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Mr. Laz
10-13-2004, 10:33 AM
Chiefs notes: Kennison to start against Jags


FINALLY HEALTHY

Wide receiver Eddie Kennison, who missed the last two and half games with a hamstring injury, showed no ill effects after working near full speed on Monday and will start at Jacksonville.

With the exception of Marc Boerigter, who is out for the season with a knee injury, all of the Chiefs' receivers are healthy at one time.

“Monday was the first time we had all of our wide receivers on a practice field, healthy and practicing since the third day of training camp,” Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. “Now, if we can stay that way for the rest of the week it'll be the first time we've played a ballgame with everybody 100 percent which would be nice.”

INJURY UPDATE

Vermeil said that starting outside linebacker Scott Fujita (ankle) and starting defensive tackle Ryan Sims (hamstring) are “very doubtful” for Sunday's game but that Fujita would have a better chance of playing than Sims.

If Sims can't go, John Browning would shift back to tackle from right end and Vonnie Holliday would start at right end. Rookie defensive end Jared Allen, who missed the Baltimore game with a knee injury, returned to practice Monday and will play this week.

ANOTHER KICKER?

The Chiefs worked out NFL Europe kicker Hines Quast but have no plans to add him as a kickoff specialist for now. However, Vermeil has expressed displeasure with Lawrence Tynes' kickoffs and would like to see an improvement in coming weeks. Tynes, who has hit four of six field goals, has struggled with hang time.

Opponents have had an averaging starting position of their own 32-yard line against the Chiefs, which is the best in the NFL. Tynes' problem, according to Vermeil, may be that he's trying to kick the ball too hard.

“I think, like any of us who understand the game of golf, when you swing too hard at something you don't hit it as well,” Vermeil said. “I think he was trying to hit the ball too hard (at Baltimore). Hopefully, we can solve that problem.”

ETC.

• Middle linebacker Mike Maslowski, who is out for the season with a knee injury, underwent surgery and is in good spirits according to Vermeil. Also, Boerigter will undergo his final knee surgery on Friday in Colorado.

• Rookie tight end Kris Wilson, who suffered a broken leg in the preseason finale at Dallas, has removed his walking cast and is on schedule for a return to practice in four weeks according to Vermeil.

— Ivan Carter/The Star

milkman
10-13-2004, 10:41 AM
If Sims can't go, John Browning would shift back to tackle from right end and Vonnie Holliday would start at right end. Rookie defensive end Jared Allen, who missed the Baltimore game with a knee injury, returned to practice Monday and will play this week.

I won't be the least bit surprised if the improvement we've witnessed over the last 2 weeks disappears with Holliday back, and Browning returning to the middle.

Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.

Mr. Laz
10-13-2004, 10:42 AM
I won't be the least bit surprised if the improvement we've witnessed over the last 2 weeks disappears with Holliday back, and Browning returning to the middle.

Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.

yep

ChiefsFanatik88
10-13-2004, 10:43 AM
Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.


Agreed

Swanman
10-13-2004, 10:55 AM
I won't be the least bit surprised if the improvement we've witnessed over the last 2 weeks disappears with Holliday back, and Browning returning to the middle.

Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.

Even if they don't start Siavii in the middle with Browning at the end, I'm confident that they'll do that during the game if Holliday sucks as expected.

R&GHomer
10-13-2004, 11:00 AM
Holliday needs to pull his head out of his azz and start playing some damn football. What a total disapointment

milkman
10-13-2004, 11:00 AM
Even if they don't start Siavii in the middle with Browning at the end, I'm confident that they'll do that during the game if Holliday sucks as expected.

Why the confidence?
The coaching staff hasn't put the pieces together to draw the correlation in the 4 games played, 2 solid performances with Holliday out and Browning at end, 2 poor ones with Holliday in and Browning in the middle.

What would make you think that they can reach the right conclusion in just a few plays?

homey
10-13-2004, 11:05 AM
Well, Chris Horn was nice for a week I guess...

PHOG
10-13-2004, 11:07 AM
I'm OK with Holliday starting....


(for 1 play, and then go stand on the sideline....biotch)

milkman
10-13-2004, 11:10 AM
Well, Chris Horn was nice for a week I guess...

I don't think Kennison's return will affect Horn.
I think the Chiefs, like most of us, feel that Hall's effectiveness as a returner is being hampered by all his time on the offense.

They'll use Horn, so that Hall can do what he does best.

ChiTown
10-13-2004, 11:12 AM
I don't think Kennison's return will affect Horn.
I think the Chiefs, like most of us, feel that Hall's effectiveness as a returner is being hampered by all his time on the offense.

They'll use Horn, so that Hall can do what he does best.

Bingo

Hall needs to spend the Lions share of his time field kicks and punts. Use him in spread formations and trick plays, but that's it.

Mr. Laz
10-13-2004, 11:16 AM
Why the confidence?
The coaching staff hasn't put the pieces together to draw the correlation in the 4 games played, 2 solid performances with Holliday out and Browning at end, 2 poor ones with Holliday in and Browning in the middle.

What would make you think that they can reach the right conclusion in just a few plays?

i feel the same about the kicker situation


IMO Tynes is NOT the problem ... the issue is the coverage units on both punts and kickoffs. Their inability to get off blocks and get down feel quickly is killing us. The tackling by the whole team blows... including special teams.



it's disappointing really... i expected Vermeil to run a more fundamentally sound team.

milkman
10-13-2004, 11:22 AM
i feel the same about the kicker situation


IMO Tynes is NOT the problem ... the issue is the coverage units on both punts and kickoffs. Their inability to get off blocks and get down feel quickly is killing us. The tackling by the whole team blows... including special teams.



it's disappointing really... i expected Vermeil to run a more fundamentally sound team.

Watching on TV, I can't really see how high he's kicking the ball, so I can't speak to the hang time issue.

But I have seen the same problems with shedding blockers and tackling that you have.

It seems that if there was just a couple of guys who could make plays on STs, there wouldn't be a field position issue.

DeepSouth
10-13-2004, 11:22 AM
I think the Chiefs, like most of us, feel that Hall's effectiveness as a returner is being hampered by all his time on the offense.

They'll use Horn, so that Hall can do what he does best.

Evidently, Vermiel doesn't agree;

Q: Do you think it’ll be easier for Dante now on kick returns that he doesn’t have to concentrate as much on wide receiver duties?

DICK VERMEIL: “No, I don’t think it’ll make any difference. I really don’t. We’ve done a good job of rotating him in ball games and keeping him fresh for the kick returns but I really think we’ve got to find a punter and place kicker that’ll provide the kind of ball it takes to return ‘em. Number two, we in the front group have got to do a good job. His best returns have been called back because of penalties. The best punt return has been called back. But sooner or later as the season goes, on his own innate ability when we don’t block anybody, it might be the one he returns.”

milkman
10-13-2004, 11:26 AM
Evidently, Vermiel doesn't agree;

Q: Do you think it’ll be easier for Dante now on kick returns that he doesn’t have to concentrate as much on wide receiver duties?

DICK VERMEIL: “No, I don’t think it’ll make any difference. I really don’t. We’ve done a good job of rotating him in ball games and keeping him fresh for the kick returns but I really think we’ve got to find a punter and place kicker that’ll provide the kind of ball it takes to return ‘em. Number two, we in the front group have got to do a good job. His best returns have been called back because of penalties. The best punt return has been called back. But sooner or later as the season goes, on his own innate ability when we don’t block anybody, it might be the one he returns.”

I don't know whether this means that Hall will get in as much on offense or not.
I do know, however, I don't believe about half of what Dick says, and I doubt the other half.

dtrain
10-13-2004, 01:32 PM
I won't be the least bit surprised if the improvement we've witnessed over the last 2 weeks disappears with Holliday back, and Browning returning to the middle.

Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.

That definitely has my vote!!!

Iowanian
10-13-2004, 02:43 PM
If Siavii would start, who would be the next DT?

I'm all for starting Siavii and Browing at RDE, and bringing Browning/Holiday into the middle on Passing downs with Allen/Stills on the ends.

Containment appears to be the key to stopping Fred Taylor, and that hasn't exactly been Holiday's dominant trait.......even though he was brought in to "stop the run".

Rausch
10-13-2004, 02:48 PM
It seems that if there was just a couple of guys who could make plays on STs, there wouldn't be a field position issue.

We have 3 really good special teams players. Stills went to the probowl.

Problem is, 2 of the three are on IR. That leaves Stills and a bunch of arm tackling back ups that can't start on an average to poor defense.

BigChiefFan
10-13-2004, 02:50 PM
I tend to agree about Holliday. For a player that is trying to EARN the 2nd tier of his contract he sure isn't doing a convincing job of making that happen. If Holliday was in a band he would be a coaster.

alanm
10-13-2004, 02:58 PM
“Monday was the first time we had all of our wide receivers on a practice field, healthy and practicing since the third day of training camp,” Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. “Now, if we can stay that way for the rest of the week it'll be the first time we've played a ballgame with everybody 100 percent which would be nice.”
I didn't know Kris Wilson made a miraculous recovery from his broken leg. Haven't heard a peep about Sammie Parker. Did Parker also take off the diapers this week? And if he's over his hammy I want to see his speed hit the field. :hmmm:

Baby Lee
10-13-2004, 03:01 PM
“I think, like any of us who understand the game of golf, when you swing too hard at something you don't hit it as well,” Vermeil said. “I think he was trying to hit the ball too hard (at Baltimore). Hopefully, we can solve that problem.”
Not a very sophisticated understanding of the mechanics. If anything, his stroke is misaligned. When it comes to kicking [in my case a soccer ball] or driving a golf ball, when my stroke is aligned, there is no such thing as 'too hard.' It's only too hard in the sense that your foot has too much momentum for your hips to maintain control. If he's trying to kick 'too hard' he's probably out of conditioning.

Mr. Laz
10-13-2004, 04:05 PM
I didn't know Kris Wilson made a miraculous recovery from his broken leg. Haven't heard a peep about Sammie Parker. Did Parker also take off the diapers this week? And if he's over his hammy I want to see his speed hit the field. :hmmm:

i believe the 100% healthy is referring to the wide receivers... kris wilson isn't a wide receiver.



btw i heard last night that wilson is out of his cast and running. they hope to have him back in 3/4 weeks.

tk13
10-13-2004, 04:18 PM
As much as the coaches like to rotate defensive linemen, I think who "starts" is overrated.... I really don't think Holliday/Browning would recieve that much more playing time than the many other various alignments. There will probably even be times where Browning will be a DE and Holliday will be a DT.... I remember them putting that alignment on the field at least once against the Ravens...

htismaqe
10-13-2004, 04:33 PM
I know alot of people won't miss Sims, but him not being on the field is only one facet of this...

Holliday starting is the bigger worry.

:banghead:

irishjayhawk
10-13-2004, 04:34 PM
I won't be the least bit surprised if the improvement we've witnessed over the last 2 weeks disappears with Holliday back, and Browning returning to the middle.

Start Siavii in the middle, and leave Browning at RDE.
I said the same thing to my friends, and they looked at me weird. Then one said that Dalton isn't the best (playing) Dlineman on the team at the current moment.

I have to agree. Hopefully Gunther will make the call on who starts, and hopefully he goes with what works.

Count Zarth
10-13-2004, 04:34 PM
I know alot of people won't miss Sims, but him not being on the field is only one facet of this...

Holliday starting is the bigger worry.

:banghead:

Sims drew all the double teams. I suspect teams will double Dalton now that Sims is out.

That's not good news for the run D.

Deberg_1990
10-13-2004, 04:35 PM
I know alot of people won't miss Sims, but him not being on the field is only one facet of this...

Holliday starting is the bigger worry.

:banghead:

Agreed..why cant we go with Hicks, Savii, Browning and Allen??

irishjayhawk
10-13-2004, 04:36 PM
Dalton isn't on there?

Deberg_1990
10-13-2004, 04:36 PM
Agreed..why cant we go with Hicks, Savii, Browning and Allen??


Or Hicks, Savii, Dalton and Browning??

Count Zarth
10-13-2004, 04:37 PM
Or Hicks, Savii, Dalton and Browning??

It's SIAVII.

And he's not ready to get the majority of the snaps at DT, IMO.

Skip Towne
10-13-2004, 04:48 PM
Not a very sophisticated understanding of the mechanics. If anything, his stroke is misaligned. When it comes to kicking [in my case a soccer ball] or driving a golf ball, when my stroke is aligned, there is no such thing as 'too hard.' It's only too hard in the sense that your foot has too much momentum for your hips to maintain control. If he's trying to kick 'too hard' he's probably out of conditioning.
Yep, Tiger swings his driver too hard.

Deberg_1990
10-13-2004, 05:06 PM
It's SIAVII.

And he's not ready to get the majority of the snaps at DT, IMO.

For lack of a better term...its time to "Take the diapers off this kid" Lets see what hes got!

milkman
10-13-2004, 05:33 PM
It's SIAVII.

And he's not ready to get the majority of the snaps at DT, IMO.

He may not have the experience of Browning, but he's a lot stronger than Browning, who is simply overwhelmed in the middle.

Siavii, in his limited time on the field has been far more stout than Browning.

Simply stated, he doesn't get pushed around nearly as much.

Dave Lane
10-13-2004, 07:01 PM
yep

double yep or start Allen outside.

Dave

whoman69
10-13-2004, 08:04 PM
I am hoping we don't make the mistake we made in game one trying to depend on receivers who have not had the time to get the timing down and are not in top condition.

Mr. Laz
10-13-2004, 10:50 PM
Sims drew all the double teams. I suspect teams will double Dalton now that Sims is out.

That's not good news for the run D.

BS ... Sims does not draw all the double teams


i've watched games and actually counted them before... Browning gets doubled more than sims