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the Talking Can
10-13-2004, 11:58 PM
commie bastards (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/14/snap.poll/index.html)

Early poll: Kerry clear winner in debate

Thursday, October 14, 2004 Posted: 1:12 AM EDT (0512 GMT)


TEMPE, Arizona (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry appeared to gain more momentum heading toward November 2, easily beating President Bush in the third and final debate, a poll taken late Wednesday night suggests.

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate found that respondents gave a significant edge to Kerry over Bush, 52 percent to 39 percent.

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

The numbers were similar to the results of a poll taken the night of the first debate September 30 in Miami, Florida. That night Kerry was favored by a 53 percent to 37 percent margin.

Kerry and Bush were almost even in the second debate on October 5, with the numbers falling with the margin of error.

The respondents Wednesday were 511 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 36 percent Republican, 36 percent Democratic and 28 percent independent.

The poll is a reflection of immediate impressions of only those voters who saw the debate on television, and cannot be applied to all registered voters. Views of all Americans can change in the days after a debate.

Kerry scored big gains, as 42 percent of respondents said they had a more favorable opinion of him after the debate. Bush only increased with 27 percent of those polled.

When asked who would handle domestic issues better, Kerry scored higher in health care (55-41). There was no clear leader on the economy (Kerry 51, Bush 46), education (Kerry 48, Bush 47) or taxes (Bush 50, Kerry 47).

Kerry's biggest win came on the question of who expressed himself better, where 61 percent of respondents chose him over Bush (29 percent).

The president was viewed as more likeable, but Kerry appeared to respondents as having the better understanding of issues (49-37).

As expected, both campaigns declared their candidate the clear victor....

KCWolfman
10-14-2004, 12:00 AM
Well, that seals it.

May as well not even vote.

Ugly Duck
10-14-2004, 12:03 AM
Gallup ran a similar poll before and after the first debate & Kerry came in 16 points ahead. Subsequent polls put him some 30-odd points ahead. This time the immediate poll only has him 13 points in front, so he'll be lucky to be rated as the winner by 65-70% of the folks.

The unscientific internet polls look like this:

http://www.sfgate.com/polls/2004/10/13/debate/result.gif

MadMax
10-14-2004, 12:13 AM
Well, that seals it.

May as well not even vote.

Good! Too many old people cloggin chit up anyways. :thumb:

KCWolfman
10-14-2004, 12:16 AM
Good! Too many old people cloggin chit up anyways. :thumb:
Like the young ones actually vote.

listopencil
10-14-2004, 12:22 AM
Yippeee. Your candidate appealed to the independants who were there at the time. Nobody won this debate. Both candidates restated their missions. That's all that happened. Speaking as an independant, both candidates showed me why I'm not comfortable voting for either one of them. Kerry comes across as a Liberal Socialist and Bush comes across as an Authoritarian Theocrat. If I had to pick one of them I would probably go with Bush and hope that our Constitution, Bill Of Rights and system of checks and balances can keep him from drifting. As it is, I still plan to vote Libertarian. He's on our ballot.

|Zach|
10-14-2004, 12:27 AM
I watched the first debates from start to finish. This time around I prob only tuned in to 5 or 10 mins of it. I am tryign to get with a girl and she gave me a call. That is much much more important.

From what I did see...each side represented themselves well like in the 2nd but it seemed more bland and for lack of a better word...boring.

Frankie
10-14-2004, 12:33 AM
An observation:

After Bush's debacle in the first debate, you could tell that his handlers told him to look "forceful" for the second one. Being Duhbya, he of course mistook that for raising his voice, acting rude and throwing temper tantrums. What was the key advice for him this time? I bet it was, "look focused." Guess he did a fairly good job of that as much as it probably pained him.....

Oh, yeah. He seemed to have learned a new word recently too.... "Litany."

KCWolfman
10-14-2004, 12:48 AM
An observation:

After Bush's debacle in the first debate, you could tell that his handlers told him to look "forceful" for the second one. Being Duhbya, he of course mistook that for raising his voice, acting rude and throwing temper tantrums. What was the key advice for him this time? I bet it was, "look focused." Guess he did a fairly good job of that as much as it probably pained him.....

Oh, yeah. He seemed to have learned a new word recently too.... "Litany."
At least it is two more syllables than "plan".

Frankie
10-14-2004, 12:49 AM
At least it is two more syllables than "plan".
Gotcha!... :)

Donger
10-14-2004, 12:50 AM
Liberals with a gripe: excellent.

I guess Bush did better than I thought.

Ugly Duck
10-14-2004, 01:02 AM
Hmmmm... no wonder BushCo is all upset about the Global Test:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_global_test.gif

Frankie
10-14-2004, 01:13 AM
Hmmmm... no wonder BushCo is all upset about the Global Test:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_global_test.gif

ROFL ROFL ROFL
:clap: :clap: :clap:
:wayne: :thumb: :wayne:

Ugly Duck
10-14-2004, 01:18 AM
But.... but Republicans thought Bush was the clear winner!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_debate_watchers.jpg

Kraut
10-14-2004, 03:28 AM
Both sides are gonna say that their man won. But an ABC poll said that Kerry 42% Bush 41% and the rest said it was a tie. I don't think it was a clear cut win for Kerry.

KCWolfman
10-14-2004, 09:09 AM
ABC radio stated this morning that most sources are calling the debate a "tie".

Why are we quoting 5,000,000 sources as to who "won" and who didn't? In fact, I find the results of the one TC quoted very telling. While the candidates matched up evenly on the issues (with a slight edge to Kerry), Kerry was decided the winner because he sounded more confident.

This crap is insane - not necessarily the polls (or those here interpreting them), but the morons who actually vote with thoughts like "well, I think both men know what they are talking about, but Kerry sounds more confident, so I will vote for him". Is this what our "undecideds" are waiting to decide? Pathetic.

Ugly Duck
10-14-2004, 09:13 AM
This crap is insane - not necessarily the polls (or those here interpreting them), but the morons who actually vote with thoughts like "well, I think both men know what they are talking about, but Kerry sounds more confident, so I will vote for him". Is this what our "undecideds" are waiting to decide? Pathetic.Am I allowed to agree with Wolfman this far into the campaign?

the Talking Can
10-14-2004, 09:19 AM
nded more confident.

This crap is insane - not necessarily the polls (or those here interpreting them), but the morons who actually vote with thoughts like "well, I think both men know what they are talking about, but Kerry sounds more confident, so I will vote for him". Is this what our "undecideds" are waiting to decide? Pathetic.

Not really, the republicans spent 200 million to tell voters that Kerry was a terrorist loving flip-flopper. Now, with their own eyes, millions of Americans have seen that attack destroyed. Kerry looked more like a president than the actual president, who continually scowls, blinks, sweats, stutters like a nervous man.

I think history will show that the first debate cost Bush the election. The 3rd debate just confirmed voters impressions of the first.

Ugly Duck
10-14-2004, 09:24 AM
Kerry 52, Bush 39 Gallup
Kerry 42, Bush 41 ABC
Kerry 39, Bush 25 CBS

Well, I guess one of the polls has it close anyway..... but its still Kerry, Kerry, Kerry....

Hel'n
10-14-2004, 09:26 AM
Kerry 52, Bush 39 Gallup
Kerry 42, Bush 41 ABC
Kerry 39, Bush 25 CBS

Well, I guess one of the polls has it close anyway..... but its still Kerry, Kerry, Kerry....


shhhhh.... they don't wanna hear that...

MadMax
10-19-2004, 10:12 PM
Like the young ones actually vote.


Nah, but they like like the " rock the vote " thingy..... :-) :thumb: