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RINGLEADER
10-23-2004, 08:34 PM
CINCINNATI (AP) - A federal appeals court ruled Saturday that provisional ballots Ohio voters cast outside their own precincts should not be counted, throwing out a lower-court decision that said such ballots are valid as long as they are cast in the correct county.

The ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals supports an order issued by Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. Democrats contend the Republican official's rules are too restrictive and allege they are intended to suppress the vote.

Ohio Democrats on Saturday night decided not to file an appeal in the case, one of the first major tests of how such ballots will be handled in a close election. Polls show that the race between President Bush and Sen. John Kerry in the key swing state is too close to call.

Federal judges in several states have issued varying rulings on the issue of provisional ballots, which are intended to be backups for eligible voters whose names do not appear on the rolls. Saturday's ruling was the first time a federal appeals court has weighed in.

The state's Democrats had filed a lawsuit challenging Blackwell's directive instructing county elections boards not to give ballots to voters who come to the wrong precinct and to send them to the correct polling place on Election Day.

Blackwell has said allowing voters to cast a ballot wherever they show up, even if they're not registered to vote there, is a recipe for Election Day chaos.

The Ohio Democratic Party and a coalition of labor and voter rights groups had argued that Blackwell's order discriminated against the poor and minorities, who tend to move more frequently.

U.S. District Judge James Carr on Oct. 14 blocked Blackwell's directive, ruling that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place still can cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered. Blackwell appealed to the 6th Circuit.

"Today's ruling reaffirms Secretary Blackwell's understanding of the law," Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo said in a statement. "Unfortunately the frivolous lawsuits filed by the Ohio Democratic Party and its allies have needlessly wasted the valuable time of election officials across the state as they prepare for this important election."

Democrats said Saturday they were disappointed by the ruling but were ready to move on with election preparations.

"To avoid any confusion, we are not going to appeal this ruling," David Sullivan, voter protection coordinator for the Ohio Democratic Party, said in a statement. "That way we can ensure that voters and election officials understand that voters must be in the proper polling place before casting a vote."

Similar court battles are under way in other states. In Florida, a federal judge ruled Thursday that the state must reject provisional ballots if they are cast in the wrong precinct.

In Michigan, a federal judge said those ballots must be counted if cast by voters at the wrong precinct but in the right city, township or village. That decision also has been appealed to the 6th Circuit, but the appellate court has yet to issue a ruling in that case.

In Missouri and Colorado, judges have ruled that votes in the wrong place don't have to be counted.

Provisional ballots are not counted until after the election. They are set aside and inspected by Democratic and Republican election board employees to establish their validity.

States nationwide have adopted individual standards for when a provisional ballot can be cast and counted. Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia require a provisional ballot to be cast in the correct precinct, or it will not count.

In 2000, Bush beat Al Gore by only 3.6 percentage points in Ohio, which went for Democrat Bill Clinton in the two previous elections. More than 100,000 provisional ballots were cast in Ohio during the 2000 election.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041024/D85TG1380.html

MadProphetMargin
10-24-2004, 12:09 AM
Jesus. The country is in a fine state when people are begging judges not to count votes.

Both parties have indulged in some rotten frickin' business this time around. They all ought to be given the bastinado.

WoodDraw
10-24-2004, 12:27 AM
So limiting the number of people who can vote is now called a victory?

MadProphetMargin
10-24-2004, 12:31 AM
So limiting the number of people who can vote is now called a victory?

Apparently so. Anything goes, they say.

Welcome to the post-American century.

alanm
10-24-2004, 01:28 AM
Yep, Your names not on the list you don't get to vote. That and the fact that they actually have to provide bodies to vote democrat means they have to cruise the backalleys trolling for bums with Mad Dog. I've the utmost confidence they can pull it off.:thumb:

MadProphetMargin
10-24-2004, 01:56 AM
Yep, Your names not on the list you don't get to vote. That and the fact that they actually have to provide bodies to vote democrat means they have to cruise the backalleys trolling for bums with Mad Dog. I've the utmost confidence they can pull it off.:thumb:


No sweat, here in Chicago. Vote early, vote often, we always say.

Hell, Al Capone is probably still on the voter list.

BigOlChiefsfan
10-24-2004, 06:34 AM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pglitch23oct23,0,3825651,print.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

alnorth
10-24-2004, 07:05 AM
I cant understand some of you people who have a problem with this. If you show up at the wrong precinct, tough, your a moron. Where the hell is the responsibility of the voter?

Why do we not allow votes in the wrong precinct? BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALSO BE VOTING IN RACES THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN, FOOL!

Lets see, lotsa Republicans in western Kansas know their guy is safe, but wanna help Kobach... no problem! "Oops, all 10,000 of us showed up in the wrong precinct. We could a swore we were registered in Lawrence and not in west Kansas! Oh well, gimme a ballot, just because I made a mistake doesnt mean you cant let me vote!"

Warrior5
10-24-2004, 07:31 AM
I cant understand some of you people who have a problem with this. If you show up at the wrong precinct, tough, your a moron. Where the hell is the responsibility of the voter?

Why do we not allow votes in the wrong precinct? BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALSO BE VOTING IN RACES THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN, FOOL!

Lets see, lotsa Republicans in western Kansas know their guy is safe, but wanna help Kobach... no problem! "Oops, all 10,000 of us showed up in the wrong precinct. We could a swore we were registered in Lawrence and not in west Kansas! Oh well, gimme a ballot, just because I made a mistake doesnt mean you cant let me vote!"

Well said, alnorth. Why does anyone have a problem with this decision? If you can't show up at the place you're supposed to vote at, you're too irresponsible to be voting anyway.

It's a rule everyone knows about before hand, so comply and quit trying to be victims. And since everyone knows to vote on or before 2 November, plan ahead. If you have an extenuating circumstance, request exception before hand.

I'm already fed up with the "I'm a disenfranchised victim" crap; it's going to be much, much worse this time than 2000.