuclear option was in the first place.

LOCKE IS DEAD: Ilana had John Locke's body in a case, which means that the Locke who's been blithely walking around the Island is no longer original-flavor John Locke. Ben successfully killed original-flavor back in the real world, but what has reanimated him? What connection does extra-crispy Locke have to fellow walking dead guy Christian Shepherd? Does zombie Locke have a boss? If we come back in 2010, Damon and Carlton might tell us...
JACOB: In other, more mythological news, we finally met the much-discussed Island god called Jacob. Jacob is played by Mark Pellegrino (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Am62.stpH8_1DO7nWMMxnuOZo9EF/SIG=11anlgf0b/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/contributor/52379), whom you Dexter (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Amt.8ro80jdbpF8m4X9M_h.Zo9EF/SIG=113odgkuq/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/38195) fans will remember from his role as Rita's abusive ex Paul.


• Jacob is the old man who lived in a foot. • Jacob thinks Ben is beneath contempt. • Jacob has a BFF (best frienemies forever!) who wants to kill him, but it's not possible for some reason. • Jacob likes to spin his own thread (even though it takes a long time) and weave tapestries, and leave shreds of them as mementoes on walls in cabins. • Jacob made Richard Alpert into the ageless wonder that he is. (Jacob takes no credit for Richard Alpert's fabulous eyelashes.) • Jacob is corporeal enough that he can be killed, thanks to the tag team of Locke and Ben.

FLASHBACKS: Wonderful to see some old-fashioned expository flashbacks of our main characters! They were arguably Jacob-centric, as he stepped off the Island to push the pieces around the board to his satisfaction, but his agenda seemed to be to make sure that the Losties got on the various paths that eventually brought them to the Island: Kate became an flirtatious, amoral wench with an affinity for Patsy Cline; Sawyer was a punk consumed by vengeance; Juliet learned not to trust in love; Sun and Jin were lovers with terrible communication skills; Locke ended up a paraplegic dupe; Jack became an emotionally needy fixer; Sayid reverted to his familiar lone wolf status; etc.

BLACK ROCK/RICHARD: Was that the Black Rock on the horizon in the first scene between Jacob and the guy played by Titus Welliver (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AhIQFa16iiOixUzr8aHOTLeZo9EF/SIG=11adbn072/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/contributor/35638)? It has to be, right? Seriously, how many clipper ships can one show support? And do we all agree that Ricardos, aka Richard Alpert, was likely a Black Rock sailor before Jacob got his magical mitts on him?

MICHAEL EMERSON: Gotta love Memerson. Even when Ben is committing murder in a fit of childish pique—"Why him? What was so wrong with me? What about me?"—he still has more dignity than the next 20 men.
LOCKE VERSUS JACK: At the moment, the man in charge is dead zombie Locke. According to Ben, Locke's not just the leader, he's well and truly a Moses of his people. Do you buy that? Do you think that by the end of series Locke will have liberated his people from bondage?

SAYID IS MR. ORANGE: Sayid has always been the most lost of causes, past the point of no return before we even met him, and tonight he reiterated, "Nothing can save me." That is so sad and has so many layers of meaning. Also, OMG, Jacob intervened in Sayid's life to make sure Nadia was run down and killed. Hey, Ben, do us all a favor and stab Jacob a few more times, willya? Evil freak. (Oh, and speaking of whimsical vengeance, was anyone else bummed that Phil didn't die by Sawyer's hand but by accidental rebar impalement?)

LOSTIES! Rose, Bernard and Vincent were all rediscovered, and Rose laid the smack down, like she always does. "Oh hell no…BERNARD! They found us." Renard have been happily retired from the Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AhlL2b5ImCZaxZ71.kNVUquZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617) craziness for the past three years, enjoying their quiet place by the ocean and each other's company. Rose and Bernard have a simple, clutter-free value system that they live and die by. Fantastic.

EASTER EGGS

• The colors of the final Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Au.D_xOiVCToWjz0XAn0swmZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617) logo were reversed: black on white intead of white on black. Does that mean season six will be an inverted bizarro world, or was this season the inverted bizarro world? (And not to whine, but can't we all go back to the beach camp and hang out together? I had such a fit of nostalgia when Sun found Aaron's crib and Charlie's Drive Shaft ring, and for that matter, when the gang got together to attack Radzinsky's well-defended Fort Swan.) • Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all." But which of the fellas now in the shadow of the statue is the savior? Is it Ben, dead Locke, now-dead Jacob, or a player to be named later? • We've spent years wondering what it means to be on a list or to be special on Lost (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AlK40HtTy5w9YqTBmAfByDSZo9EF/SIG=113fhsei6/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/show/36617), and there was another hint tonight about this aspect of the show. Ilana and Bram debated Frank's worth and wondered out loud, "What, you think he's a candidate?" Hopefully next season this business of listy specialness and candidacy will be explained once and for all! • Jack was trying to buy an Apollo bar in his hospital flashback. • Radzinsky spent eight years designing the Swan. • While waiting for Anthony Cooper to push Locke out of an eighth-floor window, Jacob was reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge.

MYTHOLOGY
This episode seemed to be positively chock-full of allusions to ancient mythologies. Here are some highlights:
Ancient Egyptian:

• Jacob's tapestry appeared to depict a winged sun, which is a key icon of ancient Egyptian art. • There were also three jars in Jacob's temple. Any chance those are the canopic jars that typically contain the organs of ancient Egyptian mummies? • Is the statue the crocodile-headed Egyptian god Sobek, representative of Nile fertility, or is it another member of the Egyptian pantheon? Michael Emerson (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtgpvzF8N5C6__Y6T200ZtuZo9EF/SIG=11baov3tl/**http%3A//tv.yahoo.com/contributor/371531) says it's Taweret, a hippo-headed Egyptian goddess of childbirth, but those teeth look crocodilian to me...What's your call?
• Jin said that him being away from like Sun was wrong like the "sky being apart from the earth." In Egyptian mythology, the goddess of the sky is Nut and the god of the Earth is Geb, and as depicted in the image to the right, they are lovers lying together, forever mating and creating the world.
Ancient Greek stuff:

• There have been many references to the Odyssey in the show and another oblique one would appear to be Jacob's hobby of wiling away eternity by weaving a tapestry. The original Penelope (Odysseus' wife, not Desmond's girl) warded off the many suitors who wanted to court her by saying she would consider their offers once her tapestry was finished. She wove during the day…and unraveled her work every night, buying herself endless time to wait for her man. • Another classical myth worth mentioning is the Fates (Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos), the three sister weavers of destiny, who manipulate our mortal lives with their spinning, measuring and cutting of thread.

Contemporary fairy-tale stuff

• You can't throw a spinning wheel and spindle into a story without reminding us of Sleeping Beauty, and her affiliation with Dorothy Gale and all the other dreamers of myth and legend. Our Losties surely have been living in a dreamtime since this tale began. Will they ever be able to awake?
QUESTIONS:

• What language were Ilana and Jacob speaking to each other in the hospital? • Sorry, but who do Ilana and Bram work for? They say they are the good guys, but let's just skip to their chain of command for a second: Who's the boss? Widmore? Jacob? Someone else? Very confusing. • Jacob's last words were: "They're coming." But who is they? The extras on the beach or someone else?
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DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 03:29 PM
.

Whoever wrote this completely missed the meaning of the episode and everything else about it.

Buck
05-14-2009, 03:34 PM
They now live forever.
Angelina Jolei and Juliette. NSFW links

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/731524/elizabeth_mitchell_juliet_from_lost_and_angelina_jolie/

http://www.playboy.com/girls/celebrities/nudecelebrityscenes/elizabethmitchell/thumb3.html
http://www.playboy.com/girls/celebrities/nudecelebrityscenes/elizabethmitchell/thumb1.html

I just emailed these to myself for later viewing.

noa
05-14-2009, 04:02 PM
Great finale. The one thing it was missing was a gruesome Radzinsky death.

KingPriest2
05-14-2009, 04:26 PM
Damnit!!!

There is a theory going around where that flight 815 was not suppose to crash and that the next plane was the original crash.
But they are suppose to be on the island. Jacob was preparing for last nite. So he made sure that they returned to the island. The nuke going off destroyed the swan statuin so now it will never be built so no button to press and no 815 crash.

Hurley is far important then what people are thinking he is the varible and Desmond is the constant.

When Jacob was saying they are coming he did mean the 1977 losties.

Also supposedly Locke has been dead since episode 7 and Esau has been planning it since then using Ben as a pawn.

Locke needed to die for both. He was a sacrifice that needed to happen.

What about Locke and Rose being cured?

Richard was on the Black Rock
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Baby Lee
05-14-2009, 04:45 PM
Great finale. The one thing it was missing was a gruesome Radzinsky death.

If destiny holds, he's yet to paint the Swan hatch ceiling with his brains.

Buck
05-14-2009, 04:56 PM
I'm ready for the Zombie season myself.

keg in kc
05-14-2009, 06:20 PM
I haven't watched it yet, but I'm assuming something happens to Juliet.

Which isn't a surprise...she's one of the lead's in ABC's remake of "V" due this fall, as I'm sure someone has probably mentioned way before now.

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 06:25 PM
I haven't watched it yet, but I'm assuming something happens to Juliet.

Which isn't a surprise...she's one of the lead's in ABC's remake of "V" due this fall, as I'm sure someone has probably mentioned way before now.

Yeah but that's been filmed and no one knows whether or not it'll make it past the planned mini-series.

There's only 17 hours left of LOST and it's doubtful that she's in every scene.

If the producers of LOST need her next season, she'll be there. She won't be written out because of "V".

Baby Lee
05-14-2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah but that's been filmed and no one knows whether or not it'll make it past the planned mini-series.

There's only 17 hours left of LOST and it's doubtful that she's in every scene.

If the producers of LOST need her next season, she'll be there. She won't be written out because of "V".

What I can't reconcile is Juliet being gone without a big chunk of a cast also being gone. It' not like she detonated a hand grenade.

Maybe the only Lostie still alive is Sun, and Aaron.

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 06:42 PM
What I can't reconcile is Juliet being gone without a big chunk of a cast also being gone. It' not like she detonated a hand grenade.

Maybe the only Lostie still alive is Sun, and Aaron.

Hmm.

The way I see is that once that bomb was detonated (if it was a bomb and not another time-shift), is that everything will be different.

Jacob isn't killed by Ben, 815 never crashes, nothing.

It'll be as if a new time line has been created.

JASONSAUTO
05-14-2009, 06:44 PM
Hmm.

The way I see is that once that bomb was detonated (if it was a bomb and not another time-shift), is that everything will be different.

Jacob isn't killed by Ben, 815 never crashes, nothing.

It'll be as if a new time line has been created.

then why the fuck have another season? to see what WOULD have been

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 06:46 PM
then why the fuck have another season? to see what WOULD have been

I think to find out what happened to the people that Jacob visited and ultimately changed the outcome of the endgame.

JASONSAUTO
05-14-2009, 06:49 PM
I think to find out what happened to the people that Jacob visited and ultimately changed the outcome of the endgame.

i wonder if jacob is REALLY dead, OR aaron is his successor. and ALWAYS has been. but if thats the case then why didnt it show jacob visiting claire? shit this cramps my brain. also why did jacob just break it down to hugo in the cab?

Guru
05-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Well, there is still the closing credit that was a negative of the normal closing. Next season we are going to see things from the opposite viewpoint maybe?

scorpio
05-14-2009, 09:16 PM
There is a theory going around where that flight 815 was not suppose to crash and that the next plane was the original crash.
But they are suppose to be on the island. Jacob was preparing for last nite. So he made sure that they returned to the island. The nuke going off destroyed the swan statuin so now it will never be built so no button to press and no 815 crash.

Hurley is far important then what people are thinking he is the varible and Desmond is the constant.

When Jacob was saying they are coming he did mean the 1977 losties.

Also supposedly Locke has been dead since episode 7 and Esau has been planning it since then using Ben as a pawn.

Locke needed to die for both. He was a sacrifice that needed to happen.

What about Locke and Rose being cured?

Richard was on the Black Rock
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I didn't comprehend 2/3 of what you wrote but I agree that Jacob's nemesis is probably Esau and not the smoke monster.

Chiefless
05-14-2009, 09:55 PM
So...If the H-bomb works like Faraday predicts then the 815 crash will have never happened. But, three years have elapsed. So...are they going to simply wake up three years AFTER the plane should have crashed with no memory of the lives they led to free themselves from the island?

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 10:34 PM
So...If the H-bomb works like Faraday predicts then the 815 crash will have never happened. But, three years have elapsed. So...are they going to simply wake up three years AFTER the plane should have crashed with no memory of the lives they led to free themselves from the island?

No, they'll "wake up" on the plane.

And Juliet will be in Seattle because there is no Dharma Initiative.

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 10:34 PM
I didn't comprehend 2/3 of what you wrote but I agree that Jacob's nemesis is probably Esau and not the smoke monster.

I truly hope it's not this "Biblical" but either way, Jacob's nemesis IS the smoke monster.

Guru
05-14-2009, 10:40 PM
No, they'll "wake up" on the plane.

And Juliet will be in Seattle because there is no Dharma Initiative.Thats what I had to explain to my wife when it ended. She would never have even been on the island.

One big thing here though....

When the "bomb" went off, it looked more like a time flash like earlier in the season. We are making what we feel is the "logical" assumption but we know what this show seems to think of logic. heh

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 10:59 PM
Thats what I had to explain to my wife when it ended. She would never have even been on the island.

One big thing here though....

When the "bomb" went off, it looked more like a time flash like earlier in the season. We are making what we feel is the "logical" assumption but we know what this show seems to think of logic. heh

Well, there are two possibilities, IMO.

1. Juliet detonated the bomb, sending everyone to 2004 and alternate lives.
2. The island shifted in time just before the detonation, sending everyone somewhere else in time.

My guess is number one. We'll know sometime in January 2010!

Guru
05-14-2009, 11:06 PM
Well, there are two possibilities, IMO.

1. Juliet detonated the bomb, sending everyone to 2004 and alternate lives.
2. The island shifted in time just before the detonation, sending everyone somewhere else in time.

My guess is number one. We'll know sometime in January 2010!I think option 2 would be more interesting.

WAtching them go back to what their normal lives would have been is not interesting to me at all. Unless this is the last we see of the main cast and now we are going to focus solely on who is still left on the island. We know the island is not "blown up".

arrowheadnation
05-14-2009, 11:06 PM
From what I've been told, Juliet's (Elizabeth Mitchell) time on the show is over, unless it's a small guest roll. She got the lead in a pilot for a show called "V".

Guru
05-14-2009, 11:15 PM
From what I've been told, Juliet's (Elizabeth Mitchell) time on the show is over, unless it's a small guest roll. She got the lead in a pilot for a show called "V".Heh. This has already been covered quite a few times.;)

DaneMcCloud
05-14-2009, 11:22 PM
From what I've been told, Juliet's (Elizabeth Mitchell) time on the show is over, unless it's a small guest roll. She got the lead in a pilot for a show called "V".

As Guru said, this has been covered.

And besides that, it's simply not true. "V" is a mini-series and no one knows if it'll grab the kind of ratings that will allow it to stay on-air. Furthermore, it's not out of the realm of possibility that she could do both shows.

arrowheadnation
05-15-2009, 12:14 AM
lol...wow....I'm blind. How the fuck did I miss that? In more breaking news brought to you by aarowheadnation, two brothers in North Carolina are hard at work on a flying machine that they believe will revolutionize travel in the world.

Guru
05-15-2009, 12:22 AM
lol...wow....I'm blind. How the **** did I miss that? In more breaking news brought to you by aarowheadnation, two brothers in North Carolina are hard at work on a flying machine that they believe will revolutionize travel in the world.ROFL:clap:

kysirsoze
05-15-2009, 03:18 AM
All I know is if they are going to allow them to change the future, they never should have introduced so much pseudo-science to the mix. It's just silly. People are the variable?? Then they should have been changing things the whole time they were in the 70's! That's the whole point, that small actions change the future, not just nuclear detonations. Ugh... I guess we'll wait and see.


I had been having my doubts about this season for a little while, but the finale was great. My main regret is that Jacob was such a cool character and got killed two hours after we met him. I suppose he will probably return, though.

Wasn't it weird that he didn't seem to mind dying? I almost got the feeling he wanted to die. He certainly didn't do much to convince Ben to let him live, not to mention defend himself physically. Maybe he was ready to move on.

How does Walt fit in? Until you guys shoot it down with a better line of thinking, my theory is he is a candidate to replace Jacob. Remember how he could draw things to him, that he wanted? Like Jacob could draw certain people to himself on the island? HMMM??!??!!? (Sorry for the smugness if this has already been pointed out.)

Mr. Plow
05-15-2009, 10:39 AM
All I know is if they are going to allow them to change the future, they never should have introduced so much pseudo-science to the mix. It's just silly. People are the variable?? Then they should have been changing things the whole time they were in the 70's! That's the whole point, that small actions change the future, not just nuclear detonations. Ugh... I guess we'll wait and see.

Personally, I think everything that happened last night was supposed to happen and won't of changed anything.....or changed very little.


I had been having my doubts about this season for a little while, but the finale was great. My main regret is that Jacob was such a cool character and got killed two hours after we met him. I suppose he will probably return, though.

Wasn't it weird that he didn't seem to mind dying? I almost got the feeling he wanted to die. He certainly didn't do much to convince Ben to let him live, not to mention defend himself physically. Maybe he was ready to move on.

I thought it was weird that he didn't really try to stop from being killed. My guess is his death "had" to happen.


How does Walt fit in?

Walt seemed to be such an important character early on....is he coming back?

KingPriest2
05-15-2009, 01:01 PM
I didn't comprehend 2/3 of what you wrote but I agree that Jacob's nemesis is probably Esau and not the smoke monster.

815 was not suppose to crash. It was a mistake. But the losties are meant to be om the island. 316 was suppose to be the plane that crashed. This is a theory that is going around

The nuke did explode and destroyed the Swan Staion so therefore no button to push to make 815 crash

Jacob is saying the the 1977 losties are coming

Hurley is far more important to the show then given credit. People are thinking that he is the varible and that Desmond is the constant
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Chiefnj2
05-15-2009, 01:10 PM
815 was not suppose to crash. It was a mistake. But the losties are meant to be om the island. 316 was suppose to be the plane that crashed. This is a theory that is going around

The nuke did explode and destroyed the Swan Staion so therefore no button to push to make 815 crash

Jacob is saying the the 1977 losties are coming

Hurley is far more important to the show then given credit. People are thinking that he is the varible and that Desmond is the constant
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The big hole that I see in this theory is this:

815 doesn't crash and the Lostees all land, right? How does Ben get them all back on 316? Would they know Ben from a dream like Desmond remembering stuff? How does Kate get out of jail to get on 316?

KingPriest2
05-15-2009, 01:37 PM
The big hole that I see in this theory is this:

815 doesn't crash and the Lostees all land, right? How does Ben get them all back on 316? Would they know Ben from a dream like Desmond remembering stuff? How does Kate get out of jail to get on 316?

He doesn't The theory is that thay are suppose to be on that plane.
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BigRedChief
05-15-2009, 01:42 PM
What is the deal with the numbers and Hurley? That was a big mystery for a long time on the show?

Mr. Plow
05-15-2009, 02:06 PM
He doesn't The theory is that thay are suppose to be on that plane.
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Where are you ready this theory at? Curious to read up on it.

KingPriest2
05-15-2009, 02:25 PM
Where are you ready this theory at? Curious to read up on it.

My sister told me about it. She read it somewhere I will find out where for you. She is big into Lost
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keg in kc
05-16-2009, 05:49 PM
Yeah but that's been filmed and no one knows whether or not it'll make it past the planned mini-series.Announced late last night that they're taking it to series.

I'm also quite happy to see that ABC has renewed Castle for a second season. I don't usually do procedurals, but that's my second favorite new show of the year (behind Fringe). It got really, really good as the year went on.

As for Lost, I haven't finished the finale yet. It's started pretty good though.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2009, 05:56 PM
Announced late last night that they're taking it to series.

That's all well and good but the ratings may be so poor that the show's canceled after a few episodes. It's just so hard to predict.

keg in kc
05-16-2009, 06:19 PM
That's all well and good but the ratings may be so poor that the show's canceled after a few episodes. It's just so hard to predict.I'm not making a prediction either way. You know how it works, though. They won't just be putting one or two episodes in the can, now that they've given a series order.

She's not a major character on lost in any case so it's not like they can't have her in both places (although I'm not sure how much of impediment the fact that it shoots in Hawaii is).

But it wouldn't surprise me if she's gone (or mostly gone), whatever it is that happened to her (I'm only an hour in...).

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2009, 06:21 PM
I'm not making a prediction either way. You know how it works, though. They won't just be putting one or two episodes in the can, now that they've given a series order.

She's not a major character on lost in any case so it's not like they can't have her in both places (although I'm not sure how much of impediment the fact that it shoots in Hawaii is).

But it wouldn't surprise me if she's gone (or mostly gone), whatever it is that happened to her (I'm only an hour in...).

Normally, a network will order six episodes and make a decision from that point.

It's normally way too costly to produce a full 13 episode season and only air 5 or 6. With this economy (and fickle viewers), more are erring on the side of caution.

keg in kc
05-16-2009, 06:22 PM
I know.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2009, 06:45 PM
I know.

Oh, sorry.

Guru
05-16-2009, 06:54 PM
Oh, sorry.:eek:

keg in kc
05-16-2009, 06:54 PM
:eek:65 seals to go, and then Lucifer is free!

Frazod
05-16-2009, 08:23 PM
So Locke is Anubis, right?

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2009, 09:17 PM
65 seals to go, and then Lucifer is free!

:evil:

Mr. Plow
05-16-2009, 09:30 PM
65 seals to go, and then Lucifer is free!


ROFL

Guru
05-20-2009, 02:48 AM
What if there is something Sawyer can do to save his parents. Watching it a second time, that line really stood out to me.

Chiefless
05-20-2009, 01:17 PM
What if there is something Sawyer can do to save his parents. Watching it a second time, that line really stood out to me.

What if Sawyer really is Sawyer?

Buck
05-20-2009, 01:29 PM
What if Sawyer really is Sawyer?

You think Sawyer is Anthony Cooper?

I don't think so.

KCFalcon59
05-20-2009, 02:17 PM
The line that stood out to me is when Bernard asked Juliette if she wanted some tea and she said maybe some other time. It just seemed odd.

Chiefless
05-20-2009, 02:19 PM
You think Sawyer is Anthony Cooper?

I don't think so.

I know...it would mean Sawyer slept with his own mother. ew. Just thought it was funny given that almost anything is possible in the world of Lost.

Guru
05-20-2009, 02:55 PM
The line that stood out to me is when Bernard asked Juliette if she wanted some tea and she said maybe some other time. It just seemed odd.That one bugged me too. there is a pic out there with some question as to whether or not Juliette is actually on the island with the current 2007 losties. The pic shows a significantly aged "juliette" but nobody can confirm whether it is "her" or somebody that just happened to look a lot like her.

Baby Lee
05-30-2009, 06:25 AM
Two things that continue to stick with me.

1. Sawyer asking Kate [as they rowed the raft to shore] 'whaddaya have a compass or something?'

2. How cool was it that we spent all this time forging a Locke/Jack rivalry turned comraderie for the payoff of Jack telling Guyliner not to give up on him. Guyliner had been to that point completely unimpressed with poor deluded Locke, and this was a [the] linchpin to future events.

Oceanic815Survivor
07-06-2009, 03:11 PM
The line that stood out to me is when Bernard asked Juliette if she wanted some tea and she said maybe some other time. It just seemed odd.

I think Bernard said that to Juliette cause he noticed her expression after Sawyer looked at Kate and its very much in his and Rose's character to be that comforting personality. Almost his recognition of her being upset. Plus big time foreshadowing what happens to her later

irishjayhawk
07-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Comic-Con Updates:

http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/07/lostits-so-hard-to-say-good-bye-to.html

As soon as I saw the final Comic-Con schedule, my heart sank, because "Chuck" and "Lost" were scheduled back-to-back -- in two different rooms, with "Lost" in Hall H, which is legendary for both its size and the length of its line. I had joked with Schwartz and Fedak that I might just bail on the "Chuck" panel 10 or 15 minutes early and let them conduct the fan Q&A portion, but thanks to some kind people and a willingness to sprint from Ballroom 20 to Hall H, I was able to stay for the entirety of "Chuck" and get into "Lost" with a minute or two to spare.

And it was worth the effort, I thought. I've seen Damon and Carlton in action before at TCA (where the above photo was taken last January), and I enjoy their podcast (more for the comedy value than for anything they reveal about the show, because they're so damn cagey), but I had always heard that, just as Reggie Jackson tended to play his best in the World Series, the Comic-Con stage was the idea venue in which to experience Darlton in action. They did not disappoint. I mentioned a lot of the good stuff on my Twitter feed (http://twitter.com/sepinwall), but I'll try to capture the some of the highlights after the jump...

After a few video clips (including fake opening credits for an '80s TV show about the Dharma Initiative, which is up on ABC.com), Damon and Carlton came out and said that, since this would be their final Comic-Con experience (they're not coming after the finale), they wanted to thank the fans and also to answer some long-standing questions. One of those was the famous "Are you making it up as you go along?," and they said they had a method to prove that they knew the ending from the beginning: they inserted the script pages for the final scene of the series into a vault with two keys, and promised to open it after the finale on "Jimmy Kimmel Live." (*)

(*) Said method was in service of a comedy bit, or else I'd point out that it wouldn't prove anything, unless they had locked away some notes five years ago.

From there, it was time for a mix of questions -- "We will be as honest and forthcoming as we never were," Lindelof promised -- fan videos (including a great mock opening credits sequence that made the show look like an '80s action series, complete with use of the "Magnum, PI" font (which was also used in that cool YouTube mash-up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYntjR4-pY4) of Magnum and Han Solo) and a hilarious freeze-frame on the "Lost" logo over Hurley running one of The Others over with the magic bus.

A fan asked about recent Darlton statements that season 6 would resemble season 1 in some ways.

"You'll be seeing many characters you haven't seen since the first season," Lindelof promised.

"There was a certain feel" to season 1, said Cuse. "They were running around in the jungle. Things felt intense and surprising...We feel we have a way to do that in the final season of the show that we like, and we hope you will too."

"It's really our goal to have you watch the final season of the show and not know what we're going to do next," Lindelof added.

Paul Scheer from "Human Giant" showed up to present the guys with a painting of them giving a thumbs-up while being embraced by a polar bear, and after some hedging on the fate of Daniel Faraday, vis a vis Juliet setting off Jughead, another fan asked about flashbacks.

"We are doing something different in season 6," Carlton said. "The time travel season is over, the flash-forward season is over. We have something different planned. Hopefully, you will like it, but we are not going to commit to what it's going to be."

Jorge Garcia appeared in a mock commercial for Mr. Cluck's chicken, then appeared in Hall H itself to ask his bosses if they were going to answer every question, noting, "The last time I trusted you guys, you said Nikki and Paulo were going to be awesome."

Damon cleverly said "Everything that matters is going to be answered," which gives them a ton of wiggle room in terms of what they feel matters.

Michael Emerson then came out to heckle Garcia's heckling of Darlton, and this turned into an argument about whether Emerson didn't like him because he really wanted to play Hurley, and when Emerson (who was, as you can imagine, hilariously sarcastic) denied auditioning for the role, Lindelof played some mock audition footage of Emerson, circa 2004, dressed as Hurley. Very disturbing. Very funny.

There were several Richard Alpert questions -- Cuse promised some Alpert backstory this season -- and when a fan with a thick Boston accent asked the inevitable eyeliner question, we cut to Nestor Carbonell backstage talking to himself in the makeup chair mirror -- "Richard Alpert's not immortal. You are!" -- and, of course, applying a ton of eye makeup. Carbonell would join Emerson, Garcia and other special guests on the stage.

Getting back to Jughead, Lindelof hedged about the survival of Juliet, noting that if the plan worked and time reset, she's fine, and if not, not, but, as with Faraday/Jeremy Davies, he expects to see Elizabeth Mitchell on the show this year in some capacity.

Emerson fielded a question about the fans' nicknaming Jacob's rival "Esau" by saying, "We sometimes deal in Biblical iimagery, but we tend to dance in and back away from it. That might be too much, but I like the way your mind is working."

"You're good at this!" Damon told Emerson, marveling at how impressively he non-answered that.

After a Sawyer tribute clip, Josh Holloway came out with a prop taser and pretended to stun Lindelof to steal his key to the script vault. (It was particularly funny because the taser sound effect was a good five seconds after Lindelof pretended to spasm, and because Lindelof had a hard time not moving around as Holloway stole the key. At one point, he had to lift his head up to help out.) After Holloway stuck Lindelof's hand in a pitcher of water, he threatened Cuse by telling him, "I will shock your friend JJ Abrams again!" (This led to one of the more overt references I've heard Cuse make about how Abrams hasn't worked on the show since season one.) Then he unlocked the box and struggled to read it, so Emerson (who's a great audiobook narrator) took over and began to read the following stage directions:

"'Exterior, circus tent, night... As the flames die, we find Sylar and Parkman...' What the f--k is this?"

We got one final montage, a necrology of all the dead characters set to Boyz II Men's "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday," with the biggest applause going to, in order, Charlie, Faraday and Mr. Eko. Charlie's segment was the last, and longest, because Dominic Monaghan (already at Comic-Con, having joined the cast of ABC's "Flash Forward") came on stage to wave to the crowd. He had something written on his palm, presumably "Not Penny's Boat."

And with that, the final "Lost" Comic-Con panel was over, and if we didn't know much more about the last season than we did going into it, at least we were darned entertained.

Buck
07-25-2009, 09:51 PM
I went to 3 Lost Comic Con panels earlier today. The one posted above was the largest.

By the way, written on Dominic Monaghan's hand was "Am I Alive?"

Today was the best fucking Comic Con Day EVER

Der Flöprer
07-25-2009, 09:55 PM
I went to 3 Lost Comic Con panels earlier today. The one posted above was the largest.

By the way, written on Dominic Monaghan's hand was "Am I Alive?"

Today was the best fucking Comic Con Day EVER

And to think, you considered not bothering at all...............

Buck
07-25-2009, 09:58 PM
And to think, you considered not bothering at all...............

Seriously.

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Fun little interview w/ Damon that my friend sent me. No real spoilers. However, there are interesting hints. I don't do spoilers at all and I didn't have a problem with anything in the interview.

http://usat.me/?7439

Buck
10-28-2009, 05:51 PM
Fun little interview w/ Damon that my friend sent me. No real spoilers. However, there are interesting hints. I don't do spoilers at all and I didn't have a problem with anything in the interview.

http://usat.me/?7439

Cool article, thanks for posting it.

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 05:52 PM
Thanks. I thought fellow Losties would like that. It's sort of bittersweet, but (I think) reassuring at the same time. I'm really hopefully and looking forward to the final season.

Buck
10-28-2009, 05:53 PM
Thanks. I thought fellow Losties would like that. It's sort of bittersweet, but (I think) reassuring at the same time. I'm really hopefully and looking forward to the final season.

Yeah I felt that way.

Although I don't know how long it could keep going on for.

That'll be a really awesome/shitty day when the finale airs.

JASONSAUTO
10-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Yeah I felt that way.

Although I don't know how long it could keep going on for.

That'll be a really awesome/shitty day when the finale airs.

agreed

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Yeah I felt that way.

Although I don't know how long it could keep going on for.

That'll be a really awesome/shitty day when the finale airs.
No joke.

I'm so happy that it's ending before it gets just terrible and ridiculous. Most shows seem to out stay their welcome. LOST is doing the right thing.

DaneMcCloud
10-28-2009, 06:23 PM
No joke.

I'm so happy that it's ending before it gets just terrible and ridiculous. Most shows seem to out stay their welcome. LOST is doing the right thing.

As I've said all along, they've always known the ending.

I don't think it would have ever gotten "terrible and ridiculous", just more backstory.

I'll be sad to see it end.

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 06:50 PM
As I've said all along, they've always known the ending.

I don't think it would have ever gotten "terrible and ridiculous", just more backstory.

I'll be sad to see it end.
I believe that they have always known the ending as well. The question has always been how will they get there? Darlton has admitted to spinning wheels from time to time because they didn't have an end date. I think the journey could have gotten a little out of control without a definate end in sight. I was sort of just repeating Damon's sentiments from the interview.

DaneMcCloud
10-28-2009, 06:53 PM
I believe that they have always known the ending as well.

No, they HAD to know the ending. As I stated earlier in this thread, you can't go to a major network with a show idea, ask for $3-4 million per episode but have no ending. They knew all of that before the show was greenlit as a pilot.

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 06:57 PM
No, they HAD to know the ending. As I stated earlier in this thread, you can't go to a major network with a show idea, ask for $3-4 million per episode but have no ending. They knew all of that before the show was greenlit as a pilot.
Dude, we AGREE. Seems odd to try and agrue with someone who agrees with you. But whatever... I'll say it again. I agree that they have always known the ending.

Buck
10-28-2009, 07:03 PM
I think Dane misread what you wrote.

They've said since day 1 theyve known what the last scene of the series is.

Only Damon Lindeloff, Carlton Cuse, and Matthew Fox know what it is.

DaneMcCloud
10-28-2009, 07:05 PM
Dude, we AGREE. Seems odd to try and agrue with someone who agrees with you. But whatever... I'll say it again. I agree that they have always known the ending.

Oh, sorry for the confusion. You said "believe" and I just wanted to let you know that with any concept show in order to sell it, the beginning, middle and ending would need to be established from the start.

That's a major reason for the failure of Heroes, which was touched upon by Lindelhoff in that interview. They left it too open ended.

If every season, the priority is to "save the world" and it is indeed saved, it no longer becomes a priority.

Red Brooklyn
10-28-2009, 07:08 PM
Oh, sorry for the confusion. You said "believe" and I just wanted to let you know that with any concept show in order to sell it, the beginning, middle and ending would need to be established from the start.

That's a major reason for the failure of Heroes, which was touched upon by Lindelhoff in that interview. They left it too open ended.

If every season, the priority is to "save the world" and it is indeed saved, it no longer becomes a priority.
Yeah, no worries. It's all good. I just thought you were pissed at me, and I really didn't understand that. :D

I used the word "believe" because (again in the interview I posted) Damon has said some people believe it and some don't.... I was just saying that I'm in the camp that whole-heartedly believes it. I'm with you. I really don't see any conceivable way that this show hasn't had a rock solid ending in mind since the beginning. And your previous posts just support that further. :thumb:

patteeu
10-28-2009, 07:16 PM
Yeah, no worries. It's all good. I just thought you were pissed at me, and I really didn't understand that. :D

I used the word "believe" because (again in the interview I posted) Damon has said some people believe it and some don't.... I was just saying that I'm in the camp that whole-heartedly believes it. I'm with you. I really don't see any conceivable way that this show hasn't had a rock solid ending in mind since the beginning. And your previous posts just support that further. :thumb:

Don't let him push you around like that. I think you're right and Dane's wrong so stick to your guns!

:evil:

irishjayhawk
10-28-2009, 07:58 PM
YEAH! STFU DANE!

DaneMcCloud
10-28-2009, 09:55 PM
Don't let him push you around like that. I think you're right and Dane's wrong so stick to your guns!

:evil:

YEAH! STFU DANE!

LMAO

Molitoth
10-29-2009, 10:33 AM
That's a major reason for the failure of Heroes

I have this show in my netflix que... are any of the seasons worth it?

Back on topic, I'm really excited for LOST to get started again... although I've been buried in "Dexter" and "Weeds". Dexter is amazing, Weeds has been "meh".

Red Brooklyn
10-29-2009, 10:45 AM
I have this show in my netflix que... are any of the seasons worth it?

Back on topic, I'm really excited for LOST to get started again... although I've been buried in "Dexter" and "Weeds". Dexter is amazing, Weeds has been "meh".
I don't watch Heroes. Too many of my friends are disappointed with it. However, everyone I know who has seen it, LOVES the first season. So...

Dexter is amazing. Though I've only seen the first half of the first season. I really like that show a lot.

Weeds was great for two seasons, I thought. Season 3 was weird and I actually really liked the way S3 ended. I thought it was very poignant. So I just pretended that was the end of the series. :D

LOST is the next in a long line of serials that I have loved dearly and seen come and go in my life. I've been really pleased with how most of them have ended (The Dark Tower especially). I'm hoping that I will be equally pleased with this show's resolution.

Mr. Plow
10-29-2009, 11:02 AM
Heroes season 1 is definitely worth it.

irishjayhawk
10-29-2009, 11:41 AM
I have this show in my netflix que... are any of the seasons worth it?

Back on topic, I'm really excited for LOST to get started again... although I've been buried in "Dexter" and "Weeds". Dexter is amazing, Weeds has been "meh".

Season 1 is pretty damn good. The finale is slightly underwhelming.

I don't watch Heroes. Too many of my friends are disappointed with it. However, everyone I know who has seen it, LOVES the first season. So...

Dexter is amazing. Though I've only seen the first half of the first season. I really like that show a lot.

Season 3 is okay compared to the first two but season 4 is shaping up well, aside from an annoying side character.

Weeds was great for two seasons, I thought. Season 3 was weird and I actually really liked the way S3 ended. I thought it was very poignant. So I just pretended that was the end of the series. :D

Weeds was great until they - quite literally - lit the show on fire at the end of season 3. It would have been a great season ending like you said, but since it wasn't, they literally lit their show on fire and have been grasping at straws since.


LOST is the next in a long line of serials that I have loved dearly and seen come and go in my life. I've been really pleased with how most of them have ended (The Dark Tower especially). I'm hoping that I will be equally pleased with this show's resolution.

One can only hope.

Heroes season 1 is definitely worth it.

Yep.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Two tidbits:

1) Reason for the promos being all old footage is that they aren't allowed to show any new footage. ABC is respecting Cuse and Lindelof's wishes there.

2) RETURNING FEB 2nd 9PM. Yes, that's TUESDAYS at 9/8C.

Red Brooklyn
11-19-2009, 04:32 PM
RETURNING FEB 2nd 9PM. Yes, that's TUESDAYS at 9/8C.
I was just on my way over hear to post this. :)

I was really hoping they'd push it back to 10pm EST. Oh well... still can't wait to get the LOST party started!

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2009, 04:38 PM
Two tidbits:

1) Reason for the promos being all old footage is that they aren't allowed to show any new footage. ABC is respecting Cuse and Lindelof's wishes there.

2) RETURNING FEB 2nd 9PM. Yes, that's TUESDAYS at 9/8C.

They don't want to break up their current Wednesday night lineup, which is doing very well for them and unlike LOST, has a future with the network.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2009, 04:40 PM
They don't want to break up their current Wednesday night lineup, which is doing very well for them and unlike LOST, has a future with the network.

Yeah, but it started on Thursdays, IIRC. So Thursday seemed to be the better option.

Buck
11-19-2009, 04:43 PM
Yeah, but it started on Thursdays, IIRC. So Thursday seemed to be the better option.

I think it started on Wednesdays for Season 1 and 2, went to Thursdays for Season 3 and 4, back to Wednesdays for 5, and now Tuesdays for 6.

Is American Idol on on Tuesdays as well?

Red Brooklyn
11-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Actually, I think it started on Wednesday (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't watch S1 as it aired, I started w/ S2 weekly), then moved to Thursday for a season, then back to Wednesday. Now it'll end on Tuesday. I, for one, like it being earlier in the week. Though, I would've preferred Monday night. Of course, you gotta think they're not going to want to compete with themselves and MNF.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2009, 04:44 PM
I think it started on Wednesdays for Season 1 and 2, went to Thursdays for Season 3 and 4, back to Wednesdays for 5, and now Tuesdays for 6.

Is American Idol on on Tuesdays as well?

Yes. Therefore, lots are expecting LOSTs numbers to suffer as Idol viewers time-shift LOST to watch Idol live.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Actually, I think it started on Wednesday (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't watch S1 as it aired, I started w/ S2 weekly), then moved to Thursday for a season, then back to Wednesday. Now it'll end on Tuesday. I, for one, like it being earlier in the week. Though, I would've preferred Monday night. Of course, you gotta think they're not going to want to compete with themselves and MNF.

Monday is a log jam clusterfuck. Chuck, Heroes, House, 24 just to name a few.

Buck
11-19-2009, 04:51 PM
I think Season 1 and 2 aired at 8 pm, Season 3 at 9 pm, Season 4 at 10 pm, Season 5 at 9 pm, I was hoping Season 6 would go back to 8 pm.

Red Brooklyn
11-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Monday is a log jam cluster****. Chuck, Heroes, House, 24 just to name a few.

I know. But I don't watch any of those.:D And I'm off on Monday... it's not a hassel to get home into time for the 9pm EST start time.

Seriously though, I'm good with Tuesday. Suits me just fine.

And, yeah, S1-3 aired on Wed. S4 changed to Thurs. S5 was back to Wed. FTR.

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Yeah, but it started on Thursdays, IIRC. So Thursday seemed to be the better option.

Except no one wants to go against CSI, even now.

Keep in mind that they've been losing viewers with each successive season.

Red Brooklyn
11-19-2009, 05:22 PM
It will be interesting to see what kind of numbers LOST gets in it's final season. I think some people who jumped ship years ago will come back (at least from time to time) to get the answers they so craved 5 years ago. Of course it won't make any sense to them and they'll find a reason to hate it. :)

But I predict, at least the finale, will get huge ratings.

Guru
11-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Except no one wants to go against CSI, even now.

Keep in mind that they've been losing viewers with each successive season.I think LOST would easily compete with CSI this year.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2009, 07:16 PM
Except no one wants to go against CSI, even now.

Keep in mind that they've been losing viewers with each successive season.

They lost me when they killed off Warrick and Grissom left. I still DVR it and occasionally watch it, but most of the time I just delete it.

Frazod
11-19-2009, 07:49 PM
They lost me when they killed off Warrick and Grissom left. I still DVR it and occasionally watch it, but most of the time I just delete it.

We still watch it, but it's not nearly as good now.

And that three-part show between Vegas, Miami and New York was HORRIBLE - absolutely fucking HORRIBLE - a stupid gimmick show that was obviously slapped together quickly. Some of the worst TV I've seen in a long time, featuring really bad performances from some really good actors.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2009, 07:54 PM
CSI I can still watch if in the mood. Same with CSI: NY. I can't stand to see CSI: Miami ads let alone watch that stupid ass show.

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2009, 07:56 PM
I think LOST would easily compete with CSI this year.

Probably but their lineup of Flash Forward, Grey's and PP are doing well.

Why screw up a good thing for 16 weeks is the thinking.

Frazod
11-19-2009, 07:56 PM
CSI I can still watch if in the mood. Same with CSI: NY. I can't stand to see CSI: Miami ads let alone watch that stupid ass show.

My wife likes NY, but I don't watch it with her. Neither one of us likes the Miami show. Does any actor on TV radiate DOUCHE quite the way David Caruso does? Even the hot female sidekicks can't save that mess.

Param
11-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Is the upcoming season the last season of Lost?

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Is the upcoming season the last season of Lost?

Si

Frazod
11-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Hey Dane, is David Caruso as much of a dick as he seems like he'd be?

Guru
11-19-2009, 08:51 PM
Probably but their lineup of Flash Forward, Grey's and PP are doing well.

Why screw up a good thing for 16 weeks is the thinking.had no idea. I don't watch those other two chick shows.

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Hey Dane, is David Caruso as much of a dick as he seems like he'd be?

Dude, he's about 10 times the dick he appears to be.

I had a friend that was a guest on his show. My friend played a "hardened" criminal. Caruso was interrogating him during a scene but called "Cut".

Caruso: Why aren't you flinching or showing fear?
Friend: Because I'm a hardened criminal that's done serious time. Why I would I be afraid of you?
Caruso: Alright Motherfucker, just do as I say. Act scared.
Friend: But if I'm a hardened criminal, why am I afraid of a CSI?
Caruso: Listen, Asshole. Once you're a big star, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Until then, you do what I say. Got it?
Friend: Yes

Frazod
11-19-2009, 10:01 PM
Dude, he's about 10 times the dick he appears to be.

I had a friend that was a guest on his show. My friend played a "hardened" criminal. Caruso was interrogating him during a scene but called "Cut".

Caruso: Why aren't you flinching or showing fear?
Friend: Because I'm a hardened criminal that's done serious time. Why I would I be afraid of you?
Caruso: Alright Motherfucker, just do as I say. Act scared.
Friend: But if I'm a hardened criminal, why am I afraid of a CSI?
Caruso: Listen, Asshole. Once you're a big star, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Until then, you do what I say. Got it?
Friend: Yes

LMAO Great story.

I hope your friend at least keyed his car.

Guru
11-19-2009, 11:17 PM
Dude, he's about 10 times the dick he appears to be.

I had a friend that was a guest on his show. My friend played a "hardened" criminal. Caruso was interrogating him during a scene but called "Cut".

Caruso: Why aren't you flinching or showing fear?
Friend: Because I'm a hardened criminal that's done serious time. Why I would I be afraid of you?
Caruso: Alright Mother****er, just do as I say. Act scared.
Friend: But if I'm a hardened criminal, why am I afraid of a CSI?
Caruso: Listen, Asshole. Once you're a big star, you can do whatever the **** you want. Until then, you do what I say. Got it?
Friend: YesI knew he was an ass but damn!!!!

Mr. Plow
11-20-2009, 08:43 AM
Dude, he's about 10 times the dick he appears to be.

I had a friend that was a guest on his show. My friend played a "hardened" criminal. Caruso was interrogating him during a scene but called "Cut".

Caruso: Why aren't you flinching or showing fear?
Friend: Because I'm a hardened criminal that's done serious time. Why I would I be afraid of you?
Caruso: Alright Motherfucker, just do as I say. Act scared.
Friend: But if I'm a hardened criminal, why am I afraid of a CSI?
Caruso: Listen, Asshole. Once you're a big star, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Until then, you do what I say. Got it?
Friend: Yes


ROFL

Honestly, I can see that playing out in my head. He just radiates an asshole vibe.

Baby Lee
11-20-2009, 08:51 AM
I have to sheepishly butt in here and repeat that Caruso played the best character in TV history for a season [first season of NYPD Blue]. Maybe it was Milch's doing but he was there. Of course he promptly shit all over it.

Buck
12-04-2009, 11:16 AM
Lost DVD and Blu-Ray comes out on Tuesday.

Damn them for making that Dharma Orientation Kit. I want it so bad, but I want my collection to be uniform so I won't be buying it.

BigRedChief
12-04-2009, 02:43 PM
109K views over 4K in posts over 5 years. Once this season is over this thread needs to go to the Hall of Fame

Guru
12-06-2009, 12:29 AM
I only count 3990 posts.

Fruit Ninja
12-06-2009, 01:07 AM
3391 its time for it to break 4k, even though it may come close to 5k when its over. lol

Stryker
12-06-2009, 02:00 AM
Lost DVD and Blu-Ray comes out on Tuesday.

Damn them for making that Dharma Orientation Kit. I want it so bad, but I want my collection to be uniform so I won't be buying it.

Once this season is over, I will NEVER watch it again! Fools will buy this on DVD/Blu Ray!

:shake:

BigRedChief
12-06-2009, 09:46 AM
I only count 3990 posts.I was saying by the end of the year #'s.

Red Brooklyn
12-06-2009, 10:50 AM
I have every intention of owning this fantastic series in both DVD and Blu Ray. And I look forward to watching every episode many many many more times over the next 50 + years.

Mr. Plow
12-06-2009, 11:41 AM
I have every intention of owning this fantastic series in both DVD and Blu Ray. And I look forward to watching every episode many many many more times over the next 50 + years.

This. I'm honestly waiting - and hoping - that they come out with the whole show in one box set so I don't have to buy each individual season.

Red Brooklyn
12-06-2009, 11:56 AM
This. I'm honestly waiting - and hoping - that they come out with the whole show in one box set so I don't have to buy each individual season.
I am buying each individual season on DVD. I started back when S1 came out. I have to complete the series.:D

Someday, I'm hoping for one big massive, expansive, super-duper, amazing, special, extended awesome, all inclusive complete series box set to come out on Blu Ray. I'll buy that in a heartbeat.

Guru
12-08-2009, 01:19 AM
This just isn't a show I would would want to own.

Guru
12-08-2009, 01:20 AM
I was saying by the end of the year #'s.I know. Just giving you crap.:)

Oh, and 3998

irishjayhawk
12-08-2009, 06:17 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=xs_gb_A26UAFWNVQVQS9?ie=UTF8&docId=1000454281&pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0M4RK4E6PZVE8WT7R1QS

Huffmeister
12-08-2009, 06:45 AM
4000! BRC is an oracle!