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Donger
11-03-2004, 08:50 AM
How do you guys view Kerry's decision not to concede yet?

Like it?

Dislike it?

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2004, 08:51 AM
You gotta ask? :)

Same way we'd feel if we'd been kicked in the nuts by over 3,000.000 voters last night.... :p

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 08:51 AM
How do you guys view Kerry's decision not to concede yet?

Like it?

Dislike it?

Get it over with...

and start holding the Cons feet to the fire. They have NO ONE TO BLAME, NO EXCUSES, NO OBSTACLES to success OR failure.

Donger
11-03-2004, 08:52 AM
Get it over with...

and start holding the Cons feet to the fire. They have NO ONE TO BLAME, NO EXCUSES, NO OBSTACLES to success OR failure.

You think he should concede?

KC Jones
11-03-2004, 08:59 AM
He should concede

Joe Seahawk
11-03-2004, 09:01 AM
He looks like a fool for not conceding..

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 09:04 AM
You think he should concede?

Yes. I think it would go a long way to help the Dems in 08.

unlurking
11-03-2004, 09:05 AM
But if he DOES concede, then poor little CourtTV will have to come up with a new winter schedule!

;)

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 09:11 AM
He looks like a fool for not conceding..Republican Party Chairman Marc Racicot said the president put it (claiming victory) off temporarily as a courtesy to Kerry, "to allow the opportunity to look at the situation in the cold hard light of day."

Looks to be OK with the BushCo Boyz.... ain't no biggie. Although I can understand why the Republican Hordes are still shooting at Kerry - gotta get in the last few victory jabs before he fades into the background. This concession thingie provides for some easy target practice, but it don't mean much. The Dems will run through the numbers to see if anything is salvagable, and then quit. Ain't no big thang.

Frankie
11-03-2004, 09:18 AM
I've always been a Kerry admirer and never denied it. In fact my attention to him goes back to when he was first elected senator. So, I am obviously bummed. I had the same feeling when Dem's picked McGovern over Humphrey in '72. In both cases, I honestly feel America has been denied a true statesman for President.

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2004, 09:28 AM
I've always been a Kerry admirer and never denied it. In fact my attention to him goes back to when he was first elected senator. So, I am obviously bummed. I had the same feeling when Dem's picked McGovern over Humphrey in '72. In both cases, I honestly feel America has been denied a true statesman for President.

Socialist statesmen are STILL socialists...I'm sure you disagree, but that's precisely why an arrogant elitist North Eastern tax and spend liberal couldn't get any significant number of votes in the "Red" states.

Bottom-line is Bush had some appeal to some folks in the "Blue" states; Kerry had next to NO appeal in the "Red" states. The electoral vote may technically be in limbo, but make no mistake....50%+ of votes, a 3,000,000 + vote win (in today's polarized America) will be pretty impressive, in retrospect.

ROYC75
11-03-2004, 09:31 AM
Probally an Empty gut feeling ?

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 09:34 AM
Dissapointed, mainly in this country, but right now I think Kerry should concede.

Donger
11-03-2004, 09:35 AM
Dissapointed, mainly in this country, but right now I think Kerry should concede.

Why do you feel disappointed in our country?

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 09:36 AM
Why do you feel disappointed in our country?
The obvious, of course. Bush is our president for the next 4 years.

Donger
11-03-2004, 09:40 AM
The obvious, of course. Bush is our president for the next 4 years.

Sorry, that's just plain weird to me. I wouldn't be disappointed in my country if we'd elected Kerry.

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 09:42 AM
Sorry, that's just plain weird to me. I wouldn't be disappointed in my country if we'd elected Kerry.

That's because you're not inclined to believe that the "common folk" are idiots and sheeple...

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 09:43 AM
Sorry, that's just plain weird to me. I wouldn't be disappointed in my country if we'd elected Kerry.
It does sound sort of weird..perhaps, dissapointed that more people didn't vote for my man, and did not see past the lies and misdirection of our current president. But, i'll live with it. I've never voted before, so this is a feeling that is very new to me.

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 09:44 AM
That's because you're not inclined to believe that the "common folk" are idiots and sheeple...
I wouldn't go that far.

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 09:47 AM
I wouldn't go that far.

Then you need to be more careful about what you say. Because it was certainly insinuated.

Chiefnj
11-03-2004, 09:48 AM
I'm more of an Anti-Bush than a Kerry supporter, but this is how I feel about the election. First, congratulations to Bush. Second, I'm not sure who is dumber, the idiots who voted for Bush or the entire Kerry campaign who couldn't formulate an effective plan to beat an imbecile like Bush. Third, the hell with Edwards who couldn't even carry his own State. Fourth, I don't expect Kerry to concede until every last avenue has been exhausted, nor would I want him to. I would like to think that the guy I voted for for President wouldn't back down so easily.

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2004, 09:51 AM
I'm more of an Anti-Bush than a Kerry supporter, but this is how I feel about the election. First, congratulations to Bush. Second, I'm not sure who is dumber, the idiots who voted for Bush or the entire Kerry campaign who couldn't formulate an effective plan to beat an imbecile like Bush. Third, the hell with Edwards who couldn't even carry his own State. Fourth, I don't expect Kerry to concede until every last avenue has been exhausted, nor would I want him to. I would like to think that the guy I voted for for President wouldn't back down so easily.

Vitriolic hatred of your opponent coupled with irrational ideological zeal is a pathetic way to live.

Donger
11-03-2004, 09:51 AM
I'm more of an Anti-Bush than a Kerry supporter, but this is how I feel about the election. First, congratulations to Bush. Second, I'm not sure who is dumber, the idiots who voted for Bush or the entire Kerry campaign who couldn't formulate an effective plan to beat an imbecile like Bush. Third, the hell with Edwards who couldn't even carry his own State. Fourth, I don't expect Kerry to concede until every last avenue has been exhausted, nor would I want him to. I would like to think that the guy I voted for for President wouldn't back down so easily.

So, in a few words: bitter, angry, arrogant and condescending.

Thanks!

Radar Chief
11-03-2004, 09:52 AM
Vitriolic hatred of your opponent coupled with irrational ideological zeal is a pathetic way to live.

And precisely what lost them this election, at least IMO.

Bwana
11-03-2004, 09:52 AM
I'm more of an Anti-Bush than a Kerry supporter, but this is how I feel about the election. First, congratulations to Bush. Second, I'm not sure who is dumber, the idiots who voted for Bush or the entire Kerry campaign who couldn't formulate an effective plan to beat an imbecile like Bush. Third, the hell with Edwards who couldn't even carry his own State. Fourth, I don't expect Kerry to concede until every last avenue has been exhausted, nor would I want him to. I would like to think that the guy I voted for for President wouldn't back down so easily.

Lots of "idiots" out there isn't there? :rolleyes:

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 09:53 AM
Dissapointed, mainly in this country, but right now I think Kerry should concede.


I understand this...

I'm not disappointed as far as the American people who will deserve whatever comes of a second term. But does the rest of the world????

Bwana
11-03-2004, 09:55 AM
I understand this...

I'm not disappointed as far as the American people who will deserve whatever comes of a second term. But does the rest of the world????

Yeah, damn the American public!

Radar Chief
11-03-2004, 09:55 AM
I understand this...

I'm not disappointed as far as the American people who will deserve whatever comes of a second term. But does the rest of the world????

So, in a few words: bitter, angry, arrogant and condescending.

Thanks!

It applies all around, donít it.

Donger
11-03-2004, 09:55 AM
But does the rest of the world????

Oh, I'm sure the French are weeping today.

Probably stink too.

the Talking Can
11-03-2004, 09:56 AM
Looks pretty likely Bush won...but I don't have a problem with them actually counting all the votes.

Why would anybody?

Chiefnj
11-03-2004, 09:56 AM
Lots of "idiots" out there isn't there? :rolleyes:

More than I thought. I am growing more certain that Kerry and his advisors are the bigger idiots.

mlyonsd
11-03-2004, 09:58 AM
I understand this...

I'm not disappointed as far as the American people who will deserve whatever comes of a second term. But does the rest of the world????

Last night about 59 million Americans told the "rest of the world" to F'off.

They sent a message that we will do whatever we think it takes to survive and keep our way of life. Bravo to us.

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 09:59 AM
Looks pretty likely Bush won...but I don't have a problem with them actually counting all the votes.

Why would anybody?
Because the longer it takes, the longer the country becomes divided, and we'd just have another 2000, or worse. I highly doubt that all these missing provisional ballots will equal up a win for Kerry. Bush will have the national popular vote as well. He should concede today.

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 10:01 AM
I understand this...

I'm not disappointed as far as the American people who will deserve whatever comes of a second term. But does the rest of the world????

That's got to be the single-most arrogant, condescending, and stupid thing I've heard you say yet.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 10:01 AM
The obvious, of course. Bush is our president for the next 4 years.
You are disappointed in the largest turnout in history voting for the first POTUS with a majority of the people for the first time in almost 20 years?

Seems awfully opinionated when the obvious numbers speak against you.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 10:01 AM
Vitriolic hatred of your opponent coupled with irrational ideological zeal is a pathetic way to live.Geesh.... will you guyz give up on the "hatred" thingie? A caustic quality to our rants (vitriol) doesn't mean we "hate" our fellow Americans any more than you Repub ranters do. I believe that BushCo is a buncha bumbling fools that only got re-elected cuz of a patriotic residual left over from 9/11. That doesn't mean I hate them. Hate I save for guyz like Bin Laden. Can't blame the BushCo Boyz for being swept into office by circumstance.

Chiefnj
11-03-2004, 10:01 AM
Because the longer it takes, the longer the country becomes divided, and we'd just have another 2000, or worse. I highly doubt that all these missing provisional ballots will equal up a win for Kerry. Bush will have the national popular vote as well. He should concede today.

Hate to break it to you but the country is divided and will remain divided.

the Talking Can
11-03-2004, 10:15 AM
Kerry has conceded.

There you go.

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 10:15 AM
I'm still pretty upset with Kerry & Co. If he couldn't have defeated such a terrible president, he doesnt' deserve any type of leadership position.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 10:16 AM
That's got to be the single-most arrogant, condescending, and stupid thing I've heard you say yet.
Really?

#1. Duhnise has shown little to believe she is more concerned with her nation than with the world

#2. I believe her attitude is 100% indicative of why they lost. Their arrogance and demand of instant hatred while branding those who think differently as stupid with their constant condescending tones is what killed the entire campaign.

ENDelt260
11-03-2004, 10:17 AM
I think some (http://marconi.kmnr.umr.edu/kmnr-web/forums/viewtopic.php?t=185) are taking it pretty rough.

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 10:17 AM
That's got to be the single-most arrogant, condescending, and stupid thing I've heard you say yet.

Just give her 5 minutes...

the Talking Can
11-03-2004, 10:18 AM
I'm still pretty upset with Kerry & Co. If he couldn't have defeated such a terrible president, he doesnt' deserve any type of leadership position.

Kerry was Bob Dole.

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 10:18 AM
Oh..i'm really glad that the conservative circle jerk has come full swing in my office. They have FauxNews on the TV in the office, NOT the break room, so I have to listen to it.

Well, not anymore thank goodness, I put on some headphones and some tunes..but if my phone rings or someone asks for me, I can't hear em. :D

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 10:22 AM
I believe that BushCo is a buncha bumbling fools that only got re-elected cuz of a patriotic residual left over from 9/11.

You've got to be kidding, right?

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 10:25 AM
Kerry has conceded.

There you go.S'OK.... they ain't quite done kicking the dead body & dragging it thru the streets like an Iraqi. Now that Kerry has conceded, there'll be some other reason that his dead body needs continued beating. And then.... the election will truly be over....

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 10:30 AM
You've got to be kidding, right?Pay attention, dude! The RNC recognized that as well, which is why their convention consisted of 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, and 9/11. They definately rode that horse to victory. Remember the 91% approval rating after 9/11? They did, which is why their convention & their advertising campaign was WOT president this & 9/11 that. Without 9/11, no way would these doofuses still be in office.

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 10:30 AM
S'OK.... they ain't quite done kicking the dead body & dragging it thru the streets like an Iraqi. Now that Kerry has conceded, there'll be some other reason that his dead body needs continued beating. And then.... the election will truly be over....

Unfortunately, Kerry is the symbol of all the crap that we've had to endure for the last year of this campaign--Moore and his F911, Hollywood libs, Moreon.org, Dan Rather, et al, deserve a little kicking at least for a day--right square in the nuts and finally the 'stolen' election nonsense can be put to rest.

Raiderhader
11-03-2004, 10:36 AM
I'm still pretty upset with Kerry & Co. If he couldn't have defeated such a terrible president, he doesnt' deserve any type of leadership position.


Perhaps he could not defeat Bush because Bush is not as terrible a President as you paint him.


America is still more conservative than socialist, even if the margin is not as large as it used to be.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 10:37 AM
Unfortunately, Kerry is the symbol of all the crap that we've had to endure for the last year of this campaign--Moore and his F911, Hollywood libs, Moreon.org, Dan Rather, et al, deserve a little kicking at least for a day--right square in the nuts and finally the 'stolen' election nonsense can be put to rest.I hear ya.... and you'll all get it out of your systems real soon. Then its down to business appointing far-right judges to the SC, adding gigantic gobs of debt to the ND and "privitizing" it to large corporations, weakening unions, continuing the transfer of worker's wages to corporate profit margins, dismantling SS & Medi-Scam. You guyz have won, and the spoils belong to the victor...

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 10:37 AM
Pay attention, dude! The RNC recognized that as well, which is why their convention consisted of 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, and 9/11. They definately rode that horse to victory. Remember the 91% approval rating after 9/11? They did, which is why their convention & their advertising campaign was WOT president this & 9/11 that. Without 9/11, no way would these doofuses still be in office.

That's not "residue" from 9/11, nor is it "patriotic".

It's LEGITIMATE concern about future terrorist attacks and who is better suited to protect us from them.

Obviously, you're more interested in excuses than figuring out WHAT AMERICA WANTS. Hopefully, for your sake, the rest of the Democratic party won't be that dumb, or their candidate will lose again in 2008.

Saulbadguy
11-03-2004, 10:38 AM
Perhaps he could not defeat Bush because Bush is as terrible a President as you paint him.

So, Bush is a terrible president? :D Typo i'm assuming?

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 10:41 AM
Back to the topic....how do you think George Soros is feeling today?

Bwana
11-03-2004, 10:41 AM
Back to the topic....how do you think George Soros is feeling today?

Like a rented mule.

Donger
11-03-2004, 10:43 AM
Back to the topic....how do you think George Soros is feeling today?

A little lighter in the pocketbook with nothing to show for it.

But, he can afford to pay more.

Raiderhader
11-03-2004, 10:45 AM
So, Bush is a terrible president? :D Typo i'm assuming?


Yes, a typo. I was up all night long vomitting, and still feeling very punkish today. Expect a few errors on this glorious day.

Chiefnj
11-03-2004, 10:48 AM
That's not "residue" from 9/11, nor is it "patriotic".

It's LEGITIMATE concern about future terrorist attacks and who is better suited to protect us from them.

.

I agree it is a legitimate concern. So why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11? Why endorse the candidate who opposed the 9/11 commission? Why endorse the candidate who originally refused to testify at the commission? Why endorse the candidate who wouldn't "testify" by himself?

mlyonsd
11-03-2004, 10:50 AM
I agree it is a legitimate concern. So why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11? Why endorse the candidate who opposed the 9/11 commission? Why endorse the candidate who originally refused to testify at the commission? Why endorse the candidate who wouldn't "testify" by himself?

That's officially pre 11/2 mentality. It's time to move on.

ENDelt260
11-03-2004, 10:50 AM
I was up all night long vomitting

Too much celebratory Turkey?

Cochise
11-03-2004, 10:51 AM
...why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11?

ROFL It's a good feeling to know that I get 4 more years of this kind of entertainment.

Donger
11-03-2004, 10:52 AM
I agree it is a legitimate concern. So why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11? Why endorse the candidate who opposed the 9/11 commission? Why endorse the candidate who originally refused to testify at the commission? Why endorse the candidate who wouldn't "testify" by himself?

Maybe the fact that there hasn't been a major terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 had something to do with the voters' reasoning.

htismaqe
11-03-2004, 10:54 AM
I agree it is a legitimate concern. So why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11? Why endorse the candidate who opposed the 9/11 commission? Why endorse the candidate who originally refused to testify at the commission? Why endorse the candidate who wouldn't "testify" by himself?

Those are all very legitimate questions and ones that everyone should have carefully considered before voting.

However, suggesting that Bush was elected because of some kind of patriotic sentiment associated with 9/11 is ridiculous. The political divisiveness of this country over the last few months is more than enough evidence to quash that assinine notion.

Brock
11-03-2004, 10:56 AM
I agree it is a legitimate concern. So why endorse the candidate that abandoned the hunt for the real terrorists responsible for 9/11? Why endorse the candidate who opposed the 9/11 commission? Why endorse the candidate who originally refused to testify at the commission? Why endorse the candidate who wouldn't "testify" by himself?

ROFL priceless

RINGLEADER
11-03-2004, 10:56 AM
Get it over with...

and start holding the Cons feet to the fire. They have NO ONE TO BLAME, NO EXCUSES, NO OBSTACLES to success OR failure.


Well, with Daschle out of the way maybe the Dems will quit filibustering the GOP agenda.

BTW, now that he won't be using it, can Kerry clue us all in on what his secret plans for Iraq are? Not that they're any good, I'm just curious as to what they were.

Chief Henry
11-03-2004, 11:04 AM
Well, with Daschle out of the way maybe the Dems will quit filibustering the GOP agenda.

BTW, now that he won't be using it, can Kerry clue us all in on what his secret plans for Iraq are? Not that they're any good, I'm just curious as to what they were.


I wonder what JK plan for the war on Terrorism was ?

With Daschle out of the way, maybe NOW we can get an ENERGY policy through the Congress. :)

Raiderhader
11-03-2004, 11:25 AM
Too much celebratory Turkey?


No. My stomach started feeling upset shortly after the first glass. I didn't finish the second.

It was/is either something I ate, or the flu. Whatever the case, it's nasty; I've never retched like I did last night. I can't decide if my stomach still hurts because it is still upset, or because of the strain it went through all night long.

DenverChief
11-03-2004, 11:32 AM
Vitriolic hatred of your opponent coupled with irrational ideological zeal is a pathetic way to live.

it is...hows your stance on homosexuality again?

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:04 PM
I think some (http://marconi.kmnr.umr.edu/kmnr-web/forums/viewtopic.php?t=185) are taking it pretty rough.
You responded to him with that? You have an entire arsenal of wit and that was all you had?

ENDelt260
11-03-2004, 12:06 PM
You responded to him with that? You have an entire arsenal of wit and that was all you had?
I didn't feel he was worth much more.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:09 PM
I didn't feel he was worth much more.
The moron even chose an assassin who couldn't complete the job. You not only had an extremist at your fingertips, you had a moronic extremist.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 12:35 PM
That's not "residue" from 9/11, nor is it "patriotic".

It's LEGITIMATE concern about future terrorist attacks and who is better suited to protect us from them.

Obviously, you're more interested in excuses than figuring out WHAT AMERICA WANTS. Hopefully, for your sake, the rest of the Democratic party won't be that dumb, or their candidate will lose again in 2008.OK, ok.... I call it leftover support from the 91% post-9/11 approval rating, you call it legitimate concern - the two are not mutually exclusive, me bucko. We're both saying the same thing, only wording it differently. The RNC recognized it & programed their campaign accordingly.

P.S. I may not be as dumb as I present myself.... I do recognize the shift to the Right. OK... maybe I am kinda dumb, cuz I'll confess to something that will probably bring me some heat: Some of us libbies secretly supported a socialist agenda in our domestic policy battles - I'm one of them. And although its pretty dang clear that my desired direction is the opposite of the trend in America, it didn't take this election for me to figure that out.

Yes, some of us libbies sport the old-fashioned bleeding heart policies that are way out of step with mainstream America. Stuff like all us Americans have a right to food, shelter, & medical care. Socialized medicine, welfare, etc. Such egalitarian dreams are nothing more than silly fantasy after this election.... in 4 years the government will be way too broke to entertain social programs like that.

I'm too old to fight the socialist fight anymore - I give up. Of course, I'm the kind of Comrade that would have been sent to the Gulag cuz I've always made sure that I took care of myself and mine. I don't need the social programs that I champion cuz I've always built in retirement protections & investments, & such. Time for me to just enjoy my security & quit worrying about those more unfortunate than myself. Thank you for listening!

Iowanian
11-03-2004, 12:36 PM
I think this would be a great time to call moveon2004's office, before its cleared out, and remind them to pay me my $Three Fiddy before leaving town.


and stay out.

Brock
11-03-2004, 12:39 PM
Yes, some of us libbies sport the old-fashioned bleeding heart policies that are way out of step with mainstream America. Stuff like all us Americans have a right to food, shelter, & medical care. Socialized medicine, welfare, etc. Such egalitarian dreams are nothing more than silly fantasy after this election.... in 4 years the government will be way too broke to entertain social programs like that.

Just trying to help.
http://www.tarpits.org/art/pagemap.jpg

stumppy
11-03-2004, 12:40 PM
I think this would be a great time to call moveon2004's office, before its cleared out, and remind them to pay me my $Three Fiddy before leaving town.


and stay out.


How about they just keep it and don't come back ?:D

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 12:40 PM
P.S. I may not be as dumb as I present myself.... I do recognize the shift to the Right. OK... maybe I am kinda dumb, cuz I'll confess to something that will probably bring me some heat: Some of us libbies secretly supported a socialist agenda in our domestic policy battles - I'm one of them. And although its pretty dang clear that my desired direction is the opposite of the trend in America, it didn't take this election for me to figure that out.

Yes, some of us libbies sport the old-fashioned bleeding heart policies that are way out of step with mainstream America. Stuff like all us Americans have a right to food, shelter, & medical care. Socialized medicine, welfare, etc. Such egalitarian dreams are nothing more than silly fantasy after this election.... in 4 years the government will be way too broke to entertain social programs like that.

I'm too old to fight the socialist fight anymore - I give up. Of course, I'm the kind of Comrade that would have been sent to the Gulag cuz I've always made sure that I took care of myself and mine. I don't need the social programs that I champion cuz I've always built in retirement protections & investments, & such. Time for me to just enjoy my security & quit worrying about those more unfortunate than myself. Thank you for listening!

So in translation...Socialism is good for everyone but yourself. Gotcha! :thumb:

Cannibal
11-03-2004, 12:42 PM
So, in a few words: bitter, angry, arrogant and condescending.

Thanks!

If anyone is being "condescending" it is you for asking the people who's nominee was just defeated "how they feel".

Gee... I wonder? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ENDelt260
11-03-2004, 12:43 PM
The moron even chose an assassin who couldn't complete the job. You not only had an extremist at your fingertips, you had a moronic extremist.
Just doesn't give me the chubby it does you, I guess.

I'm generally just dismissive of those types. What's the good in making a joke they won't understand anyway?

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:43 PM
If anyone is being "condescending" it is you for asking the people who's nominee was just defeated "how they feel".

Gee... I wonder? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ahh, another bitter fan....

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 12:45 PM
So in translation...Socialism is good for everyone but yourself. Gotcha! :thumb:Well... more like: "Socialism would be nice for those that need it - but I'm sure as heck gonna hedge my bets just in case we Comrades can't pull it off!"

Brock
11-03-2004, 12:45 PM
Ahh, another bitter fan....

I feel better with each and every whining post. This is hilarious!

Frankie
11-03-2004, 12:45 PM
Geesh.... will you guyz give up on the "hatred" thingie? A caustic quality to our rants (vitriol) doesn't mean we "hate" our fellow Americans any more than you Repub ranters do. I believe that BushCo is a buncha bumbling fools that only got re-elected cuz of a patriotic residual left over from 9/11. That doesn't mean I hate them. Hate I save for guyz like Bin Laden. Can't blame the BushCo Boyz for being swept into office by circumstance.

:thumb:

Logical
11-03-2004, 12:46 PM
Last night about 59 million Americans told the "rest of the world" to F'off.

They sent a message that we will do whatever we think it takes to survive and keep our way of life. Bravo to us.

Well said:thumb:

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 12:47 PM
If anyone is being "condescending" it is you for asking the people who's nominee was just defeated "how they feel".

Gee... I wonder? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let them gloat....

their guy has to clean up Iraq. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Cannibal
11-03-2004, 12:47 PM
I feel better with each and every whining post. This is hilarious!

Good for you. Just try not to ejaculate on your keyboard.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:48 PM
Well... more like: "Socialism would be nice for those that need it - but I'm sure as heck gonna hedge my bets just in case we Comrades can't pull it off!"
I feel about Socialism like liberals do about banning abortion - If you want to have it, you fund it.

Cannibal
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
We have a mongoloid "cowboy" for President... Corky in a cowboy hat.

Oh well, "life goes on" I guess.

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
Let them gloat....

their guy has to clean up Iraq. ROFL ROFL ROFL


With your kids..

har har har....

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
Let them gloat....

their guy has to clean up Iraq. ROFL ROFL ROFL
Dammit!! I forgot, he will have to be the leader of the free world. Shucks

Chiefnj
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
Let them gloat....

their guy has to clean up Iraq. ROFL ROFL ROFL

No, he goes on vacation with his family while kids from other families get maimed, crippled and killed.

Pitt Gorilla
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
Uh, Kerry condeded.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
We have a mongoloid "cowboy" for President... Corky in a cowboy hat.

Oh well, "life goes on" I guess.
I see the Rationalization Train is picking up all kinds of passengers today.

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 12:50 PM
With your kids..

har har har....

Not with mine...

got that covered, dontcha worry.

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 12:50 PM
Well... more like: "Socialism would be nice for those that need it - but I'm sure as heck gonna hedge my bets just in case!"

Sorry, no one 'needs' Socialism...it's one of the most destructive forms of governance ever thought of. It's no coincidence that most Socialists tend to favor Socialism as long as they're not forced to partake.

Brock
11-03-2004, 12:50 PM
Good for you. Just try not to ejaculate on your keyboard.

Another sore loser. Music to my ears.

Donger
11-03-2004, 12:50 PM
If anyone is being "condescending" it is you for asking the people who's nominee was just defeated "how they feel".

Gee... I wonder? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Actually, I was asking Kerry supporters how the felt about Kerry not conceding yet, not how the felt about their guy losing.

Donger
11-03-2004, 12:51 PM
Uh, Kerry condeded.

Uh, check the time of thread posting.

Cannibal
11-03-2004, 12:51 PM
Another sore loser. Music to my ears.

Clean your keyboard and get back to work please.

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 12:51 PM
Not with mine...

got that covered, dontcha worry.


turned em' gay already?

good job.

Brock
11-03-2004, 12:52 PM
Clean your keyboard and get back to work please.

After you, hypocrite.

Frankie
11-03-2004, 12:57 PM
No, he goes on vacation with his family while kids from other families get maimed, crippled and killed.
:clap: :clap:

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 12:58 PM
:clap: :clap:


laugh while you can.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 12:59 PM
No, he goes on vacation with his family while kids from other families get maimed, crippled and killed.
I forgot Kerre's plan to pull them all back on inauguration day.

chiefs4me
11-03-2004, 01:00 PM
[QUOTE=MOhillbilly]With your kids..

har har har....[/QUOTE/}


What a mean thing to say :cuss:

Brock
11-03-2004, 01:00 PM
I forgot Kerre's plan to pull them all back on inauguration day.

He was going to give them all a ride home on his yacht, the SS Common Man, from what I hear.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 01:08 PM
It's no coincidence that most Socialists tend to favor Socialism as long as they're not forced to partake.Look up "bleeding heart".... it means we care about the welfare of those less fortunate than ourselves. Stuff like... we want them to have access to health care even if they ain't got no money to pay for it. We don't mean no harm... we just wanna help!

Cannibal
11-03-2004, 01:08 PM
After you, hypocrite.

I'm not the one jerggin off all over myself about this. You are.

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin"... I guess that says it all.

Continue the circle jerk right wingers. I will now get back to work.

Donger
11-03-2004, 01:09 PM
Look up "bleeding heart".... it means we care about the welfare of those less fortunate than ourselves. Stuff like... we want them to have access to health care even if they ain't got no money to pay for it. We don't mean no harm... we just wanna help!

So, knock yourself out. Kick in a few bucks and you'll get your utopia.

Brock
11-03-2004, 01:09 PM
I'm not the one jerggin off all over myself about this. You are.

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin"... I guess that says it all.

Continue the circle jerk right wingers. I will now get back to work.


Since I'm probably your boss, you better.

Cochise
11-03-2004, 01:11 PM
Continue the circle jerk right wingers. I will now get back to work.

Allright left-winger. I noticed the paper towels are running low on the second floor, can you make sure and check on that?

KCTitus
11-03-2004, 01:12 PM
Look up "bleeding heart".... it means we care about the welfare of those less fortunate than ourselves. Stuff like... we want them to have access to health care even if they ain't got no money to pay for it. We don't mean no harm... we just wanna help!

It's amazing how the human race survived for thousands of years before healthcare.

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 01:14 PM
The herd needs culling as it is.why prolong the agony of those who cant getit done themselves?

its all about the foodchain. Hunters vs, Hunted. always has been always will be.
getrdun or become fodder.

trndobrd
11-03-2004, 01:14 PM
Kerry was Bob Dole.


Someone told me that very thing back in April. I guess he was right.

Frankie
11-03-2004, 01:20 PM
laugh while you can.

:clap: Wow.... four words.
Don't strain your brain.

Pitt Gorilla
11-03-2004, 01:20 PM
Uh, check the time of thread posting.Patience is a virtue.

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 01:22 PM
:clap: Wow.... four words.
Don't strain your brain.


ARBEIT MACHT FREI.


see you soon.

Cochise
11-03-2004, 01:22 PM
It's amazing how the human race survived for thousands of years before healthcare.

NOOOOO humanity is going to go extinct if we don't implement socialist health care!!

Frankie
11-03-2004, 01:38 PM
ARBEIT MACHT FREI.


see you soon.

Babatam mesleh toh Koonieh?

MOhillbilly
11-03-2004, 01:51 PM
Babatam mesleh toh Koonieh?


What? I no speakee the klingon.

Iowanian
11-03-2004, 01:54 PM
I can't help it...............

George Bush Contributed further to unemployment today.....by the Thoughtless victory over John Kerry, all of the Kerry Campaign staff, those hired by moveon2004 and ACT now have no gainful employment.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 03:03 PM
I can't help it...............

George Bush Contributed further to unemployment today.....by the Thoughtless victory over John Kerry, all of the Kerry Campaign staff, those hired by moveon2004 and ACT now have no gainful employment.
I wonder how long they can survive on three fiddy?

Calcountry
11-03-2004, 03:05 PM
How do you guys view Kerry's decision not to concede yet?

Like it?

Dislike it?
I think they might want to wash their legs.

Calcountry
11-03-2004, 03:06 PM
Get it over with...

and start holding the Cons feet to the fire. They have NO ONE TO BLAME, NO EXCUSES, NO OBSTACLES to success OR failure.
So what are you rooting for? Success, or failure.

Calcountry
11-03-2004, 03:07 PM
But if he DOES concede, then poor little CourtTV will have to come up with a new winter schedule!

;)
Yeah, and Greta Van Cistern is gonna have to move on from the Peterson trial.

Pennywise
11-03-2004, 03:08 PM
Babatam mesleh toh Koonieh?

I call bullshit. How do you guys get the camel to stand still?

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 05:02 PM
So, knock yourself out. Kick in a few bucks and you'll get your utopia.I think you missed my confession.... I said I give up on it. I'm kinda new at this dog-eat-dog mentality... Vlad tried to explain it to me once, but I just didn't get it. How is it all supposed to work? Without socialized medicine, folks that go to a hospital without insurance and without funds get their bill paid by the government anyway. Hospitals are often forced to eat much of the bill, and some close their doors cuz they are overburdened by patients that cannot pay. Seems to me that we should address the problem in some kinda organized fashion, but that old-style thinking just don't wash in today's America. Eventually, we have to go to some kinda two-tiered society of those that can afford healthcare and those who cannot. If we don't target the problem, we'll eventually have to tell patients that the government will no longer just pick up the tab. Hospitals will have to turn folks away or go out of business. How will the Free Society thingie work for people that cannot afford health care? One of you Compassionate Conservatives must have it figured out.... where's Vlad?

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 05:16 PM
Yeah, and Greta Van Cistern is gonna have to move on from the Peterson trial.
Don't know why, but that cracks me up.


That gal has a face like a water pitcher!!!

Donger
11-03-2004, 05:16 PM
If we don't target the problem, we'll eventually have to tell patients that the government will no longer just pick up the tab

Good.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 05:29 PM
Good.Now you see my dilema.... do we just stop treating folks who cannot pay their bills? Thats the part where I am stuck....

Donger
11-03-2004, 05:47 PM
Now you see my dilema.... do we just stop treating folks who cannot pay their bills? Thats the part where I am stuck....

Yes.

Rausch
11-03-2004, 06:04 PM
Yes.

Agreed...

Raiderhader
11-03-2004, 06:12 PM
Now you see my dilema.... do we just stop treating folks who cannot pay their bills? Thats the part where I am stuck....


I have no problem with governemt assitance in this situation. Cut taxes further and allow the people to keep more of their own money which they can use for potential health care costs.


And I know it is coming so I shall go ahead and address it -

What do we cut to "pay" (I really, really, really, really hate that term, but for the sake of the left after their ass kicking last night...) for the tax cuts? The medicare and medicade programs that we will no longer be using.

Now that is MY idea of government assistance.

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 06:15 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 06:18 PM
I think you missed my confession.... I said I give up on it. I'm kinda new at this dog-eat-dog mentality... Vlad tried to explain it to me once, but I just didn't get it. How is it all supposed to work? Without socialized medicine, folks that go to a hospital without insurance and without funds get their bill paid by the government anyway. Hospitals are often forced to eat much of the bill, and some close their doors cuz they are overburdened by patients that cannot pay. Seems to me that we should address the problem in some kinda organized fashion, but that old-style thinking just don't wash in today's America. Eventually, we have to go to some kinda two-tiered society of those that can afford healthcare and those who cannot. If we don't target the problem, we'll eventually have to tell patients that the government will no longer just pick up the tab. Hospitals will have to turn folks away or go out of business. How will the Free Society thingie work for people that cannot afford health care? One of you Compassionate Conservatives must have it figured out.... where's Vlad?
How did it work in 1796?

Donger
11-03-2004, 06:18 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

This is wrong, but when I first read your post, I thought "kicking" was actually "licking."

Bwana
11-03-2004, 06:19 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

You would get tired and fall over before you could get them all red. :) That's a lot of balls.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 06:21 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!
I understand, as everyone who voted for Kerry must feel like they need gonad surgery at this time anyway. It's called playa hatin

Braincase
11-03-2004, 06:21 PM
I didn't support Kerry and I didn't support Bush. The one thing this election does do is place the responsibility for the next four years squarely in the Republicans corner. So if and when the government completely screws up, I do expect those of you that have supported the administration to sack up and not blame the Democrats.

Rausch
11-03-2004, 06:23 PM
I didn't support Kerry and I didn't support Bush. The one thing this election does do is place the responsibility for the next four years squarely in the Republicans corner. So if and when the government completely screws up, I do expect those of you that have supported the administration to sack up and not blame the Democrats.

The Dems no longer have the ability to be abstructionists, and the Reps have as much power as they are likely to ever have. In that, we agree.

But I'm optomistic... :)

B2chiefsfan
11-03-2004, 06:31 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

"Swing these nuts"

Rausch
11-03-2004, 06:31 PM
"Swing these nuts" ROFL

Braincase
11-03-2004, 06:31 PM
The Dems no longer have the ability to be abstructionists, and the Reps have as much power as they are likely to ever have. In that, we agree.

But I'm optomistic... :)

Absolute power in the hands of the Republicans. Yes, I feel safer already.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 06:53 PM
(do we just stop treating folks who cannot pay their bills?)

Yes.Wow.... Dude, I'm trying to get this - I really am. I have this vision of tumorous poor folk hanging around the streets - too sick to work, unable to pay to have their malignancies removed. Do I just like.... step over the dead and dying on my way to work like they do in Bombay?

Rausch
11-03-2004, 06:55 PM
Wow.... Dude, I'm trying to get this - I really am. I have this vision of tumorous poor folk hanging around the streets - too sick to work, unable to pay to have their malignancies removed. Do I just like.... step over the dead and dying on my way to work like they do in Bombay?

Um, yeah.

It's not my responsiblity to support your family. That's your friend's and family's job.

Donger
11-03-2004, 06:57 PM
Wow.... Dude, I'm trying to get this - I really am. I have this vision of tumorous poor folk hanging around the streets - too sick to work, unable to pay to have their malignancies removed. Do I just like.... step over the dead and dying on my way to work like they do in Bombay?

Yes.

Again, feel free to pony up some of your own dough if it upsets you so much.

Braincase
11-03-2004, 06:59 PM
I've got a second cousin who is on disability. His prescription drugs run 3 grans a month. He can't take a job, because then he wouldn't qualify for Medicare that pays for his prescriptions. Nice to know how some of you really feel.

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:01 PM
I've got a second cousin who is on disability. His prescription drugs run 3 grans a month. He can't take a job, because then he wouldn't qualify for Medicare that pays for his prescriptions. Nice to know how some of you really feel.

What's wrong with him?

chiefs4me
11-03-2004, 07:02 PM
Absolute power in the hands of the Republicans. Yes, I feel safer already.



ROFL

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:03 PM
What's wrong with him?

Heart disease and liver disease. He's early fifties.

To be honest, I felt the same way most of you feel a few years ago. I was looking for any way to avoid taxes, until I looked at Ray. My dad looked at me and said, "Ray's on disability". My dad is the most level headed person I've known. He is a registered Republican, and now holds a seat in government. When he told me that, I just felt sick, because I realized the stuff I was spouting off, if it were policy, would've killed him.

Hope you all don't have to go through that kind of paralax shift when it happens to your family.

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:04 PM
Heart disease and liver disease. He's early fifties.

Sorry to hear that.

Is/was he a heavy smoker and drinker?

chiefs4me
11-03-2004, 07:05 PM
I've got a second cousin who is on disability. His prescription drugs run 3 grans a month. He can't take a job, because then he wouldn't qualify for Medicare that pays for his prescriptions. Nice to know how some of you really feel.


Not everyone feels that way :(

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 07:07 PM
Yes. Again, feel free to pony up some of your own dough if it upsets you so much.It does upset me, which is why I volunteer at a Catholic charity hospital in Santa Rosa and their affiliate emergency hospital here in Petaluma. I put in my time helping folks, I pay my taxes, I donate to charities.....I dunno why you think the solution is for me to pay some extra. I'm studying medical imaging to help out with a serious shortage of technologists coming down the pipe real soon. It does upset me and I am doing plenty to help out.

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 07:08 PM
You would get tired and fall over before you could get them all red. :) That's a lot of balls.


I would certainly give it a valiant effort!! :thumb:

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:09 PM
It does upset me, which is why I volunteer at a Catholic charity hospital in Santa Rosa and their affiliate emergency hospital here in Petaluma. I put in my time helping folks, I pay my taxes, I donate to charities.....I dunno why you think the solution is for me to pay some extra. I'm studying medical imaging to help out with a serious shortage of technologists coming down th epipe real soon. It doe supset me and I am doing plenty to help out.

Good for you, seriously. I think that's great.

Ugly Duck
11-03-2004, 07:10 PM
Good for you, seriously. I think that's great.Thank you!

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:10 PM
Sorry to hear that.

Is/was he a heavy smoker and drinker?

Was. His family was fraught with alcohol abuse. I am very sympathetic to those that have had to deal with drug and alcohol abuse in their families.

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:11 PM
Was. His family was fraught with alcohol abuse. I am very sympathetic to those that have had to deal with drug and alcohol abuse in their families.

I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so I won't.

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:17 PM
I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so I won't.

"He has a genetic predisposition to alcoholism, and he deserves to die!"

Close enough?

chiefs4me
11-03-2004, 07:25 PM
I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so I won't.



No he doesn't,,and I don't think you should

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:28 PM
"He has a genetic predisposition to alcoholism, and he deserves to die!"

Close enough?

No. I don't think he deserves to die. Quite the contrary; I hope he pulls through.

But, should the state pay for the cost of his health care?

No.

Unless he was forced to swallow the booze and to puff on the cigs, he made a decision to follow that way of life. Why should my tax dollars pay for his mistakes?

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:35 PM
No. I don't think he deserves to die. Quite the contrary; I hope he pulls through.

But, should the state pay for the cost of his health care?

No.

Unless he was forced to swallow the booze and to puff on the cigs, he made a decision to follow that way of life. Why should my tax dollars pay for his mistakes?

Your tax dollars pay for peoples mistakes every day. Why should my cousin rate lower than a prison inmate?

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 07:37 PM
Your tax dollars pay for peoples mistakes every day. Why should my cousin rate lower than a prison inmate?
Then where are the tax dollars to help me, Mr. Middle Class. I am living paycheck to paycheck with 4 kids. I and my wife work more than 50 hours a week each. I want someone to pay for my 10 year old car, my kids education, my modest house, and our extraordinary grocery and heating bills. I wonder why no one has to help me?

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:39 PM
Then where are the tax dollars to help me, Mr. Middle Class. I am living paycheck to paycheck with 4 kids. I and my wife work more than 50 hours a week each. I want someone to pay for my 10 year old car, my kids education, my modest house, and our extraordinary grocery and heating bills. I wonder why no one has to help me?

You're living the American dream, Help yourself.

B2chiefsfan
11-03-2004, 07:39 PM
Your tax dollars pay for peoples mistakes every day. Why should my cousin rate lower than a prison inmate?

Hell, I'll give you that one.

Inmates get better cable rates than I do. They get offered a free work out program and free education. Excellent dental plan and healthcare. Three square meals..........


This kind of treatment to inmates lasted all through the Clinton Administration..........

Inspector
11-03-2004, 07:41 PM
Really?

#1. Duhnise has shown little to believe she is more concerned with her nation than with the world

#2. I believe her attitude is 100% indicative of why they lost. Their arrogance and demand of instant hatred while branding those who think differently as stupid with their constant condescending tones is what killed the entire campaign.

Ding ding ding!!!

Well said!

Rausch
11-03-2004, 07:43 PM
Hope you all don't have to go through that kind of paralax shift when it happens to your family.

I didn't.

But I understand where you're comming from more than you know.

And I don't think the weaknesses of my family members should force you to help carry our load. That's just my view.

It is not a comment on your loved one, just my opinion that a community should rely upon itself and not other communities.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 07:45 PM
You're living the American dream, Help yourself.
A 10 year old car, 50-60 hours working per week, a home under 100k, raising 4 kids, and I am living a dream?

Hardly,

The person living the dream is the one who has lived irresponsibly all his life and expects me to take money away from my kids to pay for his mistakes.

Frankie
11-03-2004, 07:47 PM
I call bullshit. How do you guys get the camel to stand still?

Toh keh hasti, chera shotor?

Rausch
11-03-2004, 07:49 PM
You're living the American dream, Help yourself.

2pts reversal to Brain!

Donger
11-03-2004, 07:50 PM
Your tax dollars pay for peoples mistakes every day. Why should my cousin rate lower than a prison inmate?

I know. And I don't like any of it.

Braincase
11-03-2004, 07:53 PM
A 10 year old car, 50-60 hours working per week, a home under 100k, raising 4 kids, and I am living a dream?

Hardly,

The person living the dream is the one who has lived irresponsibly all his life and expects me to take money away from my kids to pay for his mistakes.

We all make choices Russ. We make choices when we're in high school that affect our lives. We choose to go to college after high school, we choose to join the military, we choose to roll a little latex over the johnson to prevent issue.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation like my cousin. If you do, I hope you don't have to hear people say, "You made the mistakes. Why should I have to pay".

I'll err to the side of compassion. I consider that the Christian thing to do.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 07:56 PM
We all make choices Russ. We make choices when we're in high school that affect our lives. We choose to go to college after high school, we choose to join the military, we choose to roll a little latex over the johnson to prevent issue.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation like my cousin. If you do, I hope you don't have to hear people say, "You made the mistakes. Why should I have to pay".

I'll err to the side of compassion. I consider that the Christian thing to do.
If you condense my stance to a single sentence, I would rather you deleted "You made the mistakes, I shouldn't have to pay" and instead typed "Sorry kids, I know you are family, but you aren't as important as people we don't know".

Braincase
11-03-2004, 08:00 PM
If you condense my stance to a single sentence, I would rather you deleted "You made the mistakes, I shouldn't have to pay" and instead typed "Sorry kids, I know you are family, but you aren't as important as people we don't know".

Well, maybe you don't know 'em. I do. He's a pretty good guy, a good father, and a hell of an electrician. He just can't afford to practice his trade.

And once again, I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation. If you do, I hope you find more compassion than I see here.

Inspector
11-03-2004, 08:00 PM
I think you missed my confession.... I said I give up on it. I'm kinda new at this dog-eat-dog mentality... Vlad tried to explain it to me once, but I just didn't get it. How is it all supposed to work? Without socialized medicine, folks that go to a hospital without insurance and without funds get their bill paid by the government anyway. Hospitals are often forced to eat much of the bill, and some close their doors cuz they are overburdened by patients that cannot pay. Seems to me that we should address the problem in some kinda organized fashion, but that old-style thinking just don't wash in today's America. Eventually, we have to go to some kinda two-tiered society of those that can afford healthcare and those who cannot. If we don't target the problem, we'll eventually have to tell patients that the government will no longer just pick up the tab. Hospitals will have to turn folks away or go out of business. How will the Free Society thingie work for people that cannot afford health care? One of you Compassionate Conservatives must have it figured out.... where's Vlad?

I think for some people the turn off for socialization is the way some people use it.

I've seen young folks - much younger than myself - living a comfortable life while not working. Collecting welfare and food stamps that I have to pay for.

Plenty of people wouldn't mind helping those who are truly needy, but there is always those who rip off the system. People who can work but won't.

As a result, anything resembling socialization is a big turn off. Frankly I get sick and tired of seeing the person in front of me at the grocery store paying with food stamps (meaning I'm paying for it) and then go out and get in a nice new car - a lot nicer and newer than mine.

You want something? Hell, work for it like most of the rest of us. That's my idea of socialization. Quit looking to me for a free hand out. (Unless you are truly unable to care for yourself...)

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 08:07 PM
Well, maybe you don't know 'em. I do. He's a pretty good guy, a good father, and a hell of an electrician. He just can't afford to practice his trade.

And once again, I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation. If you do, I hope you find more compassion than I see here.
Glad to hear it. I am sure he is a nice person.

But again, it comes to my family or someone I don't know.

Which would you choose if you are afforded the opportunity. Would you tell those three kids, "I sure hope you are smart, because we make too much to get a loan or scholarship, but I don't make enough to send you to college. My money must go to other people who don't work as hard as we do because they made worse life decisions than we did."

mcan
11-03-2004, 08:20 PM
I'll err to the side of compassion. I consider that the Christian thing to do.


You're exactly right... That's why there are instituions like the church, and the united way to help people out who need it. There are countless charities and fund raisers, many of which are ran by some kind of Christian or religious group. That's what these groups are for.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 08:22 PM
I think for some people the turn off for socialization is the way some people use it.

I've seen young folks - much younger than myself - living a comfortable life while not working. Collecting welfare and food stamps that I have to pay for.

Plenty of people wouldn't mind helping those who are truly needy, but there is always those who rip off the system. People who can work but won't.

As a result, anything resembling socialization is a big turn off. Frankly I get sick and tired of seeing the person in front of me at the grocery store paying with food stamps (meaning I'm paying for it) and then go out and get in a nice new car - a lot nicer and newer than mine.

You want something? Hell, work for it like most of the rest of us. That's my idea of socialization. Quit looking to me for a free hand out. (Unless you are truly unable to care for yourself...)
True dat.


If we are using examples, may I present a former employee of mine. She deliberately turned down 3 raises over three years because she wanted to keep WIC, food stamps, HUD housing, and electric bill benefits from the state. She would not work more than 29 hours a week and when we went to mandatory overtime she would call in sick as not to work more than the said 29 hours. She used every single minute of her sick time every month. When I was asked to complete a letter for her stating there was a freeze on raises as to the reason why she didn't earn more, I refused (it was a lie she wanted to submit to her social worker) her work deteriorated until she no longer meet minimum standards and she was fired.


I am so glad I pay for people like these instead of giving my children what I have earned.

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 08:25 PM
I understand, as everyone who voted for Kerry must feel like they need gonad surgery at this time anyway. It's called playa hatin

nlm

You are hilarious!!

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 08:29 PM
nlm

You are hilarious!!
Rep to you anyway. Looks like you need it tonight

Rausch
11-03-2004, 08:31 PM
And once again, I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation. If you do, I hope you find more compassion than I see here.

I have gone through this. My grandfather. I don't know about your situation, but my grandfather did it to himself. Drank and smoked himself to the point 4 of his major organs gave up on him. Slowly.

It a sick twist of irony it was his impending death that caused him to become human again. Because my father and family were forced to care for him he finally himself became a father, to my father. He finally "got it."

I doubt that metamorphasis would have occurred in a hospital. And that's my point. Throwing money at the situation doesn't solve anything, it takes one on one interaction to have any real impact.

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 08:31 PM
Rep to you anyway. Looks like you need it tonight

Actually, I am pretty much over it now. Thanks!!

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 08:32 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

Dang...

and I thought revolting against the 'mandate' bull shit was being radical. ROFL ROFL ROFL

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 08:33 PM
Dang...

and I thought revolting against the 'mandate' bull shit was being radical. ROFL ROFL ROFL
It was

stumppy
11-03-2004, 08:35 PM
Then where are the tax dollars to help me, Mr. Middle Class. I am living paycheck to paycheck with 4 kids. I and my wife work more than 50 hours a week each. I want someone to pay for my 10 year old car, my kids education, my modest house, and our extraordinary grocery and heating bills. I wonder why no one has to help me?

Big difference between how you percieve your standard of living and the truly life and death medical needs of someone else.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 08:38 PM
Big difference between how you percieve your standard of living and the truly life and death medical needs of someone else.
So, you have lowered your standard of living to help those in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Somalia, etc etc etc? If not, why?

And how low is low enough. Frankly, I think it is bullsh*t I have to work two jobs to keep my family above water - I wouldn't need both jobs if I weren't already taxed to death.


You are correct, perception is 95% of this issue. The problem is that the liberal perception being foisted upon me is against my will.

stumppy
11-03-2004, 09:26 PM
So, you have lowered your standard of living to help those in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Somalia, etc etc etc? If not, why?

And how low is low enough. Frankly, I think it is bullsh*t I have to work two jobs to keep my family above water - I wouldn't need both jobs if I weren't already taxed to death.


You are correct, perception is 95% of this issue. The problem is that the liberal perception being foisted upon me is against my will.


My standard of living? It couldn't get much lower than what it is. And I don't follow the terroristmemesavetheworldfirst line of thinking. But I do believe we, as Americans, should take care of our own first and foremost.
In the past it didn't bother me one bit to pay taxes. And when I had a few extra bucks held out of my check to pay for some new social program It didn't bother me at all. Actually, I take that back, I would piss and moan about it for awhile but before long that extra few bucks was not really misssed. What I cleared on my check was what I cleared on my check and I made the best of it.
By no means do I think there should be some social program for every little problem that comes along in life. But there are some things that we, as individuals and society as a whole cannot afford to risk without some type of safety net.
I really don't think this is some kind of liberal perception. It is what it is. A problem that everyone needs to step up to and agree that we all have got eachothers backs.

:shrug: That's about all I got.


Straight from a lifelong conservative.

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2004, 09:29 PM
I felt like kicking every motherphucker in the balls that voted for Bush!! Does that sum it up enough!?!

Tell you what....even if Clint didn't vote for GW, why don't you begin with him.... :hmmm:

stumppy
11-03-2004, 09:30 PM
Actually, I am pretty much over it now. Thanks!!

I guess it's ok to poke my .....uh...er....head out now ?

Inspector
11-03-2004, 09:33 PM
True dat.


If we are using examples, may I present a former employee of mine. She deliberately turned down 3 raises over three years because she wanted to keep WIC, food stamps, HUD housing, and electric bill benefits from the state. She would not work more than 29 hours a week and when we went to mandatory overtime she would call in sick as not to work more than the said 29 hours. She used every single minute of her sick time every month. When I was asked to complete a letter for her stating there was a freeze on raises as to the reason why she didn't earn more, I refused (it was a lie she wanted to submit to her social worker) her work deteriorated until she no longer meet minimum standards and she was fired.


I am so glad I pay for people like these instead of giving my children what I have earned.


I know what you mean....

Don't get me started on some of the stories I could share about some of my employees and their slick use of the FMLA. My compnay pays for sick days. Combine that with FMLA (forgetabout my last absence) and you can quickly see how I have people sitting at home getting paid for an extra 12 weeks every year or so. What a fuggin joke that program is. And - I think we can thank Mr. CLinton for that one.

Iowanian
11-03-2004, 09:37 PM
I know what Kerry Fans felt like this morning...

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 09:40 PM
I've got a second cousin who is on disability. His prescription drugs run 3 grans a month. He can't take a job, because then he wouldn't qualify for Medicare that pays for his prescriptions. Nice to know how some of you really feel.
How about being thankful that our capitalist system led to the pharmaceutical innovations that are keeping him alive?
I know it hurts that you have a bond with your cousin, whom people are giving flack over the internet for his choices and the expensive situation they have placed him in. But you also have to realize that a lot of people worked hard to come up with things that even make it possible for him to be alive. And a lot of other people are working equally hard to pay for him to have those things.

stumppy
11-03-2004, 09:40 PM
I know what you mean....

Don't get me started on some of the stories I could share about some of my employees and their slick use of the FMLA. My compnay pays for sick days. Combine that with FMLA (forgetabout my last absence) and you can quickly see how I have people sitting at home getting paid for an extra 12 weeks every year or so. What a fuggin joke that program is. And - I think we can thank Mr. CLinton for that one.

I didn't know the company had to pay the persons wages while they were off work under the FMLA.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 09:42 PM
I know what you mean....

Don't get me started on some of the stories I could share about some of my employees and their slick use of the FMLA. My compnay pays for sick days. Combine that with FMLA (forgetabout my last absence) and you can quickly see how I have people sitting at home getting paid for an extra 12 weeks every year or so. What a fuggin joke that program is. And - I think we can thank Mr. CLinton for that one.
Intermittent FMLA!!! I could go on for hours. We have a few threads on the subject already. You should do a search and read up.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 09:43 PM
My standard of living? It couldn't get much lower than what it is. And I don't follow the terroristmemesavetheworldfirst line of thinking. But I do believe we, as Americans, should take care of our own first and foremost.
In the past it didn't bother me one bit to pay taxes. And when I had a few extra bucks held out of my check to pay for some new social program It didn't bother me at all. Actually, I take that back, I would piss and moan about it for awhile but before long that extra few bucks was not really misssed. What I cleared on my check was what I cleared on my check and I made the best of it.
By no means do I think there should be some social program for every little problem that comes along in life. But there are some things that we, as individuals and society as a whole cannot afford to risk without some type of safety net.
I really don't think this is some kind of liberal perception. It is what it is. A problem that everyone needs to step up to and agree that we all have got eachothers backs.

:shrug: That's about all I got.


Straight from a lifelong conservative.

Again, when I have to work 50+ hours a week to make ends meet in a below average home with an older than average car, then I am being taxed too much.

stumppy
11-03-2004, 09:51 PM
Again, when I have to work 50+ hours a week to make ends meet in a below average home with an older than average car, then I am being taxed too much.

What happens if you can't work that 50 hrs. ? Can't earn enough money to pay for what you have?

Not trying to be a smartass, but man. You just don't sound very happy with your situation. To put the shoe on the other foot if you weren't able to work and lost your home that "below average" house you have would be looking pretty sweet. It would probably look like a castle to you.
Be happy with what you got man. You are very fortunate.

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 09:55 PM
Be happy with what you got man. You are very fortunate.
Where'd you get that pablum? Boilerplate for management when negotiating with the union bosses?

stumppy
11-03-2004, 10:00 PM
Where'd you get that pablum? Boilerplate for management when negotiating with the union bosses?

ROFL
I didn't say not to aspire for more.

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 10:03 PM
What happens if you can't work that 50 hrs. ? Can't earn enough money to pay for what you have?

Not trying to be a smartass, but man. You just don't sound very happy with your situation. To put the shoe on the other foot if you weren't able to work and lost your home that "below average" house you have would be looking pretty sweet. It would probably look like a castle to you.
Be happy with what you got man. You are very fortunate.
That is nothing but equivocation. And when others stated the same for BrainCase's relative, it was instantly discounted as being cruel. Since I have more as I lived a more appropriate life in my youth, I am told to suck it up and deal with it. There is no logic to the defense.

I lose almost 40% of my money in taxes, probably more that I haven't counted. I have house tax, car tax, income tax, ss, medicare, state tax, federal tax, taxes on all objects I buy. I have surtaxes on almost every single entertainment ticket I buy, I have hidden taxes on my monthly bills.

Yes, some sort of social programs probably should exist - they certainly should not exist to be the monster grabbers they are today.

Inspector
11-03-2004, 10:13 PM
I didn't know the company had to pay the persons wages while they were off work under the FMLA.

The company doesn't have to because of any law. It's part of a union contract.

I'm not so hot on unions either....another story.....

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 10:13 PM
Dang...

and I thought revolting against the 'mandate' bull shit was being radical. ROFL ROFL ROFL


There really is no need in being upset. There is nothing I can do at this point. I can however when the US is worse off in four years, blame a certain party!!

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 10:15 PM
There really is no need in being upset. There is nothing I can do at this point. I can however when the US is worse off in four years, blame a certain party!!
So are you hoping we are worse off or do you hope the party succeeds?

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 10:18 PM
So are you hoping we are worse off or do you hope the party succeeds?

I pray the country is not worse, but I think that it will be. I do think that the party will succeed in lining its pockets.

RedNFeisty
11-03-2004, 10:19 PM
Tell you what....even if Clint didn't vote for GW, why don't you begin with him.... :hmmm:

He has received much worse! :p

KCWolfman
11-03-2004, 10:21 PM
I pray the country is not worse, but I think that it will be. I do think that the party will succeed in lining its pockets.
That didn't answer my question.

Are you hoping we are worse off or the Republicans will succeed?

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2004, 10:27 PM
He has received much worse! :p

I'll bet; I dated a lot of redheads in HS and College....Feisty is good, but it's also a challenge at times... :shake:

BushGaveMeApplePie
11-04-2004, 12:39 AM
How do you guys view Kerry's decision not to concede yet?
I was glad he didn't immediately concede.

Raiderhader
11-04-2004, 09:10 AM
We all make choices Russ. We make choices when we're in high school that affect our lives. We choose to go to college after high school, we choose to join the military, we choose to roll a little latex over the johnson to prevent issue.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation like my cousin. If you do, I hope you don't have to hear people say, "You made the mistakes. Why should I have to pay".

I'll err to the side of compassion. I consider that the Christian thing to do.


Hey Brain, do you realize that you are letting the personal nature of your situation lead to type incosistent statements like this?

Braincase
11-04-2004, 09:37 AM
Hey Brain, do you realize that you are letting the personal nature of your situation lead to type incosistent statements like this?

I don't think it's inconsistent at all. We all make choices. Some mistakes we pay for the rest of our lives, whether it's dropping out of high school, flunking out of college or fathering a child out of wedlock, or marrying some harpy when your 18 because she was the first wench to give you a hummer. What does suck is a social structure that says, "You need these to live, and we'll pay for the meds so long as you don't earn this amount of money." BS. The government has needs for master electricians (like my cousin) but with the rules they have in place, he can't get what he needs to live. Cripes, the guy ought to be teaching at a trade school, but until things get fixed with medical insurance, we're paying for him not to work.

We all have a social responsibility. Sometimes the government enforces that with taxation, sometimes we contribute voluntarily. All situations should be judged on the individual merits of the situation.

I feel for Russ. I'm pretty lucky having one good job and my wife having a good job as well. My kids have what they need and some of what they want. I hope everyone here gets the recognition and rewards on the job for being good employees. I hope for those of you that are in a pinch, real opportunity rears its ugly head and drops a job worth an extra 20k a year in your lap. Or better.

memyselfI
11-04-2004, 09:42 AM
I was glad he didn't immediately concede.


I think he did rather quickly and I was happy about that. I thought there should be NO WAY in HELL he should allow FAUX news call another election and then concede only to have found out later that there might have been reason NOT too. That worked in FL and if DUHbya's cousin is still at FAUX then I'm sure they were hoping it would work again...

Raiderhader
11-04-2004, 09:59 AM
I don't think it's inconsistent at all. We all make choices. Some mistakes we pay for the rest of our lives, whether it's dropping out of high school, flunking out of college or fathering a child out of wedlock, or marrying some harpy when your 18 because she was the first wench to give you a hummer. What does suck is a social structure that says, "You need these to live, and we'll pay for the meds so long as you don't earn this amount of money." BS. The government has needs for master electricians (like my cousin) but with the rules they have in place, he can't get what he needs to live. Cripes, the guy ought to be teaching at a trade school, but until things get fixed with medical insurance, we're paying for him not to work.

We all have a social responsibility. Sometimes the government enforces that with taxation, sometimes we contribute voluntarily. All situations should be judged on the individual merits of the situation.

I feel for Russ. I'm pretty lucky having one good job and my wife having a good job as well. My kids have what they need and some of what they want. I hope everyone here gets the recognition and rewards on the job for being good employees. I hope for those of you that are in a pinch, real opportunity rears its ugly head and drops a job worth an extra 20k a year in your lap. Or better.


I fully agree that paying for people not to work is ridiculous. But that does not make you statements consistent.

You tell Russ that we all make choices that affect our lives and we pretty much have to reap the results of those choices. But when it comes to someone you know and care about, his choices suddenly are not as important as getting him help. There in lies the inconsistency.

The government paying people not to work is just as ridiculous as the government over taxing people and forcing them to work more than one job just to keep from going bankrupt. The entire sytem is f#cked up, therefore my sympathies are for everyone, not just your cousin, but those like Russ as well.