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tk13
10-29-2004, 02:30 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/10041488.htm

Sack-tacular SURPRISE

Pass rusher Allen quickly exceeding KC's expectations

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star


Chiefs rookie Jared Allen wore a black eye this week courtesy of a stray fist he took in last week's victory over Atlanta. Allen couldn't have been prouder.

“It makes me feel,” he said, beaming, “like a football player.”

Allen has other reasons for feeling as if he belongs. A fourth-round draft pick, Allen has emerged as the Chiefs' pass-rush specialist. Despite playing limited snaps, Allen leads the Chiefs and all NFL rookies in sacks with four.

He took down Michael Vick twice last week, including once when he shoved 290-pound Atlanta tackle Kevin Shaffer aside on the way to his target. Allen's play gives the Chiefs hope they can get to Peyton Manning when they play the Colts on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium.

Manning has been sacked just four times this season. The Chiefs got to Manning only once in last year's playoff game, and that was accomplished by the since-departed R-Kal Truluck.

“Peyton Manning is obviously a different beast than Michael Vick,” Allen said. “You look at the schedule, and you kind of get excited about this game. But we've still got to get to him.”

If they do, chances are it will be Allen. He plays the right end on passing downs and is pushing for more playing time. Chances are, after the way he played against the Falcons, he will get it.

“I'd like to see him play more,” said Lynn Stiles, the Chiefs' vice president for football operations. “I'm a spectator on Sunday just like everybody else. He's a player other teams have to account for. I'm not comparing him to Derrick Thomas, but Derrick was one of those kinds of guys. Neil Smith was one of those kinds of guys.

“I've said all along that if he gets enough snaps, he'll get a sack a game. But he's got to be playing to do it.”

Allen is far ahead of the curve. A fourth-round pick is supposed to be playing on special teams at this point of his rookie season, particularly for a veteran-filled team like the Chiefs.

But Allen is the unusual Chiefs draft pick who is exceeding expectations. The Chiefs hoped Allen would eventually become a starter. He had 38½ career sacks at Division I-AA Idaho State, including 17½ as a senior.

Combine his small-college background and the fact that at about 270 pounds he's a little undersized, and even the Chiefs weren't certain.

Now the Chiefs are lining up to take credit for his selection. Asked who pushed for his selection, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said: “Me. No one makes all the decisions or gets everything right. But I had a real strong feeling on this guy and I got support from everybody else and we drafted him.

“I loved what I saw on college tapes. I've said this many times: I saw Grant Wistrom in this kid, that kind of passion to play the game and a long body that can lean and turn and twist and run. I'm not the only one who saw it, but I know at that time in the draft I was pushing for everybody else to get involved in the evaluation process and consider this guy seriously.”

Stiles, who oversees the Chiefs' draft preparations, was startled to hear Vermeil's comment.

“He said that? Well, whatever Dick said,” Stiles said. “I don't care who gets the credit. Coach Vermeil, Carl Peterson, Lamar Hunt, the janitor can get the credit for all I care.

“If he had played Division I-A, you would have said he was the next Grant Wistrom because he was a playmaker. There are many similarities. They both have great motors. They're both instinctive players.”

Allen usually comes out of the game in regular down-and-distance situations. The Chiefs would like to see him get stronger before they will use him regularly in that role.

“We've said all along that he's a good football player and will continue to get better and has to play more,” Vermeil said. “I think he's a guy who has some very, natural instinctive pass-rush ability. He has a great passion to play the game, and his motor's always running, and if anyone makes a mistake he can get there because he doesn't turn his motor off. That's just the kind of kid he is.”

Allen also might be the kind of kid who ends the season as the Chiefs' sack leader. No rookie has done so since Thomas in 1989.

“It wouldn't surprise me,” Vermeil said. “I believe Jared Allen has the ability to one-on-one pass rush against a good offensive tackle, and he'll get his share of sacks.”

Allen is taking a good amount of grief from linemates like Eric Hicks and Lional Dalton about his sack lead. He's certain to hear more as the season wears on.

“They'll probably make me take them out to dinner,” Allen said. “But that's OK. That would definitely be worth it.”

http://www.kansascity.com/images/kansascity/kansascitystar/news/Jared_Allen.jpg
JIM BARCUS/The Kansas City Star
In his first pro season, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen (above) already is putting the squeeze on opposing quarterbacks. Allen leads NFL rookies with four sacks.

ChiefJustice
10-29-2004, 03:16 AM
I love that photo!!

royr17
10-29-2004, 03:34 AM
I love this guy, im glad that the chiefs picked him cause i love the way he plays, he is a monster at getting to the QB and it will be great to see him doing that, cause it would just bring up the days of Neil Smith and Derrick together, but im comparing Jared to Neil Smith, cause in my opinion Jared will not surpass what Thomas did in his career.

Miles
10-29-2004, 03:38 AM
Everything i read about this guy makes me more optomistic about his future. There are a ton of flash in the pan DE's that come around but im really hoping he is a keeper.

Ari Chi3fs
10-29-2004, 03:47 AM
17 1/2 sacks his senior year. damn.

Miles
10-29-2004, 03:49 AM
17 1/2 sacks his senior year. damn.

Nice but still he was playing Division I-AA.

philfree
10-29-2004, 03:56 AM
Nice but still he was playing Division I-AA.

He also had a crazy number of tackles behind the line of scrimmage. 35 or something.......He impressed me in preseason and he's impressed me more since. If he he don't get cut blocked/cheap shottted and broken by the Donks he could have a great NFL career as a Chief. Maybe.........


PhilFree :arrow:

ARROW2
10-29-2004, 04:38 AM
But......but.....but....K.C. had no significant additions to that defense.......according to the uninformed idiots on television.

Ari Chi3fs
10-29-2004, 04:55 AM
you can still see his black eye in the pic.

Demonpenz
10-29-2004, 05:04 AM
D AA is still pretty impressive, just take a look at who they played his senior year, most of teams he played against were in the D AA playoffs.

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 07:03 AM
Feh...Im positive Carl could have gotten better value out of that pick. Im sure Carl missed the true Probowler in that round, just ask shane.

nmt1
10-29-2004, 07:53 AM
Feh...Im positive Carl could have gotten better value out of that pick. Im sure Carl missed the true Probowler in that round, just ask shane.

Actually, you'll need to ask him 10 years from now when he can give you an objective answer.

shakesthecat
10-29-2004, 07:56 AM
But......but.....but....K.C. had no significant additions to that defense.......according to the uninformed idiots on television.

Sorry to nit pick, but you mis spelled ChiefsPlanet. :thumb:

nmt1
10-29-2004, 07:59 AM
I'm glad Allen is playing well. I had no idea what to think of him when they drafted him. I figured he was another longshot or project.

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 08:00 AM
Sorry to nit pick, but you mis spelled ChiefsPlanet. :thumb:

That's ok, he misspelled genious (chiefsplanet spelling) too...

CosmicPal
10-29-2004, 08:21 AM
Well, I'm on the Jared bandwagon.

I'd give anything to see Jared beetchslap Manning around quite a few times on Sunday.

Just for you Manning- we're changing the name from Arrowhead to Horrorhead stadium! Manning is going down hard....

Jared- keep it up man...I'd love to see you end up with defensive rookie of the year honors- that'd be sweet!

Rain Man
10-29-2004, 08:36 AM
I said before they drafted him that I saw a lot of Grant Wistrom in him.

CosmicPal
10-29-2004, 08:42 AM
I said before they drafted him that I saw a lot of Grant Wistrom in him.

I thought you said he reminded you of Jared the Subway guy?

the Talking Can
10-29-2004, 08:43 AM
His girlfriend dumped him when she found out he wasn't Grant Wistrom.

the Talking Can
10-29-2004, 08:46 AM
Allen has the same number of sacks as Kearse and Freeney, in a fraction of the snaps.

He has more sacks than Grant Wistrom (2.5).

Iowanian
10-29-2004, 08:57 AM
Allen is playing very hard and obviously doing very well..........He's got potential to be a real fan favorite in KC.

I'm on the wagon, and as I've said a couple of times...........I can't wait to see him next season, after he's addd 10-15lbs of muscle in the offseason.

I think its very feasible that Allen could have 10-12 sacks this season.

Rain Man
10-29-2004, 09:01 AM
I thought you said he reminded you of Jared the Subway guy?

The two comparisons don't have to be mutually exclusive.

JimNasium
10-29-2004, 09:11 AM
I thought you said he reminded you of Jared the Subway guy?
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/17/subway.guy.ap/story.jared.ap.jpg

Iowanian
10-29-2004, 09:24 AM
In a way that is a very relevant picture.

If people are going to compare the Rookie to Neil Smith.......he DOES have some big pants to fill.

kc rush
10-29-2004, 09:46 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/10041488.htm

Allen is taking a good amount of grief from linemates like Eric Hicks and Lional Dalton about his sack lead. He's certain to hear more as the season wears on.

“They'll probably make me take them out to dinner,” Allen said. “But that's OK. That would definitely be worth it.”

http://www.kansascity.com/images/kansascity/kansascitystar/news/Jared_Allen.jpg
JIM BARCUS/The Kansas City Star
In his first pro season, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen (above) already is putting the squeeze on opposing quarterbacks. Allen leads NFL rookies with four sacks.



This bugs me. Any D-Lineman who has fewer sacks than a part time rookie player should be getting the hard time. They should be taking him out for dinner.

KC Jones
10-29-2004, 09:51 AM
With Allen and Siavii I think we've gone a long ways towards adding the future foundation of our defense. Allen needs to get beefier and play more downs, Siavii needs a lot of work on technique and using leverage. In a couple of years both of these guys could become regular pro bowlers.

TEX
10-29-2004, 10:00 AM
_________________________________________________________

But Allen is the unusual Chiefs draft pick who is exceeding expectations.

__________________________________________________________

For some reason, this struck me as being pretty funny....

el borracho
10-29-2004, 10:19 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/10041488.htm

Chiefs rookie Jared Allen wore a black eye this week courtesy of a stray fist he took in last week's victory over Atlanta. Allen couldn't have been prouder.

“It makes me feel,” he said, beaming, “like a football player.”
I bet Gunther is in love! ROFL

KC Jones
10-29-2004, 10:25 AM
I bet Gunther is in love! ROFL


I bet he sent Allen a sleeveless muscle shirt to wear.

bricks
10-29-2004, 11:16 AM
Jared Allen is a beast! 10-15 sacks this year.

R&GHomer
10-29-2004, 11:30 AM
I bet Gunther is in love! ROFL


He does have that thing for facial hair.

Mr. Laz
10-29-2004, 12:58 PM
apparently Adam read my thread







o:-) o:-)

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:09 PM
Allen has the same number of sacks as Kearse and Freeney, in a fraction of the snaps.

He has more sacks than Grant Wistrom (2.5).

We did nothing to improve this defense. Didn't even try to...

Mr. Laz
10-29-2004, 01:23 PM
We did nothing to improve this defense. Didn't even try to...

you really think a forth rd draft pick should be considered a "real effort" to improve a defense that had been so bad for so long as ours?


Jared allen is one of those nice surprise picks that should compliment the real improvements that are made.

a nice "bonus"

jspchief
10-29-2004, 01:26 PM
Does anyone have his combine numbers? I remember someone on another board saying that his bench press numbers were absolutely pathetic. It gave me the impression that he would be a project or end up as a tweener that relied solely on speed (which won't get you much in the NFL). Based on what I had read, I had no reason to expect anything from him this year or anytime soon. Suprise, suprise.

The thing I love most about this guy is his motor. he goes non-stop and he seems to be involved in the play every time he's on the field. I can remember several times in the Atlanta game where Dunn just slipped out of his grasp, avoiding a spectacular play deep in the backfield. Even when he isn't making the tackle his penetration seems to disrupt plays. I also love that when he rushes, he rushes the ball, not the QB. I get tired of watching our other DEs trying to get to the QB while the RB is already 5 yards downfield. It's like they have no clue where tha ball is...Allen is just the opposite. As soon as the hand-off takes place he readjusts to pursue the runner. He has a nose for the ball.

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:30 PM
you really think a forth rd draft pick should be considered a "real effort" to improve a defense that had been so bad for so long as ours?

'real effort'...I think we have another Lexicon entry boys and girls. Let's get a definition together.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:36 PM
'real effort'...I think we have another Lexicon entry boys and girls. Let's get a definition together.

2 Lexi-pts for Titus....do I at least get an assist? I mean, that was just a perfect pick play...

Mr. Laz
10-29-2004, 01:39 PM
2 Lexi-pts for Titus....do I at least get an assist? I mean, that was just a perfect pick play...
thanks for the quote :shake:




too bad iggy doesn't catch the quotes too

Chiefnj
10-29-2004, 01:42 PM
Does anyone have his combine numbers? I remember someone on another board saying that his bench press numbers were absolutely pathetic. It gave me the impression that he would be a project or end up as a tweener that relied solely on speed (which won't get you much in the NFL). Based on what I had read, I had no reason to expect anything from him this year

Jared Allen Scouting Report from cbssportsline

Career Notes

The most dominating pass rusher in the NCAA Division 1-AA ranks, Jared was recognized as the division's premier defensive player by becoming the first Big Sky Conference player to ever win the Buck Buchanan Award in 2003 ... The most decorated player in school history had a stellar career that saw him wreak havoc in the opposing backfield ever since he arrived on campus ... Blessed with superb athletic skills, he adds to his impressive resume with his abilities as a quality long snapper ... The son of former Minnesota Viking, Ron Allen, Jared started 33 of 41 games during his career ... The four-time All-Big Sky Conference selection finished his career with 250 tackles (112 solos), 38.5 sacks for minus 269 yards, 73 stops for losses of 338 yards, seven fumble recoveries for 57 yards in returns, including a touchdown, 13 forced fumbles, three interceptions for 38 yards in returns with a score, 26 pass deflections, a blocked kick and a 3-yard touchdown catch ... Only Josh Hayes (42, 1994-96) had more sacks in ISU history ... His 13 fumbles caused set another school career-record.
Analysis

Positives: Has a tall, rangy, athletic build with room for additional growth ... Flashes a sudden burst as a pass rusher and has the quickness to get up field and turn the offensive tackle ... Fights pressure well and will usually always find the ball ... Smart, instinctive player who won't be fooled by misdirection or play action ... Gains advantage over the slower blockers coming off the edge ... Uses his hands effectively to separate and control ... Very emotional and vocal leader who plays from snap to whistle ... Shows good hand quickness with a snap-toe average of 0.72-0.80 seconds on long snapping chores ... Has the lateral agility to string plays wide and shows the foot quickness to mirror tight ends and backs covering the pass in the short area ... Possesses above average balance and body control in his pursuit chase.

Negatives: Has a softer-than-ideal body and needs to add strength and muscle mass to his frame ... Productive pass rusher, but the level of competition was not good ... Marginal run defender who gets sealed by the tight end, reached by the offensive tackle and does not generate power when redirecting in-line ... Has poor strength at the point of attack, generally getting stuffed when playing too tall in his stance ... Usually neutralized vs. double teams and can be sealed inside by the smaller slot receiver ... Gains an edge in his pass rush, but an offensive tackle with good hand placement can yank him to the ground (gets washed out and does not use his hands with force to shed) ... Grab-and-drag down type of tackler with poor wrap-up technique ... Needs to use his hands better to prevent blockers from cutting him at his feet ... Lacks dedication to the weight room and to a good nutrition program during the off-season ... Had several off-field incidents that need further evaluation.

Injury Report



Campus Agility Tests

4.88 in the 40-yard dash ... Bench presses 225 pounds 13 times ... 1.72 10-yard dash ... 4.36 20-yard shuttle ... 33-inch vertical jump ... 32-inch arm length ... 9 3/8-inch hands ... Right-handed ... 22/30 Wonderlic score.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:43 PM
thanks for the quote :shake:




too bad iggy doesn't catch the quotes too

Putting Mr.T on iggy is just a fuggen crime. :shake:

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:43 PM
2 Lexi-pts for Titus....do I at least get an assist? I mean, that was just a perfect pick play...

certainly...

Here's what Im thinking:

Real Effort - Any FA pickup or draft pick made by any NFL franchise except the Chiefs.

We already have 'Get Lucky', so I'll add 'Nice Bonus' as a reference to 'Get Lucky'

ChiefGator
10-29-2004, 01:43 PM
I can't wait to see him next season, after he's addd 10-15lbs of muscle in the offseason.

Man, I'm so tired of hearing people say that. You want to see him slower next season, since he has to pull around 10-15 more pounds of muscle?

The average weight of the top 10 rated DE's by CBSSportsline is 273 pounds. If Allen is really playing at 270, he is fine. More weight does not necessarily a better DE make.

Nothing personal, o'course, Iowanian. That sentiment is expressed all over this board.

Mark

the Talking Can
10-29-2004, 01:46 PM
"Smart, instinctive player who won't be fooled by misdirection or play action .."

I love that. I, also, thought he'd need a year to get stronger. But I've seen him push back some large LTs. Next year, with 10-15 more lbs he should be ready for full time.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:46 PM
certainly...

Here's what Im thinking:

Real Effort - Any FA pickup or draft pick made by any NFL franchise except the Chiefs.

We already have 'Get Lucky', so I'll add 'Nice Bonus' as a reference to 'Get Lucky'


I'm thinking that "real effort" is also related to the amount of money paid to above FA. So Barber would have been "showing effort" due to his contract, but the Dalton signing isn't due to his.

the Talking Can
10-29-2004, 01:47 PM
Man, I'm so tired of hearing people say that. You want to see him slower next season, since he has to pull around 10-15 more pounds of muscle?

The average weight of the top 10 rated DE's by CBSSportsline is 273 pounds. If Allen is really playing at 270, he is fine. More weight does not necessarily a better DE make.

Nothing personal, o'course, Iowanian. That sentiment is expressed all over this board.

Mark

damn, did I set you up or what? ROFL

the Talking Can
10-29-2004, 01:48 PM
"Real Effort" means we sign Wistrom and Allen never plays.

Then we 2.5 instead of 4 sacks.

which would then be another 'FA bust" + "a wasted draft pick"

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:49 PM
"Real Effort" means we sign Wistrom and Allen never plays.

Then we 2.5 instead of 4 sacks.

which would then be another 'FA bust" + "a wasted draft pick"

The Lexicon Force is strong with this one...

ChiefGator
10-29-2004, 01:51 PM
damn, did I set you up or what? ROFL

::chuckle:: Perfectly...

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:51 PM
I'm thinking that "real effort" is also related to the amount of money paid to above FA. So Barber would have been "showing effort" due to his contract, but the Dalton signing isn't due to his.


Good catch...I think you're onto something.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:52 PM
"Real Effort" means we sign Wistrom and Allen never plays.

Then we 2.5 instead of 4 sacks.

which would then be another 'FA bust" + "a wasted draft pick"

You're getting good at this. :thumb:

jspchief
10-29-2004, 01:52 PM
Jared Allen Scouting Report from cbssportsline



4.88 in the 40-yard dash ... Bench presses 225 pounds 13 times ... 1.72 10-yard dash ... 4.36 20-yard shuttle ... 33-inch vertical jump ... 32-inch arm length ... 9 3/8-inch hands ... Right-handed ... 22/30 Wonderlic score.

Thanks. That's what I was talking about. 13 times? When I saw that I was sure that we had blown the pick. I Have buddies that can top that, and it's an embarrassment for NFL combine numbers. He must have had something wrong with him that day.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 01:54 PM
Thanks. That's what I was talking about. 13 times? When I saw that I was sure that we had blown the pick. I Have buddies that can top that, and it's an embarrassment for NFL combine numbers. He must have had something wrong with him that day.

Or he relies on leverage and solid technique more than brute strength. Wouldn't be surprisd if he had wrestling experience...

B2chiefsfan
10-29-2004, 02:00 PM
Campus Agility Tests 4.88 in the 40-yard dash ... Bench presses 225 pounds 13 times ... 1.72 10-yard dash ... 4.36 20-yard shuttle ... 33-inch vertical jump ... 32-inch arm length ... 9 3/8-inch hands ... Right-handed ... 22/30 Wonderlic score.



Whoa!! That can't be right!!

I'm able to do a set of 25 at that weight. That's got to be a typo or something.

Mark M
10-29-2004, 02:03 PM
People put entirely too much stock in a player's size and combine numbers.

I'd rather have a player with outstanding technique over one with sheer strength who doesn't know how to use it.

MM
~~:arrow:

B2chiefsfan
10-29-2004, 02:11 PM
People put entirely too much stock in a player's size and combine numbers.

I'd rather have a player with outstanding technique over one with sheer strength who doesn't know how to use it.

MM
~~:arrow:

I know what you are saying, but an NFL player weighing 270 and only benching 225 thirteen times is absolutely astonishing. :shake:

Mark M
10-29-2004, 02:13 PM
I know what you are saying, but an NFL player weighing 270 and only benching 225 thirteen times is absolutely astonishing. :shake:

True, but it doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to "crush QBs."

Maybe he had a bad day ... ?

MM
~~:shrug:

jspchief
10-29-2004, 02:16 PM
Or he relies on leverage and solid technique more than brute strength. Wouldn't be surprisd if he had wrestling experience...

Brute strength? He's not even in the same league as brute strength. All I was saying is that is a very low number for a NFL caliber DE. Most RBs probably top that.

Rausch
10-29-2004, 02:16 PM
True, but it doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to "crush QBs."

Maybe he had a bad day ... ?

MM
~~:shrug:

We have a productive player and we're going to complain about his combine numbers?

WTF did I do, wake up in some twisted alternate reality?...

Mark M
10-29-2004, 02:17 PM
We have a productive player and we're going to complain about his combine numbers?

WTF did I do, wake up in some twisted alternate reality?...

Did you wake up and expect the Planet to be any different than any other day?

MM
~~;)

philfree
10-29-2004, 02:19 PM
Allen has long arms. Long arms are great for leverage but not so good for bench pressing. Give Allen, Siavii and Fox a year in the Chiefs offseason program and they'll be monsters. It's still early but I thnk we hit a defensive jackpot in the 2004 draft.

PhilFree :arrow:

jspchief
10-29-2004, 02:19 PM
I know what you are saying, but an NFL player weighing 270 and only benching 225 thirteen times is absolutely astonishing. :shake:Exactly. Which leads back to my original point. When I saw those numbers, I thought there was no way he'd amount to anything other than a fast guy that got jammed up on every rush. If that truly is all the stronger he is, it's amazing that he's accomplished what he has.

cheeeefs
10-29-2004, 02:20 PM
I don't care if he can only bench 100 pounds 10 times... he gets to the balls. someone beat me to the punch but I had this quote all ready to bust out

"Smart, instinctive player who won't be fooled by misdirection or play action"

that's what we need, I'm tired of bootlegging, reversing, play actioning bastards making us look like a peewee league defence. It's emberassing to NEVER be able to stop one of those generic trick plays... if Allen can contribute to fixing that problem, I'm all about him... weak bench or not.

B2chiefsfan
10-29-2004, 02:25 PM
True, but it doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to "crush QBs."

Maybe he had a bad day ... ?

MM
~~:shrug:

Very true, I've always considered the Bench Press alone to be highly overrated to say the least. To judge a person for overall strength, they have to be evaluated by the big three;

1. Bench Press
2. Squats
3. Dead Lifts


He's probably a Puller more than a Pusher. This is great when it comes down to snatching QB's heads off.:)

I'm going to watch him very closely this Sunday to see what kind of technique he is using to get to the QB.

Iowanian
10-29-2004, 02:28 PM
Man, I'm so tired of hearing people say that. You want to see him slower next season, since he has to pull around 10-15 more pounds of muscle?

The average weight of the top 10 rated DE's by CBSSportsline is 273 pounds. If Allen is really playing at 270, he is fine. More weight does not necessarily a better DE make.

Nothing personal, o'course, Iowanian. That sentiment is expressed all over this board.

Mark

Disagreement is fine....so I'll express mine here.

Allen is doing a great job of pressuring the QB in his limited reps. Outstanding. Any time he's mentioned, they also say that he's undersized.

While having a speed rushing RDE is fine, I'd prefer to see him put on 10lbs of muscle(his frame will easily hold 20) to make him a better EVERY DOWN RDE instead of a spot player on pass downs.

To hold up vs the run, as a starter, it is my opinion that he'll need to get a little bigger and stronger. I don't think you'd notice a dip in his speed with 10-15lbs of Muscle(being the key word).

You watch over the next offseason, and see what the coaches say around spring training...........They'll have him on a program to do exactly that. I'll give you my avatar for a month if I'm wrong.

jspchief
10-29-2004, 02:29 PM
We have a productive player and we're going to complain about his combine numbers?

WTF did I do, wake up in some twisted alternate reality?...

I don't know about others, but I wasn't complaining. If you read my original post, I said that his strength was one of the reasons that I had low expectations for him. He's done nothing but suprise me. I doubt there are too many people in here that would have looked at those numbers and predicted the production he's had so far.

ChiefGator
10-29-2004, 03:02 PM
You watch over the next offseason, and see what the coaches say around spring training...........They'll have him on a program to do exactly that. I'll give you my avatar for a month if I'm wrong.

I know they will. DV and the coaching staff is always trying to "correct" their players' weight. I still think they are wrong to do so. JMO, o'course. I'll take the sacks playing sparingly. He may never be very good against the run, or he may be damn good already. One thing we know, at 270 he can get after the QB.

As for your avatar, I think you are just trying to get your hands on mine.. ;)

Spicy McHaggis
10-29-2004, 06:47 PM
I think a big correlation here is that between his weight and the fact that his body is described "soft". He should be able to improve his strength by simply dropping some of that body fat and toning up. Allen might add a little weight in the process but you can't deny he's going to benefit with a year in a pro teams weight program.

Chris Meck
10-29-2004, 07:07 PM
A thought to keep in mind here as well;

There's 'weight training' strength, and there's what I call 'farm boy' strength.

The weight trainer types will have huge bench press numbers, etc. The 'farm boy' types are just sort of strong all over. So their specific bench stats and the like will be lower than others, while they're not actually weaker.

Allen looks like a big ole' farm boy type to me. Adding weight training to that won't hurt and will certainly help, but I don't think he's as weak as his combine numbers would indicate.

I too think at about 280-285, (and low body fat ratio) he'll be at his best.

Chris

Nightfyre
10-29-2004, 07:18 PM
Jared Allen Scouting Report from cbssportsline

Career Notes

The most dominating pass rusher in the NCAA Division 1-AA ranks, Jared was recognized as the division's premier defensive player by becoming the first Big Sky Conference player to ever win the Buck Buchanan Award in 2003 ... The most decorated player in school history had a stellar career that saw him wreak havoc in the opposing backfield ever since he arrived on campus ... Blessed with superb athletic skills, he adds to his impressive resume with his abilities as a quality long snapper ... The son of former Minnesota Viking, Ron Allen, Jared started 33 of 41 games during his career ... The four-time All-Big Sky Conference selection finished his career with 250 tackles (112 solos), 38.5 sacks for minus 269 yards, 73 stops for losses of 338 yards, seven fumble recoveries for 57 yards in returns, including a touchdown, 13 forced fumbles, three interceptions for 38 yards in returns with a score, 26 pass deflections, a blocked kick and a 3-yard touchdown catch ... Only Josh Hayes (42, 1994-96) had more sacks in ISU history ... His 13 fumbles caused set another school career-record.
Analysis

Positives: Has a tall, rangy, athletic build with room for additional growth ... Flashes a sudden burst as a pass rusher and has the quickness to get up field and turn the offensive tackle ... Fights pressure well and will usually always find the ball ... Smart, instinctive player who won't be fooled by misdirection or play action ... Gains advantage over the slower blockers coming off the edge ... Uses his hands effectively to separate and control ... Very emotional and vocal leader who plays from snap to whistle ... Shows good hand quickness with a snap-toe average of 0.72-0.80 seconds on long snapping chores ... Has the lateral agility to string plays wide and shows the foot quickness to mirror tight ends and backs covering the pass in the short area ... Possesses above average balance and body control in his pursuit chase.

Negatives: Has a softer-than-ideal body and needs to add strength and muscle mass to his frame ... Productive pass rusher, but the level of competition was not good ... Marginal run defender who gets sealed by the tight end, reached by the offensive tackle and does not generate power when redirecting in-line ... Has poor strength at the point of attack, generally getting stuffed when playing too tall in his stance ... Usually neutralized vs. double teams and can be sealed inside by the smaller slot receiver ... Gains an edge in his pass rush, but an offensive tackle with good hand placement can yank him to the ground (gets washed out and does not use his hands with force to shed) ... Grab-and-drag down type of tackler with poor wrap-up technique ... Needs to use his hands better to prevent blockers from cutting him at his feet ... Lacks dedication to the weight room and to a good nutrition program during the off-season ... Had several off-field incidents that need further evaluation.

Injury Report



Campus Agility Tests

4.88 in the 40-yard dash ... Bench presses 225 pounds 13 times ... 1.72 10-yard dash ... 4.36 20-yard shuttle ... 33-inch vertical jump ... 32-inch arm length ... 9 3/8-inch hands ... Right-handed ... 22/30 Wonderlic score.
I think the negatives on this article are things that you learn in the nfl.
I also just wanted to say, Indy might audible to a run to his side in this game(Risk for him, but opportunity to earn a starting job, in my eyes.) Also, because indy runs from the hurry up so often, he may not see as much playtime.