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KingPriest2
10-15-2004, 11:02 AM
Poll: GIs, Families Trust Bush Over Kerry



WASHINGTON (AP) - When asked who they would trust as commander in chief, people in military service and their families chose President Bush over Sen. John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, by almost a 3-to-1 margin.

Bush, who served in the Texas Air National Guard, was more trusted by 69 percent while 24 percent said they trusted Kerry more, according to the National Annenberg Election Survey released Friday.

Among all Americans, Bush has a more narrow advantage on trust to be commander in chief, 50-41.

The military sample was far more likely to be Republican than Democratic, which could help explain the more favorable view of the president. Four in 10, 43 percent, of the military sample said they were Republicans, while 19 percent said Democrats and 27 percent independents.


Those in the military and their families have a more favorable view of Bush than Americans generally, and they take a more optimistic view about Iraq, the economy and the nation's direction.


A majority in the military sample, 64 percent, said the country is on the right track. Among Americans generally, 55 percent said the country is headed in the wrong direction.


The National Annenberg Election Survey found that seven in 10, 69 percent, had a favorable view of Bush. Only three in 10, 29 percent, had a favorable view of Kerry.


The Annenberg poll, which does not report head-to-head preferences, did not ask the military respondents who they support for president. The report cited a 1948 law that prohibits polling members of the military about their voting intent.


The poll of 655 in the active military and their families was taken Sept. 22-Oct. 5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. Their answers were compared to those of 2,436 adults surveyed between Sept. 7-Oct. 3 with a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 11:07 AM
Wow, that is a shock.

I bet if they polled Anti-War protesters they'd get the reverse results...

dontcha think?

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 11:12 AM
http://www.jokeornot.com/gallery/state_the%20obvious.jpg

Donger
10-15-2004, 11:12 AM
Wow, that is a shock.

Are you being sarcastic?

I bet if they polled Anti-War protesters they'd get the reverse results...

dontcha think?

Almost certainly. Then again, Bush isn't CINC of the anti-war protesters, is he.

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 11:15 AM
http://www.jokeornot.com/gallery/state_the%20obvious.jpg

ROFL :thumb:

http://starchy.choosehosting.com/master_of_the_obvious.jpg

Brock
10-15-2004, 11:16 AM
What with the moms "dying of broken hearts", I wouldn't expect this to be true.

jcl-kcfan2
10-15-2004, 11:17 AM
Are you being sarcastic?



Almost certainly. Then again, Bush isn't CINC of the anti-war protesters, is he.

But I guess Kerry is CINC of anti-war protesters.

KCWolfman
10-15-2004, 11:19 AM
Wow, that is a shock.

I bet if they polled Anti-War protesters they'd get the reverse results...

dontcha think?
So you believe the links posted to the liberal threads regarding our soldiers' viewpoints in Iraq are anamolies and not the standard mindset?

KCWolfman
10-15-2004, 11:19 AM
http://www.jokeornot.com/gallery/state_the%20obvious.jpg
So you believe the links posted to the liberal threads regarding our soldiers' viewpoints in Iraq are anamolies and not the standard mindset?

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 11:21 AM
So you believe the links posted to the liberal threads regarding our soldiers' viewpoints in Iraq are anamolies and not the standard mindset?
No, I believe that the poll results from a subset of society that is predominanently Republican stating that they support a Republican candidate isn't earthshaking news...

Edit: Answering further, I'm uncertain what links you're talking about. My participation on the Cheifs BB and the DC forum in particular has been extremely sporatic and spotty over the last month or two.

kc1977
10-15-2004, 11:24 AM
Wow, that is a shock.

I bet if they polled Anti-War protesters they'd get the reverse results...

dontcha think?

So quit using them as propaganda to further your cause. You talk about how Bush has sent all these people off to war, and you bash Bush for that. But the people he sent sure support the guy. I know...my wife is in the military.

So, QUIT using them to justify your attacks on Bush...they don't want to be used.

kc1977
guessing memememe and amnorix will not see a connection

KCWolfman
10-15-2004, 11:28 AM
So quit using them as propaganda to further your cause. You talk about how Bush has sent all these people off to war, and you bash Bush for that. But the people he sent sure support the guy. I know...my wife is in the military.

So, QUIT using them to justify your attacks on Bush...they don't want to be used.

kc1977
guessing memememe and amnorix will not see a connection
But since GWB used their names, she should be able to do the same.

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 11:32 AM
So quit using them as propaganda to further your cause. You talk about how Bush has sent all these people off to war, and you bash Bush for that. But the people he sent sure support the guy. I know...my wife is in the military.

So, QUIT using them to justify your attacks on Bush...they don't want to be used.

kc1977
guessing memememe and amnorix will not see a connection

There is a connection.

You will never see me post something that says "our military personnel object to being sent to Iraq", or "...don't want to be oding this", or "...don't believe in this mission."

You WILL see me post something like "this was a dumb idea", "this is an unnecessary waste of America's economic and military might", "the American invasion did not accomplish anything significantly helpful to its war against terror or short term strategic goals", etc.

So, IMHO, I have not and will not use America's military PERSONNEL to justify my attacks on Bush. I will certainly feel free to discuss the tremendous drain the Iraq situation has on America's economic and military might in connection with my criticisms, however.

Brock
10-15-2004, 11:34 AM
So, IMHO, I have not and will not use America's military PERSONNEL to justify my attacks on Bush. I will certainly feel free to discuss the tremendous drain the Iraq situation has on America's economic and military might in connection with my criticisms, however.

That's why most around here view you as an asset, very unlike some of your "teammates".

kc1977
10-15-2004, 11:38 AM
There is a connection.

You will never see me post something that says "our military personnel object to being sent to Iraq", or "...don't want to be oding this", or "...don't believe in this mission."

You WILL see me post something like "this was a dumb idea", "this is an unnecessary waste of America's economic and military might", "the American invasion did not accomplish anything significantly helpful to its war against terror or short term strategic goals", etc.

So, IMHO, I have not and will not use America's military PERSONNEL to justify my attacks on Bush. I will certainly feel free to discuss the tremendous drain the Iraq situation has on America's economic and military might in connection with my criticisms, however.

I think you are right. Sorry to lump you in with others.

Radar Chief
10-15-2004, 12:21 PM
That's why most around here view you as an asset, very unlike some of your "teammates".

Indeed.

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 12:29 PM
That's why most around here view you as an asset, very unlike some of your "teammates".

A compliment from you!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


:hmmm: I must be doing something very wrong....

:):p

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 12:33 PM
There is a connection.

You will never see me post something that says "our military personnel object to being sent to Iraq", or "...don't want to be oding this", or "...don't believe in this mission."



Well CNN is reporting that some military refused to go on a fuel supply mission in Iraq...Pentagon investigating. So never say never.

Cochise
10-15-2004, 12:34 PM
It's to be expected. If you go to the military you'll find conservative viewpoints. If you go to the unemployment line you'll find liberal viewpoints.

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 12:49 PM
It's to be expected. If you go to the military you'll find conservative viewpoints. If you go to the unemployment line you'll find liberal viewpoints.

Really? Are only liberals laid off by companies? Link?

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 12:53 PM
Really? Are only liberals laid off by companies? Link?

Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice. The conservative owners of the company somehow managed to keep the positions of the conservatives on the payroll when the downsizing started. :hmmm:

DonksRCrap
10-15-2004, 12:55 PM
Really? Are only liberals laid off by companies? Link?

Education, income, and ethnic demographics make the unemployed more likely to vote Democrat....probably 60-40, maybe 70/30. Unemployed, or those disposed to habitual unemployment, are more supportive of "big government." It's common sense, really.

Donger
10-15-2004, 12:56 PM
Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice. The conservative owners of the company somehow managed to keep the positions of the conservatives on the payroll when the downsizing started. :hmmm:

Seems logical. Get rid of the flotsam first.

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 12:58 PM
Seems logical. Get rid of the flotsam first.

They were just peeved because I pitched their Soldier of Fortune subscriptions and refused to go on a gun run for them on company time. I'm sure the stockholders would love to hear about some of the stuff they did on company time and $$$... :hmmm:

Cochise
10-15-2004, 12:59 PM
Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice. The conservative owners of the company somehow managed to keep the positions of the conservatives on the payroll when the downsizing started. :hmmm:

Phew, going to have to go pick up a new deck of victim cards before the day is over.

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 01:00 PM
Phew, going to have to go pick up a new deck of victim cards before the day is over.

No, they did me a favor. I didn't realize how corrupt the place was until I got out. They are now being investigated, or so I hear, by the Feds.

I'll sing like a canary if I get a call. ROFL

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 01:04 PM
Education, income, and ethnic demographics make the unemployed more likely to vote Democrat....probably 60-40, maybe 70/30. Unemployed, or those disposed to habitual unemployment, are more supportive of "big government." It's common sense, really.

Common sense. Really? Link or F-off with your "common sense"...

Iowanian
10-15-2004, 01:04 PM
No, I believe that the poll results from a subset of society that is predominanently Republican stating that they support a Republican candidate isn't earthshaking news...

Edit: Answering further, I'm uncertain what links you're talking about. My participation on the Chiefs BB and the DC forum in particular has been extremely sporatic and spotty over the last month or two.



Wait a minute..................I thought the Only People in the military were Minorities, Poor whites and those misguided souls who were mislead to war?

Republicans are only wealthy white males.

or so we're told.

DonksRCrap
10-15-2004, 01:06 PM
Common sense. Really? Link or F-off with your "common sense"...

Sometimes intellect blinds one to common sense; happens to us all.

No need to be vulgar; I was just suggesting an explanation for Cochise's position. I'll assume it was a weak moment, because you are one of the few liberals here whom I respect.

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 01:07 PM
maybe this is why:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041015/wl_uk_afp/iraq_britain_us_troops_041015174418

They can only lean on the Brits for so hard for so long. Blair has an election coming up as well. :hmmm:

Iowanian
10-15-2004, 01:07 PM
It's to be expected. If you go to the military you'll find conservative viewpoints. If you go to the unemployment line you'll find liberal viewpoints.

You know that isn't true Cochise................that particular demographic of the Liberal fan base wouldn't be found in an unemployment line.........free cheese maybe.


maybe you were laid off dense, for stirring up too much crap in the workplace instead of working?

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 01:07 PM
Sometimes intellect blinds one to common sense; happens to us all.

No need to be vulgar; I was just suggesting an explanation for Cochise's position. I'll assume it was a weak moment, because you are one of the few liberals here whom I respect.

Let's just say I strongly disagree with your notions of who gets laid off and why.

Radar Chief
10-15-2004, 01:09 PM
Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice. The conservative owners of the company somehow managed to keep the positions of the conservatives on the payroll when the downsizing started. :hmmm:

So they got rid of the bitchy whiners and kept those that worked hard to advance the company. Some places that’s called “stream lining”. :hmmm:

Cochise
10-15-2004, 01:14 PM
Sometimes intellect blinds one to common sense; happens to us all.

No need to be vulgar; I was just suggesting an explanation for Cochise's position. I'll assume it was a weak moment, because you are one of the few liberals here whom I respect.

Well, I was mostly just stirring the pot.

But think about it. If you go in the military you are going to find people who believe in what they are doing. Just like in most industries people will believe in the product they are producing.

If you go to the unemployment line, who do you think a person will have a more favorable opinion of, the guy who says they should only get minimal welfare or the person who talks all day long about entitlements, free health care, and all manner of other freebies?

I mean, it's common sense. I know it sounds offensive to be told that people in an unemployment line are more likely to share your ideology but there is probably something to it. I know you wouldn't find me there... I'd rather clean a grease vat two shifts a day than live off the government nipple

Cochise
10-15-2004, 01:15 PM
So they got rid of the bitchy whiners and kept those that worked hard to advance the company. Some places that’s called “stream lining”. :hmmm:

What? You wouldn't want duhnise working for you? :)

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Well, I was mostly just stirring the pot.

But think about it. If you go in the military you are going to find people who believe in what they are doing. Just like in most industries people will believe in the product they are producing.

If you go to the unemployment line, who do you think a person will have a more favorable opinion of, the guy who says they should only get minimal welfare or the person who talks all day long about entitlements, free health care, and all manner of other freebies?

I mean, it's common sense. I know it sounds offensive to be told that people in an unemployment line are more likely to share your ideology but there is probably something to it. I know you wouldn't find me there... I'd rather clean a grease vat two shifts a day than live off the government nipple

The majority of people in the unemployment line are people who were laid off generally through no particular fault of their own. Indeed, I don't even consider unemployment as part of the "welfare system" that many cry about.

People who are repeatedly on unemployment are, of course, a problem.

Cleaning a grease vat is fine, but you could easily work 40 hours/week doing that and still make less than you would on unemployment, depending on your prior income. If you have a mortgage and kids, then it may not be economically feasible to take a huge cut in pay while still retaining your debts and child care costs. That's why freaking unemployment exists in the first place -- to keep the economy from tanking when too many people get laid off.....

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 01:22 PM
If you go to the unemployment line, who do you think a person will have a more favorable opinion of, the guy who says they should only get minimal welfare or the person who talks all day long about entitlements, free health care, and all manner of other freebies?


BTW, what political outlook do you ascribe to white collar criminals, tax dodgers and the like? Y'know, as long as we're engaging in gross overgeneralizations....

:shrug:

Donger
10-15-2004, 01:23 PM
BTW, what political outlook do you ascribe to white collar criminals, tax dodgers and the like? Y'know, as long as we're engaging in gross overgeneralizations....

:shrug:

Naughty Republicans

Radar Chief
10-15-2004, 01:25 PM
BTW, what political outlook do you ascribe to white collar criminals, tax dodgers and the like? Y'know, as long as we're engaging in gross overgeneralizations....

:shrug:


Oh they’re liberals too, they just got caught try’n to stick it to the man. ;)

Calcountry
10-15-2004, 01:26 PM
No, I believe that the poll results from a subset of society that is predominanently Republican stating that they support a Republican candidate isn't earthshaking news...

Edit: Answering further, I'm uncertain what links you're talking about. My participation on the Chiefs BB and the DC forum in particular has been extremely sporatic and spotty over the last month or two.
How many of those Republican subset are going to tell their sons and daughters to serve in the future?

I've got news for you Democrats that like to send troops arround the world to pass out meals and don't shoot.

You will have to draft if Kerry gets elected, we are at war, whether the anti war POS wants to admit it or not.

Calcountry
10-15-2004, 01:28 PM
It's to be expected. If you go to the military you'll find conservative viewpoints. If you go to the unemployment line you'll find liberal viewpoints.
What do you find in San Fran and Boston?

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 01:38 PM
What do you find in San Fran and Boston?

You mean other than strong economies and the technology capitals of the United States?

6 Iron
10-15-2004, 01:42 PM
What do you find in San Fran and Boston?

very few parking spaces.

DonksRCrap
10-15-2004, 01:44 PM
Well, I was mostly just stirring the pot.

But think about it. If you go in the military you are going to find people who believe in what they are doing. Just like in most industries people will believe in the product they are producing.

If you go to the unemployment line, who do you think a person will have a more favorable opinion of, the guy who says they should only get minimal welfare or the person who talks all day long about entitlements, free health care, and all manner of other freebies?

I mean, it's common sense. I know it sounds offensive to be told that people in an unemployment line are more likely to share your ideology but there is probably something to it. I know you wouldn't find me there... I'd rather clean a grease vat two shifts a day than live off the government nipple

I agree with you entirely.

DonksRCrap
10-15-2004, 01:46 PM
What do you find in San Fran and Boston?

Socialists, communists, anarchists and worse.

KCWolfman
10-15-2004, 02:12 PM
Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice. The conservative owners of the company somehow managed to keep the positions of the conservatives on the payroll when the downsizing started. :hmmm:
Liberals are not a protected group under the Discrimination Act. If you worked in the right to hire states of Kansas or Missouri, your bosses had that right.

Calcountry
10-15-2004, 02:17 PM
You mean other than strong economies and the technology capitals of the United States?
If their economies are so strong, why is San Francisco the Homeless captial of the world. Who don't they give some of those poor fellows those high tech jobs?

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 03:15 PM
Liberals are not a protected group under the Discrimination Act. If you worked in the right to hire states of Kansas or Missouri, your bosses had that right.

I'm not stating he didn't. I'm just pointing out that it sometimes is a factor...but that is ok because we all have things to sing about if we get a call. ROFL

memyselfI
10-15-2004, 03:16 PM
So they got rid of the bitchy whiners and kept those that worked hard to advance the company. Some places that’s called “stream lining”. :hmmm:

No, they got rid of people who would not do indulge in their illegal requests on company time using company funds.

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 03:18 PM
Socialists, communists, anarchists and worse.

Amazing. I've only lived here nearly all of my life and I haven't met any of the above, to my knowledge.

Amnorix
10-15-2004, 03:19 PM
If their economies are so strong, why is San Francisco the Homeless captial of the world. Who don't they give some of those poor fellows those high tech jobs?

Don't know a helluva lot about the SF homeless situation, but I know that they got hurt with the Internet bubble, that Silicon Valley is still a huge tech engine, and that housing prices are still out of this world.

Taco Bell
10-15-2004, 03:20 PM
Amazing. I've only lived here nearly all of my life and I haven't met any of the above, to my knowledge.

They are used to living in a closet.....Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Brock
10-15-2004, 03:24 PM
Interestingly in my old company only the liberals got laid off in my offiice.

Replace "liberals" with "dead wood" and you might gain some enlightenment into your current situation.

BroWhippendiddle
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
That's why most around here view you as an asset, very unlike some of your "teammates".

I think you missed that one by a country mile!!!

BroWhippendiddle
10-15-2004, 03:32 PM
Well CNN is reporting that some military refused to go on a fuel supply mission in Iraq...Pentagon investigating. So never say never.

Let's see, refusing orders of the officers appointed over them.

I see NJP or Courtmartial coming.

BroWhippendiddle
10-15-2004, 03:34 PM
They were just peeved because I pitched their Soldier of Fortune subscriptions and refused to go on a gun run for them on company time. I'm sure the stockholders would love to hear about some of the stuff they did on company time and $$$... :hmmm:

So you imposed your belief system on them? Did you know that throwing mail away is a felony? I guess that you and Kerry have something in common after all you are both criminals.