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Taco John
10-19-2004, 12:46 AM
...I was suprised at how easy it was.

He's a small business owner, and he said he was voting for Bush because he though Bush might help small businesses. I noted that I can understand that position for sure, and commented on how it's just a shame that the government expects small business to operate within their budgets, yet this administration refuses to operate within any budgetary guidelines whatsoever. He shook his head in disgust and commented that he too was disappointed in how fiscally irresponsible a Republican congress and a Republican Executive have been. I mentioned to him that at least with that Democrat, Clinton, we knew the government was running on a balanced budget.

He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... But I can tell you who I'm voting against, and that's Bush. I'm not going to reward this administration with another term if this kind of fiscal irresponsibility is the thanks that America gets. They make us look in one direction by giving us a tax cut, and then in the other direction they spend our money like woman in a shoe store. It's clearly just a game to them."

"Yeah, but wars aren't cheap," he tells me.

"No. Definitely not. The last Iraqi war cost this nation over $5 billion dollars. That's a lot of money. You wanna know how much this war in Iraq is looking to cost us?"

"How much?"

"When everything is said and done, it's going to cost us over $200 billion dollars..."

"What!?" he asks me. "Are you serious? Why so much?"

"Well, last time, we had international support. This time, the rest of the world wasn't convinced. And in hindsight, I feel like a fool for being convinced myself. You remember why they told us we were going to war?"

"Yeah, because Saddaam had Weapons of Mass Destruction."

"Yeah. Turns out he didn't. And now were up to our elbows in a region where there are three seperate ethnic groups that hate eachother with a passion, each of which claim they would never follow a government that is lead by a ruling member of one of their enemy factions. Worse yet, the only thing these groups have in common is that they want America out of there. How is Democracy supposed to thrive in that kind of environment? Meanwhile, we're weakening our own economy by taking loans from China and Japan that our kids will have to pay back with interest. So while the rest of the world is on the sidelines, this Administration is spending like crazy, borrowing like crazy, and what's the benefit?"

"Well, were stopping the terrorists over there..."

"From what?"

"From coming over here..."

"Well, I don't know about that. It seems to me that if we wanted to stop terrorists from coming over here, the first thing we'd do is beef up our border security and check every crate that comes into our ports. Did you hear about the Chechnyans that they found coming in from Mexico? The Chechnyans were the same group that butchered that school in Russia."

"What? They found Chechnyans coming over the border!? That serious!"

"Yeah. No doubt. Luckily we caught this group. So somebody along the border is doing their jobs. But the rush along the border is getting out of hand. Did you know that Bush endowed $18 million dollars for the National Endowment for the Arts, but $18 million was cut from the Border patrol budget in the same year? How does that even make any sense? Sometimes I jus can't figure this Administration out. They spend with reckless regard for the bottom line, but you or I would be put in jail if we spend like they do. They take loans from other countries that our kids will have to pay back, putting enemies like China as our debtors. They cut taxes to placate the masses, but the don't cut spending (in fact, Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill since the Republicans took control of congress). And then they leave our borders porous. If I didn't know any better, I'd think that they were purposefully trying to weaken us. Of course, that's not their goal, but the way the chips have fallen, it looks like that might be the result. I don't know what being mired in an Iraqi civil war does for our own national security with our borders being wide open, and our National Guardsmen being called over there."

"Dang. I'm glad I asked you. I hadn't thought about it like that. Boy, after all that, I can't vote for Bush. I just got my ballot in the mail today. Looks like I'll be voting for Kerry tonight. My wife will be happy about that. She was trying to talk me out of it, but she doesn't know the issues like you do."

"I try to keep up. Don't let me tell you who to vote for, because I've got enough conflict of my own to get figured out as far as that goes. I just know who I'm not voting for and why. I just can't think of any logical reason to reward this president with another term. Can you?"

"No. I really cant."

Phobia
10-19-2004, 12:50 AM
Wow. Bush is bad for small business? I didn't know. Thanks. I'm not voting for him either.


If it was really that simple, I'll bet I could talk your neighbor out of a piece of his wife's ass.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 12:52 AM
No thanks... She's not exactly my type...

RINGLEADER
10-19-2004, 12:53 AM
Don't worry...Taco probably just copy and pasted this from DemocratsUnderground. For Taco it is an appropriate name for the website.

Besides, Bush isn't going to take Washington anyway. So keep plugging away there Taco. :thumb:

Taco John
10-19-2004, 12:56 AM
I didn't get that from anywhere... It was a summarization of a conversation I had this afternoon with my neighbor.

Brock
10-19-2004, 01:03 AM
Reads like a Jack T. Chick tract.

"Now HOLD ON!! You mean I've been worshipping SATAN all these years?" "That's right, friend. You're going to HELL!"

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 01:15 AM
What kind of a small business does he own?

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:18 AM
What kind of a small business does he own?


Some sort of distributorship...

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:21 AM
Reads like a Jack T. Chick tract.

"Now HOLD ON!! You mean I've been worshipping SATAN all these years?" "That's right, friend. You're going to HELL!"



http://www.chick.com/tractimages28018/0094/0094_08.gif

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 01:23 AM
Some sort of distributorship...

Is he successful?

Pitt Gorilla
10-19-2004, 01:26 AM
Don't worry...Taco probably just copy and pasted this... :thumb:Oh, the irony...

2bikemike
10-19-2004, 01:26 AM
Is he successful?

If he is I would be surprised he sounds rather gullible to let Taco change his vote!

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:27 AM
Is he successful?



He seems to be doing ok.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 01:28 AM
So the guy is a moron who doesn't keep up with the daily news, believes everything his neighbor says without verifying facts for himself and waffles over when the moment is convenient without any initiating any work of his own into research.

Hmmmmm

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:28 AM
If he is I would be surprised he sounds rather gullible to let Taco change his vote!



Are you familiar with the work of Ed Keller and Jon Berry?

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 01:30 AM
He seems to be doing ok.

Is this the first time you’ve talked politics with him?

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:33 AM
So the guy is a moron who doesn't keep up with the daily news, believes everything his neighbor says without verifying facts for himself and waffles over when the moment is convenient without any initiating any work of his own into research.

Hmmmmm



Yep... He's an average American.

Joe Seahawk
10-19-2004, 01:34 AM
Weird...

Taco John
10-19-2004, 01:35 AM
Is this the first time you’ve talked politics with him?



Yeah. The very first. I don't like talking politics with my neighbors as a general rule of thumb. I'll offer my opinions when solicited. But for the most part, I'm an observer who keeps to himself when it comes to National Politics around the neighborhood.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 01:38 AM
Yep... He's an average American.
Whatever. A serious businessman who isn't even interested in the daily news? What is he a distributor of, Amway?

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 01:40 AM
Yeah. The very first. I don't like talking politics with my neighbors as a general rule of thumb. I'll offer my opinions when solicited. But for the most part, I'm an observer who keeps to himself when it comes to National Politics around the neighborhood.

Interesting.

Your track record here shows your “powers of persuasion” are suspect at best.

Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps he was playing you?

Pants
10-19-2004, 01:41 AM
I doubt that was a actual conversation, but what TJ posted could very well convince someone to not vote Bush.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 02:05 AM
Whatever. A serious businessman who isn't even interested in the daily news? What is he a distributor of, Amway?


Ah. Typical. Can't attack the message so you attack my neighbor.

He doesn't seem like the type who keeps his nose buried in a newspaper for very long. He's the schmoozer type who makes his money on his relationships. He distributes all types of different products, as I loosely understand it, but his bread and butter product is night vision gear.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 02:06 AM
Your track record here shows your “powers of persuasion” are suspect at best.



How do you figure? That's an odd statement to make.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 02:07 AM
I doubt that was a actual conversation, but what TJ posted could very well convince someone to not vote Bush.


Pretty close to it point by point, though probably not exactly word by word.

Pants
10-19-2004, 02:08 AM
Ah. Typical. Can't attack the message so you attack my neighbor.

He doesn't seem like the type who keeps his nose buried in a newspaper for very long. He's the schmoozer type who makes his money on his relationships. He distributes all types of different products, as I loosely understand it, but his bread and butter product is night vision gear.

I still find it hard to believe TJ's story, but KCW's argument is just stupid. If it's a small business, he has no time to spend on watching/reading news. Small business = you are the accountant, the salesman, the customer relations rep, etc, etc.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 02:10 AM
Ah. Typical. Can't attack the message so you attack my neighbor.



Not true. I can "attack" you all day long. As many other people here have pointed out, your story stinks. And I honestly don't believe the "average American" decides to change his vote after a 5 minute conversation with his neighbor blindly accepting statement after statement.

In all honesty, if the conversation actually happened, the guy was probably pulling you along as you stated he makes his living making others like him.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 02:12 AM
I still find it hard to believe TJ's story, but KCW's argument is just stupid. If it's a small business, he has no time to spend on watching/reading news. Small business = you are the accountant, the salesman, the customer relations rep, etc, etc.
Really? I have a friend who started a mail order business 10 years ago. It is still a small business as it maintains less than 30 fulltime employees, but had the distinction of being a Fortune 500 company. My wife started with him the day he opened his company and works there to this day. He is the "accountant", "salesman", "customer service rep" etc... And he still watches as much (if not more news than I do).

The only argument that is "stupid" is the one you based upon the idea that small business = 2 or 3 employees.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 02:17 AM
I think you overestimate the confidence that a lot of Bush's voter base has in him. It wasn't difficult to turn this guy at all. All I had to do was open his eyes to the truth, and clear some of the pro-war propoganda that his head had been filled with.

Not everybody is going to accept the truth so easily. But this one came across as just looking for a reason not to vote for Bush, though was sort of doing so by default.

The Jehova's witnesses who were on my doorstep this weekend probably wouldn't accept the reality of the sitaution so easily. But then, they were trying to convince me that celebrating my birthday was the equivalent to worshipping satan.

Pants
10-19-2004, 02:18 AM
Really? I have a friend who started a mail order business 10 years ago. It is still a small business as it maintains less than 30 fulltime employees, but had the distinction of being a Fortune 500 company. My wife started with him the day he opened his company and works there to this day. He is the "accountant", "salesman", "customer service rep" etc... And he still watches as much (if not more news than I do).

The only argument that is "stupid" is the one you based upon the idea that small business = 2 or 3 employees.

Yeah, I fvcked up, what I meant was "in this situation a small business could mean"... making your point stupid.

Pants
10-19-2004, 02:20 AM
I think you overestimate the confidence that a lot of Bush's voter base has in him. It wasn't difficult to turn this guy at all. All I had to do was open his eyes to the truth, and clear some of the pro-war propoganda that his head had been filled with.

Not everybody is going to accept the truth so easily. But this one came across as just looking for a reason not to vote for Bush, though was sort of doing so by default.

The Jehova's witnesses who were on my doorstep this weekend probably wouldn't accept the reality of the sitaution so easily. But then, they were trying to convince me that celebrating my birthday was the equivalent to worshipping satan.

L - O - L. Beautiful indirect slander... I have to say, you are the master of that.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 02:24 AM
.

Not everybody is going to accept the truth so easily. But this one came across as just looking for a reason not to vote for Bush, though was sort of doing so by default.

.

The truth of what?

That Kerry's fiscal plan is as irresponsible as Bush
That Kerry will spend as much in Iraq (if not more if he can find the extra troops)
And that Kerry will not protect our Mexican border any better - in fact, Kerry will reward them with free college educations.

I don't see that you offered anything other than "I don't like George Bush". And if the person you spoke to is real, then he is a moron not to see that the topics you presented would not change under a new administration.

Ari Chi3fs
10-19-2004, 02:41 AM
Well if we dont vote for Bush/Cheney... Cheney will attack us. heh. The Onion owns.

the Talking Can
10-19-2004, 06:35 AM
The truth of what?

That Kerry's fiscal plan is as irresponsible as Bush



there's dishonesty, folks....and there's dishonesty- Bush has been president for 4 years: he cut taxes without cutting spending, which means he took out a loan to finance this during a time of war....he chose to create the largest deficit in US history. One that we'll pay back, plus interest, when he's long out of office.

If you really think Kerry has the same plan, well....I've got a bridge...

Baby Lee
10-19-2004, 07:00 AM
Taco's neighbor on the right.
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5732/bhnd05.gif

Boozer
10-19-2004, 07:16 AM
The truth of what?

That Kerry's fiscal plan is as irresponsible as Bush
That Kerry will spend as much in Iraq (if not more if he can find the extra troops)
And that Kerry will not protect our Mexican border any better - in fact, Kerry will reward them with free college educations.

I don't see that you offered anything other than "I don't like George Bush". And if the person you spoke to is real, then he is a moron not to see that the topics you presented would not change under a new administration.

I dunno, Russ...I know you're not a moron, but you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think a Kerry Administration coupled with a Republican Congress could manage the fiscal bachannalia that's been going on for the past four years.

KCTitus
10-19-2004, 07:47 AM
He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... "

And all this time, I was told by Teej himself he was voting for the Libertarian candidate...

LOL...he's voting for Kerry after spending the better part of 6 months insisting that wasnt the case. :thumb:

memyselfI
10-19-2004, 08:08 AM
TJ,

I hate to burst your bubble and thank you for the contribution to the non-DUHbya cause but a vote that is for anyone other than Kerry is a vote for BUSH.

So it's nice that you are washing your hands of DUHbya and his corrupt administration but come talk to us when you are SERIOUS about supporting his removal.

stevieray
10-19-2004, 08:09 AM
"No. I really cant"

translation: "Damn, would you leave me alone already"

after reading it again, I don't believe this at all.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 08:34 AM
I still find it hard to believe TJ's story, but KCW's argument is just stupid. If it's a small business, he has no time to spend on watching/reading news. Small business = you are the accountant, the salesman, the customer relations rep, etc, etc.


NOt true. MY in-laws own their own company, actually several companies and they are able to watch the news. My wife and I own our own preschool and we are able to watch the news. I have known several small business owners that are able to do things if they want to and are successful.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 08:37 AM
I think you overestimate the confidence that a lot of Bush's voter base has in him. It wasn't difficult to turn this guy at all. All I had to do was open his eyes to the truth, and clear some of the pro-war propoganda that his head had been filled with.

Not everybody is going to accept the truth so easily. But this one came across as just looking for a reason not to vote for Bush, though was sort of doing so by default.

The Jehova's witnesses who were on my doorstep this weekend probably wouldn't accept the reality of the sitaution so easily. But then, they were trying to convince me that celebrating my birthday was the equivalent to worshipping satan.


TJ you can say the same thing about Kerry's supporters. In fact the Bush supporters have more faith in him then Kerry does. Look at you the only reason why you are voting fore Kerry is bec you don't like Bush. Kerry's supporters hear 2nd hand news they don't research the facts.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 08:41 AM
I dunno, Russ...I know you're not a moron, but you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think a Kerry Administration coupled with a Republican Congress could manage the fiscal bachannalia that's been going on for the past four years.


That is another thing that people fail to realize. that Kerry will not be able to get anything done with Congress. So how can you get what he wants done. he has not even addressed it yet to the best of my recollection.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 08:46 AM
TJ Hmm

Frankie
10-19-2004, 08:48 AM
Wow. Bush is bad for small business? I didn't know. Thanks. I'm not voting for him either.

If it was really that simple, I'll bet I could talk your neighbor out of a piece of his wife's ass.

My neighbor is also a small business owner. That's the VERY REASON he cites for not voting for Bush. But then again, unlike Taco's neighbor, mine has kept up with things.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 08:51 AM
...IHe asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."

Hmm he is undecided on who he is voting for.


10-13-2004, 05:47 PM
Post #2

Taco John
Bobble



Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Somewhere in between the Port of Indecision and Southwest of Disorder If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart."



SO you are not sure who you are voting for? So in this case YOu can abandon all connection to the word "smart"

Saulbadguy
10-19-2004, 08:53 AM
Whatever. A serious businessman who isn't even interested in the daily news? What is he a distributor of, Amway?
Latex.

BroWhippendiddle
10-19-2004, 08:56 AM
TJ's post is total fabrication.

He doesn't really know what his neighbor does?

He changed his vote with come cheesy talk?

:BS:

Cochise
10-19-2004, 09:13 AM
Everyone is making up neighbors now I see.

I converted both of mine to Bush simply by wearing a Bush shirt while I was out mowing the yard.

Cochise
10-19-2004, 09:15 AM
Nah, kididng. But someone who is swayed within 2 minutes is probably just as likely to be swayed again by a TV ad or something.

We'll see how much he loves his small business's taxes being raised an obscene amount by sKerry if he were to win.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 10:35 AM
And all this time, I was told by Teej himself he was voting for the Libertarian candidate...

LOL...he's voting for Kerry after spending the better part of 6 months insisting that wasnt the case. :thumb:



Apparently, you don't pay much attention around here. I don't know what you're talking about, because I haven't told you anything myself with regards to this.

My vote this year, first and foremost, is against Bush. My comment that "it all depends," which I've explained before on this board is that my vote is currently reserved for Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate... HOWEVER, if it is close in my state when I am filling out my ballot, and there is any risk of Bush taking the electoral votes from my state, then I will vote for Kerry. Currently, my state looks to be pretty solidly in Kerry's vote column, so I'm expecting that I'll still be voting for Badnarik. So it all just depends on the circumstances next week when I'm filling out my ballot.

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 10:37 AM
How do you figure? That's an odd statement to make.

Perhaps I missed it, which Bush voter(s) have you flipped here?

Taco John
10-19-2004, 10:39 AM
TJ's post is total fabrication.

He doesn't really know what his neighbor does?

He changed his vote with come cheesy talk?

:BS:


What are you talking about, TomCash? I told you what my neighbor does. He's a distributor. I don't know the details of everything he distributes. I'm not a very nosey guy like that. I do know that he makes quite a bit of margin off of his night vision equipment. I only know that because he came over once with a pair of his goggles, and showed them off to me earlier this summer. Other than that though, his business is his business.

The story is true, whether you like it or not. I'd bet my right arm against yours on the veracity of it.

2bikemike
10-19-2004, 10:41 AM
Apparently, you don't pay much attention around here. I don't know what you're talking about, because I haven't told you anything myself with regards to this.

My vote this year, first and foremost, is against Bush. My comment that "it all depends," which I've explained before on this board is that my vote is currently reserved for Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate... HOWEVER, if it is close in my state when I am filling out my ballot, and there is any risk of Bush taking the electoral votes from my state, then I will vote for Kerry. Currently, my state looks to be pretty solidly in Kerry's vote column, so I'm expecting that I'll still be voting for Badnarik. So it all just depends on the circumstances next week when I'm filling out my ballot.


IMHO it would be an incredible waste of a vote to cast your ballot for somebody you don't believe in. I don't understand not voting for your candidate of choice. I do how ever understand you have a deep seated hatred of Bush but I still can't see wasting your vote. Your Party of choice stands no chance with attitudes like yours.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 10:44 AM
Perhaps I missed it, which Bush voter(s) have you flipped here?



ROFL You think people discussing their politics on a football board are prime candidates for being flipped? I might as well be trying to flip Fox panelists...

And hell, I never had a goal of flipping anybody. It just happened because my neighbor asked the question of who I was voting for on my way out the door from his place. He invited me in because I was chatting with him outside about the refi that I'm doing, and since his house has about the same square footage as mine, I thought I'd share the info with him.

I find it funny and yet typical that people are so much more concerned to try to discredit me and my neighbor than to try and discredit the things that I told him. Of course, since they are based in truth, they're pretty hard to discredit. So I guess going after me and my neighbor is all that is left.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 10:46 AM
IMHO it would be an incredible waste of a vote to cast your ballot for somebody you don't believe in. I don't understand not voting for your candidate of choice. I do how ever understand you have a deep seated hatred of Bush but I still can't see wasting your vote. Your Party of choice stands no chance with attitudes like yours.


That is such a true statement.

KCTitus
10-19-2004, 10:50 AM
Apparently, you don't pay much attention around here. I don't know what you're talking about, because I haven't told you anything myself with regards to this.

My bad grammar notwithstanding, you have used the 'above the fray' line of voting for the libertarian candidate to remain 'true' to your values...

My vote this year, first and foremost, is against Bush. My comment that "it all depends," which I've explained before on this board is that my vote is currently reserved for Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate... HOWEVER, if it is close in my state when I am filling out my ballot, and there is any risk of Bush taking the electoral votes from my state, then I will vote for Kerry. Currently, my state looks to be pretty solidly in Kerry's vote column, so I'm expecting that I'll still be voting for Badnarik. So it all just depends on the circumstances next week when I'm filling out my ballot.

So, basically, you're willing to sell out your principles...

2bikemike
10-19-2004, 10:50 AM
ROFL You think people discussing their politics on a football board are prime candidates for being flipped? I might as well be trying to flip Fox panelists...

And hell, I never had a goal of flipping anybody. It just happened because my neighbor asked the question of who I was voting for on my way out the door from his place. He invited me in because I was chatting with him outside about the refi that I'm doing, and since his house has about the same square footage as mine, I thought I'd share the info with him.

I find it funny and yet typical that people are so much more concerned to try to discredit me and my neighbor than to try and discredit the things that I told him. Of course, since they are based in truth, they're pretty hard to discredit. So I guess going after me and my neighbor is all that is left.

Ok Taco I'll play along with you on some of your points you shared with your neighbor.

Tell me which fiscal year did Bush cut 18 million from the Border Patrols budget?

Taco John
10-19-2004, 10:51 AM
IMHO it would be an incredible waste of a vote to cast your ballot for somebody you don't believe in. I don't understand not voting for your candidate of choice. I do how ever understand you have a deep seated hatred of Bush but I still can't see wasting your vote. Your Party of choice stands no chance with attitudes like yours.


I'm not the only Libertarian who feels this way. (http://cradle.brokenglass.com/misc/tanked/) Bush is the worst thing to happen to Libertarian politics since FDR. A wasted vote in my view is one that would risk another four years of Bush. I'd rather take Kerry and more fiscally responsible democrats (see balanced budget under Clinton) than the tax cut and deficit spend republicans.

Michael Michigan
10-19-2004, 10:52 AM
I find it funny and yet typical that people are so much more concerned to try to discredit me and my neighbor than to try and discredit the things that I told him. Of course, since they are based in truth, they're pretty hard to discredit. So I guess going after me and my neighbor is all that is left.

Not me---I'm going to take you at your word that everything happened as you say.

That said, my guess is that he played you.

KCTitus
10-19-2004, 10:55 AM
Bush is the worst thing to happen to Libertarian politics since FDR. A wasted vote in my view is one that would risk another four years of Bush. I'd rather take Kerry and more fiscally responsible democrats (see balanced budget under Clinton) than the tax cut and deficit spend republicans.

Bush is not a libertarian, so how could he be the worst thing to happen to libertarian politics? If he's so bad, wouldnt he be a good thing?

Kerry is not a fiscally responsible democrat...the only thing that might save us from even more spending is the fact that the republican congress might not give Kerry all his spending items because they're coming from a democrat.

Lightning Rod
10-19-2004, 11:07 AM
Bush is not a libertarian, so how could he be the worst thing to happen to libertarian politics? If he's so bad, wouldnt he be a good thing?

Kerry is not a fiscally responsible democrat...the only thing that might save us from even more spending is the fact that the republican congress might not give Kerry all his spending items because they're coming from a democrat.


Agreed, that is actually one reason I have come to the conclusion that the world won’t come to an end should Kerry win. We will have (like Clinton did) a very uncooperative congress causing a good old case of gridlock. Sadly that is about the best a fiscal conservative can hope for these days.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:09 AM
Ok Taco I'll play along with you on some of your points you shared with your neighbor.

Tell me which fiscal year did Bush cut 18 million from the Border Patrols budget?



At a budget hearing of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, border security and claims, Mr. Bonner said that despite a $3.6 billion increase proposed for Homeland Security for fiscal 2005, the Border Patrol — whose responsibilities include 6,000 miles of international border — is slated for cuts totaling more than $18.3 million.
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040311-113623-8745r.htm)

2bikemike
10-19-2004, 11:11 AM
I'm not the only Libertarian who feels this way. (http://cradle.brokenglass.com/misc/tanked/) Bush is the worst thing to happen to Libertarian politics since FDR. A wasted vote in my view is one that would risk another four years of Bush. I'd rather take Kerry and more fiscally responsible democrats (see balanced budget under Clinton) than the tax cut and deficit spend republicans.


IMHO your full of chit if you think any Pres as that much control over a balanced budget. Clinton got lucky with an overrevving economy that ended up tanking. Here is a little Economics for you.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/FederalBudget.html

The congressional budget process itself has contributed mightily to persistent budget deficits. The most important feature of the current budget process is its decentralized nature. At no point in the process does anyone decide on the total amount the federal government will spend. Instead, responsibility for individual legislative bills that determine the total amount of spending is divided up among fifteen separate committees in the Senate and seventeen committees in the House of Representatives. The Appropriations Committee has jurisdiction for nonentitlement programs covering about 40 percent of the total federal spending. The remaining 60 percent is made up of entitlement programs, which are handled by various other standing committees. The agriculture committees have authority over farm price supports, food stamps, and other rural programs. The tax-writing committees in the House and Senate are responsible for Social Security and Medicare. The House Energy and Commerce Committee has jurisdiction over Medicaid and shares responsibility for Medicare with the Ways and Means Committee.

This decentralization of spending authority creates powerful incentives for deficit financing. By spreading responsibility for spending authority among so many committees, the Congress has created a situation known as "the tragedy of the commons" (see The Tragedy of the Commons). This type of situation arises when numerous claimants compete for a commonly owned resource. The tragedy is that the inexorable forces of competition for the resource lead to overconsumption and eventual exhaustion of the resource.

To understand the commons problem, imagine a publicly owned forest that is open to all logging companies that desire access to it. No individual company would have any reason to restrain its logging activities. In fact, each company would have every incentive to cut down as many trees as it could before a competitor did so. On a more personal level imagine that a mother sends her family to the store, tells her husband to buy beer, her teenage daughter to buy magazines, and her ten-year old son to buy candy. Imagine, moreover, that she sets no limits on how much each can spend. Each family member would then overspend on the various items.

Congress is like that family. From the individual committee standpoint the commonly owned resource is federal revenues, raised primarily from taxes levied on individuals and corporations. The consumers of this resource are the congressional committees. The common resource is "overconsumed" when government spending repeatedly exceeds tax revenue—that is, when chronic budget deficits occur.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:12 AM
Bush is not a libertarian, so how could he be the worst thing to happen to libertarian politics? If he's so bad, wouldnt he be a good thing?


Deficit spending and a patriot act that has no checks and balances are both anti-libertarian. Both are reasons why most libertarians want to see Bush out of office.


Kerry is not a fiscally responsible democrat...the only thing that might save us from even more spending is the fact that the republican congress might not give Kerry all his spending items because they're coming from a democrat.


Music to my ears.

Ultra Peanut
10-19-2004, 11:13 AM
Reads like a Jack T. Chick tract.

"Now HOLD ON!! You mean I've been worshipping SATAN all these years?" "That's right, friend. You're going to HELL!":LOL:

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:15 AM
So, basically, you're willing to sell out your principles...



Why would I be selling out my principles? My biggest problem with Bush is the amount of spending he's done. With Kerry, I've got a republican congress. Between the two, spending will grind to a halt, as Kerry won't let the republican's run roughshod over the checkbook, and vice versa.

Sounds like political harmony to me.

Donger
10-19-2004, 11:17 AM
At a budget hearing of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, border security and claims, Mr. Bonner said that despite a $3.6 billion increase proposed for Homeland Security for fiscal 2005, the Border Patrol — whose responsibilities include 6,000 miles of international border — is slated for cuts totaling more than $18.3 million.
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040311-113623-8745r.htm)

You left off the following:

He described as "unwise" a Bush plan to substitute $64 million for sensors and surveillance technology and $10 million for unmanned aerial vehicles instead of increasing the number of agents "by at least 1,000."

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:19 AM
You left off the following:

He described as "unwise" a Bush plan to substitute $64 million for sensors and surveillance technology and $10 million for unmanned aerial vehicles instead of increasing the number of agents "by at least 1,000."


ROFL

Thanks for that... I forgot to add the part where he described Bush's plan as "unwise," you're right.

Ultra Peanut
10-19-2004, 11:19 AM
Was he wearing lipstick, Taco?

Donger
10-19-2004, 11:21 AM
ROFL

Thanks for that... I forgot to add the part where he described Bush's plan as "unwise," you're right.

Gee, an union spokesman that considers Bush substituting $64 million on technology versus $18.3 million on more union employees unwise.

Shocking.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:29 AM
Sounds pretty unwise to me.

KCTitus
10-19-2004, 11:29 AM
Why would I be selling out my principles? My biggest problem with Bush is the amount of spending he's done. With Kerry, I've got a republican congress. Between the two, spending will grind to a halt, as Kerry won't let the republican's run roughshod over the checkbook, and vice versa.

Sounds like political harmony to me.

If spending is your only issue, then I guess it might be. I think there are bigger issues than spending which will allways increase no matter who is in charge.

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 11:31 AM
TJ TJ TJ I feel sorry for you wait no I don't

You are a hypocrite and wasting a vote. You say one thing then say another. YOu are just like Kerry.

Taco John
10-19-2004, 11:33 AM
TJ TJ TJ I feel sorry for you wait no I don't

You are a hypocrite and wasting a vote. You say one thing then say another. YOu are just like Kerry.



Well, thankfully I don't put too much stock in your opinion of me.

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 11:37 AM
...I was suprised at how easy it was.

He's a small business owner, and he said he was voting for Bush because he though Bush might help small businesses. I noted that I can understand that position for sure, and commented on how it's just a shame that the government expects small business to operate within their budgets, yet this administration refuses to operate within any budgetary guidelines whatsoever. He shook his head in disgust and commented that he too was disappointed in how fiscally irresponsible a Republican congress and a Republican Executive have been. I mentioned to him that at least with that Democrat, Clinton, we knew the government was running on a balanced budget.

He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... But I can tell you who I'm voting against, and that's Bush. I'm not going to reward this administration with another term if this kind of fiscal irresponsibility is the thanks that America gets. They make us look in one direction by giving us a tax cut, and then in the other direction they spend our money like woman in a shoe store. It's clearly just a game to them."

"Yeah, but wars aren't cheap," he tells me.

"No. Definitely not. The last Iraqi war cost this nation over $5 billion dollars. That's a lot of money. You wanna know how much this war in Iraq is looking to cost us?"

"How much?"

"When everything is said and done, it's going to cost us over $200 billion dollars..."

"What!?" he asks me. "Are you serious? Why so much?"

"Well, last time, we had international support. This time, the rest of the world wasn't convinced. And in hindsight, I feel like a fool for being convinced myself. You remember why they told us we were going to war?"

"Yeah, because Saddaam had Weapons of Mass Destruction."

"Yeah. Turns out he didn't. And now were up to our elbows in a region where there are three seperate ethnic groups that hate eachother with a passion, each of which claim they would never follow a government that is lead by a ruling member of one of their enemy factions. Worse yet, the only thing these groups have in common is that they want America out of there. How is Democracy supposed to thrive in that kind of environment? Meanwhile, we're weakening our own economy by taking loans from China and Japan that our kids will have to pay back with interest. So while the rest of the world is on the sidelines, this Administration is spending like crazy, borrowing like crazy, and what's the benefit?"

"Well, were stopping the terrorists over there..."

"From what?"

"From coming over here..."

"Well, I don't know about that. It seems to me that if we wanted to stop terrorists from coming over here, the first thing we'd do is beef up our border security and check every crate that comes into our ports. Did you hear about the Chechnyans that they found coming in from Mexico? The Chechnyans were the same group that butchered that school in Russia."

"What? They found Chechnyans coming over the border!? That serious!"

"Yeah. No doubt. Luckily we caught this group. So somebody along the border is doing their jobs. But the rush along the border is getting out of hand. Did you know that Bush endowed $18 million dollars for the National Endowment for the Arts, but $18 million was cut from the Border patrol budget in the same year? How does that even make any sense? Sometimes I jus can't figure this Administration out. They spend with reckless regard for the bottom line, but you or I would be put in jail if we spend like they do. They take loans from other countries that our kids will have to pay back, putting enemies like China as our debtors. They cut taxes to placate the masses, but the don't cut spending (in fact, Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill since the Republicans took control of congress). And then they leave our borders porous. If I didn't know any better, I'd think that they were purposefully trying to weaken us. Of course, that's not their goal, but the way the chips have fallen, it looks like that might be the result. I don't know what being mired in an Iraqi civil war does for our own national security with our borders being wide open, and our National Guardsmen being called over there."

"Dang. I'm glad I asked you. I hadn't thought about it like that. Boy, after all that, I can't vote for Bush. I just got my ballot in the mail today. Looks like I'll be voting for Kerry tonight. My wife will be happy about that. She was trying to talk me out of it, but she doesn't know the issues like you do."

"I try to keep up. Don't let me tell you who to vote for, because I've got enough conflict of my own to get figured out as far as that goes. I just know who I'm not voting for and why. I just can't think of any logical reason to reward this president with another term. Can you?"

"No. I really cant."
That was such a good argument, that I am now going to vote for Kerry.

Can I ask you a question Taco? Were you spending money at that guys "small business"?

I have told at least a half a dozen "patrons" that I am going to vote for Kerry, because it was obvious that they were for him. I need the money.

Now you know what it is like to be "patronized".

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 11:38 AM
Wow. Bush is bad for small business? I didn't know. Thanks. I'm not voting for him either.


If it was really that simple, I'll bet I could talk your neighbor out of a piece of his wife's ass.
Can I have a piece. ROFL

Donger
10-19-2004, 11:38 AM
Sounds pretty unwise to me.

There's a shock.

Chief Henry
10-19-2004, 11:45 AM
Nah, kididng. But someone who is swayed within 2 minutes is probably just as likely to be swayed again by a TV ad or something.

We'll see how much he loves his small business's taxes being raised an obscene amount by sKerry if he were to win.


I have DOZENS of business owners that are clients of mine.
None are talked into anything that easily. As a matter of fact,
with out reading all of the post on this topic, I doubt if the neighbor
is actually a business owner.

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 11:48 AM
Interesting.

Your track record here shows your “powers of persuasion” are suspect at best.

Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps he was playing you?
DING DING a winner!!!!!

Liberals are so easy to play too. Usually it is the sound bites that I heard on the news last night that tips them off, they can't think for themselves, and cannot get outside themself and believe that anyone else thinks differently. I mean, they heard the talking points last night and it convinced them, if they don't believe them, then those people must be fools, morons and the like. All I have to do is point out how logical all the points are, and they can't help but decide like me, yeah, that is how they think and you can see it from a mile away. You can easily "play" into that game with them for a good laugh after they leave.

ROFL

KingPriest2
10-19-2004, 11:53 AM
Well, thankfully I don't put too much stock in your opinion of me.

You must be because you started a neg rep war. TJ Relax it is the internet. Like I said it in my email to you Relax. Read my email.

You are embarrassed that I caught you as being a hypocrite and can't face the reality of it.

2bikemike
10-19-2004, 11:57 AM
At a budget hearing of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, border security and claims, Mr. Bonner said that despite a $3.6 billion increase proposed for Homeland Security for fiscal 2005, the Border Patrol — whose responsibilities include 6,000 miles of international border — is slated for cuts totaling more than $18.3 million.
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040311-113623-8745r.htm)

It is very difficult to come up with what I hoped would be a clear cut answer to this. The fact that the Border Patrol was rolled up into a branch of Homeland Security it is very difficult to come with exact funding that the Border Patrol is getting. Mr Bonner is the AFL/CIO guy for the Border Patrol so his testimony is a little suspect with me. I will say that a 3.6 billion dollar increase in Homeland security seems to be appropriate.

I am getting tired and have to get some sleep maybe I will revisit this when I get up or get to work.

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 12:02 PM
I find it funny and yet typical that people are so much more concerned to try to discredit me and my neighbor than to try and discredit the things that I told him. Of course, since they are based in truth, they're pretty hard to discredit. So I guess going after me and my neighbor is all that is left.

Ahh, the wounded artiste routine.


I believe I did address your core issues.

Bwana
10-19-2004, 12:04 PM
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Taco John
If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart."
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Originally Posted by Taco John
...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... "

Ouch! ROFL

Ultra Peanut
10-19-2004, 01:11 PM
Was he wearing lipstick, Taco?I guess I'm the only one who remembers this:

The crossdresser next door bothers the hell out of me...

OMG!

You know... Fine. Be gay. I don't care. But for GOD'S SAKES, get your hair out of that f****g bun! Take the lipstick off. Get out of the high heels. Put on some fuggen pants and quit assaulting my eyes with your dainty friggin short skirt walk! YOU WERE A FRIGGIN NAVY MAN FOR GOD'S SAKE! How about a little fuggen dignity!?

The worst is, he's got a wife and a daughter!

OMG! I just wanted to get my US postal parcels from the designated drop-off point in front of my house (oh, so careful not to say that I'm out getting the 'mail'). What I didn't want was to see this fugger out in his leapord pumps and toe ring!

:cuss:

Kumbaya my ass...

Bwana
10-19-2004, 01:15 PM
I guess I'm the only one who remembers this:

OMG! ROFL LMAO

Warming up to the guy now are you taco?

Cochise
10-19-2004, 01:20 PM
I have DOZENS of business owners that are clients of mine.
None are talked into anything that easily. As a matter of fact,
with out reading all of the post on this topic, I doubt if the neighbor
is actually a business owner.

In light of the new evidence that Psicosis supplied, maybe he is a ghey escort? Runs his own homopr0n site? Sells buttplugs by mail?

BroWhippendiddle
10-19-2004, 01:50 PM
OMG! ROFL LMAO

Warming up to the guy now are you taco?

Politics makes strange BEDfellows!!!

Iowanian
10-19-2004, 02:35 PM
Yeah............Unbiased people talk others into voting for their guy ALL the time.

I have talked at least 4 family members, who have never voted for a Republican Presidential candidate into voting for Bush this time.

thats 4-1 Taco..................You'd better hustle down to the block party and get busy.

Hey...............

Moveon ripped me off this week..............they purchased a product and now say they aren't paying, even though they have recived the product.

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 02:55 PM
Yeah............Unbiased people talk others into voting for their guy ALL the time.

I have talked at least 4 family members, who have never voted for a Republican Presidential candidate into voting for Bush this time.

thats 4-1 Taco..................You'd better hustle down to the block party and get busy.

Hey...............

Moveon ripped me off this week..............they purchased a product and now say they aren't paying, even though they have recived the product.
Besides, your extra 3 votes swing the count by 6 because they would have voted for Kerry, in a state that Gore only one by about 1000 votes.

A swing state, that could make up for losing Ohio.

Much more important than Taco's Washington which will vote for anything with a D painted on its butt.

Ultra Peanut
10-19-2004, 03:06 PM
Much more important than Taco's Washington which will vote for anything with a D painted on its butt.<img src="http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/05/bush.charleston.ap/vert.bush.rove.ap.jpg" style="width: 220px; height: 242px; border: 0" alt="" />

"George, it's just a little paint. Trust me, this is a brilliant idea. No, you do not look like a 'fag.'"

go bowe
10-19-2004, 03:11 PM
So the guy is a moron who doesn't keep up with the daily news, believes everything his neighbor says without verifying facts for himself and waffles over when the moment is convenient without any initiating any work of his own into research.

Hmmmmmi'm afraid that description fits a rather large number of voters... :( :( :(

go bowe
10-19-2004, 03:14 PM
I think you overestimate the confidence that a lot of Bush's voter base has in him. It wasn't difficult to turn this guy at all. All I had to do was open his eyes to the truth, and clear some of the pro-war propoganda that his head had been filled with.

Not everybody is going to accept the truth so easily. But this one came across as just looking for a reason not to vote for Bush, though was sort of doing so by default.

The Jehova's witnesses who were on my doorstep this weekend probably wouldn't accept the reality of the sitaution so easily. But then, they were trying to convince me that celebrating my birthday was the equivalent to worshipping satan.well, in YOUR case... :p :p :p

go bowe
10-19-2004, 03:21 PM
Everyone is making up neighbors now I see.

I converted both of mine to Bush simply by wearing a Bush shirt while I was out mowing the yard.see? typical republican dirty tricks!!

KCWolfman
10-19-2004, 03:33 PM
I guess I'm the only one who remembers this:
I guess we know what he is a distributor of, don't we? The real question now is how much has Taco bought?


Oh, and rep for the memory

Iowanian
10-19-2004, 03:42 PM
My neighbor is also a small business owner. That's the VERY REASON he cites for not voting for Bush. But then again, unlike Taco's neighbor, mine has kept up with things.

Your neighbor obviously went to school on the short hallway.......where he received a 3.95 GPA and finished in the top 10 in his class, while focusing on eating popcorn and selling pencils from a cart all day long.

That doesnt' make him a businessman...........

You two have an "oprah Hour" date each day?

Iowanian
10-19-2004, 03:50 PM
What are you talking about, TomCash? I told you what my neighbor does. He's a distributor. I don't know the details of everything he distributes. I'm not a very nosey guy like that. I do know that he makes quite a bit of margin off of his night vision equipment. I only know that because he came over once with a pair of his goggles, and showed them off to me earlier this summer. Other than that though, his business is his business.

The story is true, whether you like it or not. I'd bet my right arm against yours on the veracity of it.


Sounds like he'd been out checking his patch to me............Night vision so the ATF doesn't follow his flashlight.


you two Split a Spliff while pondering the meaning of life.........or the best kind of generic Cheeto too I'll bet.

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 04:00 PM
<img src="http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/05/bush.charleston.ap/vert.bush.rove.ap.jpg" style="width: 220px; height: 242px; border: 0" alt="" />

"George, it's just a little paint. Trust me, this is a brilliant idea. No, you do not look like a 'fag.'"
That's what I'm talkin about!! ROFL

jettio
10-19-2004, 04:06 PM
...I was suprised at how easy it was.

He's a small business owner, and he said he was voting for Bush because he though Bush might help small businesses. I noted that I can understand that position for sure, and commented on how it's just a shame that the government expects small business to operate within their budgets, yet this administration refuses to operate within any budgetary guidelines whatsoever. He shook his head in disgust and commented that he too was disappointed in how fiscally irresponsible a Republican congress and a Republican Executive have been. I mentioned to him that at least with that Democrat, Clinton, we knew the government was running on a balanced budget.

He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... But I can tell you who I'm voting against, and that's Bush. I'm not going to reward this administration with another term if this kind of fiscal irresponsibility is the thanks that America gets. They make us look in one direction by giving us a tax cut, and then in the other direction they spend our money like woman in a shoe store. It's clearly just a game to them."

"Yeah, but wars aren't cheap," he tells me.

"No. Definitely not. The last Iraqi war cost this nation over $5 billion dollars. That's a lot of money. You wanna know how much this war in Iraq is looking to cost us?"

"How much?"

"When everything is said and done, it's going to cost us over $200 billion dollars..."

"What!?" he asks me. "Are you serious? Why so much?"

"Well, last time, we had international support. This time, the rest of the world wasn't convinced. And in hindsight, I feel like a fool for being convinced myself. You remember why they told us we were going to war?"

"Yeah, because Saddaam had Weapons of Mass Destruction."

"Yeah. Turns out he didn't. And now were up to our elbows in a region where there are three seperate ethnic groups that hate eachother with a passion, each of which claim they would never follow a government that is lead by a ruling member of one of their enemy factions. Worse yet, the only thing these groups have in common is that they want America out of there. How is Democracy supposed to thrive in that kind of environment? Meanwhile, we're weakening our own economy by taking loans from China and Japan that our kids will have to pay back with interest. So while the rest of the world is on the sidelines, this Administration is spending like crazy, borrowing like crazy, and what's the benefit?"

"Well, were stopping the terrorists over there..."

"From what?"

"From coming over here..."

"Well, I don't know about that. It seems to me that if we wanted to stop terrorists from coming over here, the first thing we'd do is beef up our border security and check every crate that comes into our ports. Did you hear about the Chechnyans that they found coming in from Mexico? The Chechnyans were the same group that butchered that school in Russia."

"What? They found Chechnyans coming over the border!? That serious!"

"Yeah. No doubt. Luckily we caught this group. So somebody along the border is doing their jobs. But the rush along the border is getting out of hand. Did you know that Bush endowed $18 million dollars for the National Endowment for the Arts, but $18 million was cut from the Border patrol budget in the same year? How does that even make any sense? Sometimes I jus can't figure this Administration out. They spend with reckless regard for the bottom line, but you or I would be put in jail if we spend like they do. They take loans from other countries that our kids will have to pay back, putting enemies like China as our debtors. They cut taxes to placate the masses, but the don't cut spending (in fact, Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill since the Republicans took control of congress). And then they leave our borders porous. If I didn't know any better, I'd think that they were purposefully trying to weaken us. Of course, that's not their goal, but the way the chips have fallen, it looks like that might be the result. I don't know what being mired in an Iraqi civil war does for our own national security with our borders being wide open, and our National Guardsmen being called over there."

"Dang. I'm glad I asked you. I hadn't thought about it like that. Boy, after all that, I can't vote for Bush. I just got my ballot in the mail today. Looks like I'll be voting for Kerry tonight. My wife will be happy about that. She was trying to talk me out of it, but she doesn't know the issues like you do."

"I try to keep up. Don't let me tell you who to vote for, because I've got enough conflict of my own to get figured out as far as that goes. I just know who I'm not voting for and why. I just can't think of any logical reason to reward this president with another term. Can you?"

"No. I really cant."

Since he does not belong to any of the Bush Cheney Voting blocs below, I doubt that you changed his vote. Nearly all Bush voters belong to one or more of those groups.

Funny how people are flaming Taco as if B*sh had done anything indicating competence or effectiveness as a President. He gave one good speech after September 11th.

Everything else is Frank Ganzs and Rich Kotite in the Oval Office.

Cochise
10-19-2004, 04:08 PM
Your neighbor obviously went to school on the short hallway.......where he received a 3.95 GPA and finished in the top 10 in his class, while focusing on eating popcorn and selling pencils from a cart all day long.

That doesnt' make him a businessman...........

You two have an "oprah Hour" date each day?

bloody hell that's funny ROFL ROFL

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 04:09 PM
Your neighbor obviously went to school on the short hallway.......where he received a 3.95 GPA and finished in the top 10 in his class, while focusing on eating popcorn and selling pencils from a cart all day long.

That doesnt' make him a businessman...........

You two have an "oprah Hour" date each day?
There was a "Jerky Boys" skit where a guy called up a small businessman and said, "Do you have baloons"? The guy goes yeah , we got balloons.

Do you have Lobster,

Yeah, anything you want, we got Lobstah, if you want Lobstah, we got Lobstah.


Back to reality,

Do you want me to vote Kerry, yeah

anything you want man, I'll vote for Kerry.

lmao.

Cochise
10-19-2004, 04:26 PM
There was a "Jerky Boys" skit where a guy called up a small businessman and said, "Do you have baloons"? The guy goes yeah , we got balloons.


How many balloons does it take to hold up a 65 lb punk!?

beavis
10-19-2004, 04:28 PM
Between the two, spending will grind to a halt, as Kerry won't let the republican's run roughshod over the checkbook, and vice versa.
Yeah, because Kerry has a great history of being fiscally responsible. Great logic there Taquito. ROFL

beavis
10-19-2004, 04:29 PM
How many balloons does it take to hold up a 65 lb punk!?
Sparky? Sparky the clown?

Cochise
10-19-2004, 04:31 PM
Sparky? Sparky the clown?

Your neighbor or maybe relatives would have these things for you to see them

beavis
10-19-2004, 04:33 PM
Your neighbor or maybe relatives would have these things for you to see them
It's like a dried foot.

Cochise
10-19-2004, 04:34 PM
It's like a dried foot.

Be careful with those guns they make me very scary

beavis
10-19-2004, 04:35 PM
Be careful with those guns they make me very scary
I got hemmroids bad. My ass is killin' me, I need help.

Cochise
10-19-2004, 04:39 PM
I got hemmroids bad. My ass is killin' me, I need help.

My name is Tarbash, I am one Egyptian magician.

beavis
10-19-2004, 04:44 PM
My name is Tarbash, I am one Egyptian magician.
My eyes is goin' crazy.

Cntrygal
10-19-2004, 07:00 PM
...I was suprised at how easy it was.



He probably only told you that to shut you up and get rid of you.

Cntrygal
10-19-2004, 07:12 PM
I guess I'm the only one who remembers this:


ROFL

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 07:17 PM
How many balloons does it take to hold up a 65 lb punk!?
I do know man, but if you want em I got em for ya man. Anything you want, man, I got it or I can get it.

:p

Calcountry
10-19-2004, 07:18 PM
He probably only told you that to shut you up and get rid of you.
Pre CISE ly.

Joe Seahawk
10-22-2004, 03:22 PM
Nice sig Taco.. That vest looks a little small for Kerry though..

ROFL ROFL