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Amnorix
10-29-2004, 11:31 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/dr_z/10/29/denver.chopblock/index.html

I'll post the relevant excerpt in a reply to this thread.

Amnorix
10-29-2004, 11:33 AM
Cheap chop

Broncos' blocking technique is legal, but it's dirty and unnecessary



OK, let's get right into it. Denver and the chop blocks. Which aren't really the same as cutting. I was on a Denver radio show Thursday. That's all the, uh, hosts, wanted to talk about. Even the Denver writers were taking shots at the kind of football the Broncos practice, in the wake of RT George Foster's shot to the side of the leg of Bengals DT Tony Williams. Broken and dislocated ankle. Out for the year. Business as usual for the Broncos.


So that's what these radio guys, wanted to discuss, and I felt like quoting from that old chain-gang song, "Another man done gone." Yep, another notch on the belt. Earlier this season it was Jacksonville DE Paul Spicer. Broken leg, thanks to LT Matt Lepsis' block after he had been propped up. Out for the year. Two years ago San Diego DT Jamal Williams was lost for the season after Denver guard Steve Herndon came down on the back of his ankle and dislocated it.

The league office decided this one was illegal and Herndon was docked a game check, which came out to $17,000 and change. I seem to remember RG Dan Neil getting involved in a similar incident a few years ago, but I can't pinpoint it. What did I tell the Denver radio guys? That it was filthy football and it makes me sick. I've written this a million times.
Then they told me that Broncos coach Mike Shanahan gathered the media into the film room and showed them highlights of other similar blocks around the league. I said I thought that was just swell, but the Broncos are still the filthiest team in the NFL, and if the league's ruling forces didn't have their heads up their you know whats, something would have been done about it long ago.

So they mumbled some other stuff about Foster's block being technically legal because it didn't draw a flag, and a lot more blah blah, and the Flaming Redhead could see my look of gathering fury, and she said, "Don't say it. Choke it down," which I did because to have let fly with the collection of profanities that was gathering would've meant I'd never be invited back to the show, or similar ones, at the usual honorarium rate of zero.

The e-mails Jimmy sent through ... no, that's not a typo ... Jimmy is back from his brief stint on the crocodile wrestling circuit, while Andrew recovers from a case of swollen eyeballs, having to wade through the thousands of e-mails per week ... anyway the four that he sent through on the topic come from Hans of Washington, Brandon of Norfolk, Va., Alistair of Oakville, Ont., and Jon of Irving, Texas. Fellas, hold on, I'm not finished with this thing yet.

I would advise you gentlemen, and anyone else who cares, to send your opinions to the NFL Office, addressed to the Commissioner Tagliabue or Joe Browne, the VP of Communications, or Mike Pereira, the Director of Officials. They're all at the league office, and you can find contact information here (http://www.nfl.com/help). If you want to get even more serious about this, you could write to Rich McKay, the GM of the Atlanta Falcons, who's the Chairman of the Competition Committee, but it wouldn't exactly be fair to do it while the season is going on. Better wait until afterward.

They keep modifying the chop-block rules by itty-bitty steps, and I'm sure that each referee has his own way of calling it, but the bottom line is, players are getting crippled by what is technically legal. Or if the block is deemed illegal, then the penalty isn't stiff enough, considering that a player was totaled for the season, and his career threatened. I've been Johnny One Note at the Competition Committee press briefings for years. "Simple rule, no cutting unless you're face up...simple rule, no cutting unless you're face up..." And Tex Schramm, the Committee's co-chairman used to groan and say, "There he goes again...is there a parrot loose in the room?" And Don Shula, the other co-chairman, pulled me aside after one of the sessions and said, "What do you want to do, get all our quarterbacks killed? We've got to slow those guys down." "Simple rule," I answered, "no cutting unless you're face up...simple rule, no cutting unless you're face up."

The league wants to help the offense, which crippling the pass rushers certainly accomplishes. But it's also into image, and the image of all these guys getting broken legs via Denver's patented "bastard block" (which was what we used to call it), isn't very attractive. You can believe that it is image, not the desire to promote player safety, that might get this thing dealt with correctly.

BIG_DADDY
10-29-2004, 11:37 AM
Fvck the Donx those cheap bastards. If I was a lineman I would have no problem going after their knees on a regular basis or spiking their QB.

KCWolfman
10-29-2004, 11:43 AM
If made illegal, I would like to see a rule that if a guy is injured, the offender should have to pay a portion of his salary instead of a measly 17K fine.

BigChiefFan
10-29-2004, 11:45 AM
Damn, it's good to see that some are still on Denver's asses about quitting the cheap-ass plays.

jspchief
10-29-2004, 11:53 AM
Haven't you guys read the official Donkey response yet? "It's legal so there's nothing wrong with it."


It's so frustrating that only the Donkeys and their fans can figure this out, while the NFL players, football fans, and the national media are too stupid to get it. Obviously 99% of the world is wrong on this one.

BIG_DADDY
10-29-2004, 11:55 AM
If made illegal, I would like to see a rule that if a guy is injured, the offender should have to pay a portion of his salary instead of a measly 17K fine.

Pay half his salary for as long as he is out and that includes career ending injuries.

KCWolfman
10-29-2004, 11:57 AM
Pay half his salary for as long as he is out and that includes career ending injuries.
I am all for it.

Bob Dole
10-29-2004, 12:06 PM
Pay half his salary for as long as he is out and that includes career ending injuries.

Half hell. Let him foot the entire bill and apply it to the offending team's cap.

Rain Man
10-29-2004, 12:15 PM
I've often thought that if a player is injured by another player who committed a penalty to cause the injury, the offending player should be suspended for the same amount of time that the injured player is out, even if it's career-ending.

And yes, I know that technically this may not have been illegal as a block, but it should have been a penalty for unnecessary roughness and/or unsportsmanlike conduct.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 12:40 PM
How long are you going to cry like little girls about this?

I've been saying this all week...

would advise you gentlemen, and anyone else who cares, to send your opinions to the NFL Office, addressed to the Commissioner Tagliabue or Joe Browne, the VP of Communications, or Mike Pereira, the Director of Officials. They're all at the league office, and you can find contact information here (http://www.nfl.com/help). If you want to get even more serious about this, you could write to Rich McKay, the GM of the Atlanta Falcons, who's the Chairman of the Competition Committee, but it wouldn't exactly be fair to do it while the season is going on. Better wait until afterward.

Gaz
10-29-2004, 12:43 PM
I’ve been saying this a lot longer than a week…

“…the Broncos are still the filthiest team in the NFL…”

xoxo~
Gaz
Surprised that any fan can would defend the Broncos dirty play.

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 12:52 PM
Half hell. Let him foot the entire bill and apply it to the offending team's cap.

Oh, yeah....like that would have any impact on the broncos.

Braincase
10-29-2004, 12:54 PM
How long are you going to cry like little girls about this?

Until you guys quit cheating and play fair. Everybody in the league knows you cheat and play dirty. You might want to use a little Brasso to take the tarnish off those trophies you hold so dear.

broncoholic
10-29-2004, 12:58 PM
When did cut-blocking become dirty?
REALLY?
It's been a while, but I used to play on the O-line, and we were taught to cut-block. I myself was very good at it. There's nothing cheap or "dirty" about it. It's a technique!
I also played on D-line, and I NEVER rememer having any problem with it. When you play football, you have to PROTECT yourself at ALL times.

What next is Tackling going to be called dirty, maybe defendive players should simply "herd" the ball carrier out of bounds.

jspchief
10-29-2004, 12:58 PM
How long are you going to cry like little girls about this?

I've been saying this all week...

would advise you gentlemen, and anyone else who cares, to send your opinions to the NFL Office, addressed to the Commissioner Tagliabue or Joe Browne, the VP of Communications, or Mike Pereira, the Director of Officials. They're all at the league office, and you can find contact information here (http://www.nfl.com/help). If you want to get even more serious about this, you could write to Rich McKay, the GM of the Atlanta Falcons, who's the Chairman of the Competition Committee, but it wouldn't exactly be fair to do it while the season is going on. Better wait until afterward.

If it bothers you so f*cking much, don't hang around a Chiefs board. You want to delude yourself and justify cheap play? Fine. Go do it on your own board where you can stroke each others homerism with crisco and cheap shots.

Is it frustrating that the entire modern world has been conned into thinking your legal play is dirty?

bogie
10-29-2004, 01:00 PM
It's a huge black eye on the Donkeys. Until they clean up their act we and the media should never stop talking about it. Denver fans should be yelling the loudest because when the media discusses Denver, this is at the top of the topic list. I'm sure it must be embarrassing right now to be a Bronco fan.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:00 PM
Until you guys quit cheating and play fair. Everybody in the league knows you cheat and play dirty. You might want to use a little Brasso to take the tarnish off those trophies you hold so dear.


Actually they've never been claened from the night they were won...kind of cool...because they still have the finger prints still on them.

We didn't cheat. It's football...it's a rough game and not for the weak at heart. The Chiefs and every other name has dirty players. So it makes me laugh the 15 threads and 4 days later I'm still seeing all this crying.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:01 PM
If it bothers you so f*cking much, don't hang around a Chiefs board. You want to delude yourself and justify cheap play? Fine. Go do it on your own board where you can stroke each others homerism with crisco and cheap shots.

Is it frustrating that the entire modern world has been conned into thinking your legal play is dirty?

It's not against the rule little guy, ergo it ain't cheating..take it up with the league if it bothers you so much.

Rain Man
10-29-2004, 01:03 PM
We should give garcia a break. It must be tough to have the entire nation constantly riding your favorite team about cheap shots, salary cap cheating, draft tampering, losing draft picks as punishment, oil-smeared jerseys, dirty play, and other things.

Tell me again why they're your favorite team, garcia?

FAX
10-29-2004, 01:04 PM
How long are you going to cry like little girls about this?

Mr. Garcia Bronco. With all due respect, I cannot help but take exception to the above remark.

I have seen a significant number of both past and present NFL players speak out against the practice in question over the last week. Are you saying that these players are "little girls"? Is it your intention to imply that when individuals see a wrong that speaking out in a desire to right that wrong is "crying"?

Clearly Denver players (and others as well) are taught cut and chop blocking skills with the full and prior knowledge of the dangers associated with the technique. Unquestionably, the NFL should put an end to the practice as quickly as possible and petitioning the NFL is a proper approach. However, this is an issue which (in no small measure) is of the Bronco's own making and, therefore, criticism of the Bronco system, coaching staff, and personnel is also proper and more than appropriate in this case.

May the muse of putrid running sores take up permanent residence in the lavatories of all who defend blind-side cut blocking.

Best,

FAX

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:06 PM
Garcia: Cmon now, it wasnt long ago, the shoe was on the other foot...I can remember all the sandgina the bronco fans had about that one Dale Carter block...and that was only one time.

This is a repeated pattern and Foster's 'block' was totally away from the play. Im shocked, frankly, that he didnt get fined, there was no reason to be blocking at that point as Plummer was 10 yards from the line and most of the linemen had stopped engaging at that point.

Tuckdaddy
10-29-2004, 01:07 PM
I can't say every player is dirty but there is a pattern of injuries to back up their filthy reputation. Looking at the replay in the Bengals game how can anyone seriously see that and call it "Fair play?" It was a low down POS block that cost the Bengals thier player for this season.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:21 PM
Mr. Garcia Bronco. With all due respect, I cannot help but take exception to the above remark.

I have seen a significant number of both past and present NFL players speak out against the practice in question over the last week. Are you saying that these players are "little girls"? Is it your intention to imply that when individuals see a wrong that speaking out in a desire to right that wrong is "crying"?

Clearly Denver players (and others as well) are taught cut and chop blocking skills with the full and prior knowledge of the dangers associated with the technique. Unquestionably, the NFL should put an end to the practice as quickly as possible and petitioning the NFL is a proper approach. However, this is an issue which (in no small measure) is of the Bronco's own making and, therefore, criticism of the Bronco system, coaching staff, and personnel is also proper and more than appropriate in this case.

May the muse of putrid running sores take up permanent residence in the lavatories of all who defend blind-side cut blocking.

Best,

FAX

I would say that a majority of the remarks I've read around the NFL are from people that do it or coach it. The reason it comes off as crying is there is a new thread about it here every day. The truth is no one cares about our o-line except when we lead the league in rushing. Chop blocking and cut blocking are two different things....first one being legal and the other not being legal. It seems that people don't seem to know the difference...ergo they're ignorant. Sure Foster made a bad decision..and he feels bad about the guy breaking his leg.....since he's new...I'm going to fuggin cut him some slack. And I'm going to defend him.

The Denver O-line uses cut blocking on the backside to open up cut-back lanes. It's designed to put bigger fat guys on the ground. And it works..and it's legal. So all I'm saying is if there is such an outrage...write the NFL.

bogie
10-29-2004, 01:33 PM
I would say that a majority of the remarks I've read around the NFL are from people that do it or coach it. The reason it comes off as crying is there is a new thread about it here every day. The truth is no one cares about our o-line except when we lead the league in rushing. Chop blocking and cut blocking are two different things....first one being legal and the other not being legal. It seems that people don't seem to know the difference...ergo they're ignorant. Sure Foster made a bad decision..and he feels bad about the guy breaking his leg.....since he's new...I'm going to fuggin cut him some slack. And I'm going to defend him.

The Denver O-line uses cut blocking on the backside to open up cut-back lanes. It's designed to put bigger fat guys on the ground. And it works..and it's legal. So all I'm saying is if there is such an outrage...write the NFL.

You're defending him? Do you think the NFL should make this illegal? For defending this guy, you should be ashamed of yourself as well as your team.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:36 PM
Garcia: Cmon now, it wasnt long ago, the shoe was on the other foot...I can remember all the sandgina the bronco fans had about that one Dale Carter block...and that was only one time.

This is a repeated pattern and Foster's 'block' was totally away from the play. Im shocked, frankly, that he didnt get fined, there was no reason to be blocking at that point as Plummer was 10 yards from the line and most of the linemen had stopped engaging at that point.

You can't ask him to make that judgement is a split second on the field. His job is to put that man on the ground. And that's what he did. It's easy for us to sit back and watch it at 1/10th the speed and beat the guy up about it...but come on. It was bad set of circumstances that the guy's ankle broke, but it the NFL that allows cut-block...which all teams use...even the Chiefs. You know me....we've broke bread together....I think you'll agree that I don't come here to troll around but lay down friendly smack. It's tough game and these sorts of things happen.

cdcox
10-29-2004, 01:37 PM
I would say that a majority of the remarks I've read around the NFL are from people that do it or coach it. The reason it comes off as crying is there is a new thread about it here every day. The truth is no one cares about our o-line except when we lead the league in rushing. Chop blocking and cut blocking are two different things....first one being legal and the other not being legal. It seems that people don't seem to know the difference...ergo they're ignorant. Sure Foster made a bad decision..and he feels bad about the guy breaking his leg.....since he's new...I'm going to fuggin cut him some slack. And I'm going to defend him.

The Denver O-line uses cut blocking on the backside to open up cut-back lanes. It's designed to put bigger fat guys on the ground. And it works..and it's legal. So all I'm saying is if there is such an outrage...write the NFL.

Man, you Bronco* fans are delusional. You may want to check again who is leading the NFL in team rushing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamrush&sort=ypg&pos=off&league=afc&year=2004&season=2


*Violated salary cap during their championship season.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:39 PM
You're defending him? Do you think the NFL should make this illegal? For defending this guy, you should be ashamed of yourself as well as your team.

Well that's a very good question...should the NFL make it illegal...perhaps...I don't know the full implications that making a cut-block illegal would bring to the NFL game. Do you?


As far as me being ashamed...I don't think so...the only thing that I'm ashamed of is the lack of intelligent discussion on the issue.

ZepSinger
10-29-2004, 01:40 PM
So all I'm saying is if there is such an outrage...write the NFL.

Thanks for the info- I think I will.

And have fun defending the most unethical team in the NFL. Notice I didn't say cheatingest, or dirtiest, or most illegal. Unethical. Deny that if you will.

Z

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:40 PM
Man, you Bronco* fans are delusional. You may want to check again who is leading the NFL in team rushing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamrush&sort=ypg&pos=off&league=afc&year=2004&season=2


*Violated salary cap during their championship season.

Check from last week and get back to me, Cox.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2004, 01:42 PM
Thanks for the info- I think I will.

And have fun defending the most unethical team in the NFL. Notice I didn't say cheatingest, or dirtiest, or most illegal. Unethical. Deny that if you will.

Z

Unethical how? On the field? In the front office?

Let's ask Larry Johnson if he thinks the Chiefs are ethical. It's subjective.

KCTitus
10-29-2004, 01:44 PM
You can't ask him to make that judgement is a split second on the field. His job is to put that man on the ground. And that's what he did. It's easy for us to sit back and watch it at 1/10th the speed and beat the guy up about it...but come on. It was bad set of circumstances that the guy's ankle broke, but it the NFL that allows cut-block...which all teams use...even the Chiefs. You know me....we've broke bread together....I think you'll agree that I don't come here to troll around but lay down friendly smack. It's tough game and these sorts of things happen.

It wasnt a split second...Foster had disengaged his blocker turned to the defender that was standing there not blocking anyone much like the rest of the line and dove on his ankle. Both of the lines with the exception of Foster were not doing anything because the play was already 10 yards away. It was at least 4-5 seconds after the nap.

All Im sayin' is that it was unneccessary...we can agree to disagree and yes, you're not a troll.

BTW, how come I didnt hear from you on hooking up for Week 1?

jspchief
10-29-2004, 01:45 PM
I would say that a majority of the remarks I've read around the NFL are from people that do it or coach it. The reason it comes off as crying is there is a new thread about it here every day.
Like I said, don't read them or go to your own f*cking board if it bothers you so much. I suppose you're also pissed that we don't have any threads comparing Griffumblin to Barry Sanders. WTF do you expect on a non-Bronco board? I'm tired of all the Donkey fans crying about our threads pointing out Donkey cheap shots, should I go post about it on the Mange?

The truth is no one cares about our o-line except when we lead the league in rushing.

KC leads the league in rushing with 161.7 yards per game. So how do you explain us "caring".


Chop blocking and cut blocking are two different things....first one being legal and the other not being legal. It seems that people don't seem to know the difference...ergo they're ignorant. Sure Foster made a bad decision..and he feels bad about the guy breaking his leg.....since he's new...I'm going to fuggin cut him some slack. And I'm going to defend him.
Translation: "I'll ignore that it's a cheap shot and dirty since it's legal. I can openly admit that he shouldn't have done it, yet I still can't face reality and admit it was cheap. Since he plays for my team which has a tradition for cheap shots, and I'm a blind Homer, I'll defend his dirty play along with the dirty play of all the other Donkeys, while ignoring what the rest of the sane world has recognized"

You might try to also close your eyes and cover your ears...a first grader told me it would work well with all of your "Lalalalala I can't hear you lalalala"

Braincase
10-29-2004, 01:47 PM
Actually they've never been claened from the night they were won...kind of cool...because they still have the finger prints still on them.

We didn't cheat. It's football...it's a rough game and not for the weak at heart. The Chiefs and every other name has dirty players. So it makes me laugh the 15 threads and 4 days later I'm still seeing all this crying.

Schlereth has admitted to cheating. The league has penalized you for cheating. How the **** can you say you weren't cheating? Every team has dirty players, but for the Broncos it's institutionalized. Your coaches teach it, your players implement it, and then the Bronco fans either laugh about it or ignore it.

You have no honor. You should fall on your sword.

FAX
10-29-2004, 01:47 PM
I would say that a majority of the remarks I've read around the NFL are from people that do it or coach it. The reason it comes off as crying is there is a new thread about it here every day. The truth is no one cares about our o-line except when we lead the league in rushing. Chop blocking and cut blocking are two different things....first one being legal and the other not being legal. It seems that people don't seem to know the difference...ergo they're ignorant. Sure Foster made a bad decision..and he feels bad about the guy breaking his leg.....since he's new...I'm going to fuggin cut him some slack. And I'm going to defend him.

The Denver O-line uses cut blocking on the backside to open up cut-back lanes. It's designed to put bigger fat guys on the ground. And it works..and it's legal. So all I'm saying is if there is such an outrage...write the NFL.

Mr. Garcia Bronco. Allow me to express my admiration for your allegiance to your team. Such faithful support deserves respect.

I can also understand your perspective regarding the number of threads on this topic. Certainly, it must be wearisome for you to be exposed to such outrage and disdain.

Perhaps, then, you can empathize with the weariness someone such as myself must feel after watching the Broncos linemen consistently and purposefully use tactics that are known and proven to lead to serious injury to opposing players with full knowlege of the possible outcome and to have those tactics defended.

History is replete with cases in which the public says, "enough is enough" and behavior that was previously acceptable, borderline, or "legal" is no longer condoned. Perhaps we are experiencing such a moment now?

May the muse of itching groins befriend all who deflect responsibility.

Best,


FAX

Braincase
10-29-2004, 01:48 PM
Check from last week and get back to me, Cox.

Hey, didja notice we had a bye week, Einstein?

cdcox
10-29-2004, 01:52 PM
Check from last week and get back to me, Cox.

No one was complaining about your blocking last week when you did lead. So it has nothing to do with whether you were leading the league or not, nothing to do with if it is legal. What everyone is complaining about is the fact that it was a blind-side block, the player was not expecting it. A block higher up on his body would have been just as effective. There is no denying that a blind-side shoulder from a 300 lb man to the lower leg is very likely to cause a leg injury.

Rain Man
10-29-2004, 01:59 PM
Run, garcia, run! You're outnumbered and outgunned! Retreat is your only chance!

ZepSinger
10-29-2004, 02:06 PM
"I'll ignore that it's a cheap shot and dirty since it's legal. I can openly admit that he shouldn't have done it, yet I still can't face reality and admit it was cheap. Since he plays for my team which has a tradition for cheap shots, and I'm a blind Homer, I'll defend his dirty play along with the dirty play of all the other Donkeys, while ignoring what the rest of the sane world has recognized"

-- The Mission Statement of Denver fans everywhere

Rep.

:clap:

philfree
10-29-2004, 02:09 PM
The block sunday was below the knee. Why can't the rule be that cutting is legal as long as the blocker keeps his head and shoulders above the knees? Is it really that hard?

PhilFree :arrow:

Mile High Mania
10-29-2004, 02:23 PM
Schlereth has admitted to cheating. The league has penalized you for cheating. How the **** can you say you weren't cheating? Every team has dirty players, but for the Broncos it's institutionalized. Your coaches teach it, your players implement it, and then the Bronco fans either laugh about it or ignore it.

You have no honor. You should fall on your sword.

I don't know what you are quoting from, but if it was the same NFL piece that I saw on ESPN, he didn't admit to cheating. He admitted to being coached to "always put your man on the ground". I don't recall him saying "yes we cheated". Then again, you might have heard something different on radio. Who knows?

Mile High Mania
10-29-2004, 02:24 PM
The block sunday was below the knee. Why can't the rule be that cutting is legal as long as the blocker keeps his head and shoulders above the knees? Is it really that hard?

PhilFree :arrow:

Agreed ... Schlereth was even saying as much on ESPN.

Cormac
10-29-2004, 02:26 PM
God, I love this kind of stance.

What next is Tackling going to be called dirty, maybe defendive players should simply "herd" the ball carrier out of bounds.

I suppose we're all pu$$ies if we think it's dirty. :rolleyes:

I also played on D-line, and I NEVER rememer having any problem with it. When you play football, you have to PROTECT yourself at ALL times.

So now, it's not dirty because the opposing player should be ready for it??? :rolleyes: Yeah, I'm sure Tony Williams needs you to tell him that he needs to protect himself at all times. If only you were coaching him he would still be playing. Damn, that sucks for him.

KCHawg
10-29-2004, 02:39 PM
2004 Regular Season NFL · AFC · NFC Team Sortables - DefensePassingRushingReceivingScoringPuntingKickoffsReturnsField GoalsTotal DefenseTurnovers


Total Defense - Total Yards/Game
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen PenYds TOP TF L
Washington 6 344 234.2 4.1 12.8 19 81 23.5 0 4 0 39 318 28:21 8 3
Denver 7 367 238.6 4.6 12.1 26 88 29.5 0 2 0 61 547 26:39 8 3


Looks like maybe there is cheating - yds penalized!

Boardin Bronco
10-29-2004, 03:51 PM
I just briefly watched two of my Bronco games on VHS and the cut block criticism has been blown completely out of proportion. I watched three different touchdown drives concentrating solely on the play of the offensive line:

#1 vs. San Diego: 1st quarter, 6 plays 72 yards, Plummer 16 pass to Rod Smith

I DID NOT SEE ONE CUT BLOCK ON THIS DRIVE!

#2 at Oakland: 2nd quarter, 7 plays 80 yards, Plummer 10 pass to Carswell

I DID NOT SEE ONE CUT BLOCK ON THIS DRIVE!

#3 at Oakland: 2nd quarter, 6 plays 53 yards, Plummer 31 pass to Lelie

I DID NOT SEE ONE CUT BLOCK ON THIS DRIVE!

I know, I know its a very small sample size but this weekend when I have some time, I am going to through my Bronco game tapes and chart down every play and count how many cut blocks I see. I admit, my team uses cut blocks on the backside of running plays and playaction passes. They probably use them on 25-30% of their total running plays but its not the primary reason they are a successful running team. I just showed you three drives where they were able to move the ball without cutting anybody.

You forget the main reason they are so successful is because they are athletic, mobile and they have the endurance to outlast and outplay the heavy, fat tub of lards in this league.

FAX
10-29-2004, 04:20 PM
Mr. Boardin Bronco, please allow me the honor of respectfully disagreeing with your logic. To wit:

I drove home Monday.

I DID NOT SEE ONE FELONIOUS ASSAULT ON THIS DRIVE!

I drove home Tuesday.

I DID NOT SEE ONE FELONIOUS ASSAULT ON THIS DRIVE!

I drove home Wednesday.

I DID NOT SEE ONE FELONIOUS ASSAULT ON THIS DRIVE!

Are you saying that the absence of evidence is both proof and lack thereof? Or, are you suggesting that if I see a felonious assault on fewer than 25% of my drives, I should revel in the joy that I was spared the experience the other 75% of the time?

Best,

FAX

Braincase
10-29-2004, 04:58 PM
I don't know what you are quoting from, but if it was the same NFL piece that I saw on ESPN, he didn't admit to cheating. He admitted to being coached to "always put your man on the ground". I don't recall him saying "yes we cheated". Then again, you might have heard something different on radio. Who knows?

I heard him admit to using Vaseline on his jersey. He's proud of it. He cheated. It was on 610 last fall. So, to answer your question, I know.