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BigRedChief
02-26-2010, 12:28 PM
Because they're the final six candidates.

Which means this game has been playing for a long, long, long, long, long time.But its its been a hundred years or whatever...why tdoes this time period provide the best final candidates?

DaneMcCloud
02-26-2010, 12:32 PM
But its its been a hundred years or whatever...why tdoes this time period provide the best final candidates?

I don't think that's necessarily the case: I just think they've all been eliminated for one reason or another and this is Jacob's final chance to find a replacement.

I don't think that Jacob necessarily thought it would come down to the final six. That's just the way it worked out.

patteeu
02-26-2010, 12:38 PM
Because they're the final six candidates.

Which means this game has been playing for a long, long, long, long, long time.

But there were a lot of numbers associated with other people. What distinguishes the final 6? Your answer really doesn't address my heartburn over this plot element.

patteeu
02-26-2010, 12:40 PM
who knows? maybe they changed the plot line?

Yeah, that's what bothers me. It seems like it was an afterthought rather than a cool reveal that was in mind from the beginning.

DaneMcCloud
02-26-2010, 12:42 PM
But there were a lot of numbers associated with other people. What distinguishes the final 6? Your answer really doesn't address my heartburn over this plot element.

What distinguishes them is that all of the other candidates haven't been worthy for one reason or another.

What distinguishes them is that they're the only ones left.

patteeu
02-26-2010, 12:43 PM
I don't think that's necessarily the case: I just think they've all been eliminated for one reason or another and this is Jacob's final chance to find a replacement.

I don't think that Jacob necessarily thought it would come down to the final six. That's just the way it worked out.

Which is part of why this reveal bothers me. Why were these 6 numbers the ones that had to be entered into the Dharma computer a few years ago (well before some of the other numbered people had been killed off).

patteeu
02-26-2010, 12:44 PM
What distinguishes them is that all of the other candidates haven't been worthy for one reason or another.

What distinguishes them is that they're the only ones left.

That's not a relevant distinction. You're not understanding my complaint. When it got down to 7, you could have said the same thing, but there weren't 7 numbers of importance in season one, there were 6.

Mr. Plow
02-26-2010, 12:56 PM
That's not a relevant distinction. You're not understanding my complaint. When it got down to 7, you could have said the same thing, but there weren't 7 numbers of importance in season one, there were 6.

With all the time travel aspects, could it be that someone went back and said that they were the important #'s which in turn led to them being entered in the computer, etc.?

DaneMcCloud
02-26-2010, 01:02 PM
That's not a relevant distinction. You're not understanding my complaint. When it got down to 7, you could have said the same thing, but there weren't 7 numbers of importance in season one, there were 6.

Because the others had been eliminated for one reason or another.

Did you notice Rousseau's name? I think it's fair to say that she was eliminated after she was "infected" and later killed, don't you think?

I think what you're asking is for more backstory behind the process - a prequel series if you will. But I'd recommend staying patient because I'm sure that more will be revealed.

There are 12-13 more hours of Lost to be aired.

DaneMcCloud
02-26-2010, 01:04 PM
With all the time travel aspects, could it be that someone went back and said that they were the important #'s which in turn led to them being entered in the computer, etc.?

Absolutely.

For all we know at this point, Faraday could have been involved with the number selection since he was there when they found the magnetic source.

I think it's too early to be disappointed with the amount of information they've revealed to this point.

patteeu
02-26-2010, 01:05 PM
With all the time travel aspects, could it be that someone went back and said that they were the important #'s which in turn led to them being entered in the computer, etc.?

I suppose it's possible, but does it make any sense or is it just a rationalization? Who was the last candidate eliminated before Locke and what was so different between that person and Locke versus the difference between Locke and the next to be eliminated? Is it a matter of how many are left when Jacob is killed or is some other factor the important line of demarcation?

Edit: Now that I think about it, it can't be the number remaining when Jacob is killed because Locke is already dead at that point.

patteeu
02-26-2010, 01:06 PM
Because the others had been eliminated for one reason or another.

Did you notice Rousseau's name? I think it's fair to say that she was eliminated after she was "infected" and later killed, don't you think?

I think what you're asking is for more backstory behind the process - a prequel series if you will. But I'd recommend staying patient because I'm sure that more will be revealed.

There are 12-13 more hours of Lost to be aired.

Absolutely.

For all we know at this point, Faraday could have been involved with the number selection since he was there when they found the magnetic source.

I think it's too early to be disappointed with the amount of information they've revealed to this point.

If they provide further explanation before the end of the series, my disappointment is subject to being withdrawn. I hope that will be the case.

Red Brooklyn
02-26-2010, 01:07 PM
Did Kate have a number? I don't remember seeing her name. (I still haven't seen this week's episode)
Yes. #51

Which is part of why this reveal bothers me. Why were these 6 numbers the ones that had to be entered into the Dharma computer a few years ago (well before some of the other numbered people had been killed off).
I don't think this is the "answer" to the numbers. I think there are the numbers. And there is a candidate out there that has a number that is one of "the numbers." And it just so happens that the 6 candidates are from Oceanic 815. But I don't think they necessarily equate. I could be waaaay off, of course. I think Dharma was using those numbers for different reasons than Jacob was using them. They don't correlate in that way.

Mr. Plow
02-26-2010, 01:07 PM
Absolutely.

For all we know at this point, Faraday could have been involved with the number selection since he was there when they found the magnetic source.

I think it's too early to be disappointed with the amount of information they've revealed to this point.


I could see that. Faraday knows they are "the 6" and goes back to make sure that they (the 6) are brought to the island for whatever the end result of this season is.

DaneMcCloud
02-26-2010, 11:15 PM
What if "Adam & Eve" are actually the skeletons of Jacob & MIB?

We have no proof that they aren't man and woman, especially considering that they both can take on any form.

Richard (eyes squinting): You??

Guru
02-27-2010, 12:31 AM
Who knows. I'm tired of trying to figure things out so I am just rolling with it for the rest of this season.

Red Brooklyn
02-27-2010, 09:47 AM
Who knows. I'm tired of trying to figure things out so I am just rolling with it for the rest of this season.
:thumb:

tymania
03-01-2010, 10:53 AM
Who knows. I'm tired of trying to figure things out so I am just rolling with it for the rest of this season.

i am too.. i hate to say it but the show needs to end. i am kinda glad this is the last season..

Brainiac
03-01-2010, 11:18 PM
Last year's finale was great with the whole Jacob and the other mystery guy scenes, and with the hint that the island is the site of some contest between the two that has lasted thousands of years.

This year has been a bit of a letdown after that.

tymania
03-02-2010, 07:39 AM
Last year's finale was great with the whole Jacob and the other mystery guy scenes, and with the hint that the island is the site of some contest between the two that has lasted thousands of years.

This year has been a bit of a letdown after that.

somewhat true.. but i think this season overall has been pretty good. Lots of good information so far

arrowheadnation
03-02-2010, 09:56 AM
Last year's finale was great with the whole Jacob and the other mystery guy scenes, and with the hint that the island is the site of some contest between the two that has lasted thousands of years.

This year has been a bit of a letdown after that.

And I'd bet my left nut that this season will end with Jack (the new "Jacob") and the Smoke Monster (in the form of Locke or Sawyer) on the beach waiting for the next plane to crash, cruise ship to run ashore, etc. to start the whole process over again.

Mr. Plow
03-02-2010, 10:02 AM
And I'd bet my left nut that this season will end with Jack (the new "Jacob") and the Smoke Monster (in the form of Locke or Sawyer) on the beach waiting for the next plane to crash, cruise ship to run ashore, etc. to start the whole process over again.


I've been telling my wife for awhile now that I bet the whole thing ends up being a cycle that plays over and over and over and.....well, you get the point.

Red Brooklyn
03-02-2010, 10:49 AM
Last year's finale was great with the whole Jacob and the other mystery guy scenes, and with the hint that the island is the site of some contest between the two that has lasted thousands of years.

This year has been a bit of a letdown after that.
This season has far exceeded my expectations in every possible way.

I'm glad it's ending now, though. As it ends on it's own terms, at the height of it's ability, it will seal it's fate as my favorite thing that ever happened to television.

... I hope it doesn't end as others have suggested... I won't be surprised, mind you, if it does. It would make senese... but I want something less predictable. Less obvious.

tymania
03-02-2010, 10:57 AM
This season has far exceeded my expectations in every possible way.

I'm glad it's ending now, though. As it ends on it's own terms, at the height of it's ability, it will seal it's fate as my favorite thing that ever happened to television.

... I hope it doesn't end as others have suggested... I won't be surprised, mind you, if it does. It would make senese... but I want something less predictable. Less obvious.

It is going to have an open ended ending no doubt about that, but how they go about the opened ended ending will be interesting to see

Red Brooklyn
03-02-2010, 06:45 PM
It is going to have an open ended ending no doubt about that, but how they go about the opened ended ending will be interesting to see
Totally agree. Open ended is fine to a degree. I just want it to feel like the best possible ending for the show. Whatever that means.

Mr. Plow
03-02-2010, 07:29 PM
Totally agree. Open ended is fine to a degree. I just want it to feel like the best possible ending for the show. Whatever that means.

Kate and Claire full on lesbian scene? Maybe throw in Juliet for good measure? Or bring back some of the other people from earlier seasons and just make the last hour one big lesbian orgy.

irishjayhawk
03-02-2010, 09:05 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed that episode.

Red Brooklyn
03-02-2010, 09:08 PM
:eek:
:bravo:
:drool:

arrowheadnation
03-02-2010, 09:15 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!!! Armys are forming. People choosing sides. Epic battle coming!!!!

Red Brooklyn
03-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Yeah. By far my favorite episode of the season so far. I wasn't running short on faith that the show's end would be satisfying and epic... but if I had been... this would have totally restored my faith.

... hold on to your butts!

Buck
03-03-2010, 01:22 AM
Man, that was pretty fucking epic, and I loved the Keamy scene (was he the guy that Jin was supposed to bring the money to?).

The ending reminded me of the end of a BSG episode, with that creepy music playing.

Locke + Sayid + Claire looked pretty fucking evil at the end. I feel bad for Kate.

Guru
03-03-2010, 01:47 AM
Man, that was pretty ****ing epic, and I loved the Keamy scene (was he the guy that Jin was supposed to bring the money to?).

The ending reminded me of the end of a BSG episode, with that creepy music playing.

Locke + Sayid + Claire looked pretty ****ing evil at the end. I feel bad for Kate.Locke had that look of "what the hell will I do with you" when he looked at Kate.

BigRedChief
03-03-2010, 07:37 AM
Man, that was pretty ****ing epic, and I loved the Keamy scene (was he the guy that Jin was supposed to bring the money to?).

The ending reminded me of the end of a BSG episode, with that creepy music playing.

Locke + Sayid + Claire looked pretty ****ing evil at the end. I feel bad for Kate.No way Freckles becomes a bad guy. Claire and Sayid are "possesed". They have an "out". Maybe freckles dies to save Jack or Sawyer in the end or something heroic like that in the final episode?

I agree with the other assesments. Kick azz episode.

tymania
03-03-2010, 07:42 AM
Very good episode! i have been waiting for an episode like that all season. That scene were Sayid fought Dogen was freakin sweet!
And Kate seems to be SOL at the moment..
WHere was Sawyer? thought he was with FLocke?

Mr. Plow
03-03-2010, 08:32 AM
Someone tell me the deal with the baseball that Dogen had. As soon as it rolled off the table and hit the ground, he stopped the fight with Sayid and when he died, they made a point to show him holding it under water.

I guess I should say, is there a deal with it?

tymania
03-03-2010, 08:56 AM
Someone tell me the deal with the baseball that Dogen had. As soon as it rolled off the table and hit the ground, he stopped the fight with Sayid and when he died, they made a point to show him holding it under water.

I guess I should say, is there a deal with it?

remember when Dogen went on that spiel about his life in the real world.. his son played baseball.. His son died in a car crash, Jacob made him a deal that he could bring him back to life, but Dogen would have to come to the Island and never see his son again.. So the baseball is all he has left of his son

Chiefnj2
03-03-2010, 08:59 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!!! Armys are forming. People choosing sides. Epic battle coming!!!!

Looks like one side got destroyed last night.

Steron
03-03-2010, 08:59 AM
Two weeks ago Jacob wanted to turn the lighthouse mirrors to 108 degrees. 108 stitches on a baseball. With baseball playing a part in this weeks episode, coincidence? No idea what it could mean but it is a numbers driven show.

Mr. Plow
03-03-2010, 09:00 AM
remember when Dogen went on that spiel about his life in the real world.. his son played baseball.. His son died in a car crash, Jacob made him a deal that he could bring him back to life, but Dogen would have to come to the Island and never see his son again.. So the baseball is all he has left of his son


Well now I feel stupid. I should have been able to put that together.

Mr. Plow
03-03-2010, 09:01 AM
One other question, why was MIB allowed to cross the ash and enter the temple only when Dogen was dead?

tymania
03-03-2010, 09:05 AM
Two weeks ago Jacob wanted to turn the lighthouse mirrors to 108 degrees. 108 stitches on a baseball. With baseball playing a part in this weeks episode, coincidence? No idea what it could mean but it is a numbers driven show.

I dont think the baseball has anything to do with the numbers.. i think its just a coincidence that there are 108 stitches on a baseball, and the hatch numbers equal 108, and that Jacob wanted the mirrors to 108 degrees..
I could be wrong, but im guessing the baseball doesnt have much to do with it. Not saying that 108 is not a important number in the show, there has to be some significance of the number 108

tymania
03-03-2010, 09:08 AM
Well now I feel stupid. I should have been able to put that together.

haha it happens..The question is.. did he really bring his son back to life.. or was he manipulating him?

Red Brooklyn
03-03-2010, 10:53 AM
One other question, why was MIB allowed to cross the ash and enter the temple only when Dogen was dead?
I have the same question. The only thing I can think right now is that it has something to do with the "position" that Jacob appointed him to. Maybe "the rules" say something about it.... ? That's the best I got right now...

BigRedChief
03-03-2010, 10:57 AM
haha it happens..The question is.. did he really bring his son back to life.. or was he manipulating him?Yeah, its looking more and more like Jacob could be the bad guy in all this, or at least its not so clear but whos the good guy and whos the bad guy. He has manipluated a lot of lives.

BigRedChief
03-03-2010, 10:58 AM
I dont think the baseball has anything to do with the numbers.. i think its just a coincidence that there are 108 stitches on a baseball, and the hatch numbers equal 108, and that Jacob wanted the mirrors to 108 degrees..
I could be wrong, but im guessing the baseball doesnt have much to do with it. Not saying that 108 is not a important number in the show, there has to be some significance of the number 108There are no concidences with #'s on this show.

tymania
03-03-2010, 11:07 AM
There are no concidences with #'s on this show.

right but the baseball thing has no meaning to the numbers at all... i bet the baseball doesnt come into play at all, we probably wont even see the baseball again now that Dogen is dead. If I am wrong feel free to stick it to me when the time comes

Mr. Plow
03-03-2010, 11:09 AM
right but the baseball thing has no meaning to the numbers at all... i bet the baseball doesnt come into play at all, we probably wont even see the baseball again now that Dogen is dead. If I am wrong feel free to stick it to me when the time comes


The last scene will be Jack throwing the baseball at Locke, hitting him in the head killing him, leaving 108 stitch marks on his forehead. :D

tymania
03-03-2010, 11:11 AM
The last scene will be Jack throwing the baseball at Locke, hitting him in the head killing him, leaving 108 stitch marks on his forehead. :D

ROFL now that would be an EPIC ending

Steron
03-03-2010, 03:33 PM
Interesting '108' references from the show. The baseball might not matter to the content of the show but it does tie into 108.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/108
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108


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Log printout from episode "?" (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/%3F_%28Episode%29) which increments by 108 units in base 60


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/c/ca/3x08_clock_108.jpg/180px-3x08_clock_108.jpg (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:3x08_clock_108.jpg) http://images.wikia.com/common/releases_201002.4/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:3x08_clock_108.jpg)
Penny's Clock




108 stands out amongst the graffiti when Jack goes down the hatch the first time. <small>("Man of Science, Man of Faith (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Man_of_Science,_Man_of_Faith)")</small>
# that appears on the mural in the Swan (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Swan). <small>("Adrift (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Adrift)")</small>
# of minutes the clock in the Swan (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Swan) counts down before the Numbers must be entered into the computer (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Push_the_Button). (Note: the alarm sounds at the four (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/4) minute countdown mark, and the Numbers can be input any time after this). The clock resets itself to this number after the correct numbers have been input. If the counter reaches zero, a set of hieroglyphs (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hieroglyphs) appear in the counter instead. <small>("Adrift (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Adrift)") ("Orientation (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Orientation)")</small>
# that x 5 = 540. 540 is the number of days until "your replacement" will arrive at the Hatch, according to the orientation film (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Orientation_film). <small>("Orientation (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Orientation)")</small>
# of answers to Locke (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Locke)'s crossword puzzle (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Crossword_Puzzle). <small>("Collision (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Collision)")</small>
Part of the video reel #23 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/23)108-42 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/42) that Kelvin shows to Sayid. <small>("One of Them (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/One_of_Them)")</small>
# on the log printout (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Log_printout) in the Pearl (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl) displays numbers that increment by 1:48 in base 60 (which we use for counting time). If we convert 1:48 from base 60 to decimal, we arrive at 108, which makes sense given that this is the frequency with which the code is entered. <small>("? (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/%3F)")</small>
One half of # of hours between intervals when the vaccine kit (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vaccine_kit) injections must be done (9 days). <small>("Three Minutes (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Three_Minutes)")</small>
One loud jungle frog, the coqui, which was tormenting Sawyer, has been measured chirping at 108 decibels.
The armory (where the guns are initially stored) span two lock combinations. When you add both of the lock combination numbers together, you get 108 (7 + 33 + 18, 18 + 1 + 31).
The song "Make your own kind of music" that Desmond plays in the hatch is stopped by the explosion after 1:08. <small>("Man of Science, Man of Faith (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Man_of_Science,_Man_of_Faith)")</small>

Season 3



On the blast door map the Roman numerals CVIII are shown in a box, translated into modern Hindu-arbic numbers CVIII is 108
# of beats per minute of Ben's heartbeat on the EEG for a moment. <small>("Not in Portland (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Not_in_Portland)")</small>
The time that shows on the digital clock is 1:08. <small>("Flashes Before Your Eyes (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Flashes_Before_Your_Eyes)")</small>
The number of wine cases that the monastery imported . <small>("Catch-22 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Catch-22)")</small>
108 times 3 equals 324 - the number of people on Flight 815 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Flight_815).
The spectral analysis of the sound made by the sonic barrier, one of the frequency bands corresponds to 972 Hz, which is the average resonant frequency of the human skull. 108 times 9 equals 972

Season 4



It was 108 days between the crash (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Flight_815) and the Oceanic 6 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_6) being rescued on Sumba (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sumba).



Oceanic 815 crashed on Sept. 22, 2004. 108 days later is Jan. 8, 2005 (1-08).

Season 6



The hourglass used by Dogen (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dogen) lasts 1:08.
Dogen twirls and studies a baseball in the episode "What Kate Did"; a traditional baseball has 108 stitches. = needs reference =
Jacob (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob) asked Hurley (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hurley) to set the lighthouse (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse) apparatus to 108 degrees. <small>("Lighthouse (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lighthouse)")</small>
The name Wallace (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Wallace) was written (and crossed out) by number 108 on the the lighthouse wheel (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse_Wheel). <small>("Lighthouse (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lighthouse)")</small>

In Find 815



The newspaper in the Christiane I (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Christiane_I) (in the Chapter 3 Clue Hunt) has its 108th issue

edit (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=108&action=edit) DHARMA (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA) and religious meanings

As it is now clear that the show has a recurring theme (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Theme) of religion (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Religion_and_ideologies), specifically Eastern religion (DHARMA (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA), namaste (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Namaste)), it is important to note that the number 108 has great significance attached in that realm. Note that the religious significance of 108 to many Eastern ideological beliefs also has great impact on their popular culture, as seen in the following "Occurrences outside the show" section.


There are 108 beads on a mala, used by Buddhists and Hindus for chanting.
There are "108 Defilements of Buddhism which can be connected to the symbols in the DHARMA logo(s) (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=108&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtuescience.com%2Fdefilements.html)".

More specifically, one of the Buddhist readings of the number 108 is as the quantity of Klesas (mental defilements) according to the Tientai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientai) version of the Abhidharma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhidharma) (one of the main Buddhist doctrinary texts) [1] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=108&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tientai.net%2Fglossary%2F108bonno.htm).


A typical Japanese interpretation for the meaning of the number 108, used by both Nichiren and Pure Land schools, is given under "Shoshu Buddhist" (Shoshu is a controversial Nichiren school of Buddhist origins) in [2] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=108&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.salagram.net%2F108meaning.html):

Followers use 108 beads in their malas. They implement the following formula:
6 x 3 x 2 x 3 = 108
6 senses [sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, thought]
3 aspects of time [past, present, future]
2 condition of heart [pure or impure]
3 possibilities of sentiment [like, dislike, indifference]


6^2 + 6^2 + 6^2 = 108. In common Christian Eschatology, 666 is the Number of the Beast. (This is currently being disputed)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast)

edit (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=108&action=edit) Outside the show and real life occurrences



In the J.J. Abrams (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/J.J._Abrams)-produced television show Fringe (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fringe), character Morgan Steig was passenger #108 on Flight 627.
The highest broadcast band of FM radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_broadcasting) is 108.0.
On New Years in Japan the church ring a bell 108 times to rid the 108 evils in the body.
108 minutes is the time it took Juri Alexejewitsch Gagarin to circle around the earth on his first spaceflight.
In Fyodor Dostoevsky's short story "Notes From the Underground" the narrator muses that science will one day teach man that he possesses neither will nor uncontrollable urges and is nothing more than a piano key or organ stop operating by laws of nature, and that if discovered, these laws could be used to compute human actions mathematically like tables of logarithms up to 108 - 000.
In Homer's "The Odyssey," Odysseus is forced to fight off 108 suitors when he returns to his wife Penelope (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Penelope).
It took 108 years to end the Spanish-American War tax. In 2006, the Treasury Dept. ended a 1898 tax to fund the war.
108 = 0108 Hebrew Strong's number = mist, vapor of the ground whence clouds are formed, so called from surrounding and covering the earth like a veil. This derivation is confirmed by the Arabic root 'med', which is whatever guards and strengthens anything, defense. Also means atmosphere (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Meteorology).
1-0-8 is the emergency telephone number in India (such as 9-1-1 is in the USA). A common saying in India is "Dial 108 and save a life".
The Chinese classic Shui Hu Zhuan there are 108 Stars of Destiny, heroes who band together for the cause of justice.
In the martial art Wing Chun, each of the 3 forms, and the wooden dummy training traditionally consist of 108 movements.
There are 108 stitches on a regulation baseball, such as the ones used by the Boston Red Sox (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox).
On the Lost original television soundtrack the track "Me and my big mouth" is exactly one minute and eight seconds (1:08) long
The wave swimming pool at the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas cycles 1 wave every 108 seconds.[4] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=108&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fshows.do%3FepisodeId%3D228703%26amp%3Baction%3Ddetail)
To help in preparing the instrumentation for the Trinity atomic bomb test the "100 Ton Test" was fired on 7 May 1945. This test detonated 108 tons of TNT stacked on a wooden platform 800 yards from Trinity ground zero.
108 is the ten code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-code) for officer down or officer in danger.
"National Geographic Magazine (March 2008) cites a repetitive Buddhist ritual in Bhutan involving 108 kernels of corn: "Each time the gray haired woman named Tum Tum prostrates herself [before a sacred pillar of stone], she slides one of the 108 kernels (a sacred number) across the floor. In three months she as moved the kernels 95,000 times - 1000 prostrations a day - and will continue until she reaches 100,000."
There are 108 cards in an Uno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uno_%28game%29) deck.
The spherical angle between Los Angeles and Sydney is 108 degrees plus some decimal run over. [5] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=108&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nuclearweaponarchive.org%2FUsa%2FTests%2FTrinity.html)
The exterior angles between the points of a pentagram, and the interior angles of a pentagon are 108 degrees.
Misty May and Kerry Walsh, the 2008 Olympic Gold medalists in women's beach volleyball have a streak of 108 wins.
The New York Mets won 108 games during their 1986 season when they won the World Series.
Stonehenge is 108 feet in diameter.
In Mac OSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard)'s "Wake on Demand" feature, roughly every 108 minutes or so, it's normal behavior for the computer in sleep mode to awaken briefly for maintenance, just enough to repair and resolve its current network state, and then to immediately return to sleep.
Episode 5 of Season 6, "Lighthouse (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lighthouse)," was the 108th episode of the series.

AustinChief
03-03-2010, 06:08 PM
so... is the vaccine from earlier related to the "sickness" that Claire and Sayid have? It seems likely YET it also appears that you have to "die" to get sick... so who knows.

Guru
03-04-2010, 04:22 AM
One other question, why was MIB allowed to cross the ash and enter the temple only when Dogen was dead?Why did Sayid have to stab Flocke before he spoke to destroy him?;)

Baby Lee
03-04-2010, 11:15 AM
Why did Sayid have to stab Flocke before he spoke to destroy him?;)

Dogen wanted Sayid to go up to Smokey and immediately do something to provoke Smokey to kill him. Didn't want Smokey to get a chance to talk sense into Sayid. Dogen knew there was no way Sayid's 'mission' would succeed.

Frazod
03-04-2010, 11:31 AM
Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

Chiefnj2
03-04-2010, 12:38 PM
Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

The "bad" guys aren't any worse than the "good" guys. Both MIB and Jacob manipulate people. Jacob seems worse because he brings people to the island. MIB only messes with them once on the island.

tymania
03-04-2010, 12:57 PM
The "bad" guys aren't any worse than the "good" guys. Both MIB and Jacob manipulate people. Jacob seems worse because he brings people to the island. MIB only messes with them once on the island.

ROFL good point.. everyone is a manipulator on this show.. the island is not one for the weak.

Rausch
03-04-2010, 02:05 PM
Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

It's also funny to see Ben go from the biggest position of power to seeing him in the pool room after Sayid off's the Japanese guy.

"Oh fuck....p0wn3d...I'm out..." :D

Rausch
03-04-2010, 02:08 PM
Yeah, its looking more and more like Jacob could be the bad guy in all this, or at least its not so clear but whos the good guy and whos the bad guy. He has manipluated a lot of lives.

I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

Frazod
03-04-2010, 02:16 PM
I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

Yeah, but the people who worked for him never had a problem with it.

Chiefnj2
03-04-2010, 02:20 PM
I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

Not directly. He's like Charles Manson where he sends out Dogen/Ben to manipulate others to do their dirty work.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end the surviving lostees tell both MIB and Jacob to screw off and/or eliminate both of them.

Mr. Plow
03-04-2010, 06:33 PM
Only 10 more episodes left.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2010, 06:45 PM
Only 10 more episodes left.

12 hours

10 more episodes before the 2 hour season finale

Mr. Plow
03-04-2010, 06:52 PM
12 hours

10 more episodes before the 2 hour season finale


Ah, I thought it said 10 episodes INCLUDING the 2 hour finale. Must have been 10 episodes PLUS the 2 hour finale.

keg in kc
03-04-2010, 09:36 PM
Couple of strong episodes after an iffy start.

Joe_Camel
03-04-2010, 10:37 PM
Creators of 'Lost' say they won't tie up all those loose ends


By Lisa de Moraes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Many of the questions posed during the run of "Lost" that have been keeping you up at night are never going to be answered on the show but will instead be tossed on the compost heap like an old turnip, because, the writers say, they have run out of time.

And if you're expecting they will nonetheless come through with some kind of post-finale TV special, online chat, tweet -- anything! -- to answer their rabid fans' lingering head-scratchers, you need to think again. They have no intention of discussing the show after the finale airs on May 23, co-creators Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse blithely informed nearly 2,000 "Lost" fans attending the annual TV festival of the Paley Center for Media (formerly Museum of Television and Radio, formerly Museum of Broadcasting) in Beverly Hills, Calif.


Now, you'd think that might have irked some of those nearly 2,000 fans who had coughed up $25 to $75 and then stood in line -- some for more than two hours -- in the on-again, off-again rain Saturday night in order to spend slightly less than two hours in the company of the writers, and a smattering of actors, from the prime-time soap.

You'd be wrong. It only inflamed their passion:

"Now that we're [preparing] the finale, we're not at all having the experience of 'Oh, my God, we forgot to do this!' " Lindelof told the capacity crowd at the Saban Theater.

"We're big fans of the show 'Top Chef,' " he explained. "Those guys all run through Whole Foods and they have to pull all of this stuff down -- they have to get stuff they might not use in the dish. When they get to the kitchen, they have to decide whether or not they're going to use it. Our process is kind of the same."

"There's a lot of little questions that unfortunately we just don't have time to answer in the amount of time that we have left," co-creator Cuse told the uber-fans.

What with trying to keep all the intertwining story lines straight, it's probably slipped his mind that the "time we lave left" was determined years ago by Cuse and Lindelof themselves, which would seem to suggest that running out of time was something they had, um, planned.

Back in May of 2007, ABC and the creative team behind the weedy tangle of a series announced the show would end in the spring of 2010. Nearly three years later, at the Paleyfest, Cuse said of any unresolved plot issues: "Ultimately, the way we look at it is that if the characters don't care about that question, then we as storytellers don't care about that question."

Of course, what the characters do and do not care about is decided upon by . . . well, Cuse and Lindelof, come to think of it. Because the characters are, you know, not real people.

These fine points seemed lost on the glassy-eyed fans who were madly tweeting every second of the big event. For example: Damon just spoiled that Santa isn't real, and there are kids in the audience. Uh-oh.

But those of us who have been able to resist the show's insidious ability to suck your brain out through your ear -- by shouting out nursery rhymes and performing other non-rhythmic tricks -- were sore as gumboils when panelists said we're out of luck if we're waiting to find out who exactly was the economist Sayid shot on the golf course. Apparently they heard from Sayid -- he couldn't care less. "We feel like the show should stand on its own," Cuse said. "We're actually not going to comment on the show after the finale. We want everybody to basically be able to continue the dialogue. . . . We don't think it's really appropriate for us to say, 'Oh, here is the official definition for what we meant by any particular moment on the show.' "


Let's recap, shall we? The show's creators say it's not appropriate for the show's creators to give the "official definition" of what they, the show's creators, meant by any particular moment on the show they created.

Okey-dokey.

* * *

KcMizzou
03-04-2010, 10:42 PM
Creators of 'Lost' say they won't tie up all those loose ends


By Lisa de Moraes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Many of the questions posed during the run of "Lost" that have been keeping you up at night are never going to be answered on the show but will instead be tossed on the compost heap like an old turnip, because, the writers say, they have run out of time.

And if you're expecting they will nonetheless come through with some kind of post-finale TV special, online chat, tweet -- anything! -- to answer their rabid fans' lingering head-scratchers, you need to think again. They have no intention of discussing the show after the finale airs on May 23, co-creators Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse blithely informed nearly 2,000 "Lost" fans attending the annual TV festival of the Paley Center for Media (formerly Museum of Television and Radio, formerly Museum of Broadcasting) in Beverly Hills, Calif.


Now, you'd think that might have irked some of those nearly 2,000 fans who had coughed up $25 to $75 and then stood in line -- some for more than two hours -- in the on-again, off-again rain Saturday night in order to spend slightly less than two hours in the company of the writers, and a smattering of actors, from the prime-time soap.

You'd be wrong. It only inflamed their passion:

"Now that we're [preparing] the finale, we're not at all having the experience of 'Oh, my God, we forgot to do this!' " Lindelof told the capacity crowd at the Saban Theater.

"We're big fans of the show 'Top Chef,' " he explained. "Those guys all run through Whole Foods and they have to pull all of this stuff down -- they have to get stuff they might not use in the dish. When they get to the kitchen, they have to decide whether or not they're going to use it. Our process is kind of the same."

"There's a lot of little questions that unfortunately we just don't have time to answer in the amount of time that we have left," co-creator Cuse told the uber-fans.

What with trying to keep all the intertwining story lines straight, it's probably slipped his mind that the "time we lave left" was determined years ago by Cuse and Lindelof themselves, which would seem to suggest that running out of time was something they had, um, planned.

Back in May of 2007, ABC and the creative team behind the weedy tangle of a series announced the show would end in the spring of 2010. Nearly three years later, at the Paleyfest, Cuse said of any unresolved plot issues: "Ultimately, the way we look at it is that if the characters don't care about that question, then we as storytellers don't care about that question."

Of course, what the characters do and do not care about is decided upon by . . . well, Cuse and Lindelof, come to think of it. Because the characters are, you know, not real people.

These fine points seemed lost on the glassy-eyed fans who were madly tweeting every second of the big event. For example: Damon just spoiled that Santa isn't real, and there are kids in the audience. Uh-oh.

But those of us who have been able to resist the show's insidious ability to suck your brain out through your ear -- by shouting out nursery rhymes and performing other non-rhythmic tricks -- were sore as gumboils when panelists said we're out of luck if we're waiting to find out who exactly was the economist Sayid shot on the golf course. Apparently they heard from Sayid -- he couldn't care less. "We feel like the show should stand on its own," Cuse said. "We're actually not going to comment on the show after the finale. We want everybody to basically be able to continue the dialogue. . . . We don't think it's really appropriate for us to say, 'Oh, here is the official definition for what we meant by any particular moment on the show.' "


Let's recap, shall we? The show's creators say it's not appropriate for the show's creators to give the "official definition" of what they, the show's creators, meant by any particular moment on the show they created.

Okey-dokey.

* * *LMAO

Wow.

Guru
03-04-2010, 10:52 PM
Ah, I thought it said 10 episodes INCLUDING the 2 hour finale. Must have been 10 episodes PLUS the 2 hour finale.Nope. They said "ONly 10 more episodes left UNTIL the 2 hour finale."

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2010, 12:46 AM
LMAO

Wow.

My wife was there. They gave away quite a few tidbits, including Sayid's "turn" this week.

I was going to post the info but I chose not to do it.

I think most would rather see the season play out.

And from what I understand, it's not as open or "dire" as this writer has described.

BigRedChief
03-05-2010, 08:27 AM
My wife was there. They gave away quite a few tidbits, including Sayid's "turn" this week.

I was going to post the info but I chose not to do it.

I think most would rather see the season play out.

And from what I understand, it's not as open or "dire" as this writer has described.I'm okay with leaving some of it "open". After all its a mystery based show in some aspects. but, this we are never going to talk about it again crap....comeon...get real.

Chiefnj2
03-05-2010, 08:33 AM
I'm okay with leaving some of it "open". l.

I'm don't like it. Lost is the only show that I can think of that has gone into excruciating detail on everything. The 108th book on a bookshelf will have a title that contains a clue and has hidden meaning, etc. If the writers and producers have put so much effort into the little details and fans have scoured still shots to find them and piece them together, then I think they kind of owe it to the fans to answer the vast majority of mysteries that they presented.

patteeu
03-05-2010, 08:53 AM
I'm don't like it. Lost is the only show that I can think of that has gone into excruciating detail on everything. The 108th book on a bookshelf will have a title that contains a clue and has hidden meaning, etc. If the writers and producers have put so much effort into the little details and fans have scoured still shots to find them and piece them together, then I think they kind of owe it to the fans to answer the vast majority of mysteries that they presented.

I tend to agree with you although some of the "mysteries" might not be intentional mysteries. For example, maybe the identity of the economist Sayid shot on the golf course was never intended to be relevant even if some group of fans built up a whole set of conspiracy theories around it.

BigRedChief
03-05-2010, 09:30 AM
I tend to agree with you although some of the "mysteries" might not be intentional mysteries. For example, maybe the identity of the economist Sayid shot on the golf course was never intended to be relevant even if some group of fans built up a whole set of conspiracy theories around it.Correct, this is the kind of info I'm okay leaving open.

Chiefnj2
03-05-2010, 09:32 AM
I tend to agree with you although some of the "mysteries" might not be intentional mysteries. For example, maybe the identity of the economist Sayid shot on the golf course was never intended to be relevant even if some group of fans built up a whole set of conspiracy theories around it.

I agree.

DaneMcCloud
03-06-2010, 01:31 PM
March 23 will be a "Richard-centric" episode that will reveal his true identity.

Last week at the Paly festival, he said that he was shocked when he read the script but it's also his most enjoyable and satisfying episode.

tymania
03-06-2010, 02:24 PM
March 23 will be a "Richard-centric" episode that will reveal true identity.

Last week at the Paly festival, he said that he was shocked when he read the script but it's also his most enjoyable and satisfying episode.

good info.. thanks!

Baby Lee
03-08-2010, 11:45 AM
I'm gonna put one word out there, and we'll revisit it later.

cork

Mr. Plow
03-08-2010, 11:49 AM
I wish I knew what you mean by that meant Baby Lee.

Mile High Mania
03-08-2010, 12:00 PM
Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

Enh... who really knows good from bad with this group of people.

Baby Lee
03-08-2010, 12:23 PM
I wish I knew what you mean by that meant Baby Lee.

If you want a little direction

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b168540_lost_redux_want_know_what_island.html

Mr. Plow
03-08-2010, 12:33 PM
If you want a little direction

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b168540_lost_redux_want_know_what_island.html

So do you know that for fact or guessing?

tymania
03-08-2010, 12:39 PM
So do you know that for fact or guessing?

It has been rumored on multiple sites..
http://www.tv.com/lost/the-island-is-described-as..spoilers/topic/11431-1623179/msgs.html#

Baby Lee
03-08-2010, 12:41 PM
So do you know that for fact or guessing?

It's the guess I'm doubling down on. Carlton and I rarely talk these days.

CosmicPal
03-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Ohhhhhh, Charles Widmore found the island!

irishjayhawk
03-09-2010, 09:13 PM
Superb episode. I cared about the sliding door/flash sideways storyline as much as I did on the Island.

I loved Michael Giacchino's latest rendition of Locke'd Out Again. Beautiful. If I was to find fault with the episode it would be ending with that music on lack luster reunion. I wish it to grace a bit more emphatic moment. Like in Season 4 when Ben walks towards the boaters.

Guru
03-10-2010, 12:28 AM
Ohhhhhh, Charles Widmore found the island!Well, not ON the island. Yet.

The big question is HOW did he find it?

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 12:36 AM
I think the person that's "coming" is Widmore. It doesn't make any sense at this point for it to be Michael, Walt, Desmond or Faraday.



Uh huh

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 12:40 AM
Well, not ON the island. Yet.

The big question is HOW did he find it?

Jacob

Guru
03-10-2010, 01:31 AM
JacobWell, that is the safest assumption at this point.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 01:51 AM
Well, that is the safest assumption at this point.

Yeah, you're right.

Jacob said they'll find it "Somehow".

I jumped the gun. It was probably someone like Faraday or his mother.

FTR, I still think he's not "good".

Guru
03-10-2010, 02:46 AM
It'll be a fun ride though.

tymania
03-10-2010, 07:58 AM
ahh poor Ben just wants to feel wanted.... what a tool.. go with Locke and try to take your rightful place as the keeper of the island

Chiefnj2
03-10-2010, 09:13 AM
Good episode. Ben gives his dad healthy gas (oxygen) this time around. Jack has gone from a man of science to a man of faith. No big reveals other than if Jacob touches you, you can't kill yourself.

tymania
03-10-2010, 09:23 AM
Good episode. Ben gives his dad healthy gas (oxygen) this time around. Jack has gone from a man of science to a man of faith. No big reveals other than if Jacob touches you, you can't kill yourself.

Did they every say if he touched Micheal or not?
And i wonder if Jack and everyone else who was touched by Jacob, will not age ? Like Richard!?

Mr. Plow
03-10-2010, 09:26 AM
And i wonder if Jack and everyone else who was touched by Jacob, will not age ? Like Richard!?

i was wondering that as well. Also, since they can't kill themselves, would only Richard of died since Jack lit the fuse of the dynamite?

tymania
03-10-2010, 09:31 AM
i was wondering that as well. Also, since they can't kill themselves, would only Richard of died since Jack lit the fuse of the dynamite?

Well since Jack stayed around the dynamite was not going to work.. since Jack lit it he cant die.
Which brings me back to the Michael thing.. Did Jacob touch him? because he tried to kill himself numerous times with no luck.. Until he fulfilled his mission on the boat was he able to die....... or did he!?!?

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 11:05 AM
ahh poor Ben just wants to feel wanted.... what a tool.. go with Locke and try to take your rightful place as the keeper of the island

I think you missed the point: The Island is what changes Ben from a good person to a bad person. Without that influence, he's a good man that does the right thing.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 11:07 AM
Good episode. Ben gives his dad healthy gas (oxygen) this time around. Jack has gone from a man of science to a man of faith. No big reveals other than if Jacob touches you, you can't kill yourself.

I think the biggest reveal is that Dharma existed on the island in the "Sideways Flash" and that Ben and his father were both there.

So at some point, we're going to find out why it's now on the bottom of the ocean.

Chiefnj2
03-10-2010, 11:32 AM
I think the biggest reveal is that Dharma existed on the island in the "Sideways Flash" and that Ben and his father were both there.

So at some point, we're going to find out why it's now on the bottom of the ocean.

Didn't we know Dharma was on the island in the first episode this season when the camera goes underwater and you see the barracks and stuff sticking out from under the sand?

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Didn't we know Dharma was on the island in the first episode this season when the camera goes underwater and you see the barracks and stuff sticking out from under the sand?

Last night confirmed that Dharma and the Island existed in the "Sideways" flash. Up until that point, I took that scene you described as the aftermath of the bomb that was set off in 1977.

Now it'll be up to the writers to tell us why Dharma & Ben all went to the Island and left unscathed.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Nestor Carbonell says that the ninth and fifteenth episode of the currently airing final season will be the episodes that answer almost all the remaining mysteries of the series.

Those episodes will air March 23rd and May 4th respectively.

Huffmeister
03-10-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm pretty sure Jacob touched Sawyer when he was a kid, and Sawyer still aged. I think the "Jacob touch" is just how he brings candidates to the island. Richard got something more.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 05:20 PM
I'm pretty sure Jacob touched Sawyer when he was a kid, and Sawyer still aged. I think the "Jacob touch" is just how he brings candidates to the island. Richard got something more.

Maybe once they get to the island they don't age so you could be wrong

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 05:46 PM
Maybe once they get to the island they don't age so you could be wrong

False.

Ben Linus came to the island as a child and has clearly aged.

Richard mentioned specifically last season that the reason he looks as he does is due to Jacob.

Since Richard was formerly a slave, I would not be shocked in the least that when his identity is revealed, he is black.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 06:38 PM
False.

Ben Linus came to the island as a child and has clearly aged.

Richard mentioned specifically last season that the reason he looks as he does is due to Jacob.

Since Richard was formerly a slave, I would not be shocked in the least that when his identity is revealed, he is black.

False

Ben has never been touched by Jacob never met him. Ben just took control He got rid of Widmore and killed Dharma

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 06:45 PM
False

Ben has never been touched by Jacob never met him. Ben just took control He got rid of Widmore and killed Dharma

Wasn't Ben on the 360 wheel? If so, he would have been touched by Jacob at some point, same as Rousseau. She was definitely on the 360 wheel and most certainly aged.

You're trying to make a case where the facts don't exist to back it up.

arrowheadnation
03-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Last night's ep was very "Matrix-esque"...Jack is starting to realize that he is "the one."

Guru
03-10-2010, 07:00 PM
He's beginning to believe.
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/snackeru/greet/images/morpheus.jpg

Chiefnj2
03-10-2010, 07:00 PM
Last night's ep was very "Matrix-esque"...Jack is starting to realize that he is "the one."

He is the "shepherd" .

CosmicPal
03-10-2010, 07:27 PM
In the previous episode, Dogen was reading Deep River by Shusaku Endo. I wonder if the book might have a connection with the series and should it provide a hint of things to come.

Japanese novelist Endo combines a harsh critique of the emptiness in modern lives with a religious vision of spiritual rebirth.

http://www.amazon.com/Deep-River-Shusaku-Endo/dp/081121320X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268269944&sr=1-1

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 09:23 PM
Wasn't Ben on the 360 wheel? If so, he would have been touched by Jacob at some point, same as Rousseau. She was definitely on the 360 wheel and most certainly aged.

You're trying to make a case where the facts don't exist to back it up.


Ben has said he has never seen Jacob He told Locke this in prior seasons

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 09:30 PM
Ben has said he has never seen Jacob He told Locke this in prior seasons

That doesn't mean he wasn't "touched" by Jacob.

How would he know what looked like if he'd never met him?

And as I noted earlier, other people's names that were on the Wheel had all been touched by Jacob and aged.

You're reaching for something that isn't there.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 09:38 PM
That doesn't mean he wasn't "touched" by Jacob.

How would he know what looked like if he'd never met him?

And as I noted earlier, other people's names that were on the Wheel had all been touched by Jacob and aged.

You're reaching for something that isn't there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxA9_3ob7i4

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 09:39 PM
That doesn't mean he wasn't "touched" by Jacob.

How would he know what looked like if he'd never met him?

And as I noted earlier, other people's names that were on the Wheel had all been touched by Jacob and aged.

You're reaching for something that isn't there.

Trust me I do know I Know all the spoilers

Brock
03-10-2010, 09:41 PM
You don't know shit.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 10:26 PM
Trust me I do know I Know all the spoilers

No, you don't.

Were you at the Paly Festival in LA two weeks ago? Are you friendly with ABC execs?

Did you know that the final three episodes haven't even been shot yet?

Sorry, you don't know anything.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:26 PM
Last night confirmed that Dharma and the Island existed in the "Sideways" flash. Up until that point, I took that scene you described as the aftermath of the bomb that was set off in 1977.

Now it'll be up to the writers to tell us why Dharma & Ben all went to the Island and left unscathed.

Dead")

In July 1977, shortly after Ben was healed, Pierre Chang organised the evacuation of all the DHARMA women and children from the Island, in preparation for the coming Incident.("Follow the Leader") Presumably this evacuation should have included Ben, however it is more likely Ben was still at The Temple where he was being healed after being shot by Sayid. If he was in this evacuation, then he subsequently returned to the Island.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:27 PM
No, you don't.

Where you at the Paly Festival in LA two weeks ago? Are you friendly with ABC execs?

Did you know that the final three episodes haven't even been shot yet?

Sorry, you don't know anything.

Bro I just showed you a clip He has never seen nor met Jacob He was not touched

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 10:28 PM
Dead")

In July 1977, shortly after Ben was healed, Pierre Chang organised the evacuation of all the DHARMA women and children from the Island, in preparation for the coming Incident.("Follow the Leader") Presumably this evacuation should have included Ben, however it is more likely Ben was still at The Temple where he was being healed after being shot by Sayid. If he was in this evacuation, then he subsequently returned to the Island.

That's wrong because Ben LEFT with his father.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 10:29 PM
Bro I just showed you a clip He has never seen nor met Jacob He was not touched

So, you're concluding that it never happened, even though the series has 11 more hours ahead?

Dude, settle down and enjoy.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:36 PM
That's wrong because Ben LEFT with his father.

Maybe his father was in it as well (this was taken frm lostpedia)

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:38 PM
So, you're concluding that it never happened, even though the series has 11 more hours ahead?

Dude, settle down and enjoy.

lol you're the one getting worked up bro Im just staing the facts

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:43 PM
So, you're concluding that it never happened, even though the series has 11 more hours ahead?

Dude, settle down and enjoy.

From Lostpedia

Jacob's cabin
A figure seen in Jacob's cabin ("The Man Behind the Curtain")During Season Three, Benjamin Linus took John Locke to see Jacob at a cabin deep in the jungle. Before arriving at the cabin, Locke discovers a ring of ash surrounding the perimeter similar to the ash the Others used to protect and fortify the Temple from the MIB.("The Man Behind the Curtain") ("LA X, Part 2") The room initially appeared empty, but as Locke prepared to leave the Cabin, disappointed and disgusted, he heard a voice whisper, "Help me." Angry and believing Ben was deceiving him, Locke turned on his flashlight. Immediately the cabin began to shake, jars of liquid flew across the room and the lamp was knocked over and set aflame. Ben grabbed the apparently empty rocking chair, telling "Jacob" that he had had his fun and needed to stop, before he was thrown against the wall by a mysterious force. In looking back across the room, Locke briefly observed a shadowy figure with shaggy hair and tattered clothing sitting in the chair.("The Man Behind the Curtain") Ben later confessed that he had never seen Jacob in all his time as leader of the Others. He explained to Locke that he had been putting on an elaborate deception at the cabin but was just as surprised as Locke when the chaos erupted. ("The Incident, Part 1") Previously believed to be Jacob, the identity of this shadowy individual has now been put into question.

DaneMcCloud
03-10-2010, 10:49 PM
lol you're the one getting worked up bro Im just staing the facts

Dude, they're not facts. It's speculation.

KingPriest2
03-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Dude, they're not facts. It's speculation.

It is fact Ben said he has never seen him

Guru
03-11-2010, 12:16 AM
This seems to happen about the same time every year.

keg in kc
03-11-2010, 12:23 AM
I'm loving this season now after a kind of meh start to it.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:28 AM
It is fact Ben said he has never seen him

Uh, I said this earlier.

The fact is that Ben never knew what Jacob looked like, so it's speculation that he was never "touched" by him.

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:31 AM
Uh, I said this earlier.

The fact is that Ben never knew what Jacob looked like, so it's speculation that he was never "touched" by him.

He saw him in that clip He wouldve remember what he looked like Its fact He hasnt sen him

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:33 AM
He saw him in that clip He wouldve remember what he looked like Its fact He hasnt sen him

I'm done with you.

Watch the final 11 hours.

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:35 AM
I'm done with you.

Watch the final 11 hours.

Bro chill out Just admit you are wrong

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:39 AM
Bro chill out Just admit you are wrong

:facepalm:

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:42 AM
:facepalm:


:shake:

Guru
03-11-2010, 12:44 AM
He saw him in that clip He wouldve remember what he looked like Its fact He hasnt sen himWould you remember somebody that touched you 20+ years ago? Your theory is still speculation.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:44 AM
From Lostpedia

Jacob's cabin
A figure seen in Jacob's cabin ("The Man Behind the Curtain")During Season Three, Benjamin Linus took John Locke to see Jacob at a cabin deep in the jungle. Before arriving at the cabin, Locke discovers a ring of ash surrounding the perimeter similar to the ash the Others used to protect and fortify the Temple from the MIB.("The Man Behind the Curtain") ("LA X, Part 2") The room initially appeared empty, but as Locke prepared to leave the Cabin, disappointed and disgusted, he heard a voice whisper, "Help me." Angry and believing Ben was deceiving him, Locke turned on his flashlight. Immediately the cabin began to shake, jars of liquid flew across the room and the lamp was knocked over and set aflame. Ben grabbed the apparently empty rocking chair, telling "Jacob" that he had had his fun and needed to stop, before he was thrown against the wall by a mysterious force. In looking back across the room, Locke briefly observed a shadowy figure with shaggy hair and tattered clothing sitting in the chair.("The Man Behind the Curtain") Ben later confessed that he had never seen Jacob in all his time as leader of the Others. He explained to Locke that he had been putting on an elaborate deception at the cabin but was just as surprised as Locke when the chaos erupted. ("The Incident, Part 1") Previously believed to be Jacob, the identity of this shadowy individual has now been put into question.

Do you know what this means? Do you understand what's happening, AT ALL?

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:46 AM
Would you remember somebody that touched you 20+ years ago? Your theory is still speculation.

Its not speculation

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:46 AM
Would you remember somebody that touched you 20+ years ago? Your theory is still speculation.

I'm guessing this is a 14 year old kid that has absolutely no understanding of what's happened during the past 5+ seasons, therefore has to use Wiki and Lostpedia in a feeble attempt to make a point.

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:47 AM
Do you know what this means? Do you understand what's happening, AT ALL?

I understand more then you

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:47 AM
Its not speculation

So, you've seen the final 11 episodes, including the three that have not been filmed to this point?

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:47 AM
I'm guessing this is a 14 year old kid that has absolutely no understanding of what's happened during the past 5+ seasons, therefore has to use Wiki and Lostpedia in a feeble attempt to make a point.

What?

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:48 AM
I understand more then you

Explain, please.

(this ought be good).

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 12:51 AM
Explain, please.

(this ought be good).

There is too much to explain

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:52 AM
There is too much to explain

Go to bed.

You need your sleep.

Guru
03-11-2010, 12:54 AM
There is too much to explainexcellent deflection.

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 01:08 AM
Go to bed.

You need your sleep.


chill out bro

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 01:10 AM
chill out bro

Goodnight, Sweet Douche

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 05:23 AM
Goodnight, Sweet Douche

bro seriously chill out

tymania
03-11-2010, 07:42 AM
Bro chill out Just admit you are wrong

He isnt wrong.. maybe Jacob came to him as a very young child, maybe as a baby?.. Ben wouldnt remember what he looked like. Jack was touched by him but doesnt know what he looks like right?

Mr. Plow
03-11-2010, 08:00 AM
Would you remember somebody that touched you 20+ years ago? Your theory is still speculation.


Depends, is Ben an alter boy and Jacob a priest?

tymania
03-11-2010, 08:01 AM
Depends, is Ben an alter boy and Jacob a priest?

ROFL more than likely

Chiefnj2
03-11-2010, 08:52 AM
If anyone wants to be spoiled big time listen to the last 10 minutes of a 2/28 podcast from Ryan over at DarkUfo. He's gotten his hands on a bunch of call sheets and reads them.

tymania
03-11-2010, 08:59 AM
If anyone wants to be spoiled big time listen to the last 10 minutes of a 2/28 podcast from Ryan over at DarkUfo. He's gotten his hands on a bunch of call sheets and reads them.

how much is revealed? like earth shattering information?

Red Brooklyn
03-11-2010, 10:02 AM
Since Richard was formerly a slave, I would not be shocked in the least that when his identity is revealed, he is black.
That would be a strange little twist. Not sure I see them going that route, but... one never knows with this show...

And, yes. If being touched by Jacob is what calls you to the island to be a candidate - and it sure seems like that may really be the case - then Jacob must have touched Ben at some point in his youth. And yes, it's entirely possible that Ben was too young to remember. Good call, Dane. What you're saying makes a lot of sense.

Red Brooklyn
03-11-2010, 10:04 AM
how much is revealed? like earth shattering information?
If it's on DarkUFO's site, I'm sure it's pretty major information. That guy has got the serious hook up.

And as I understand it, they've started filming the finale now, or they're just about to start filming... so... the info is definately out there.

Brock
03-11-2010, 10:07 AM
Ben was taken to the temple when Sayid shot him. It's possible/probable that that is when Jacob did whatever he does. I don't like saying he touched him, because that sounds creepy.

Fish
03-11-2010, 10:13 AM
Not sure why, but for some reason I get the feeling that Richard is much older. Like early Egyptian civilization age.

tymania
03-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Not sure why, but for some reason I get the feeling that Richard is much older. Like early Egyptian civilization age.

Wasnít it mentioned at one point that he was 400+ years old? Or maybe I heard that from someones theory on richard.. I cant remember

Chiefnj2
03-11-2010, 10:25 AM
how much is revealed? like earth shattering information?

The call sheets are pretty detailed. Weeks earlier he had the call sheet that said Sayid slits the throat of the John Lennon lookalike and that smokey would invade the temple and start killing everyone. He has similar info on what appears to be a big kill/murder and certain people being with each other that doesn't make much sense right now.

Chiefnj2
03-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Wasn’t it mentioned at one point that he was 400+ years old? Or maybe I heard that from someones theory on richard.. I cant remember

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Fish
03-11-2010, 10:28 AM
MIB/Smokey start around 23 AD.

How did you learn that?

patteeu
03-11-2010, 10:36 AM
*deleted*

Is the answer to where you get that:

a) a spoiler
b) a theory, or
c) something we've seen in the series?

Chiefnj2
03-11-2010, 10:44 AM
I thought it was the name of the episode, but I checked and the name is different, it is "across the sea". I deleted it so as not to spoil anything further.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 11:25 AM
Please put any "TRUE" spoiler in spoiler tags.

Speculation is cool and fun but I don't think that anyone wants to be truly "spoiled" with only 11 hours to go.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 11:27 AM
Not sure why, but for some reason I get the feeling that Richard is much older. Like early Egyptian civilization age.

The ship in which Richard arrived on the island, The Black Rock, was a slave ship that to me (and I'm not an expert, though familiar) looked like it was built somewhere between 1500 and 1700, making him 300-500 years old.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 11:30 AM
If it's on DarkUFO's site, I'm sure it's pretty major information. That guy has got the serious hook up.

And as I understand it, they've started filming the finale now, or they're just about to start filming... so... the info is definately out there.

There are three episodes yet to film (it was four the week of the Paly festival).

The actors will receive scripts with their lines only. No one actor will no every line, the full script, etc. They won't find out until they're actually shooting what's really happening.

Red Brooklyn
03-11-2010, 12:11 PM
The ship in which Richard arrived on the island, The Black Rock, was a slave ship that to me (and I'm not an expert, though familiar) looked like it was built somewhere between 1500 and 1700, making him 300-500 years old.
The Black Rock is actually (technically speaking) a trade ship. And according to The Constant, it set sail from Portsmith England in 1845.

There are three episodes yet to film (it was four the week of the Paly festival).

The actors will receive scripts with their lines only. No one actor will no every line, the full script, etc. They won't find out until they're actually shooting what's really happening.
Good to know. I'd read on another site that they'd started filming the finale early last week. But I don't know that they were any kind of a reliable source. I'll trust your info since you knew someone at the Q&A. Thanks for the info. Kinda cool that the cast is going to be fairly in the dark, so to speak.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 12:52 PM
The Black Rock is actually (technically speaking) a trade ship. And according to The Constant, it set sail from Portsmith England in 1845.



Was that the first time is was ever sailed, or just the voyage in which is disappeared?

There is absolutely no doubt that it was a slave ship, as evidenced by the chains, Sawyer's use of the word "Slaver" in 1977 and the fact that Richard was referred to by the MIB as "slave".

I need to rewatch "The Constant".

Chiefnj2
03-11-2010, 12:57 PM
Black Rock set sail in 1845

Dynamite got its patent in 1867

Red Brooklyn
03-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Was that the first time is was ever sailed, or just the voyage in which is disappeared?

There is absolutely no doubt that it was a slave ship, as evidenced by the chains, Sawyer's use of the word "Slaver" in 1977 and the fact that Richard was referred to by the MIB as "slave".

I need to rewatch "The Constant".
As I understand it, it's maiden voyage was in 1845. It didn't actually disappeare until 1881. But that date (as far as I know) hasn't been confirmed in-show. That comes from one of the Hiatus ARGs.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_black_rock

Clearly, there were "slaves" on board The Black Rock. No doubt. But slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, and slaverly itself abolished by the British Empire in 1833. So TBR wasn't officially a "slave" ship. It was trade ship that opporated in human trafficing. It was all very black market and underground. Which may have some relevance as to Richard's background. We may not be dealing with exclusively African slave trade. That's all. But there were definately slaves onboard. Absolutely. Sort of splitting hairs. Sorry.

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 02:09 PM
As I understand it, it's maiden voyage was in 1845. It didn't actually disappeare until 1881. But that date (as far as I know) hasn't been confirmed in-show. That comes from one of the Hiatus ARGs.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_black_rock

Clearly, there were "slaves" on board The Black Rock. No doubt. But slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, and slaverly itself abolished by the British Empire in 1833. So TBR wasn't officially a "slave" ship. It was trade ship that opporated in human trafficing. It was all very black market and underground. Which may have some relevance as to Richard's background. We may not be dealing with exclusively African slave trade. That's all. But there were definately slaves onboard. Absolutely. Sort of splitting hairs. Sorry.

It's all good.

That probably throws out the idea that Richard is black.

Maybe he was a slave of Tovard Hanso?

Brock
03-11-2010, 02:17 PM
The guyliner and his name would appear to give some insight into where R.A. comes from. JMO

Red Brooklyn
03-11-2010, 02:17 PM
Maybe he was a slave of Tovard Hanso?
That could be really cool. I'd love to get more of the Hanso mythology worked into the cannon of the show proper. Even if it's just peripheral.

Huffmeister
03-11-2010, 04:39 PM
IMaybe he was a slave of Tovard Hanso?
Or maybe he IS Hanso. MIB mentioned Richard in chains, but they could have been figurative chains, or a reference to something that happened to him after he got to the island.

Do we know if Hanso was on the ship when it disappeared? Or did he just own it?

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 08:03 PM
That would be a strange little twist. Not sure I see them going that route, but... one never knows with this show...

And, yes. If being touched by Jacob is what calls you to the island to be a candidate - and it sure seems like that may really be the case - then Jacob must have touched Ben at some point in his youth. And yes, it's entirely possible that Ben was too young to remember. Good call, Dane. What you're saying makes a lot of sense.

Ben had cancer on the island He was questioned about that How would he be a canidate?

Dartgod
03-11-2010, 08:42 PM
Ben has said he has never seen Jacob He told Locke this in prior seasons
Right. Because Ben always tells the truth. ROFL

DaneMcCloud
03-11-2010, 08:51 PM
I don't think Ben had ever seen Jacob, either. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't "touched" by him.

Has it been confirmed that his name was on the Wheel of Candidates? I haven't had a chance to go back and look today.

Molitoth
03-11-2010, 09:01 PM
Im a huge LOST fan, and it's just now starting to bug me. I am actually ready for this show to end.


Usually great shows I want to go on forever, but this is just DRAGGGGGING.

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 09:37 PM
I don't think Ben had ever seen Jacob, either. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't "touched" by him.

Has it been confirmed that his name was on the Wheel of Candidates? I haven't had a chance to go back and look today.

I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

The smoke monster was Christians form I believe I also believe that when Locke went into the cabin and met Christian as well as seeing Claire It was MIBs plan to move the island so Widmore could find it

I think that Jacks last name is very important as well Shepard I think that Locke is either related to Widmore or Jack

These are just theories There is so much more to this as well

KingPriest2
03-11-2010, 09:58 PM
There are three episodes yet to film (it was four the week of the Paly festival).

The actors will receive scripts with their lines only. No one actor will no every line, the full script, etc. They won't find out until they're actually shooting what's really happening.

They have started filming 6-16

arrowheadnation
03-11-2010, 10:18 PM
<img src=http://i47.tinypic.com/23ma72o.jpg>

Guru
03-11-2010, 10:59 PM
ROFL

noa
03-11-2010, 11:54 PM
I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

Guru
03-12-2010, 12:06 AM
I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.

Dartgod
03-12-2010, 07:14 AM
That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.Really? I thought it was the reporter from Die Hard too.

I just looked and Richard Thornburg was the characters name in Die Hard. The actor is William Atherton. I would have bet money that was him in the last episode.

rad
03-12-2010, 07:17 AM
I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

The smoke monster was Christians form I believe I also believe that when Locke went into the cabin and met Christian as well as seeing Claire It was MIBs plan to move the island so Widmore could find it

I think that Jacks last name is very important as well Shepard I think that Locke is either related to Widmore or Jack

These are just theories There is so much more to this as well

I don't understand much of this.

Mile High Mania
03-12-2010, 07:23 AM
It was the same damn guy...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0040472/

Look at the photos.

patteeu
03-12-2010, 07:41 AM
I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.

Really? I thought it was the reporter from Die Hard too.

I just looked and Richard Thornburg was the characters name in Die Hard. The actor is William Atherton. I would have bet money that was him in the last episode.

William Atherton played all three parts. The guy from Real Genius, the guy from Die Hard, and the guy from Lost. I don't know why IMDB doesn't have him credited for the Lost character.

Dartgod
03-12-2010, 07:50 AM
William Atherton played all three parts. The guy from Real Genius, the guy from Die Hard, and the guy from Lost. I don't know why IMDB doesn't have him credited for the Lost character.
He's credited on Lostpedia. Makes me feel better.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Don_Reynolds

Rausch
03-12-2010, 09:31 AM
I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/05/23_benfromlost.jpg

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 10:15 AM
Ben had cancer on the island He was questioned about that How would he be a canidate?
His name is seen either on the cave wall, the lighthouse, or both. Can't remember which. The name is crossed off. So Ben is no longer a candidate. It'll be interesting to see at what point Ben's name was crossed off. But it is after Ben falls out of favor w/ Jacob and/or the island that he gets cancer.

I don't think Ben had ever seen Jacob, either. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't "touched" by him.

Has it been confirmed that his name was on the Wheel of Candidates? I haven't had a chance to go back and look today.
His name is at least on the cave or in the lighthouse. I can't recall if it's both or jus one. But it's definately seen.

<img src=http://i47.tinypic.com/23ma72o.jpg>
ROFL

:clap:
:clap:

ROFL

Brock
03-12-2010, 10:19 AM
I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

The smoke monster was Christians form I believe I also believe that when Locke went into the cabin and met Christian as well as seeing Claire It was MIBs plan to move the island so Widmore could find it

I think that Jacks last name is very important as well Shepard I think that Locke is either related to Widmore or Jack

These are just theories There is so much more to this as well

English, do you speak it?

DaneMcCloud
03-12-2010, 10:57 AM
I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

tymania
03-12-2010, 11:20 AM
I think you missed the point: The Island is what changes Ben from a good person to a bad person. Without that influence, he's a good man that does the right thing.
As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.


Changed your mind about the island making Ben a bad person?
Im not trying to be a dick.. and i see what you are saying about the Temple water changing him.. that makes much more sense than just the island changing him to bad

DaneMcCloud
03-12-2010, 11:23 AM
Changed your mind about the island making Ben a bad person?
Im not trying to be a dick.. and i see what you are saying about the Temple water changing him.. that makes much more sense than just the island changing him to bad

Well technically, it IS the Island that changes him, I was just more specific in the follow up post.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

Yup.

And it's funny how all of the losties are "better" people on the alt storyline.

Without the island they all manage (so far) to find "purpose."

For the current losties they only find purpose after loss (Locke, Ben, Jack, Sawyer, Fatty, Jin) or not at all (again Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Kate, the pilot, Sun, etc.)

The island does not seem to be a place as much as a catalyst...

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 11:36 AM
I was thinking the pool is what healed a person. And because the water was dirty, the pool had lost it's power. Sayid wasn't healed. He died. And the darkness claimed him and brought him back to life.

With Ben, I imagined that the water in the pool was clear. It worked. He was healed, and therefore not claimed. The choices he made were all his own and independent of the healing pool. It was his father's neglect, his guilt about his mother, and his need to belong that lead him to become the power hungry manipulator we've seen. The healing pool took away his innocence only by revealing the power of the island to him at a very young age; before he was ready to understand or handle it.

I think the idea that it is the pool itself - independent of the clarity of the water - that "claims" someone is a really interesting idea. And I hadn't looked at it that way before.

tymania
03-12-2010, 11:40 AM
Does it bother anyone else that every other episode seems to be about one group of people? Example. One episode is about FLOCKE and the people he is recruiting then the next episode is about everyone else that is not involved with FLOCKE.
It doesn’t bother me to the point that I don’t like it, but I wish they would touch base with both groups in every episode.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 11:48 AM
I was thinking the pool is what healed a person. And because the water was dirty, the pool had lost it's power. Sayid wasn't healed. He died. And the darkness claimed him and brought him back to life.

With Ben, I imagined that the water in the pool was clear. It worked. He was healed, and therefore not claimed. The choices he made were all his own and independent of the healing pool. It was his father's neglect, his guilt about his mother, and his need to belong that lead him to become the power hungry manipulator we've seen. The healing pool took away his innocence only by revealing the power of the island to him at a very young age; before he was ready to understand or handle it.

I think the idea that it is the pool itself - independent of the clarity of the water - that "claims" someone is a really interesting idea. And I hadn't looked at it that way before.

Catalyst.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 11:51 AM
It doesnít bother me to the point that I donít like it, but I wish they would touch base with both groups in every episode.

They pretty much do.

I think that Michael is the only variable not touched on in this season so far.

You don't build up a character that much and not explain/kill him of...

tymania
03-12-2010, 11:53 AM
They pretty much do.



Not really... They showed MIB or FLOCKE once in this last episode and that was when he tried to recruit ben.. Otherwise from my memory they didnt say Anything about the situation with the people following MIB

DaneMcCloud
03-12-2010, 12:00 PM
Does it bother anyone else that every other episode seems to be about one group of people? Example. One episode is about FLOCKE and the people he is recruiting then the next episode is about everyone else that is not involved with FLOCKE.
It doesn’t bother me to the point that I don’t like it, but I wish they would touch base with both groups in every episode.

There's only 40 minutes each week in which to tell this story. They have 17 hours this in which to complete the series.

It would be very poor narrative form if they constantly "checked-in" on other characters while revealing a specific character's arc.

You're just impatient.

:D

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 12:01 PM
There are a lot of different "camps" or storylines happening in this season. I think at one point we had The Temple Others, Jack & Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Jin & Claire, Ilan & Co., and Richard all off in different directions. Plus the alt timeline... but I think we're at the point where all the stories are starting to gel. I think we'll see more of a balance of each camp as we roll along.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 12:07 PM
There are a lot of different "camps" or storylines happening in this season. I think at one point we had The Temple Others, Jack & Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Jin & Claire, Ilan & Co., and Richard all off in different directions. Plus the alt timeline... but I think we're at the point where all the stories are starting to gel. I think we'll see more of a balance of each camp as we roll along.

I would guess it also plays into the Roma/Minerva mythology.

JMO...

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 12:46 PM
I would guess it also plays into the Roma/Minerva mythology.

JMO...
I'm not familiar w/ Roma/Minerva... I'll have to check out that mythology. Any suggestions on good sites to start researching?

tymania
03-12-2010, 12:48 PM
There's only 40 minutes each week in which to tell this story. They have 17 hours this in which to complete the series.

It would be very poor narrative form if they constantly "checked-in" on other characters while revealing a specific character's arc.

You're just impatient.

:D

Maybe a little Impatient:).. i just got to thinking about it after the last weeks episode..I was thinking about Jin and sawyer..
Where is Jin? Is he just roaming the Jungle now???
And Sawyer where is he? just chillin in the Cave waiting for MIB to come back?

DaneMcCloud
03-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Maybe a little Impatient:).. i just got to thinking about it after the last weeks episode..I was thinking about Jin and sawyer..
Where is Jin? Is he just roaming the Jungle now???
And Sawyer where is he? just chillin in the Cave waiting for MIB to come back?

Dude, the entire series has been like this where they focus on one particular character's arc, with other island happenings interspersed.

They're following the same exact formula they've used from day one.

It's not a movie, it's television serial.

The answers you seek will be revealed by the end of the series.

Patience, young padawan.

Baby Lee
03-12-2010, 01:00 PM
As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

I don't think Ben was ever intrinsically evil or that the procedure had anything to do with it. He had been 'turned' evil by a fundamental misunderstanding of his role in life. He'd been given a calling and was told it was important, and his belief in that calling led him to a hardened heart and ruthless manner. Upon learning of Jacob's disappointment in him and in the wake of Alex's death, he's beginning to learn that if he's true to his better nature, his calling will realize itself.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 01:00 PM
I'm not familiar w/ Roma/Minerva... I'll have to check out that mythology. Any suggestions on good sites to start researching?

Not off hand.

But if you can find the story of her and Arachne it would seem relevant.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 01:08 PM
I don't think Ben was ever intrinsically evil or that the procedure had anything to do with it. He had been 'turned' evil by a fundamental misunderstanding of his role in life.

He became what every opportunity on the island allowed him to be.

The island is what allowed him to be him, without constraint, the person he really was.

Rausch
03-12-2010, 01:10 PM
Dude, the entire series has been like this where they focus on one particular character's arc, with other island happenings interspersed.

It's very simple.

The premise is "If I ripped you away from all civilization, everything you know, or want, or fear, who would you be then?..."

The answer is all you would be left with is YOU...

tymania
03-12-2010, 01:17 PM
Dude, the entire series has been like this where they focus on one particular character's arc, with other island happenings interspersed.

They're following the same exact formula they've used from day one.

It's not a movie, it's television serial.

The answers you seek will be revealed by the end of the series.

Patience, young padawan.

yes masta!
I know this how the whole series has been.. its just like WTF.. what happened to them? sawyer hasnt been in the last 2 episodes

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 01:25 PM
Judging by the previews, I'm sure we'll find out what's up with Sawyer next week.

tymania
03-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Im sure we will too.. i have missed him dearly!:(

Baby Lee
03-12-2010, 01:29 PM
He became what every opportunity on the island allowed him to be.

The island is what allowed him to be him, without constraint, the person he really was.

I think there's a meditation on imperfectly understood belief systems at play. previous Ben was not who he REALLY was, he was who he would when he believed he was on the side of the righteous.

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 01:36 PM
Im sure we will too.. i have missed him dearly!:(
Me too! Which is one of the reasons why I love this show.

Back is S1/S2 I hated Sawyer. After the Sun "kidnapping" I thought he was beyond trust, beyond redemption. But now... he's become one of my favorite characters, and one I often route for. His arch has been a highlight of the show, IMO. I'm excited to see what's next for him.

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 01:37 PM
I think there's a meditation on imperfectly understood belief systems at play. previous Ben was not who he REALLY was, he was who he would when he believed he was on the side of the righteous.
Interesting.

So then, are you saying you think Ben no longer believes he's on the side of righteousness?

tymania
03-12-2010, 01:38 PM
Me too! Which is one of the reasons why I love this show.

Back is S1/S2 I hated Sawyer. After the Sun "kidnapping" I thought he was beyond trust, beyond redemption. But now... he's become one of my favorite characters, and one I often route for. His arch has been a highlight of the show, IMO. I'm excited to see what's next for him.

Completely agree..every character has grown a lot through out the series.. but i find Sawyer's to be the most interesting... and his character has grown probably the most out of any character in the show through out the series!

Baby Lee
03-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Interesting.

So then, are you saying you think Ben no longer believes he's on the side of righteousness?

I think he's relieved of the notion that fruition of Jacob's plan is dependent on his machinations.

Maybe I should have initially clarifed that he thought he was ACTING on the side of the righteous.

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 01:46 PM
Completely agree..every character has grown a lot through out the series.. but i find Sawyer's to be the most interesting... and his character has grown probably the most out of any character in the show through out the series!
Absolutley.

Ben may have just caught up to Sawyer in the "growth" department in this last episode. We'll have to see if Ben's change of heart is genuine and sticks, or if it's more of the same manipulation... but there's no doubt Sawyer's journey as been outstanding.

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 01:47 PM
I think he's relieved of the notion that fruition of Jacob's plan is dependent on his machinations.

Maybe I should have initially clarifed that he thought he was ACTING on behalf of the righteous.
Ah.

Yes. Agreed.

DaneMcCloud
03-12-2010, 02:19 PM
I don't think Ben was ever intrinsically evil or that the procedure had anything to do with it. He had been 'turned' evil by a fundamental misunderstanding of his role in life. He'd been given a calling and was told it was important, and his belief in that calling led him to a hardened heart and ruthless manner. Upon learning of Jacob's disappointment in him and in the wake of Alex's death, he's beginning to learn that if he's true to his better nature, his calling will realize itself.

Well, Richard did say that once Ben was "healed" by the Temple, he would never be the same.

We saw first hand how Sayid was "healed" by the Temple and how the "darkness" grew in heart.

I believe they're drawing that parallel but we'll see.

Brainiac
03-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Completely agree..every character has grown a lot through out the series.. but i find Sawyer's to be the most interesting... and his character has grown probably the most out of any character in the show through out the series!
Hurley has definitely grown the most.

Red Brooklyn
03-12-2010, 03:31 PM
Hurley has definitely grown the most.
Yeah, that DHARMA Ranch dressing will do that to ya. :)

Guru
03-12-2010, 10:46 PM
William Atherton played all three parts. The guy from Real Genius, the guy from Die Hard, and the guy from Lost. I don't know why IMDB doesn't have him credited for the Lost character.Thanks. I knew I wasn't nuts.

Ari Chi3fs
03-13-2010, 10:47 AM
http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/record-theory-awesome/

Interesting "Record Theory"

Ari Chi3fs
03-13-2010, 10:50 AM
Yeah, Jack "Shepard" does make it look like he is the chosen one.

Chiefnj2
03-16-2010, 10:56 PM
Didn't learn too much tonight. Next week looks great.

tymania
03-17-2010, 08:18 AM
Didn't learn too much tonight. Next week looks great.

Yeah lastnight's episode was a build up episode leading into next week, i would say.. still was a pretty good episode though.

Prediction: Sawyer is going to die or stay behind in order to help kate get off the island. And in the Flashsideways he was a cop? WTF didnt see that coming...i like it though.

BigRedChief
03-17-2010, 08:26 AM
Didn't learn too much tonight. Next week looks great.More of a makeup episode for Sawyer because he has been neglected lately. Women love the dude. My wife said ...I'm going to miss looking at Sawyer...ROFL

So whitmore is with/for Jacob despite Jacob allowing him to be cast off the island?

Whitmore ain't stupid, he knows Sawyer is going to screw them and tell them they are there. He knows that and is planning accordingly. Yeah, I think Sawyer dies to save people and get them off the Island. He's already sacrificed getting off the island for Kate once. Someone people like has to die. Sayid dying wouldn't have the same impact beyond his own personal redemption.

tymania
03-17-2010, 08:34 AM
More of a makeup episode for Sawyer because he has been neglected lately. Women love the dude. My wife said ...I'm going to miss looking at Sawyer...ROFL

So whitmore is with/for Jacob despite Jacob allowing him to be cast off the island?

Whitmore ain't stupid, he knows Sawyer is going to screw them and tell them they are there. He knows that and is planning accordingly. Yeah, I think Sawyer dies to save people and get them off the Island. He's already sacrificed getting off the island for Kate once. Someone people like has to die. Sayid dying wouldn't have the same impact beyond his own personal redemption.

Yeah i got the feeling that Whitmore knew what Sawyer was up to, too. But ultimately i dont see Whitmore winning the battle, i could be wrong though.
I wonder if Jack will get involved with the "battle" at all.

rad
03-17-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm kinda confused about what year it is...I thought it was still 1977 on the island. I need to go back and rewatch some previous episodes to refresh my memory. I think I'm starting to get short-term memory loss.

Also, I think I may be getting short-term memory loss.

tymania
03-17-2010, 08:45 AM
I'm kinda confused about what year it is...I thought it was still 1977 on the island. I need to go back and rewatch some previous episodes to refresh my memory. I think I'm starting to get short-term memory loss.

Also, I think I may be getting short-term memory loss.

ROFL.. the buddah bug gettin to ya? :)

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 08:51 AM
Yeah lastnight's episode was a build up episode leading into next week, i would say.. still was a pretty good episode though.

Prediction: Sawyer is going to die or stay behind in order to help kate get off the island. And in the Flashsideways he was a cop? WTF didnt see that coming...i like it though.

I don't think it's really a buildup to next week. My understanding is that next week is the Richard episode and you get a really big explanation of the mythology and history of the island and MIB/Jacob.

Over at dark ufo some "spies" who had access to episodes already filmed, and who gave them scores prior to their airing have been pretty spot on up to date (lowest rated Kate and Sawyer episodes). They have next weeks as the highest rated of the season.

tymania
03-17-2010, 08:54 AM
I don't think it's really a buildup to next week. My understanding is that next week is the Richard episode and you get a really big explanation of the mythology and history of the island and MIB/Jacob.

Over at dark ufo some "spies" who had access to episodes already filmed, and who gave them scores prior to their airing have been pretty spot on up to date (lowest rated Kate and Sawyer episodes). They have next weeks as the highest rated of the season.

thats right i forgot about the Richard centric episode.. that should be excellent!! cant wait!

Shag
03-17-2010, 08:59 AM
Pretty "blah" episode, IMHO. Didn't do any major advancement of the story, and didn't really help drive to the end of the show. I was very surprised to see an episode like that at this point in the series...

rad
03-17-2010, 08:59 AM
ROFL.. the buddah bug gettin to ya? :)

Nah....been a while since I did that. Just thought that was a good place for that joke.
As for the year thing, that's legit. I'm really confused about the year. I think I may have some stuff confused because I thought the Ajira flight was in '07.

tymania
03-17-2010, 09:03 AM
Nah....been a while since I did that. Just thought that was a good place for that joke.
As for the year thing, that's legit. I'm really confused about the year. I think I may have some stuff confused because I thought the Ajira flight was in '07.

It was when it crashed Jack and the others were sent back in time.. if you remember they disappeared from the plane once it crashed.. and everyone else on the plane landed on the Hydro island, in present time. Then Jack did the whole Hydrogen bomb thing to get back to present time

rad
03-17-2010, 09:26 AM
It was when it crashed Jack and the others were sent back in time.. if you remember they disappeared from the plane once it crashed.. and everyone else on the plane landed on the Hydro island, in present time. Then Jack did the whole Hydrogen bomb thing to get back to present time

Oh OK...I thought that since the bomb "didn't work", it was still 1977.

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 09:29 AM
Pretty "blah" episode, IMHO. Didn't do any major advancement of the story, and didn't really help drive to the end of the show. I was very surprised to see an episode like that at this point in the series...

Is it news/ a reveal that Widmore is against the MIB? I always thought that Widmore was against Ben, and Ben was aligned with Jacob, thus Widmore was an ally with MIB.

Baby Lee
03-17-2010, 09:37 AM
So was Smokey's story to Kate about his crazy mom;

true?
made up out of whole cloth?
an appropriation of Locke's story?

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 09:47 AM
So was Smokey's story to Kate about his crazy mom;

true?
made up out of whole cloth?
an appropriation of Locke's story?

Do you really want to know?

Baby Lee
03-17-2010, 09:49 AM
Do you really want to know?

I'm kinda hoping, if it's true, we get a full vetting in;

in 'ancient' episode, presumably when Smokey and Jason are kids

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 09:59 AM
I'm kinda hoping, if it's true, we get a full vetting in;

in 'ancient' episode, presumably when Smokey and Jason are kids

Has Locke lied since being turned into Smokey?

I guess we learned that Sayid definitely has the sickness - by refusing to help Kate.

BigRedChief
03-17-2010, 10:10 AM
To allow Smokey off the island would endanger the whole world. He coudn't be stopped. The only way to contain him or keep him out looks to be the magic dust they used around the temple.

PhillyChiefFan
03-17-2010, 10:13 AM
Has Locke lied since being turned into Smokey?

I guess we learned that Sayid definitely has the sickness - by refusing to help Kate.

Yea, that was the part that really got to me.

Kate called for his help and he just sat there and did nothing.

I do not recall a lie, a deception possibly, by not telling Sawyer exactly what he was getting into by going over to the other island.

PhillyChiefFan
03-17-2010, 10:13 AM
I have a dumb question, hoping someone can answer it for me.

What tipped Sawyer off that Zoe was lying to him? All she said she was going to Guam to see her boyfriend?

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 10:35 AM
I have a dumb question, hoping someone can answer it for me.

What tipped Sawyer off that Zoe was lying to him? All she said she was going to Guam to see her boyfriend?

I think it was a combination of not knowing where the plane was going and asking too many questions about the people he was with - how many, are they armed, etc.

tymania
03-17-2010, 10:50 AM
What i was wondering is how Whitmore convinced the people from the Plane crash on Hydro island to join him so fast? I mean he wasn’t even on the island yet in the last episode and now these people have joined his side..
Did he promise to get them off the island?
Or did they already know he was coming? Maybe he put these individuals on the plane because he knew it was going to crash land onto the island?!

Chiefnj2
03-17-2010, 10:51 AM
What i was wondering is how Whitmore convinced the people from the Plane crash on Hydro island to join him so fast? I mean he wasnít even on the island yet in the last episode and now these people have joined his side..
Did he promise to get them off the island?
Or did they already know he was coming? Maybe he put these individuals on the plane because he knew it was going to crash land onto the island?!

I thought the people with him all came on the submarine. Were they on the flight?

tymania
03-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Has Locke lied since being turned into Smokey?

I guess we learned that Sayid definitely has the sickness - by refusing to help Kate.

From what we know so far i wouldnt say he has lied.. he might have left some details out, or bent the truth a little bit..

tymania
03-17-2010, 10:55 AM
I thought the people with him all came on the submarine. Were they on the flight?

Maybe im mistaken.. but that zoei or whoever that sawyer ran into, and the guys that came out of the bush's with guns to capture sawyer.. were they not on the plane that crashed on the Hydro Island??

PhillyChiefFan
03-17-2010, 11:20 AM
I was under the impression that the people left behind that were really on the Ajira flight, were the ones that were killed.

Whitmore's people killed them and waited for someone from Smoke Monster's clan to come over to that island. Am I wrong on that?