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HolyHandgernade
11-03-2004, 09:52 AM
According to most exit polls if you identified yourself as:

rural/high school educated or less/attended church at least once a week

you voted for Bush


urban/some college or higher/ infrequent church-goer or non-church goer

you voted for Kerry

Guess who outnumbers who?

The Democratic Party is dead. It needs to seriously rethink itself or another party has to step up and market itself as the scientific/secularist/academic party for economic conservatism with an integral approach to individual and social resposibility. The split between men/women whites/minorities and even rich/poor is almost a wash as to which way they vote. If the Republicans can sport at least a moderately successful four years, they may hold the keys to government for a long time.

Looks like I'm goin' independent. I don't fit any of the Bush voter descriptors and the Republicans sure aren't economically conservative anymore.

-HH

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 10:00 AM
According to most exit polls if you identified yourself as:

rural/high school educated or less/attended church at least once a week

you voted for Bush


urban/some college or higher/ infrequent church-goer or non-church goer

you voted for Kerry

Guess who outnumbers who?

The Democratic Party is dead. It needs to seriously rethink itself or another party has to step up and market itself as the scientific/secularist/academic party for economic conservatism with an integral approach to individual and social resposibility. The split between men/women whites/minorities and even rich/poor is almost a wash as to which way they vote. If the Republicans can sport at least a moderately successful four years, they may hold the keys to government for a long time.

Looks like I'm goin' independent. I don't fit any of the Bush voter descriptors and the Republicans sure aren't economically conservative anymore.

-HH

49% of the voting population did not identify with the less educated/church going crowd. The key to winning next time cannot be trying to out militarize or spiritualize the opposition but to offer an alternative to them.

HC_Chief
11-03-2004, 10:02 AM
49% of the voting population did not identify with the less educated/church going crowd. The key to winning next time cannot be trying to out militarize or spiritualize the opposition but to offer an alternative to them.

:spock:
Uh, you lost <i>because</i> your candidate was spiritually bankrupt and a pussy in terms of the military. You really are completely out of touch with reality.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:00 AM
I love how being less educated goes along with being a church goer. :shake:

cdcox
11-03-2004, 11:03 AM
This urban, Ph.D., church goer voted for Bush.

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 11:04 AM
:spock:
Uh, you lost <i>because</i> your candidate was spiritually bankrupt and a pussy in terms of the military. You really are completely out of touch with reality.

No.

3+ million more folks were willing to believe that Kerry wanted to ban the Bible, that Americans are hated for their 'freedom' and that a gay married couple are going to move in next door and molest your son...

that is why.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2004, 11:05 AM
I like exit polls...I especially enjoy telling them false statements to questions

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:06 AM
No.

3+ million more folks were willing to believe that Kerry wanted to ban the Bible, that Americans is hated for their 'freedom' and that a gay married couple are going to move in next door and molest your son...

that is why.
just like I thought. Church goers are labeled as paranoid nutjobs. :shake:

HolyHandgernade
11-03-2004, 11:06 AM
I love how being less educated goes along with being a church goer. :shake:

Those were the exit poll distinctions. And the two are not necessarily related. You could be college educated and a regular church goer and the regular church goer description says you probably voted for Bush.

To be a Kerry voter you had to be none of those three (rural/high school/ church goer).

-HH

DenverChief
11-03-2004, 11:06 AM
This urban, Ph.D., church goer voted for Bush.

PhD in what?

Brock
11-03-2004, 11:07 AM
More sore loserisms from the left. I love it.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:09 AM
Those were the exit poll distinctions. And the two are not necessarily related. You could be college educated and a regular church goer and the regular church goer description says you probably voted for Bush.

To be a Kerry voter you had to be none of those three (rural/high school/ church goer).

-HH
It still says to me to a point that if you are not as well educated you will vote for Bush. I know the polls said what you posted but it still pisses me off.

Bearcat2005
11-03-2004, 11:10 AM
No.

3+ million more folks were willing to believe that Kerry wanted to ban the Bible, that Americans are hated for their 'freedom' and that a gay married couple are going to move in next door and molest your son...

that is why.
Make your excuses, your reasoning lacks logic! I am tired of it, so go ahead tell us why Bush won, truth is most americans saw the war in Iraq as a war on terror, they wanted a man of character in the WH and did not see that in Kerry. Those reasons are why GWB is YOUR president for 4 more years so you better get used to it b/c I don't want you bitching about it for 4 years!

NewChief
11-03-2004, 11:12 AM
reasons are why GWB is YOUR president for 4 more years so you better get used to it b/c I don't want you bitching about it for 4 years!

Umm, yah. The opposition will all silently sit back and let GWB do whatever. Riiiiiiiight.

Get ready for more of the same for the next four years, but probably even nastier.

Brock
11-03-2004, 11:12 AM
Obviously the left can't keep their stories straight. Before the election it's "A high turnout is good for democrats", then after they got their asses kicked, it's "We're outnumbered by rednecks". You lost because America doesn't believe your line of BS anymore, period.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:13 AM
Umm, yah. The opposition will all silently sit back and let GWB do whatever. Riiiiiiiight.

Get ready for more of the same for the next four years, but probably even nastier.
I think your right 100%

Brock
11-03-2004, 11:14 AM
Umm, yah. The opposition will all silently sit back and let GWB do whatever. Riiiiiiiight.

Get ready for more of the same for the next four years, but probably even nastier.

Get over yourself. The Repubs control congress, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. It's over for you for quite some time.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:16 AM
Get over yourself. The Repubs control congress, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. It's over for you for quite some time.
I WOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LESS FROM THEM

ENDelt260
11-03-2004, 11:16 AM
I thought this thread was about a new shop at the mall where I could buy a $30 t-shirt.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:17 AM
I thought this thread was about a new shop at the mall where I could buy a $30 t-shirt.
ROFL

memyselfI
11-03-2004, 11:18 AM
Umm, yah. The opposition will all silently sit back and let GWB do whatever. Riiiiiiiight.

Get ready for more of the same for the next four years, but probably even nastier.


Nasty is a state of mind...

IMO, it's called RESISTANCE. Americans have just told the world that the barely legitimate president presiding over a worldwide unpopular war and foreign policy have their blessing to continue status quo and beyond.

My argument had always been that the world would not disdain the AMERICAN PEOPLE because they could separate the actions of a controversially elected president from an electorate that did not popularly elect him....

but NOW, the same cannot be said. In fact, he's been given MORE power. Thus, the resistance will be to try to show the world that not EVERY American supports the administration's foreign policy and as such not every American should be held accountable for it.

KC Jones
11-03-2004, 11:18 AM
The Democratic Party is dead. It needs to seriously rethink itself or another party has to step up and market itself as the scientific/secularist/academic party for economic conservatism with an integral approach to individual and social resposibility. The split between men/women whites/minorities and even rich/poor is almost a wash as to which way they vote. If the Republicans can sport at least a moderately successful four years, they may hold the keys to government for a long time.

Looks like I'm goin' independent. I don't fit any of the Bush voter descriptors and the Republicans sure aren't economically conservative anymore.

-HH

This is the boat I'm in. In recent years I've become much more conservative in my political leanings, but find that I cannot identify with the Republican party because of their evolution away from traditional conservative principles and their disdain for science.

There is no party that represents my moderate POV. Both parties are too far away from center.

BIG_DADDY
11-03-2004, 11:19 AM
Go Libertarian.

Kraut
11-03-2004, 11:20 AM
Nasty is a state of mind...

IMO, it's called RESISTANCE. Americans have just told the world that the barely legitimate president presiding over a worldwide unpopular war and foreign policy have their blessing to continue status quo and beyond.

My argument had always been that the world would not disdain the AMERICAN PEOPLE because they could separate the actions of a controversially elected president from an electorate that did not popularly elect him....

but NOW, the same cannot be said. Infact, he's been given MORE power. Thus, the resistance will be to try to show the world that not EVERY American supports the administration's foreign policy and as such not every American should be held accountable for it.
Your just Friggin amazing :shake:

HC_Chief
11-03-2004, 11:20 AM
Go Libertarian.

Easy to say, but hard to do when they put a nutjob like Bandarik up for election.

BIG_DADDY
11-03-2004, 11:21 AM
This is the boat I'm in. In recent years I've become much more conservative in my political leanings, but find that I cannot identify with the Republican party because of their evolution away from traditional conservative principles and their disdain for science.

There is no party that represents my moderate POV. Both parties are too far away from center.

What is the middle anyway? I am fiscally conservative and morally liberal on many issues. I really like what the Libertarian party is all about.

BIG_DADDY
11-03-2004, 11:22 AM
Easy to say, but hard to do when they put a nutjob like Bandarik up for election.

Th party needs more support.

Bwana
11-03-2004, 11:22 AM
Nasty is a state of mind...

IMO, it's called RESISTANCE. Americans have just told the world that the barely legitimate president presiding over a worldwide unpopular war and foreign policy have their blessing to continue status quo and beyond.

My argument had always been that the world would not disdain the AMERICAN PEOPLE because they could separate the actions of a controversially elected president from an electorate that did not popularly elect him....

but NOW, the same cannot be said. Infact, he's been given MORE power. Thus, the resistance will be to try to show the world that not EVERY American supports the administration's foreign policy and as such not every American should be held accountable for it.

4 MORE YEARS! Deal with it. :thumb:

HC_Chief
11-03-2004, 11:23 AM
Th party needs more support.
IMO they need a legitimate voice. They keep trotting nutballs out there instead of people who actually conform to their ideals. Rather than trying to become a legitimate third party, it appears to me that they're simply an answer to the leftist irrelevants (eg Green party)

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 11:29 AM
after they got their asses kicked, it's "We're outnumbered by rednecks"
Can I bask in self congratulation in observing that;
They're not worried about the privacy. They're insulted that Kerry would presume that they hate homosexuals so much that the mere suggestion that the ticket has a tough of teh ghey would make them sit at home on election day.
And the further development that this gambit blew up in their faces?

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 11:33 AM
Americans have just told the world that the barely legitimate president presiding over a worldwide unpopular war and foreign policy have their blessing to continue status quo and beyond.
A 4 million margin of victory and the most votes in the history of the Republic has officially ERASED your right to call Bush 'barely legitimate.' Any continued insistence in this vein pushes your mental facility into the
'barely legitimate' ledger.

KC Jones
11-03-2004, 12:27 PM
What is the middle anyway? I am fiscally conservative and morally liberal on many issues. I really like what the Libertarian party is all about.

I believe in a happy medium of economic regulation because the market does not regulate itself. That pretty much puts me out of the libertarian camp.

Frankly, I consider libertarians to be almost as dangerous as socialists in their objectives to have almost no government. Opposite ends of the spectrum from socialists but equally bad. Traditionally libertarians believe in a weak military (only sufficient for national defense - nothing for projecting force worldwide or fighting two fronts), a court system, and not much else. There are of course differences of opinion within the libertarian camp, but I look at ending all publicly funded research, the CDC, public roads, public parks, etc. as incredibly bad ideas. Government is not the source of all evil, man is. Government is just one tool that can be used for the execution of 'evil'. For me the middle is all about striving for balance between all the extreme positions - finding the balance between too little government and too much government.

cdcox
11-03-2004, 12:31 PM
PhD in what?

Environmental Engineering. Ooops, another seeming contradiction.

Cochise
11-03-2004, 12:31 PM
A 4 million margin of victory and the most votes in the history of the Republic has officially ERASED your right to call Bush 'barely legitimate.' Any continued insistence in this vein pushes your mental facility into the
'barely legitimate' ledger.

Would a 'barely legitimate' President have made a ~5 million vote swing in his favor, nationally?

Seems he's even light years more legitimate than last time around.

Cochise
11-03-2004, 12:32 PM
BTW, suburban, bachelor's degree, semi-frequent church goer for Bush

Baby Lee
11-03-2004, 12:45 PM
BTW, suburban, bachelor's degree, semi-frequent church goer for Bush
urban, white collar, blue collar neighborhood, JD, not a church goer, but that's because the applicable churches around me are at odds with my particular views.

What's ironic [to me] is I was thinking about how I ended up where I have, philosophically. My parents are - Dad: a lifelong union guy, son of a lifelong union guy, only he's unionized at Bendix-Allied Signal-Honeywell, a defense contractor, making him a union HAWK [who by way of prior ownership has a ton of Halliburton stock in the pension plan, but also nearly got laid off when Halliburton failed to slough it's asbestos liabilities ;)]. Mom: a socially conservative federal employee. Some strange demographic niches, eh?