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Taco John
10-22-2004, 09:29 AM
When you can't win on the facts, the Bush team goes for the lies. It's an established pattern for the non-scrupulous Bush team. They did it in Iraq, and they are doing it here:


$8 Million Worth Of Distortions
Two Bush ads full of misleading and false statements ran more than 9,000 times in 45 cities last week.

October 21, 2004
Modified: October 21, 2004

Two misleading Bush ads accusing Kerry of supporting tax increases on gasoline and middle-class parents were running heavily last week. According to the Campaign Media Analysis Group of TNS Media Intelligence, which tracks TV ads in the top 100 markets, the two Bush ads accounted for nearly half of the estimated $16 million spent by Bush and the Republican National Committee during that week alone.

Both ads repeat claims we've repeatedly disputed here. They both attempt to portray Kerry as eager to raise taxes on middle-income taxpayers, which Kerry has said consistently he won't do. One ad characterizes Kerry's votes against proposed tax cuts as votes to "raise taxes," an outright falsehood.


Analysis



A Bush ad called "Thinking Mom" ran at saturation levels last week in 42 cities at an estimated cost of $2.5 million. A parallel ad called "Clockwork" ran even more heavily, in 44 cities at an estimated cost of $5.4 million. Together the two ads aired 9,118 times on stations monitored by TNS Media Intelligence/CMAG.

Two Ads, Several Distortions

Both ads make statements about Kerry that are misleading or downright false on several counts:

Gasoline taxes: It's false to say Kerry voted "to raise gas taxes ten times" as stated in the "Thinking Mom" ad. Even the Bush campaign's own list of votes doesn't back that up. There has been only one increase -- more than a decade ago -- when the federal gasoline tax went up just over four cents per gallon as part of Clinton's 1993 package of tax increases and spending cuts.

The Bush campaign lists ten votes Kerry cast, five of them on the measure that resulted in that 1993 increase. Four others were against Republican proposals to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase after it was already in place -- so it's false to say those were votes to "raise" the tax. The same goes for the tenth vote, which was against temporarily suspending the 18.4-cent federal gasoline gas tax altogether during a spike in prices in 2000.

Social Security benefits: Kerry did vote to increase the amount of Social Security benefits subject to taxation, as stated in both ads, but not for all seniors. That was also as a part of the 1993 Clinton economic package. The increase was only for those with over $44,000 a year for a married couple. That increase currently affects just over 8 million taxpayers, a fraction of the 47 million who get Social Security benefits. And all the proceeds from the increase go to shore up the Medicare Trust Fund, something the ad fails to mention.

Middle Class Parents: Another falsehood in the "Mom" ad is the claim that Kerry has "raised taxes on middle-class parents 18 times. No relief there from the marriage penalty." It's true Kerry often opposed Republican proposals in the past, usually on grounds that they granted more relief to upper-income taxpayers than he would like. And some of those proposals included giving married couples a break, as well as granting or increasing tax credits for dependent children. But those votes wouldn't have resulted in raising taxes above what they were at the time.

Furthermore, during the Democratic primary contests Kerry fiercely defended keeping the so-called "marriage penalty" relief and increased child tax credits when other Democratic candidates would have repealed them along with the rest of Bush's cuts. Kerry also would retain Bush's lower rates for low- and middle-income taxpayers.

Kerry said consistently he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making less than $200,000 a year. In an interview on the PBS Newshour with Jim Lehrer Kerry stated:

Kerry: I don't want to roll back the marriage penalty, I don't want to roll back the child-care (sic) credit, I don't want to punish people who got a $300 break at the 10 percent and 15 percent (rate), so I don't take that back.

That was more than a year ago -- July 14, 2003 -- and Kerry's position hasn't changed since.

The "Clockwork" ad falls short of an outright falsehood on this point. It says Kerry supported "higher taxes on middle class parents 18 times." Bush officials argue that voting against a tax cut is voting for "higher" taxes -- meaning higher than the alternative, not higher than people are actually paying. Still, we find the "Clockwork" ad to be misleading.

350 times: Both these ads repeat the misleading claim that Kerry has voted for "higher taxes" 350 times. See our original article from last March for details on why that's wrong.

http://www.factcheck.org/article286.html

KingPriest2
10-22-2004, 09:35 AM
Interesting this is coming from a guy that he is misleading as well.

Bootlegged
10-22-2004, 09:37 AM
keep up the good fight loverboy. You'll get your Bushie one of these days!

:thailor:

Taco John
10-22-2004, 09:43 AM
Now that we've got the herd response out of the way...

BigMeatballDave
10-22-2004, 09:51 AM
I used to just think you were a condescending
prick because I hated your team, now I know its just the way you are...

KingPriest2
10-22-2004, 09:52 AM
I used to just think you were a condescending
prick because I hated your team, now I know its just the way you are...
.

Taco John
10-22-2004, 09:53 AM
I used to just think you were a condescending
prick because I hated your team, now I know its just the way you are...



Yeah... I get that from inferior people...

Cochise
10-22-2004, 09:54 AM
keep up the good fight loverboy. You'll get your Bushie one of these days!

:thailor:

Must not have got his good morning from jAZ today :(

Pants
10-22-2004, 09:55 AM
Durrrr...

Too bad TJ makes a legit point. But what do you care, just keep flaming, that's what smart people do.

KCTitus
10-22-2004, 09:56 AM
I dont care what Kerry says, he will *attempt* to raise taxes.

I just hope to God that the GOP doesnt cave in because the political winds will have the onus on them.

I figure it will wind up like it did in 94, when Clinton shut down the govt by not signing in the spending bills...this of course was blamed on congress for 'draconian cuts' which were spending increases. Funny how this game is played.

Radar Chief
10-22-2004, 09:57 AM
Yeah... I get that from inferior people...

Says the guy only capable of seeing one side of the same story.

BigMeatballDave
10-22-2004, 10:00 AM
Yeah... I get that from inferior people...Piss off! I hope the Donkey's plane crashes...

KCN
10-22-2004, 10:04 AM
Way to prove Taco wrong there

RINGLEADER
10-22-2004, 10:20 AM
When you can't win on the facts, the Bush team goes for the lies.


Like John Kerry saying Bush has a secret plan for the draft (despite the fact that congress, not the president, enacts the draft)?

Like John Kerry saying Bush has a secret plan to privatize social security that will cut benefits to the elderly beginning in January (despite the fact his campaign acknowledges that no such plan exists)?

Like John Kerry saying we had Osama bin Laden surrounded in Tora Bora despite the fact that the General in charge of the troops says that's not true (and despite the fact that Kerry endorsed the use of proxies to assist in the fighting in December, 2001).

Like John Kerry saying that General Shinzeki was forced to retire when he said we needed more troops in Iraq (despite the fact that he announced his retirement before the speech Kerry cites).

Like John Kerry running ads in Wisconsin saying Bush has a secret plan to end the MILC subsidy for dairy farmers (despite the fact that Bush has said the opposite and supported legislation that is contrary to what Kerry says).

Like John Kerry saying that Bush has not funded No Child Left Behind (despite the fact that Bush has increased education funding more than any president in history on a dollar basis and behind only Lyndon Johnson on a percentage basis).

Like John Kerry saying that Bush has not funded Veterans benefits (despite the fact that Bush has doubled what Clinton spent in 8 years in just his first term).

Do I need to keep going? Question Kerry's past views, votes and quotes and he whines about attacking his patriotism. Run ads about his past voting record on taxes, weapons systems, intelligence spending and Kerry whines. Run ads talking about him missing almost all of the senate hearings and Kerry whines. Kerry flat out lies every day as part of his standard stump speech...why no outrage over that Taco?

RINGLEADER
10-22-2004, 10:27 AM
I dont care what Kerry says, he will *attempt* to raise taxes.

I just hope to God that the GOP doesnt cave in because the political winds will have the onus on them.

I figure it will wind up like it did in 94, when Clinton shut down the govt by not signing in the spending bills...this of course was blamed on congress for 'draconian cuts' which were spending increases. Funny how this game is played.


Kerry has a very gimmicky economic policy. For instance, he proposes a cut in the corporate tax rate (which is just stupid - if you want to help business then give the money to consumers who buy their product), but then he OFFSETS that tax cut with a scheme to tax American companies that operate overseas at the same rate (effectively double-taxing these companies when their domestic competitors have no such tax to pay, decreasing competitiveness and insuring that American companies have additional expenses added to their products overseas).

What I fully believe Kerry will do if elected is push the tax increase and say he can't afford the tax break.

Kerry has said that he won't raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 (despite the fact that his capital gains and payroll tax proposals do just that), but he hasn't pledged that he will actually deliver the tax relief for those under $200,000. That's the question that hasn't been asked.

I fully expect Kerry to pull a page from the Clinton handbook and say something like "I didn't know it was this bad...I just can't give you tax cuts". There is nothing in his past to show that he believes tax cuts have any economic benefits and, if elected, I doubt he'll discover their usefulness.

Taco John
10-22-2004, 10:43 AM
Piss off! I hope the Donkey's plane crashes...



Awwwww... Did you fawl down an skin yo knee?

Hewee go... I make awl bettah...

http://www.cofp.com/misc/images/bandaid.jpg

Brock
10-22-2004, 10:44 AM
Wow. A politician lied. Earth-shattering news there.

penguinz
10-22-2004, 10:46 AM
Like John Kerry saying Bush has a secret plan for the draft (despite the fact that congress, not the president, enacts the draft)?

Also that the bill to reinstate the draft was presented by a democrat. Charles B Rangel of New York 15th District.

Taco John
10-22-2004, 10:48 AM
Wow. A politician lied. Earth-shattering news there.


ROFL


Don't flex that moral authority too much, or you might rip through your shirt, there, Hulk.

Brock
10-22-2004, 10:49 AM
ROFL


Don't flex that moral authority too much, or you might rip through your shirt, there, Hulk.

Sorry, you are Mr. (unwarranted) Superiority Complex in these here parts.

KCTitus
10-22-2004, 10:56 AM
Kerry has said that he won't raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 (despite the fact that his capital gains and payroll tax proposals do just that), but he hasn't pledged that he will actually deliver the tax relief for those under $200,000. That's the question that hasn't been asked.

I fully expect Kerry to pull a page from the Clinton handbook and say something like "I didn't know it was this bad...I just can't give you tax cuts". There is nothing in his past to show that he believes tax cuts have any economic benefits and, if elected, I doubt he'll discover their usefulness.

Kerry did make that pledge in the 2nd debate and later the DNC had to come out and state that he meant those over 100k and further clarified that it was families over 100k...

Chiefnj
10-22-2004, 11:01 AM
Kerry did make that pledge in the 2nd debate and later the DNC had to come out and state that he meant those over 100k and further clarified that it was families over 100k...


link??

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:05 AM
Bush is lying? Kerry should nail him on that. I bet factcheck.org supports every single Kerry statement to give him the legitimacy he needs.

Bwana
10-22-2004, 11:13 AM
NO WAY! Politicians would never tell a fib. Next you are going to tell us car salesmen have been known to tell fibs.

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:18 AM
NO WAY! Politicians would never tell a fib. Next you are going to tell us car salesmen have been known to tell fibs.
Bastards

KingPriest2
10-22-2004, 11:28 AM
Awwwww... Did you fawl down an skin yo knee?

Hewee go... I make awl bettah...

http://www.cofp.com/misc/images/bandaid.jpg


Hmm you must be done using it for your ego TJ.

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:33 AM
Ahh, the "have your cake and eat it too" mentality of TJ and the other liberals.

Gasoline taxes: It's false to say Kerry voted "to raise gas taxes ten times" as stated in the "Thinking Mom" ad. Even the Bush campaign's own list of votes doesn't back that up. There has been only one increase -- more than a decade ago -- when the federal gasoline tax went up just over four cents per gallon as part of Clinton's 1993 package of tax increases and spending cuts.

The Bush campaign lists ten votes Kerry cast, five of them on the measure that resulted in that 1993 increase. Four others were against Republican proposals to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase after it was already in place -- so it's false to say those were votes to "raise" the tax. The same goes for the tenth vote, which was against temporarily suspending the 18.4-cent federal gasoline gas tax altogether during a spike in prices in 2000.

If he votes for a tax hike ten times, it is not counted as ten times if the hike is already in place or if he votes for the same hike again and again?

I guess that is what they will tell me a year from now when they repeal my tax breaks, eh? Well, you already had it for a couple of years so it doesn't count as a tax hike against you.

BroWhippendiddle
10-22-2004, 11:34 AM
Yeah... I get that from inferior people...

If I were you I'd move out of Denver before it's too late.....................

If you'd have just brought this up earlier you would be less inferior than you are now, but you probably started near the bottom anyway. It's the thin air.

Bwana
10-22-2004, 11:36 AM
If I were you I'd move out of Denver before it's too late.....................

If you'd have just brought this up earlier you would be less inferior than you are now, but you probably started near the bottom anyway. It's the thin air.

He isn't in donkville, he's in OR. Blame it on the salt water. :)

Taco John
10-22-2004, 11:38 AM
Ahh, the "have your cake and eat it too" mentality of TJ and the other liberals.

Gasoline taxes: It's false to say Kerry voted "to raise gas taxes ten times" as stated in the "Thinking Mom" ad. Even the Bush campaign's own list of votes doesn't back that up. There has been only one increase -- more than a decade ago -- when the federal gasoline tax went up just over four cents per gallon as part of Clinton's 1993 package of tax increases and spending cuts.

The Bush campaign lists ten votes Kerry cast, five of them on the measure that resulted in that 1993 increase. Four others were against Republican proposals to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase after it was already in place -- so it's false to say those were votes to "raise" the tax. The same goes for the tenth vote, which was against temporarily suspending the 18.4-cent federal gasoline gas tax altogether during a spike in prices in 2000.

If he votes for a tax hike ten times, it is not counted as ten times if the hike is already in place or if he votes for the same hike again and again?

I guess that is what they will tell me a year from now when they repeal my tax breaks, eh? Well, you already had it for a couple of years so it doesn't count as a tax hike against you.


It's odd that is the distinction that you are going to make, and then accuse others of "have your cake and eat it too" mentality.

Apparently, you are of the "words mean only what I want them to mean" crowd.

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:38 AM
It's odd that is the distinction that you are going to make, and then accuse others of "have your cake and eat it too" mentality.

Apparently, you are of the "words mean only what I want them to mean" crowd.
TJ - Did he vote to increase the tax or keep the tax 10 times?

Taco John
10-22-2004, 11:42 AM
He isn't in donkville, he's in OR. Blame it on the salt water. :)



Actually, a small technicality... I'm in Vancouver, WA, which is just over the river from Portland.

KCTitus
10-22-2004, 11:44 AM
I'm encouraged by the nuanced distinction regarding a tax 'increase' vs. a vote against a tax cut.

Hopefully, the same will applied when discussions of 'draconian budget cuts' are seen for what they really are as 'smaller than expected' increases in the budget.

Taco John
10-22-2004, 11:45 AM
TJ - Did he vote to increase the tax or keep the tax 10 times?



Gasoline taxes: It's false to say Kerry voted "to raise gas taxes ten times" as stated in the "Thinking Mom" ad. Even the Bush campaign's own list of votes doesn't back that up. There has been only one increase -- more than a decade ago -- when the federal gasoline tax went up just over four cents per gallon as part of Clinton's 1993 package of tax increases and spending cuts.

The Bush campaign lists ten votes Kerry cast, five of them on the measure that resulted in that 1993 increase. Four others were against Republican proposals to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase after it was already in place -- so it's false to say those were votes to "raise" the tax. The same goes for the tenth vote, which was against temporarily suspending the 18.4-cent federal gasoline gas tax altogether during a spike in prices in 2000.

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:47 AM
.

Again, did he vote to increase or keep the tax ten times.

This entire article is splitting hairs. No, he did not attempt to increase the tax ten times - Yes he attempted to increase it 6 times and voted against repealing it 4 times. What is the difference?


As I stated earlier, the same excuse will probably be used if he gets in office and repeals my tax breaks. "Since he only repealed tax relief, it really wasn't a tax increase on the American People".

Bwana
10-22-2004, 11:48 AM
Actually, a small technicality... I'm in Vancouver, WA, which is just over the river from Portland.

Bullchit! That's a lie.:hmmm: errrrrrrr, ok, perhaps you're right.

BroWhippendiddle
10-22-2004, 11:52 AM
He isn't in donkville, he's in OR. Blame it on the salt water. :)

It's the virtual Denver I'm speaking of, the thin air follows the jackass logo. I'm sure he is hanging out on the Planet to try to gain in social prominence.

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 11:52 AM
Nor am I sure why this article is even relevant. Factcheck blasts both sides. There is a great article on Kerry's lies regarding his scare tactics on the elderly in Florida with SS benefits (how unusual that the dems would ever do such a thing). Next he will be telling us how his hunting dog's meds cost less than his wife's non-quadripeligic pills cost.

Your bias is ridiculous regarding the website, however, I must commend you on not falling into your normal new bi-weekly rhetoric, "let's attack the messenger since we don't like the message" routine.

Mr. Kotter
10-22-2004, 11:59 AM
KERRY LIES DOCUMENTED

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/kerry_lies_documented.htm

INDEX

KERRY LIES DOCUMENTED
Vet denies retraction of Kerry war criticism Alleged by PAID Kerry Reporter--THAT Liberal Bias!
MORE LETSON, THE DR. WHO TREATED KERRY (Responds to Kerry's Allegation

KERRY LIES DOCUMENTED

Background

The purpose of this letter is to present some of the factual support for the advertisement "Any Questions?" produced and used by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth ("Swiftvets"), an organization properly registered under Internal Revenue Code § 527, and which has filed all required reports. Swiftvets is an organization led by Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (retired), Commander of all Swift boats in Vietnam during the period of John Kerry's four-month abbreviated tour in Swift boats between late November 1968 and mid-March 1969. A list of the 254 members may be found on www.swiftvets.com. A large majority of those who served with John Kerry in Swift boats in Vietnam and whose location is known have joined the organization. Thus, for example, sixteen of the twenty-three surviving officers who served in Coastal Division 11 with Kerry (the place where Kerry spent most of his time) have joined the organization, together with most of Kerry's Vietnam commanders and 254 sailors from Coastal Squadron One, ranging from Vice-Admirals to Seamen.

The purpose of Swiftvets is to present the truth about John Kerry's post-Vietnam charges of war crimes and John Kerry's own Vietnam record. Swiftvets is uniquely positioned to do so since it includes most of the locatable sailors and officers who served with John Kerry in Vietnam.

John Kerry has made his Vietnam record the central focus of his presidential candidacy, depicting purported Vietnam events in nearly $100 million in advertising. Copies of ads such as "Lifetime" and "No Man Left Behind" may be found on Kerry's website. Kerry's authorized campaign biography, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, by Douglas Brinkley (New York: HarperCollins, 2004) ("Tour"), centers on his short Vietnam tour and contains Kerry's account of these events. Additional accounts by Kerry of his Vietnam experience may be found on his website.

The Advertisement

A true and correct transcript of the advertisement entitled "Any Questions?" is attached as Exhibit 1. Affidavits are attached (as Exhibits 2 through 14) from each participant in the advertisement, except from John Edwards, the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee, whose often-repeated invitation to learn about John Kerry by speaking to the men who served with him begins the advertisement. The filmed comment of Senator Edwards has been made so many times as to be general knowledge.

As described in the attached affidavits, Al French (Exhibit 2), Bob Elder (Exhibit 3), Jack Chenoweth (Exhibit 7), Larry Thurlow (Exhibit 10), and Bob Hildreth (Exhibit 14) were all officers in charge of Swift boats in Vietnam in Coastal Division 11 with John Kerry. Coastal Division 11 was a small naval unit with about one hundred sailors and fifteen or sixteen boats which operated in groups of two to six boats. Each of these boat officers operated directly with John Kerry on numerous occasions. Van Odell (Exhibit 6) is a retired Navy enlisted man who also served in Coastal Division 11 on the Chenoweth boat, a few yards from John Kerry during Kerry's March 13, 1969 Bronze Star action.

Captain George Elliott, USN (retired), (Exhibit 4) was John Kerry's direct commander in Coastal Division 11, while Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired), (Exhibit 9) was Kerry's administrative commander. Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (retired), (Exhibit 8) commanded all Swift boats (including Kerry's) in Vietnam. Each of these commanders interacted on numerous occasions with Kerry and, for example, are discussed for many pages in Kerry's own authorized book, Tour.

Dr. Louis Letson (Exhibit 5) was the doctor in Cam Rahn Bay who treated Kerry's first Purple Heart "wound," while Commander Grant Hibbard (Exhibit 11) was John Kerry's commander at Coastal Division 14 where Kerry claimed to have suffered the wound. Finally, Joe Ponder (Exhibit 13) and Shelton White (Exhibit 12) are veterans of Coastal Division 11 who were badly wounded near the Song Bo De River where Kerry served most of his short tour.

The Kerry campaign has utilized a revolving group of eight veterans from Coastal Division 11 (none of whom served with Kerry as much as two months). In stark contrast to this small stable of supporters, the veterans on "Any Questions?" have intimate knowledge of John Kerry or (in the case of Ponder and White) of the falsehood and injury of his false war crimes charges. Although many more of the over 250 signers of the Swiftvets' letter served directly with John Kerry, it would be hard to locate people with more detailed and first-hand knowledge of John Kerry's short Vietnam stay than those in the advertisement. They are well-suited to respond with first-hand knowledge to Edward's invitation. Their sworn affidavits are attached (in order of appearance in the advertisement) as Exhibits 2 through 14.

Kerry's obtaining of three Purple Hearts permitted him to leave Vietnam some 243 days short of the normal one-year tour. See Exhibit 20, Thrice Wounded Reassignment. Whether or not he fraudulently obtained these awards (the Purple Heart being among the most sacred of all awards) is critical to his true Vietnam story.

A. March 13, 1969: "No Man Left Behind" Incident

Attached as Exhibit 15 is Kerry's account of "no man left behind" where, in Tour of Duty, Kerry repeats his now-familiar story of returning, wounded by an underwater mine, to recover a Special Forces soldier, Jim Rassman, in a hail of fire pulling Rassman from the water with his bleeding arm. Tour, at 313‑17. The story of Kerry's return to save Rassman, under fire and wounded from the mine, has been told in many millions of dollars of Kerry advertising. See Kerry website; see also, e.g., Kerry's full-page advertisement in The New York Times, which is attached as Exhibit 16.

Kerry's after-action report for that day is featured on his website. See Exhibit 17. KJW identifies the report as Kerry's. Likewise, Kerry reported his shrapnel wounds to the Navy in an injury report:

"LTJG Kerry suffered shrapnel wounds in his left buttocks and contusions on his right forearm when a mine detonated close aboard PCF‑94."

Exhibit 18. Exhibit 17 likewise identifies Kerry's "injuries" as contusion right forearm (minor) (i.e., a small bruise) and a shrapnel wound left buttocks.

The regulations for the Purple Heart are attached as Exhibit 19 and, of course, exclude accidental injury and self-inflicted wounds (except non-negligent wounds in the heat of battle). Although Kerry's "minor" bruise could never entitle him to a Purple Heart, Kerry's reported shrapnel wound to his "buttocks" (although minor according to the treating physician) from an enemy mine would have entitled him to such an award (had he not been lying about its origin). Receiving the third Purple Heart, within three days Kerry had requested reassignment from Vietnam on the basis of three Purple Hearts ‑‑ some 243 days early. See Exhibit 20.

(i) The Purple Heart Lie

Kerry's third Purple Heart was his ticket home. It also was much of the basis of his Bronze Star, repeating "his bleeding arm" and shrapnel wound from the mine story. The problem is that his operating report was a total lie since Kerry's shrapnel wound "in the buttocks" came not from a mine at all as he falsely reported, but at his own hand. Larry Thurlow, an officer on shore with Kerry that day, recounts that Kerry's shrapnel wound came not from any mine, but from a self-inflicted wound when Kerry (with no enemy to be seen) threw a concussion grenade into a rice pile and stayed too close. See Exhibit 10, ¶ 3. This "brown rice" incident with rice/shrapnel lodged in Kerry from his own grenade is also recounted by James Rassman, a Kerry supporter and "the no man left behind" on page 105 of John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004) (the "Kranish book"). See Exhibit 21.

Most surprisingly, John Kerry himself (while falsely reporting to the Navy and public that he suffered a shrapnel wound from a mine explosion so as to get a third Purple Heart and go home) reflected in his own journal that his buttocks' wound came, not from any mine but, rather, from a grenade tossed into a rice cache by himself or friendly troops (in the absence of any enemy fire). "I got a piece of small grenade in my ass from one of the rice bin explosions." Exhibit 15, Tour, at 313; see also Exhibit 15, Tour, at 317. "Kerry . . . also had the bits of shrapnel and rice extracted from his backside." See also the sworn statement of participants that there was no hostile fire (Exhibits 6, 7, and 10). It also should be noted that the rice extracted from Kerry's backside could hardly be the result of an underwater mine, as Kerry claimed in his operating report.

The conclusion is inescapable: that Kerry lied by reporting to the Navy that he had been wounded by shrapnel in his backside from an enemy mine when in reality he negligently wounded himself and then lied about the wound in order to secure a third Purple Heart and a quick trip home.

(ii) The Bronze Star Lie

As recounted in the attached affidavits of three on-scene participants (and verified by many others present) Kerry's operating report, Bronze Star story, and subsequent "no man left behind" story are a total hoax on the Navy and the nation. As recounted in the affidavits of Van Odell (Exhibit 6), Jack Chenoweth (Exhibit 7), and Larry Thurlow (Exhibit 10) (and verified by every other officer present and many others), a mine went off under PCF 3 ‑‑ some yards from Kerry's boat. The force of the explosion disabled PCF 3 and knocked several sailors, dazed, into the water. All boats, except one, closed to rescue the sailors and defend the disabled boat. That boat ‑‑ Kerry's boat ‑‑ fled the scene. After a short period, it was evident to all on the scene that there was no additional hostile fire. Thurlow began the daring rescue of disabled PCF 3, while Chenoweth began to pluck dazed survivors of PCF 3 from the water. Midway through the process, after it was apparent that there was no hostile fire, Kerry finally returned, picking up Rassman who was only a few yards from Chenoweth's boat which was also going to pick Rassman up. Each of the affiants (and many other Swiftees on the scene that day) are certain that Kerry has wholly lied about the incident. Consider this: How could the disabled PCF abandon the scene of the mine? Why did Kerry have to "return" to the scene?

Kerry's account of this action, which was used to secure the Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart, is an extraordinary example of fraud. Kerry describes "boats rcd heavy A/W and S/A from both banks. Fire continued for about 5000 meters." Exhibit 17. In other words, the boats went through a double gauntlet at about 50 yards distance that was 3.2 miles long (comparable to Seminary Ridge at Gettysburg on two sides), and yet none of the other boats within feet of Kerry's boat heard a shot or suffered an injury after the PCF 3 mine explosion, except for John Kerry's buttocks rice wound of earlier origin.

Clearly, Van Odell is right when he says, "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star . . . I know. I was there. I saw what happened." As Jack Chenoweth swore, "his account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day." Most poignantly, Larry Thurlow, whose brave actions saved the PCF 3 boat that day after Kerry fled, has the right to say, "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."

B. December 2, 1968 Purple Heart

On February 28, 1969, John Kerry received his first Purple Heart for an incident three months earlier, on or about December 2, 1968. Kerry's account of the incident is contained in Tour of Duty, pages 147 and 148 (Exhibit 23). Kerry claims to have been with two crewmen, Zaldonis and Runyon. See Exhibit 23. Neither Kerry, Zaldonis, nor Runyon claim to have seen any hostile fire. See Exhibit 24 (Kranish book, pp. 72‑73). A Purple Heart cannot be given for a self-inflicted wound under the attached regulations.

Unmentioned in Kerry's Tour Of Duty version are the actual surrounding facts. Kerry, Lieutenant William Schachte, USN, and an enlisted man were on the whaler. Seeing movement from an unknown source, the sailors opened fire on the movement. There was no hostile fire. When Kerry's rifle jammed, he picked up an M‑79 grenade launcher and fired a grenade at a nearby object. This sprayed the boat with shrapnel from Kerry's own grenade, a tiny piece of which embedded in Kerry's arm.

Kerry managed to keep the tiny fragment embedded until he saw Dr. Louis Letson. Dr. Letson's affidavit is attached as Exhibit 5. When Letson inquired why Kerry was there, Kerry said that he had been wounded by hostile fire. The accompanying crewmen indicated that Kerry was the new "JFK" and that he had actually wounded himself with an M‑79. Letson removed the tiny fragment with tweezers and placed a band aid over the tiny scratch. The tiny fragment removed by Letson appeared to be an M‑79 fragment, as described by the personnel accompanying Kerry.

The next morning Kerry showed up at Division Commander Grant Hibbard's office. Hibbard had already spoken to Schachte and conducted an investigation. Hibbard's affidavit is attached as Exhibit 11. Hibbard's investigation revealed that Kerry's "rose thorn" scratch had been self-inflicted in the absence of hostile fire. Hibbard, therefore, booted Kerry out of his office and denied the Purple Heart.

Some three months later, cf. Exhibit 22, after all personnel actually familiar with the events of December 2, 1969 had left Vietnam, Kerry somehow managed to obtain a Purple Heart for the December 2, 1968 event from an officer with no connection to Coastal Division 14 or knowledge of the December 2, 1968 event or of Commander Hibbard's prior turn down of the Purple Heart request. All normal documentation supporting a Purple Heart is missing. There is absolutely no casualty report (i.e., spot report) or hostile fire report or after-action report in the Navy's files to support this "Purple Heart" because there was no casualty, hostile fire, or action on which to report. The sole document relied upon by Kerry is a record showing the band aid and tweezers treatment by Dr. Letson recorded by deceased corpsman, Jess Carreon.

There are no witnesses who claim to have seen hostile fire ‑‑ necessary for a Purple Heart (even a rose thorn Purple Heart) ‑‑ that day. At least three witnesses, Dr. Letson (who spoke to the participants and removed the M‑79 fragment), Lt. Bill Schachte (on the boat), and Cmdr. Grant Hibbard (whose investigation revealed Kerry's application for a Purple Heart to be fraudulent), are able to testify directly or based upon contemporaneous investigation that Kerry's first Purple Heart was a fraud. Thus, Lewis Letson's statement that "I know John Kerry is lying about a first Purple Heart" is conclusively established by the evidence. Like the third Purple Heart, Kerry's first Purple Heart was essential to his quick trip home.

C. Christmas In Cambodia

If there is a consistent[1] repeated story by John Kerry about his Vietnam experience, it is his story about how he and his boat spent Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 illegally present in Cambodia and, listening to President Nixon's contrary assurances, developed "a deep mistrust of U.S. government pronouncements." See Exhibit 24, Kranish book, p. 84. The point of his story was that his government and his commanders were lying about Kerry's presence in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. During a critical debate on the floor of the United States Senate on March 27, 1986, Senator John Kerry said:

Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared ‑‑ seared ‑‑ in me . . . .

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record ‑ Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

See Exhibit 26.

The Christmas in Cambodia story of John Kerry was repeated as recently as July 7, 2004 by Michael Kranish, a principal biographer of Kerry from The Boston Globe. On the Hannity & Colmes television show, Kranish indicated that Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia was a critical turning point in Kerry's life.

The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8 is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam, Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary, similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command. In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec ‑‑ easily locatable on any map more than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213‑219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.

D. War Crimes

Returning to the United States, Kerry made speeches charging that U.S. forces in Vietnam were "like the army of Genghis Khan," that "crimes were committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of all levels of command," and that our officers in Coastal Division were like Lieutenant Calley. Kerry met on least two occasions with the North Vietnamese in Paris and is, in fact, honored as a hero in the war museum in Ho Chi Minh City. See pictures on WinterSoldier.com and SwiftVets.com. Joe Ponder is a widely quoted disabled vet from Coastal Division 11 who saw no war crimes but knows that Kerry dishonored our unit. Exhibit 13. Shelton White, a badly wounded Coastal Division 11 veteran, likewise saw no war crimes and remembers Kerry's betrayal. Exhibit 12.

Conclusion

As set forth at length, there is not only a reasonable factual basis for the statements in the ad; they are virtually conclusively established by the documentation.

Thank you for your kind consideration. Please do not hesitate to call me if you have any questions.

Very truly yours,

Original signed by John E. O'Neill

John E. O'Neill

JEO/cas

Attachments

Index Of Exhibits

1. Transcript of "Any Questions?" Advertisement, July 2004

2. Affidavit of Alfred J. French III, dated July 21, 2004

3. Affidavit of Robert G. Elder, dated July 21, 2004

4. Affidavit of George Elliott, dated July 21, 2004

5. Statement (notarized) of Dr. Louis Letson, dated July 21, 2004

6. Affidavit of Van Odell, dated July 21, 2004

7. Affidavit of Jack Chenoweth, dated July 21, 2004

8. Affidavit of Roy F. Hoffmann, dated July 22, 2004

9. Affidavit of Adrian L. Lonsdale, dated July 22, 2004

10. Affidavit of Larry Thurlow, dated July 22, 2004

11. Affidavit of Grant W. Hubbard, dated July 21, 2004

12. Affidavit of Shelton White, dated July 30, 2004

13. Affidavit of Joseph L. Ponder, dated July 21, 2004

14. Affidavit of Robert Hildreth, dated July 30, 2004

15. Pages 313 through 318 from Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, by Douglas Brinkley (New York: HarperCollins, 2004)

16. Advertisement entitled "He Asked What He Could Do For His Country. Then He Did It," The New York Times, May 11, 2004, p. A13

17. After Action Spot Report for March 1969, pages 2 and 3 (obtained from www.johnkerry.com)

18. March 1969 injury report (4 pages)

19. Regulations governing award of Purple Heart

20. Thrice Wounded Reassignment, dated March 1969 (obtained from www.johnkerry.com)

21. Page 105 from John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, written by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004)

22. Citation for Purple Heart #1 (obtained from www.johnkerry.com)

23. Pages 147 and 148 from Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, by Douglas Brinkley (New York: HarperCollins, 2004)

24. Page 84 from John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, written by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004)

25. Congressional Record ‑ Senate, March 27, 1986, pages 3593 and 3594

26. Pages 398 and 399 from John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, written by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004)

27. Pages 213 through 219 from Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, by Douglas Brinkley (New York: HarperCollins, 2004)


Vet denies retraction of Kerry war criticism Alleged by PAID Kerry Reporter--THAT Liberal Bias!


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Vet denies retraction
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Boston Globe story saying he backed off 'extremely inaccurate', 'highly misleading'


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A Vietnam veteran who appears in a television ad critical of Sen. John Kerry says a Boston Globe article asserting he retracted his criticism of the presidential candidate's war service is "extremely inaccurate" and "highly misleading."

In a statement, Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth says "Captain Elliott reaffirms his affidavit in support of that advertisement, and he reaffirms his request that the ad be played."

The Globe story by Michael Kranish said Elliott, in an interview yesterday, backed off one of the key contentions of a book to be released next week by the veterans group, "Unfit for Command."

Elliott, according to Kranish, said he had made a "terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star.

But the veterans group says the article is "particularly surprising given page 102 of Mr. Kranish's own book quoting John Kerry as acknowledging that he killed a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong soldier whom he was afraid would turn around."

Kranish, who is covering the Kerry campaign, wrote the foreword to the official Kerry-Edwards campaign book and is listed as the lead author, the Drudge Report noted today.

Telephoned for comment, Kranish declined to speak on the record with WorldNetDaily but forwarded a statement from the Globe which said the paper stands by the story.

"The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate," said the statement by Globe Editor Martin Baron.

Baron asserted it is "completely untrue" that Kranish "was ever contracted to write for a Kerry campaign publication."

The editor explained that "earlier this summer, Kranish worked with Public Affairs, the publisher of the Boston Globe biography of Kerry, 'John Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best,' to write a short introduction to a second project: an independent, unauthorized review of publicly available documents dealing with the platform and policy statements of Kerry and Edwards. "

Baron said that when Public Affairs "subsequently struck an agreement with the Kerry campaign to do an official campaign book, Kranish's relationship with the project immediately ended."

The swift-boats group says it has more than 250 members "who are revealing first hand, eyewitness accounts of numerous incidents concerning John Kerry's military service record."

"The organization will continue to discuss much of what John Kerry has reported as fact concerning his four-month tour of duty in Vietnam," the statement said.

In the affidavit, given to the newspaper to back the group's contentions, Elliott is quoted as saying that Kerry "lied about what occurred in Vietnam ... for example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back."

The statement refers to a Feb. 28, 1969, incident in which Kerry won the Silver Star after shooting a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher and running toward a hut. Kerry's crewmates said in interviews last year they thought the action was necessary and it was Elliott who recommended Kerry for the Silver Star, the Globe reported.

But some Kerry critics have questioned whether the soldier posed a danger to the crew.

The Globe quotes Elliott as saying yesterday, "I still don't think he shot the guy in the back. It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."

The book says "Elliott indicates that a Silver Star recommendation would not have been made by him had he been aware of the actual facts."

In the television ad, Elliott says, "John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

As WorldNetDaily reported, lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and Kerry's presidential campaign have faxed a letter to television station managers warning them not to broadcast the ad.

WTVG in Toledo, Ohio, dropped the ad today after the Kerry campaign used the Globe story to convince the station's management the ad was false, the Drudge Report said.

The book also raises questions about the action of March 13, 1969, for which Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart.

In the interview with the Globe, Elliott said that based on the affidavits of the veterans on other boats, he now thinks his assessment that Kerry deserved the Bronze Star and third Purple Heart may have been based on poor information.

"I simply have no reason for these guys to be lying, and if they are lying in concert, it is one hell of a conspiracy," he told the paper. "So, on the basis of all of the information that has come out, I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand."





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MORE LETSON, THE DR. WHO TREATED KERRY

Posting this mostly for those of us who know Louis personally. Neither I nor Terri can remember ever seeing him at a RNC meeting, Terri before my time and me following hers, so we cover probably ten or twelve years. If I had to guess, I would think he was a Democrat but I have never known him to tell a lie in over twenty five years that I have known him. He most certainly is a physician, has served as Chief of Staff at the local hospital several times and was the kindest of all to us when we moved into that medical community. He had a huge private practice medical practice until his recent retirement and is extremely well regarded in the community where he has done lots of charity work. Credible, certainly. If saying he is not a real physician or credible is the best Kerry can do to refute this, Kerry is the one in trouble here because as far as I know, Letson does not have any reason to be saying these things if they are not true. He certainly is not motivated by partisan politics and does not stand to gain financially, so I do not understand why one would not believe him. I certainly do.~Amelia~

MORE LETSON [08/06 03:40 PM]
More from Letson: “It’s unfortunate that it’s come to a lot of name calling. I’ve been called a Republican shill. I’ll stand by what I have said. They can call me what they want. I’ll stack my record of integrity against theirs anytime.”

Having concluded the interview, one gets the feeling that the Kerry campaign better have a better defense than, "he's not Kerry's doctor, because didn't sign the report, another guy did." It shouldn't be hard to verify that Letson was the doctor in that location at that time.

LEWIS LETSON EXPLAINS KERRY'S WOUND [08/06 03:33 PM]
Lewis Letson, who discusses Kerry’s wound in the Swift Boat Vets’ ad, is appearing on NRANews.com with me.

“I am the doctor [who treated Kerry],” he said. “Let me explain that. My critics are pointing to the [signature on the medical record], J.C. Carreon. If they look it carefully a scribble after the words, saying, “HM1.” HM1 is a hospital man first class. Jesus C. Carreon was one of my medics at that naval base. He was a top-notch fella. Real prince of a fella.”

“Unfortunately, my friend Carreon died about 1992. He’s not around to back this up,” he said.

“Kerry might have thought my name was J.C. Carreon. I was the only medical officer at that base. September 68 to Sept. 1969. I can verify that with commanding officer.”

“I didn’t want to be a public figure. This has its downside, don’t have any desire to be notorious. This has some ill effects on an individual and my family. I had TV crew on my front lawn in the last hour, they just appeared at my house and rang my doorbell.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp

Radar Chief
10-22-2004, 12:04 PM
KERRY LIES DOCUMENTED

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/kerry_lies_documented.htm

INDEX

KERRY LIES DOCUMENTED
Vet denies retraction of Kerry war criticism Alleged by PAID Kerry Reporter--THAT Liberal Bias!
MORE LETSON, THE DR. WHO TREATED KERRY (Responds to Kerry's Allegation


http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp

Devastating. ROFL

RINGLEADER
10-22-2004, 01:49 PM
If you're going to play this game Taco, you need to support Kerry's claim that he's voted to lower taxes 600 times.

2bikemike
10-22-2004, 02:53 PM
When you can't win on the facts, the Bush team goes for the lies. It's an established pattern for the non-scrupulous Bush team. They did it in Iraq, and they are doing it here:


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Taco you are a real twit if you don't think Kerry is pulling the same misleading crap!

Cochise
10-22-2004, 03:00 PM
If you're going to play this game Taco, you need to support Kerry's claim that he's voted to lower taxes 600 times.

I'd like to see that get substantiated.

Mr. Kotter
10-22-2004, 03:11 PM
I'd like to see that get substantiated.

Don't hold your breath.

Pitt Gorilla
10-22-2004, 03:34 PM
Says the guy only capable of seeing one side of the same story.Ringleader? Wolfman?

Calcountry
10-22-2004, 05:40 PM
I used to just think you were a condescending
prick because I hated your team, now I know its just the way you are...
Pompous ass is how I would put it. :clap: :thumb:

Calcountry
10-22-2004, 05:40 PM
Yeah... I get that from inferior people...
He can't help it that he was born so great.

Calcountry
10-22-2004, 05:41 PM
Durrrr...

Too bad TJ makes a legit point. But what do you care, just keep flaming, that's what smart people do.
Like Howard Dean did? Man he was sure smart, he ran for President, just by flaming.

Calcountry
10-22-2004, 05:42 PM
I dont care what Kerry says, he will *attempt* to raise taxes.

I just hope to God that the GOP doesnt cave in because the political winds will have the onus on them.

I figure it will wind up like it did in 94, when Clinton shut down the govt by not signing in the spending bills...this of course was blamed on congress for 'draconian cuts' which were spending increases. Funny how this game is played.
Elect Kerry to be Amerika's second president.

DenverChief
10-22-2004, 08:27 PM
Piss off! I hope the Donkey's plane crashes...

How childish:shake:

KCWolfman
10-22-2004, 10:48 PM
Ringleader? Wolfman?
Yet another lifelong statement to remember from Pitt. Your input is invaluable as we all learn so much..... and now a penguin on the telly.