View Full Version : Two Issues of interrest on Radio. Kerry/Islam

10-14-2004, 08:22 AM
According to a news radio station I listen too.

1. John Kerry has pulled 90% of his workers in Missouri.

2. The FBI raided a Islam fund raising business in Columbia Mo.

10-14-2004, 08:40 AM
1. John Kerry has pulled 90% of his workers in Missouri.

Now that's just disgusting. Are the other 10% women?

Chief Henry
10-14-2004, 08:43 AM
Please keep us posted on this raid in Columbia.
I'm very curious about this.

10-14-2004, 08:48 AM
So far I cannot find any info on the net just on the Radio. Something about a fund raisind organization for the Islam Brothers of Africa or something like that.

Ultra Peanut
10-14-2004, 08:55 AM
Sure thing, Ernie.

10-14-2004, 08:57 AM
According to a news radio station I listen too.

1. John Kerry has pulled 90% of his workers in Missouri.

2. The FBI raided a Islam fund raising business in Columbia Mo.

Completely untrue. Edwards was here on Monday and the campaign staff is still active in the KC area.

10-14-2004, 09:02 AM
Completely untrue. Edwards was here on Monday and the campaign staff is still active in the KC area.

How does that statement refute what he said?


Anyway, this is not the first raid in Columbia, IIRC, not too long ago some group in Columbia was getting busted down for sending money to terrorist groups too.

10-14-2004, 09:07 AM
Interesting how this thread is titled to insinuate a connection.

And Bushies' feeling is hurt when Kerry mentions Mary Cheney while making a valid point.

Go figure.

Chief Henry
10-14-2004, 09:14 AM
Interesting how this thread is titled to insinuate a connection.

And Bushies' feeling is hurt when Kerry mentions Mary Cheney while making a valid point.

Go figure.

Hey frankie, Do you have relatives in Columbia?

10-14-2004, 10:13 AM
Hey MeMe I am just informing you of what the radio said this morning. Stated that as of 10-14-04 Kerry is pulling his people from Missouri. Thanks for playing.

Who is Ernie Conwell?

Radar Chief
10-14-2004, 10:55 AM
Who is Ernie Conwell?

Who said “Ernie Conwell”? Psicosis just said “Ernie”. :hmmm:

10-14-2004, 11:23 AM
I have been accussed of being Ernie Conwell before. One of the admin stated that if he finds out I am Ernie Conwell he will ban me. WHo is EC?

10-14-2004, 11:26 AM
The raid was on a group who supposedly help poor ME and Africans. It turns out they may be illegally funding terrorists.

No arrests have been made, but tons of stuff confiscated./

10-14-2004, 11:28 AM
Completely untrue. Edwards was here on Monday and the campaign staff is still active in the KC area.
Not untrue. Kerry pulled all television funds and has drastically reduced other funds spent in Missouri.

Radar Chief
10-14-2004, 12:11 PM
I have been accussed of being Ernie Conwell before. One of the admin stated that if he finds out I am Ernie Conwell he will ban me. WHo is EC?

Sorry, didn’t know that. EC was an extremist republican that used to post here, haven’t seen him in a while.

10-14-2004, 12:17 PM
Completely untrue. Edwards was here on Monday and the campaign staff is still active in the KC area.



Am I missing something or is John Kerry crazy to keep advertising in Washington state while pulling back from Missouri? The facts:
Al Gore won Washington by nearly 140,000 votes, or about 53% of the vote. While not as easy as California, it's a rout compared to Oregon, where Gore squeaked by with a 6,700-vote margin.

The latest survey shows Kerry leading Bush there by 8 points.

George W. Bush won Missouri by a healthy but not robust 79,000 votes. Not as purple as Oregon, but definitely not a solid red.

Bush currently leads in Missouri by 11 points, thanks to his post-convention bounce. But as of two weeks ago, he led by just 4, according to the Hotline's (unlinkable) Scoreboard.

Washington and Missouri have the same number of votes in the electoral college: 11.

So, let's say you're entering the home stretch of a presidential campaign, as Mr. Kerry is right now. You cannot hope to win by winning again the same states your predecessor won the last time and expect to be president -- in fact, electoral reapportioning due to the Census has already subtracted a few votes from the Gore states.

Pop quiz: Do you spend good money in the expensive Seattle market, which you are not going to lose unless the whole thing goes down the tubes in a Bush landslide? Or do you put that money into a state Bill Clinton won twice and which was still losing jobs as of July?

Perhaps not crazy. Just incompetent. Or I'm missing something. But seasoned presidential contest-watchers also know that the road to the White House goes through Missouri. The state has gone to the losing candidate only once in 100 years, when they chose one of the Adlai Stevensons over Ike. Oops. Add in the fact that Missouri is the most demographically representative state in the union, is home to the (theoretical) population center of the U.S. and is but half a state away from the geographic center of the U.S., and you have the ultimate bellwether state.

What does this mean in real campaign terms? Easy: A strategy geared toward winning Missouri necessarily must appeal broadly. A strategy geared toward winning bleeding-heart Washington state is more likely to alienate swing voters who tilt at least somewhat rightward.

It's this simple: Win Missouri, win the presidency. Give up trying to win Missouri and consign yourself to being the sixth Democrat to lose the White House in eight tries.

10-14-2004, 12:20 PM
Completely untrue. Edwards was here on Monday and the campaign staff is still active in the KC area.

Once again jumping to conclusions

Kerry pulling out of Missouri?
Even while John Edwards was in KC yesterday reassuring Missouri Democrats that the campaign is still focused here, Arch City Chronicle reports that John Kerry was deciding to pull it’s staffers out of the state. If this is true, it looks like a premature end to what was an unprecedented field operation much bigger than 2000. It would also be problematic for the Democrats’ strong field of state-wide candidates.

10-14-2004, 12:29 PM
The raid was on the front page of the Star

Here is the article but not the main article.

Posted on Thu, Oct. 14, 2004

FBI expands Muslim charity search to Columbia house, storage lockers

By MARK MORRIS The Kansas City Star

An FBI spokesman said today the bureau plans to search storage lockers in Columbia, Mo., and secure other evidence recovered Wednesday in a raid on a Muslim charity.

On Wednesday, officers from the regional Joint Terrorism Task Force served a search warrant on the Islamic American Relief Agency-USA, carrying away boxes of documents and computers. The material seized under a sealed search warrant almost filled a large U-Haul moving van, which agents had parked in a lot adjacent to IARA offices at 201 Cherry Street in Columbia.

Also Wednesday, the U.S. Treasury Department designated IARA as financial supporters of terrorists, including Osama bin Laden and Hamas.

The action freezes IARA accounts and makes it a criminal offense to contribute to the group.

IARA officials previously have said the agency's aims are peaceful and that the organization has no political agenda or ties to terrorists.

IARA is a global charity with 40 international offices, including Khartoum, Sudan, where the agency was established in 1981. In a report issued Wednesday, the Treasury Department drew several links between the organization's Sudan operations and terrorism.

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for an Islamic civil rights and advocacy group, asked that the public withhold judgment on the charity until actual evidence is presented showing, or disproving, a link to terrorism. Treasury Department sanctions, such as those imposed against IARA on Wednesday, do not use the same standard of evidence that a court would require, said Hooper, communications director for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

“Sometimes, administrative actions that don't require evidence of criminal behavior are imposed and, in effect, it has the same impact as if it had if they had been convicted of a crime,” Hooper said. “In each case, we ask that the charity have their day in court, evidence be presented and that the charity have the constitutionally protected right to meet that evidence in accordance with longstanding American traditions of due process.”

FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said agents planned to search storage lockers today. In anticipation of that, agents changed the locks on the lockers Wednesday, Lanza said.

Task force officers also searched a Columbia residence Wednesday, though Lanza would not say where the home was located or identify its owner.

Also today, Lanza said agents would drive the seized evidence to the FBI's Kansas City field office. A portion of the evidence also would go to a secure facility in Jefferson City.

Computers taken from IARA's headquarters likely would be taken to an FBI electronic forensics lab in the Northland.

10-14-2004, 12:30 PM
Posted on Thu, Oct. 14, 2004

DAVID EULITT/The Kansas City Star
Federal agents raided the Columbia offices of the Islamic American Relief Agency on Wednesday.

• A history of help, controversy
• Islamic American Relief Agency

U.S. freezes Columbia charity's funds

Missouri group accused of backing terrorists, including Osama bin Laden


The Kansas City Star

COLUMBIA — The U.S. Treasury Department on Wednesday froze the assets of a Columbia-based Islamic charity, alleging that it has supported terrorists, including Osama bin Laden.

The Treasury Department's designation of the Islamic American Relief Agency-USA and its overseas network as supporters of terrorism freezes the charity's accounts, funds and assets and makes it a crime to contribute to the group.

About the same time the designation was announced, two dozen agents and officers of the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force raided the agency's offices in Columbia and began hauling away potential evidence.

Despite the timing, FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said the two federal actions were not closely linked.

“Our search is not a result of that designation,” Lanza said. “We have a long-term criminal investigation under way.”

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Kansas City also confirmed that a separate investigation is ongoing, although no charges have been filed.

The charity's president, Abdl Mouhaymen Asibai, could not be reached for comment Wednesday. IARA officials also have not responded to two requests for interviews from The Kansas City Star in recent weeks.

But in interviews since 2001 IARA officials have said the agency's intentions are benevolent and that it has no political agenda.

The raid's focus was a white brick, split-level office building at 201 Cherry St. The charity occupies the lower level, while a bridal wear shop and sewing center uses the upper portion. Officers cordoned off the street around the building and blocked access to an adjacent parking lot.

The search began about 2:30 p.m., when task force officers began hauling out boxes and computers, loading them into a moving truck and a minivan. Agents also towed away two vehicles.

No employees were arrested during the raid. A recent business report lists 14 employees working at the Columbia office.

The Islamic charity has been the focus of federal interest since at least 1999 and currently is the subject of a Senate Finance Committee investigation, which is seeking possible links between charities and terrorist financing networks.

The announcement Wednesday by the Treasury Department goes far beyond any previous allegation made against IARA, which also has used the name Islamic African Relief Agency. The charity works from more than 40 offices worldwide.

“The international offices of IARA were providing direct financial support to Osama bin Laden, al Qaida, Hamas and other terrorist groups,” Treasury Secretary John W. Snow said in a written statement. “Today's action shuts down financial channels that were being used to propagate terrorist activity.”

The Treasury Department designation also identified five senior IARA officials as supporters of terrorism.

The five: Mohammed Ibrahim Sulaiman, secretary general of IARA's office in Khartoum, Sudan; Jaffar Ahmad Abdullah Makki, director of the agency's south Asia region; Abdul Aziz Abbakar Muhamad, the charity's director in Peshwar, Pakistan; and Ibrahim Buisir, IARA's representative in Ireland; and Khalid Ahmad Jumah Al-Sudani, IARA's regional director in Amman, Jordan.

It was not clear Wednesday evening how much time, if any, the five men listed in the Treasury Department sanction spent in Columbia.

IARA's office in Columbia was incorporated in Missouri in 1985. However, African press reports and European scholars put the agency founding closer to 1981 in Khartoum.

According to the Treasury Department's summary of its case against the agency, IARA formerly had ties to Maktab al-Khidamat, or MK, an early incarnation of al Qaida that also was co-founded and financed by bin Laden.

“IARA, MK and (bin Laden) commingled funds and cooperated closely in the raising and expenditure of funds,” the Treasury summary stated. “IARA engaged in a joint program with an institute controlled by (bin Laden) that was involved in providing assistance to Taliban fighters.”

The report alleged other instances of cooperation between the charity and terrorists:

• An IARA leader in Afghanistan accompanied an MK leader on a trip to Sudan and nations in the Middle East in 2000 where they raised $5 million for MK activities;

• Through a liaison, bin Laden funneled money to IARA in 1997.

• Also in 1997, IARA reportedly provided financial support for a group of terrorists planning to strike U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia.

• Overseas branches of IARA provided “hundreds of thousands of dollars” to bin Laden in 1999.

• A bin Laden lieutenant was director of IARA's operations in Afghanistan. “This individual was identified as an expert in terrorism, bomb planning and guerrilla operations,” the summary stated.

• When bin Laden was under pressure to leave the Sudan in 1996, an IARA official was involved in discussions to help relocate him to a safer country, the report contends. Later, a Sudanese national traveled to Mali and stayed with an IARA director while assessing whether that African nation would be suitable for bin Laden.

Treasury Department officials also contended that IARA raised money for Hamas in an unidentified Western European country, using collection boxes marked “Allah” and “Israel,” to suggest that the money would be spent for attacks on Israelis.

International terrorism analyst Steven Emerson said the federal move against IARA reflects longstanding concerns about the relationship between some Islamic charities and terrorists. In July, a federal grand jury in Dallas indicted the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development for allegedly sending about $12.4 million to support Hamas since 1995.

“This only goes to show that it's not just an isolated case,” Emerson said. “There were mainstream charitable conduits that were suspected of being used to finance terrorism. This is additional evidence of the problem.”

Lanza said 11 agencies were involved in the raid. In addition to the FBI, they included: the Columbia, University of Missouri, Kansas City and Kansas City, Kan., police departments, the Missouri Highway Patrol, Secret Service, the U.S. Postal Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and employees of the Federal Air Marshal Program.