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2bikemike
10-28-2004, 06:26 PM
I find it kind of funny not one Charger home game has been broadcast on TV since they ended the ticket guarantee. The NFL has given them a 24 hour extension to sell out this game. They have about 3,000 tickets left to mark it a sell out. And they are winning this year. Maybe everyone is waiting for the annual Charger collapse.

The Raider game has typically had no problems selling out due to all the Raider gang banger wanna be thugs. The game always has problems (fights and such) The Chargers even went so far as to say that if you buy single game tickets for the Raider game you had to purchase the same number of tickets for another game. Not sure if they are doing that this year.

Logical
10-28-2004, 06:45 PM
I find it kind of funny not one Charger home game has been broadcast on TV since they ended the ticket guarantee. The NFL has given them a 24 hour extension to sell out this game. They have about 3,000 tickets left to mark it a sell out. And they are winning this year. Maybe everyone is waiting for the annual Charger collapse.

The Raider game has typically had no problems selling out due to all the Raider gang banger wanna be thugs. The game always has problems (fights and such) The Chargers even went so far as to say that if you buy single game tickets for the Raider game you had to purchase the same number of tickets for another game. Not sure if they are doing that this year.

Yes, you still have to buy a 2nd game's ticket for every Raider game ticket you buy.

Phobia
10-28-2004, 06:47 PM
Wow. That's unfortunate. I guess people are too busy hugging trees and finding new ways to make ridiculous laws out there.

Deberg_1990
10-28-2004, 07:02 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. Why does the NFL want a team in LA so bad? People out in SoCal are not passionate about Pro Football.

2bikemike
10-28-2004, 07:06 PM
Yes, you still have to buy a 2nd game's ticket for every Raider game ticket you buy.

Glad they don't make you do that for the Chiefs game.

Crush
10-28-2004, 07:16 PM
Why does the NFL want a team in LA so bad?


Potential $$$. You just can't ignore the second biggest market out there.

Logical
10-28-2004, 07:20 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. Why does the NFL want a team in LA so bad? People out in SoCal are not passionate about Pro Football.

Truthfully the Chargers probably sell more tickets than the Chiefs did during the 80s (the equivalent poor performance period by the Chiefs). I believe they are still averaging more than 50000 a game after more than a decade of losing. The Chiefs were only averaging around 35 to 40K as I recall during the 80s.

2bikemike
10-28-2004, 07:21 PM
Potential $$$. You just can't ignore the second biggest market out there.

Definately the issue. They can't ignore the almighty dollar. It is pretty sad that the 2nd largest city in the country and they can't even hold a Football team.

bricks
10-28-2004, 07:35 PM
Well sure they've been sh*tty for so many seasons. Maybe that's why the fans don't want to go to games cause of that reason. I hope I don't eat crow at the end of the season for making statements like this.

el borracho
10-28-2004, 07:57 PM
Definately the issue. They can't ignore the almighty dollar. It is pretty sad that the 2nd largest city in the country and they can't even hold a Football team.

The stadium the Raidurrs were playing in was a horrible design for a football stadium and also in a crap neighborhood where people were afraid of robbery and/ or physical assault on their person or property. People also have way more entertainment options in SoCal than in places like Green Bay and the other thing is that most of SoCal is made up of people who have moved from other places and who have no loyalty to local teams because they did not grow up rooting for them.

It is silly of the NFL to think they can simply move a team to LA unless they figure out where they can put a stadium. Nobody is going to go if it's the same old, same old.

Logical
10-28-2004, 08:00 PM
The stadium the Raidurrs were playing in was a horrible design for a football stadium and also in a crap neighborhood where people were afraid of robbery and/ or physical assault on their person or property. People also have way more entertainment options in SoCal than in places like Green Bay and the other thing is that most of SoCal is made up of people who have moved from other places and who have no loyalty to local teams because they did not grow up rooting for them.

It is silly of the NFL to think they can simply move a team to LA unless they figure out where they can put a stadium. Nobody is going to go if it's the same old, same old.

I agree with you. Right now there is really no place for a Pro team to establish itself in LA. Most likely the team is going to be at best marginal at first and if you are going to have to attend at a pit or decrepit location then the chances for success are slim.

Skip Towne
10-28-2004, 08:08 PM
Truthfully the Chargers probably sell more tickets than the Chiefs did during the 80s (the equivalent poor performance period by the Chiefs). I believe they are still averaging more than 50000 a game after more than a decade of losing. The Chiefs were only averaging around 35 to 40K as I recall during the 80s.
Ooh! It was worse than that. My season ticket number was #13,XXX. I saw a few "crowds" of 20,000. It was pretty quiet in there.

Lomax
10-28-2004, 08:18 PM
C'mpn, folks. It's San Diego. There are a good many more attractive alternatives than there are in Kansas City.

bkkcoh
10-28-2004, 10:12 PM
they are afraid that the people coming down from the bay may kill 'em in their home stadium....

Deberg_1990
10-28-2004, 10:36 PM
People also have way more entertainment options in SoCal than in places like Green Bay and the other thing is that most of SoCal is made up of people who have moved from other places and who have no loyalty to local teams because they did not grow up rooting for them.



BINGO! Ive been saying this for years!

Boardin Bronco
10-28-2004, 10:51 PM
People out in SoCal are not passionate about Pro Football.

NFL is popular in every part of the United States. The NFL television ratings are high in Southern California.

The problem is, a majority of the fans are transplanted Californians that don't support the local teams and they stick with their previous loyalties. Then you have a good share of people here that have grown up in Southern California but have adopted other football teams because they were turned off by the ownership/mediocrity of the teams down here (Georgia Frontiere, Al Davis, Alex Spanos). These three are as bad as owners get.

el borracho
10-28-2004, 11:08 PM
Hey, boardin bron co,

I'm curious how you managed to earn neg rep in 35 posts.

Boardin Bronco
10-28-2004, 11:12 PM
Hey, boardin bron co,

I'm curious how you managed to earn neg rep in 35 posts.


Just goes with the territory of being a Broncomaniac on a Chiefs message board. No hard feelings.

Actually, frazod is not too fond of me. LOL I wonder why? LMAO

SoCalRaider
10-28-2004, 11:42 PM
The Raider game has typically had no problems selling out due to all the Raider gang banger wanna be thugs. The game always has problems (fights and such) The Chargers even went so far as to say that if you buy single game tickets for the Raider game you had to purchase the same number of tickets for another game. Not sure if they are doing that this year.
The fact that this game is have trouble selling out is more about how disinterested RAIDER fans have become, and less about current fan interest in the Chargers...

SoCalRaider
10-28-2004, 11:47 PM
Wow. That's unfortunate. I guess people are too busy hugging trees and finding new ways to make ridiculous laws out there.
This from somebody living in KC... This is the kind of shit you'd see on the donkeymane...

Douche Baggins
10-28-2004, 11:48 PM
Just goes with the territory of being a Broncomaniac on a Chiefs message board. No hard feelings.

Actually, frazod is not too fond of me. LOL I wonder why? LMAO

Here's some more. :D

SoCalRaider
10-28-2004, 11:51 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. Why does the NFL want a team in LA so bad? People out in SoCal are not passionate about Pro Football.
Let's see... and how do you explain the Lakers' following? Do those people out in SoCal only follow basketball? %(/

SoCalRaider
10-28-2004, 11:53 PM
Definately the issue. They can't ignore the almighty dollar. It is pretty sad that the 2nd largest city in the country and they can't even hold a Football team.
Neither can the largest city in the country... Don't the Giants and Jets both play in New Jersey? ;)

Rausch
10-28-2004, 11:55 PM
Neither can the largest city in the country... Don't the Giants and Jets both play in New Jersey? ;) :spock:

Ugly Duck
10-28-2004, 11:57 PM
C'mpn, folks. It's San Diego. There are a good many more attractive alternatives than there are in Kansas City.Naw... they don't wanna believe that in Mo. They'd rather believe we Californians are out "hugging trees and making ridiculous laws" when we're not in the stadiums. They don't wanna know about surfin & fishin & beachcombing the tide pools up and down the Left Coast. Our skiing & boating & hiking the many State & National parks. Or the world-renowned cultural centers & famous landmarks that attract visitors from all over the globe. California - its just way cool.

philfree
10-29-2004, 12:01 AM
If the Chargers beat the Raiders this week maybe the fair weather Chargers fans will start attending games and help them sell out a game or two. It's a sad, sad situation :shake:

PhilFree :arrow:

Rausch
10-29-2004, 12:01 AM
Naw... they don't wanna believe that in Mo. They'd rather believe we Californians are out "hugging trees and making ridiculous laws" when we're not in the stadiums. They don't wanna know about surfin & fishin & beachcombing the tide pools up and down the Left Coast. Our skiing & boating & hiking the many State & National parks. Or the world-renowned cultural centers & famous landmarks that attract visitors from all over the globe. California - its just way cool.

I've been to Vegas, which is 4 hours from your coast and the home of gambling and all things naughty.

They're BEGGING for a MLB or NFL team. Either one, they'd take either.

You've kicked out one of each.

And you're going to toss $#it on our lawn?...

SoCalRaider
10-29-2004, 01:25 AM
I've been to Vegas, which is 4 hours from your coast and the home of gambling and all things naughty.

They're BEGGING for a MLB or NFL team. Either one, they'd take either.

Wanting an NFL team, and paying the taxes to support one are entirely different issues. Vegas may be interested because they've never had one before... but what if they get stuck with a team like the one they have in San Diego. A team that spends a #1 pick on Ryan Leaf and then passes on Eli Manning. A team that ships away all its veteran talent once they become free agents (Seau, Parella, Harrison). A team that threatens to sue the city in order to get a better stadium deal.

That kind of failure won't cut it in cities like Vegas, LA, or SD because the entertainment market's too competitive. If you want to sell in these cities, you absolutely have to put out a winner. If you don't everyone will walk away NOT because they lack the passion, or the commitment, or the loyalty. They'll walk away because the casinos and strip clubs are a hell of a lot more entertaining than watching their football team get its ass kicked.

XXXshogunXXX
10-29-2004, 01:47 AM
Wanting an NFL team, and paying the taxes to support one are entirely different issues. Vegas may be interested because they've never had one before... but what if they get stuck with a team like the one they have in San Diego. A team that spends a #1 pick on Ryan Leaf and then passes on Eli Manning. A team that ships away all its veteran talent once they become free agents (Seau, Parella, Harrison). A team that threatens to sue the city in order to get a better stadium deal.

That kind of failure won't cut it in cities like Vegas, LA, or SD because the entertainment market's too competitive. If you want to sell in these cities, you absolutely have to put out a winner. If you don't everyone will walk away NOT because they lack the passion, or the commitment, or the loyalty. They'll walk away because the casinos and strip clubs are a hell of a lot more entertaining than watching their football team get its ass kicked.

we didnt pass on eli, he was picked, then traded for 2 #1's and other picks. Seau, and harrison were cut..parella was the only one that was given up to FA. The team sued the city to get a new stadium, but if you're going to fault the Chargers, you also have to blame Al Davis for suing Oakland for promised sellouts. Why did he sue the city of Oakland....and not the mythical Raider Nation that we keep hearing about. The fans should be blamed for attendance. An entire nation of fans can at least sell out the stadium once in awhile. The chargers have attendance issues, but they didnt sue the city over it.

SoCalRaider
10-29-2004, 02:00 AM
we didnt pass on eli, he was picked, then traded for 2 #1's and other picks. Seau, and harrison were cut..parella was the only one that was given up to FA. The team sued the city to get a new stadium, but if you're going to fault the Chargers, you also have to blame Al Davis for suing Oakland for promised sellouts. Why did he sue the city of Oakland....and not the mythical Raider Nation that we keep hearing about. The fans should be blamed for attendance. An entire nation of fans can at least sell out the stadium once in awhile. The chargers have attendance issues, but they didnt sue the city over it.
- I disagree about Manning. You had the first pick in the draft, and you gave him up for the third best QB in the draft and some draft picks. Stupid move in my opinion.

- You raise good points about Seau and Harrison... but it seems they still had quite a bit left in their tanks when they were let go by the Chargers. I think both those situations were poorly handled by that organization.

- As for Davis, I have little respect for the way he's currently marketing the RAIDERS, and I put the blame completely on him for turning the RAIDERS into the Chargers. But your shot at the "Raider Nation" has no substance since the RAIDERS managed to sell out 2 home games this year before their season fell apart.

chiefsfolife
10-29-2004, 02:12 AM
f#ck the raiders F#ck cali too...nobody there has any pride for their home and what represents it...bunch of fags if u ask me

el borracho
10-29-2004, 09:00 AM
Wanting an NFL team, and paying the taxes to support one are entirely different issues. Vegas may be interested because they've never had one before... but what if they get stuck with a team like the one they have in San Diego. A team that spends a #1 pick on Ryan Leaf and then passes on Eli Manning. A team that ships away all its veteran talent once they become free agents (Seau, Parella, Harrison). A team that threatens to sue the city in order to get a better stadium deal.

That kind of failure won't cut it in cities like Vegas, LA, or SD because the entertainment market's too competitive. If you want to sell in these cities, you absolutely have to put out a winner. If you don't everyone will walk away NOT because they lack the passion, or the commitment, or the loyalty. They'll walk away because the casinos and strip clubs are a hell of a lot more entertaining than watching their football team get its ass kicked.

San Diego 4 and 3
Oakland 2 and 5

el borracho
10-29-2004, 09:01 AM
f#ck the raiders F#ck cali too...nobody there has any pride for their home and what represents it...bunch of fags if u ask me
If in the future I should ever forget, remind me not to ask you.

Spott
10-29-2004, 10:22 AM
The fact that this game is have trouble selling out is more about how disinterested RAIDER fans have become, and less about current fan interest in the Chargers...

It's pretty sad for San Diego has isn't selling out because the VISITING fans are the ones that are dis-interested.

2bikemike
10-29-2004, 03:58 PM
The fact that this game is have trouble selling out is more about how disinterested RAIDER fans have become, and less about current fan interest in the Chargers...



Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! That is exactly why this game is not sold out.

Being a Chief fan in the San Diego area I only go the the Charger Chiefs game unless somebody gives me a ticket to any other game.

The fact of the matter is there are too many attractions that take away from football here. And there are many like me who root for their home teams. When the Chargers went to the Superbowl the town went nuts and all the bandwagon fans came out. They never reached the fevered pitch it does in KC any given day but they tried.

Ugly Duck
10-29-2004, 11:13 PM
F#ck cali too...nobody there has any pride for their home and what represents it...bunch of fags if u ask meDude! That is like so totally not right! We love California & are like totally proud of our home in a very heterosexual way. Just the babes alone would make you change your mind about our state. Ask Vlad.... the scenery at Blacks Beach could turn a gay man straight - give us a visit before you like totally diss us....

SoCalRaider
10-30-2004, 12:11 AM
Ask Vlad.... the scenery at Blacks Beach could turn a gay man straight - give us a visit before you like totally diss us....
Black's Beach in SD and Hidden Beach in Tahoe aren't quite what they claim to be... ;)

2bikemike
10-30-2004, 08:43 AM
Well since the league gave a 24 hour extension. Some company came in and bought up the remaining tickets to mark it a sell out.

They are going to distribute them to Local Police and Fire Departments. Which I think is a pretty cool move.

Ugly Duck
10-30-2004, 10:04 AM
Black's Beach in SD and Hidden Beach in Tahoe aren't quite what they claim to be... ;)Too bad about Blacks... thats what happens when you get famous, I guess. Still some good scenery at the NoCal beaches, but its gonna get too cold for nekkidness pretty soon. Have you noticed how many California Girls are getting those pattern tatoos just above their butts? Must be some kinda fad.... nice, though!

SoCalRaider
10-30-2004, 11:04 AM
Have you noticed how many California Girls are getting those pattern tatoos just above their butts? Must be some kinda fad.... nice, though!
I can't even remember the last time I saw a girl without one of those on her ass...

Ugly Duck
10-30-2004, 05:19 PM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a girl without one of those on her ass...http://www.bluewitch.com/tattoos/flash/greenone.jpg

Bowser
10-30-2004, 05:21 PM
Too bad about Blacks... thats what happens when you get famous, I guess. Still some good scenery at the NoCal beaches, but its gonna get too cold for nekkidness pretty soon. Have you noticed how many California Girls are getting those pattern tatoos just above their butts? Must be some kinda fad.... nice, though!

Those are what we call the "Aim Here" tatoo.

milkman
10-30-2004, 06:47 PM
Wanting an NFL team, and paying the taxes to support one are entirely different issues. Vegas may be interested because they've never had one before... but what if they get stuck with a team like the one they have in San Diego. A team that spends a #1 pick on Ryan Leaf and then passes on Eli Manning. A team that ships away all its veteran talent once they become free agents (Seau, Parella, Harrison). A team that threatens to sue the city in order to get a better stadium deal.

I think the Chargers did the smart thing regarding Manning.
They were told that Eli wouldn't play for them if he was drafted by them, and with his dad and brother for support, I doubt that it was an idle threat.

I don't think that Eli wanted to miss a season, but he wouldn't have signed if drafted.

As for Leaf, you can lay that one at Bobby Beathard's feet.
He was warned about Leaf's mental makeup.
He just ignored that warning.

The fact is that Beathard, more than Spanos, is responsible for the terrible team that has played there for the the better part of a decade.

2bikemike
10-30-2004, 06:54 PM
I think the Chargers did the smart thing regarding Manning.
They were told that Eli wouldn't play for them if he was drafted by them, and with his dad and brother for support, I doubt that it was an idle threat.

I don't think that Eli wanted to miss a season, but he wouldn't have signed if drafted.

As for Leaf, you can lay that one at Bobby Beathard's feet.
He was warned about Leaf's mental makeup.
He just ignored that warning.

The fact is that Beathard, more than Spanos, is responsible for the terrible team that has played there for the the better part of a decade.

Not to mention trading away a lot of high round draft picks for a number of years.