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Deberg_1990
11-02-2004, 08:33 PM
Sorry guys..it blows. Its waaay outdated and forces the canidates to only focus on "key" states and ignore 80% of the country. Im sick of only hearing about Ohio/Florida/Pennsylvania

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:34 PM
If there is no electoral college, the focus will be on California and New York.

If the EC is outdated, then the Senate is outdated as well. After all, it doesn't give true representation according to population.

siberian khatru
11-02-2004, 08:36 PM
Sorry, I'm a big fan of the EC. It's flawed ,but it's the best thing we got. I've long thought it's one of the most brilliant strokes of the founding fathers.

Deberg_1990
11-02-2004, 08:37 PM
If there is no electoral college, the focus will be on California and New York.

If the EC is outdated, then the Senate is outdated as well. After all, it doesn't give true representation according to population.

But what if im a huge Kerry supporter living in Texas, its like my vote doesnt even matter....vice versa a Huge Bush supporter living in New England somewhere...I think this encourages thousands to stay away from the polls by default

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:38 PM
But what if im a huge Kerry supporter living in Texas, its like my vote doesnt even matter....vice versa a Huge Bush supporter living in New England somewhere...I think this encourages thousands to stay away from the polls by default
If I am a huge ANYONE supporter in the Midwest, my vote will NEVER count if there is no EC. The only places that will matter will be CHI, LA, SFO, and NY

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2004, 08:39 PM
As much I hate to admit it I agree with Deberg.

Deberg_1990
11-02-2004, 08:40 PM
If I am a huge ANYONE supporter in the Midwest, my vote will NEVER count if there is no EC. The only places that will matter will be CHI, LA, SFO, and NY

I just dont get that argument?? At least your vote has a direct reflection on the vote count....

ChiefFripp
11-02-2004, 08:40 PM
I love the electorial college...tonight anyways!!

Go Kerry!

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2004, 08:41 PM
The EV's just need to be cast by district...not by state. It makes sense...it needs to be done. It a better representation.

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:42 PM
I just dont get that argument?? At least your vote has a direct reflection on the vote count....
How many people live in the cities I mentioned versus the entire midwest? The EC makes sure that smaller states and smaller populations still have a voice.

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:42 PM
The EV's just need to be cast by district...not by state. It makes sense...it needs to be done. It a better representation.
Sure, because no one would ever gerrymander the districts to their advantage.

Bowser
11-02-2004, 08:42 PM
It doesn't need to go, but it does need to be overhauled..................

Deberg_1990
11-02-2004, 08:44 PM
It doesn't need to go, but it does need to be overhauled..................

BINGO! Get rid of Winner takes all...that sucks.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2004, 08:44 PM
Sure, because no one would ever gerrymander the districts to their advantage.

gerrymander...alright brother...you're going to have splain that one to me.

listopencil
11-02-2004, 08:47 PM
If I am a huge ANYONE supporter in the Midwest, my vote will NEVER count if there is no EC. The only places that will matter will be CHI, LA, SFO, and NY



No matter what the group you are part of, you can view your vote as not counting if the large majority disagrees with you. A direct election based on the popular vote is the only way that you can get as close as possible to avoiding feelings of disenfranchisement, but that would just guarantee that candidates spend most of their time in high population areas. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Demonpenz
11-02-2004, 08:48 PM
i don't really care what they have to do, but they have to stop this president from world take over

Logical
11-02-2004, 08:48 PM
gerrymander...alright brother...you're going to have splain that one to me.State legislature draws up district lines. The dominant party draws up the lines to give maximum population distribution in each district to their party. That is gerrymandering.

ENDelt260
11-02-2004, 08:48 PM
gerrymander...alright brother...you're going to have splain that one to me.
Do you have a child in seventh grade? I'm pretty sure there's a cartoon in their civics book that explains it.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2004, 08:49 PM
gerrymander...alright brother...you're going to have splain that one to me.Put simply, gerrymandering is aligning the design of districts for your political benefit.

I think proportional EC (based on the popular vote in each state, rather than districts) would be the best way to go. National popular vote is a bad idea, simply because it allows two or three cities to completely dictate the president to the rest of the country.

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:49 PM
gerrymander...alright brother...you're going to have splain that one to me.
You really don't know?

The rearrangement of voting districts so as to favor the party in power.

Elbridge Gerry was the governor of Massachusetts at the turn of the 19th century. He realigned districts to favor his party. The result looked like a large lizard running and encompassing his districts and solidifying his position. A political cartoon was drawn of the lizard shape and called a Gerrymander.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2004, 08:50 PM
<img src="http://www.cba.nau.edu/facstaff/norman-s/GerrymanderCartoon2.jpg" style="width: 507px; height: 614px; border: 0" alt="" />

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:50 PM
i don't really care what they have to do, but they have to stop this president from world take over
Why, I would love to own Sri Lanka.

listopencil
11-02-2004, 08:51 PM
Do you have a child in seventh grade? I'm pretty sure there's a cartoon in their civics book that explains it.


I think I remember that cartoon, did it look like a big funky bird? I'm going to have to google it.

Bowser
11-02-2004, 08:51 PM
Why, I would love to own Sri Lanka.

You need to talk to the three freed Kryptonians about that, or Australia for that matter.

ENDelt260
11-02-2004, 08:52 PM
I think I remember that cartoon, did it look like a big funky bird? I'm going to have to google it.
Looks like Psi did the legwork for ya.

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:52 PM
You need to talk to the three freed Kryptonians about that, or Australia for that matter.
I have the secret of the forbidden zone... my wife plainly pointed it out.

Bowser
11-02-2004, 08:53 PM
I have the secret of the forbidden zone... my wife plainly pointed it out.

Ehh, I laughed.

:)

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2004, 08:54 PM
State legislature draws up district lines. The dominant party draws up the lines to give maximum population distribution in each district to their party. That is gerrymandering.


Hmmm...I see. But don't they argue about that anyway?

KCWolfman
11-02-2004, 08:55 PM
Hmmm...I see. But don't they argue about that anyway?
You mean doesn't the party in power get its way and redistrict as they always outvote the weaker party? Yes, that is what happens.


The SC tried to rule on it several years ago, but to no real avail or change.

listopencil
11-02-2004, 08:56 PM
Looks like Psi did the legwork for ya.


Yep, that's got to be the pic that popped into my head.

cdcox
11-02-2004, 08:59 PM
BINGO! Get rid of Winner takes all...that sucks.

Sure, if you want candidates to base their stances in order to appeal to all the single issue voters. Special interests would rule the day.