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Mythjp
11-15-2004, 10:54 AM
:hmmm: I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. :shake: Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse. :banghead:

Mile High Mania
11-15-2004, 10:55 AM
Put on something that is flame retardent...

HC_Chief
11-15-2004, 10:58 AM
I wouldn't be shocked by a KC blowout over NE a week from tonight. This team is schizo. The O is certainly capable of hanging 40 on any D.

FAX
11-15-2004, 10:58 AM
Can't we just discuss rat dogs instead?

FAX

cash1000
11-15-2004, 10:59 AM
Carl is gonna invite you down at halftime to do the interview on ABC. When Madden ask why the Chiefs are 3-6 this year you just stand there and grin and yell 'go Chiefs"!!!!!

jspchief
11-15-2004, 11:00 AM
KC will kick NE's ass. Our defense will leave a permanent impression on Brady's psyche.

We only beat teams that we have no business beating, after performances that makes us believe we will never win again. The Pats are screwed.

BigRedChief
11-15-2004, 11:00 AM
I would post here if this was an "Official" thread. but since its not I'll just say.......

This thread is worthless without pics.

FringeNC
11-15-2004, 11:12 AM
It's a big game on national tv against a good team. The Chiefs will concentrate, and just might win...

The Chiefs' players lack focus when playing poor teams. It is an undisciplined team.

Rain Man
11-15-2004, 11:14 AM
10-6, baby. 10-6. Once we're in the playoffs, we'll be a bull in a china shop in an elevator.

MichaelH
11-15-2004, 11:15 AM
We only beat teams that we have no business beating, after performances that makes us believe we will never win again. The Pats are screwed.

Does this mean the Chiefs have become the official playoff team spoiler for 2004?

Cannibal
11-15-2004, 11:34 AM
I think this last loss has finally demoralized the team, especially the Offense. I don't think we'll see the players on either side give 100% for the rest of the year they know the season is over just as well as we do.

We'll probably get blown out at home on Monday Night.

e_train69
11-15-2004, 11:41 AM
It will be very interesting to see how these players respond on MNF, knowing their season is on the brink of being over.

If Priest can't go on Monday night then the Chiefs will lose handily.

If Priest plays, I expect KC will win.

vckcchiefs04
11-15-2004, 11:42 AM
Welcome to the Chiefs world Cannibal......if you have any idea what the Chiefs are about you know what is going to happen on Monday night..... they will be up and endup spanking the Pats. This is how the Chiefs work, then they will beat the Chargers, well. Then their heads will spin back around and lose to the freakin faiders and titans. Wake up, this is how this team works.

Cannibal
11-15-2004, 11:45 AM
Welcome to the Chiefs world Cannibal......if you have any idea what the Chiefs are about you know what is going to happen on Monday night..... they will be up and endup spanking the Pats. This is how the Chiefs work, then they will beat the Chargers, well. The their heads will spin back around and lose to the freakin faiders and titans. Wake up, this is how this team works.

You might be correct.

But I have a feeling the Chiefs will give up after the last two losses in which they worked so hard and could have won, but ended up beating themselves.

We'll probably finish around 6-10 IMO.

MichaelH
11-15-2004, 11:46 AM
I would expect Priest to play next Monday night. If he's out again, his injury is worse than we're hearing.

ENDelt260
11-15-2004, 11:47 AM
they will be up and endup spanking the Pats. This is how the Chiefs work, then they will beat the Chargers, well. Then their heads will spin back around and lose to the freakin faiders and titans.

That sounds about right.

dtebbe
11-15-2004, 11:47 AM
I hope our guys will treat this like the Superbowl, since it's the closest they are going to get this year. At least they are playing a team that will likely be there.

At this point I really think the Arrowhead crowd has been a HUGE factor in the chiefs wins this year. Just look at the two games the Chiefs pulled out at home. Those were big wins agains quality teams.

DT

husky71
11-15-2004, 11:49 AM
Patriots fan here. I was recommended to this site by a chiefs fan who posts on Patriots.com MB. I expect to post sometime early this week, maybe even today. I just ask for intelligent, knowledgeable fans to discuss topics with.

ENDelt260
11-15-2004, 11:52 AM
I just ask for intelligent, knowledgeable fans to discuss topics with.

Oooohhh... that might be tough to come by.

Could we interest you in some dick and fart jokes?

vckcchiefs04
11-15-2004, 11:56 AM
Oooohhh... that might be tough to come by.

Could we interest you in some dick and fart jokes?
:clap: Classic!!!! ROFL

MichaelH
11-15-2004, 11:57 AM
I expect to post sometime early this week, maybe even today.

How prophetic!! :)

cadmonkey
11-15-2004, 11:58 AM
Oooohhh... that might be tough to come by.

Could we interest you in some dick and fart jokes?


That really is all you have to offer anyways.... :)

Gaz
11-15-2004, 11:59 AM
I hope that the Chiefs Defense roughs up Brady and has the WRs wetting their pants any time they think about catching a ball over the middle.

I expect the Patriots to spread the field and pass at will up and down the field.

I hope the Chiefs Offense plays an entire game and shows that they deserve the #1 Offense ranking.

I expect them to move the ball, disappear for a while and then botch a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter.

xoxo~
Gaz
Between The Fan and The Engineer.

Amnorix
11-15-2004, 12:00 PM
I expect them to move the ball, disappear for a while and then botch a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter..


That is par for the course for Patriot games. Nearly EVERY opponent was within 7 points in the 4th quarter during the Patriots 21 game winning streak...

Amnorix
11-15-2004, 12:01 PM
Patriots fan here. I was recommended to this site by a chiefs fan who posts on Patriots.com MB. I expect to post sometime early this week, maybe even today. I just ask for intelligent, knowledgeable fans to discuss topics with.
Sorry, none here. But here are a bunch of nearly naked hot chicks!!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=23335




:):p

cadmonkey
11-15-2004, 12:02 PM
I hope that the Chiefs Defense roughs up Brady and has the WRs wetting their pants any time they think about catching a ball over the middle.

I expect the Patriots to spread the field and pass at will up and down the field.

I hope the Chiefs Offense plays an entire game and shows that they deserve the #1 Offense ranking.

I expect them to move the ball, disappear for a while and then botch a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter.

xoxo~
Gaz
Between The Fan and The Engineer.



Santa,
I would like a red bicycle, a beebee gun and new football. Not the big lump of sh*t you keep leaving in my stocking. ROFL

Bob Dole
11-15-2004, 12:02 PM
Rich Scanlon will dominate this game on 2 sides of the ball.

Offense, defense, and special teams.

Gaz
11-15-2004, 12:03 PM
Santa,
I would like a red bicycle, a beebee gun and new football. Not the big lump of sh*t you keep leaving in my stocking. ROFL

I must have been REALLY bad this year.

xoxo~
Gaz
The reason for the crummy season.

BigRedChief
11-15-2004, 12:04 PM
I hope that the Chiefs Defense roughs up Brady and has the WRs wetting their pants any time they think about catching a ball over the middle.


We are way too soft on defense. Our safeties are playing like JV High Schoolers.

go bowe
11-15-2004, 12:05 PM
Rich Scanlon will dominate this game on 2 sides of the ball.

Offense, defense, and special teams.don't forget coaching... :deevee:

cadmonkey
11-15-2004, 12:08 PM
Sorry, none here. But here are a bunch of nearly naked hot chicks!!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=23335




:):p


That's right, show them the promise land. I've been............it's beautiful! :)

Mile High Mania
11-15-2004, 12:09 PM
Dillon should have a damn fine game.

cadmonkey
11-15-2004, 12:10 PM
I must have been REALLY bad this year.

xoxo~
Gaz
The reason for the crummy season.



I am not here to judge.......just to poke fun, laugh a little bit at other expense, and look at/post half naked wwomen in the girly thread.

cadmonkey
11-15-2004, 12:11 PM
Dillon should have a damn fine game.


I don't see why not, he is averaging almost 5 yards per carry already.

Gaz
11-15-2004, 12:12 PM
We are way too soft on defense. Our safeties are playing like JV High Schoolers.

That is why I differentiate between what I hope will happen and what I expect will happen.

Hope is expectation without justification.

xoxo~
Gaz
Prepared to have his hopes of a potent D dashed yet again.

Mythjp
11-16-2004, 06:38 AM
Now thats more like it! Chiefs do a heck of a job against teams that play high school D. Like the Colts. I loved watching Manning react to your scoring time after time. But you are playing against the real thing this week. Patriots are the #3 D in points aloud with a total of 152. Your Chiefs have given up 238 points You give up 26.4 points pergame.
The Pats are giving up only 16.9 points pergame. The Chiefs give up more Yards passing and rushing than the Patriots do. And the Chiefs give up more sacks. You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots. I hope the Chiefs do get up for the game. It will make it much more intresting. If they don't get up for it the game will be over before the first half is. With the Patriots blowing the Chiefs right out of Arrowhead. I do want to give you folks credit many of your replys in this thread had me LOL :thumb: A good sign that you really are inteligent fans :clap:

the Talking Can
11-16-2004, 06:42 AM
our defense is awesome, really....it is not the reason we suck.....really

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 06:43 AM
Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

Top that off with the DB injuries that NE has and I say KC has a shot...especially at home.

Mythjp
11-16-2004, 07:26 AM
Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

Top that off with the DB injuries that NE has and I say KC has a shot...especially at home.
Say What? Chiefs are giving up 116.9 yards rushing per game.
Patriots are giving up 111.3 rushing yards per game.
And you say The Chiefs Run D is better.
Patriots have faced RBs E.James, E.Smith, Travis Henry, W.McGahee, S. Alexander, C.Martin, D.Staley, J Bettis, and M. Faulk All 100 yard + rushers pergame this season. Only the Colts and Steelers got over 100 yards against the Patriots.
How bad do you think your Run D would have been had you faced that kind of talent week after week.

Lzen
11-16-2004, 07:35 AM
Now thats more like it! Chiefs do a heck of a job against teams that play high school D. Like the Colts. I loved watching Manning react to your scoring time after time. But you are playing against the real thing this week. Patriots are the #3 D in points aloud with a total of 152. Your Chiefs have given up 238 points You give up 26.4 points pergame.
The Pats are giving up only 16.9 points pergame. The Chiefs give up more Yards passing and rushing than the Patriots do. And the Chiefs give up more sacks. You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots. I hope the Chiefs do get up for the game. It will make it much more intresting. If they don't get up for it the game will be over before the first half is. With the Patriots blowing the Chiefs right out of Arrowhead. I do want to give you folks credit many of your replys in this thread had me LOL :thumb: A good sign that you really are inteligent fans :clap:

The Chiefs have been playing like down to their competition the last few games. Yeah, I know that sounds funny for a team that is 3-6. Frankly, most Chiefs fans had much higher expectations for this season. The offense can pretty much score on anybody. The Bucs have a pretty stellar D and the Chiefs put up 31 on them at their place. Hell, it should've been at least another TD and maybe even 2.

In the games where they haven't scored as much, the offense just shot themselves in the foot a few too many times - i.e. Saints, Jaguars.

They went into Baltimore and dominated a damn fine defense. So, don't tell me the Chiefs have not faced a good defense. I'm sorry but Belicek doesn't own the copyright on how to play good defense.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 07:36 AM
Say What? Chiefs are giving up 116.9 yards rushing per game.
Patriots are giving up 111.3 rushing yards per game.
And you say The Chiefs Run D is better.
Patriots have faced RBs E.James, E.Smith, Travis Henry, W.McGahee, S. Alexander, C.Martin, D.Staley, J Bettis, and M. Faulk All 100 yard + rushers pergame this season. Only the Colts and Steelers got over 100 yards against the Patriots.
How bad do you think your Run D would have been had you faced that kind of talent week after week.

I hadnt bothered to look up the latest stats, but prior to this weekend, NE was worse. Fortunately for you, you faced Buffalo and lowered your average.

I throw out Smith, Henry, McGahee, and Faulk from your list...sorry, they're not what they were or even started yet.

KC did face James, he had 33 yards rushing.

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

The only game they've played with more than a 7 pt deficit was the Steelers game and the team folded it up. KC has a good a shot as any to put NE down a quick 14...assuming KC doesnt fumble the ball on the 5 or throw an pick resulting in a 102 yd int return for a TD on the 2nd possession of the game.

*edit* NE's schedule has been much like KC's schedule last year--cakewalk. I'd like to see NE face Jamal Lewis.

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 07:39 AM
There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

Right, so when we take the lead on Monday night we won't have to worry about you guys running either.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 07:40 AM
Right, so when we take the lead on Monday night we won't have to worry about you guys running either.

I wouldnt bet on that. KC's been in every game they've played and have yet to abandon the run.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 07:46 AM
Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.
ROFLROFL

errr....no.

Rushing Yards Allowed:

Pats: 4.1
Chiefs: 4.8

Average Rushing Yards Per Play of Opponents Faced:

Patriots:
Seattle: 4.9
St. Louis: 4.8
Jets: 4.6
Indy: 4.3
Pittsburgh: 4.1
Az: 3.8
Miami: 3.5
Buffalo: 3.5 (x2)

Chiefs:

Atl: 5.0
Indy: 4.6
Denver: 4.2
Jax: 4.1
Ravens: 4.0
NO: 4.0
Carolina: 3.8
TB: 3.7
Houston: 3.4

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 07:46 AM
You might try reading the subsequent posts...

Lzen
11-16-2004, 07:48 AM
Another thing to add to my last post. Atlanta would be ranked 3rd in points allowed(which would be 2 spots better than the Pats as they are currently ranked 4th - http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-SCORING/2004/regular ) if you take away the 56 that our offense hung over their top ranked D. Say what you will but our offense can score points

As for our defense, it hasn't been very good this year, no doubt. But the run defense has improved. For the record, the Chiefs have faced some good runners, as well: Deuce McAllister (great back if he can stay healthy), Edgerrin James, DeShawn Foster (everyone says he's the best backup RB in the league, could be starting for most any other team), Jamal Lewis, Mike Vick (hey, he can run as well as any RB). I'm not saying the Chiefs defense is stellar by any means. But your point about having faced good RBs doesn't mean a whole lot to Chiefs fans.

It's the pass defense that is really killing us.

bideau
11-16-2004, 07:49 AM
I hadnt bothered to look up the latest stats, but prior to this weekend, NE was worse. Fortunately for you, you faced Buffalo and lowered your average.

I throw out Smith, Henry, McGahee, and Faulk from your list...sorry, they're not what they were or even started yet.

KC did face James, he had 33 yards rushing.

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

The only game they've played with more than a 7 pt deficit was the Steelers game and the team folded it up. KC has a good a shot as any to put NE down a quick 14...assuming KC doesnt fumble the ball on the 5 or throw an pick resulting in a 102 yd int return for a TD on the 2nd possession of the game.

*edit* NE's schedule has been much like KC's schedule last year--cakewalk. I'd like to see NE face Jamal Lewis.

James was essentially allowed to run on the Pats. The game planned called for making the Colts work their way down the field and wait for the inevitable Colt choke. They refused to allow Manning to make big plays to his receivers.

McGahee was coming off three consecutive 100+ games.

Against the Steelers, the Pats flat out sucked. Pitt's first two possessions were 3 and out, then on the 3rd, Law went down with is injury. Next play was a bomb over his replacement. Another TD was a pick returned to the house. Having to play catchup usually results in the defense being on the field alot. Pitt comitted to the run at that point and just wore the Pats D down.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 07:53 AM
McGahee was coming off three consecutive 100+ games.

McGahee had 2 straight 100 yd games against NY Giants and Arizona...58 against Baltimore 3 weeks ago and 100+ against Miami 4 weeks ago.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 07:54 AM
You might try reading the subsequent posts...

I went back and did so. You're definitely wrong, but whatever.

1. Teams are are behind tend to have MORE success running the ball because it's less expected. Teams that are ahead are playing to defend the big pass play. Your argument that being ahead results in a better run defense PER RUSH makes no sense.

2. Rushing yards per GAME is an irrelevant stat. I ignore it, as I do all "per game" statistics. They're nearly meaningless.

3. Chiefs are allowing more than half a yard MORE PER RUSH than the Patriots.

4. As shown in my post, the Patriots have played three superb running teams (Seattle, St. Louis, Jets (all averaging 4.5+ yards per rush), three average/solid run teams (Indy, Steelers, Arizona (right around 4.0 per rush), and 3 mediocre running teams (Miami and Buff x2). The Chiefs have played 2 superb, 5 average, and 2 mediocre running teams. That's pretty close to a wash.

Lzen
11-16-2004, 07:54 AM
.....You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots.....

You know, this comment here says all I need to know. This is the kind of arrogance that is bred when a team wins a couple SBs. That's the only reason why I'm sick of the Pats and fans like this. Reminds me of the Cowboys fans back in the early to mid 90s. Yeah, your team is doing well but, it won't last forever. And your statement is false, btw.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 07:57 AM
You know, this comment here says all I need to know. This is the kind of arrogance that is bred when a team wins a couple SBs. That's the only reason why I'm sick of the Pats and fans like this. Reminds me of the Cowboys fans back in the early to mid 90s. Yeah, your team is doing well but, it won't last forever. And your statement is false, btw.

I disagree with the initial post. I will say that I don't think the Chiefs have faced as good a team, on both sides of the ball, as the Patriots. I put only the Steelers and *maybe* the Iggles into that category this year. The Colts defense is still a joke, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

Ravens and some of hte other teams the Chiefs have played have very good defenses.

KC can hang 20+ on anybody. It isn't about stopping them, it's about limiting them.

Lzen
11-16-2004, 07:59 AM
I disagree with the initial post. I will say that I don't think the Chiefs have faced as good a team, on both sides of the ball, as the Patriots. I put only the Steelers and *maybe* the Iggles into that category this year. The Colts defense is still a joke, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

Ravens and some of hte other teams the Chiefs have played have very good defenses.

KC can hang 20+ on anybody. It isn't about stopping them, it's about limiting them.

That's a much more well thought out assessment.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:00 AM
I went back and did so. You're definitely wrong, but whatever.

1. Teams are are behind tend to have MORE success running the ball because it's less expected. Teams that are ahead are playing to defend the big pass play. Your argument that being ahead results in a better run defense PER RUSH makes no sense.

What? Teams that are behind have to play catch up which means passing the ball. Cmon, Amno, you're smarter than that. Ive never seen football game where a team down by more than 10 starts running the ball more than passing it.

Running the ball is just one facet of the game. The Pats have had a cake schedule this year and has had the benefit of playing with big leads. Even the Seattle game, NE jumped out to a 10 point lead early and that pretty much took SA out of the game--it was 20-6 at half time.

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 08:10 AM
:hmmm: I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. :shake: Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse. :banghead:



Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

bideau
11-16-2004, 08:14 AM
Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run :hmmm:

And just an FYI, the Pats have sold out every game since '94 and have a season ticket waiting list of over 50,000.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:16 AM
Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run :hmmm:

Yes, luck...who knew that a 6th rd QB would have the impact he's had. That's winning the lottery, IMO, much like KC did with Holmes.

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 08:17 AM
Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run :hmmm:

And just an FYI, the Pats have sold out every game since '94 and have a season ticket waiting list of over 50,000.


Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

Annihilus
11-16-2004, 08:18 AM
Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

What, are you kidding? I hope so.

You want to see some gloating mofo's, hop on over to a Steeler's board.

We're still getting annoying ass trolls and we didn't even play them this week. I hope to God we get them again in the playoffs.

Seriously though, like any team we've got our bandwaggoners - but there's a whole ton of us who've been around for a coon's age too. I must admit though, winning does make it easier to come out and visit other boards though.

Annihilus
11-16-2004, 08:19 AM
Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

Yep, and both of us are enjoying the ride - thanks.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:21 AM
We're still getting annoying ass trolls and we didn't even play them this week. I hope to God we get them again in the playoffs.

We got some really annoying Steeler trolls last year before the KC/Pitt game. The 40-10 win kept them from coming back. I can only imagine how insufferable they would have been had KC lost.

bideau
11-16-2004, 08:22 AM
Yes, luck...who knew that a 6th rd QB would have the impact he's had. That's winning the lottery, IMO, much like KC did with Holmes.

To some extent, luck had something to do with getting Brady.

The story usually told says that the Pats were looking to pick up a project QB late in the 2000 draft. Someone they could put on the practice squad and try to develop. The QB coach at the time strongly recommended Brady and Belichick went along. So luck, yes. But give credit to the coach who scouted him.

When Holmes was a free agent in Baltimore, the Pats tried to sign him. At least two teams saw his potential at the time.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 08:23 AM
What? [b]Teams that are behind have to play catch up which means passing the ball.[b] Cmon, Amno, you're smarter than that. Ive never seen football game where a team down by more than 10 starts running the ball more than passing it.

Running the ball is just one facet of the game. The Pats have had a cake schedule this year and has had the benefit of playing with big leads. Even the Seattle game, NE jumped out to a 10 point lead early and that pretty much took SA out of the game--it was 20-6 at half time.

Somehow we're completely talking past each other.

1. Teams that are behind tend to throw more and run less, especially as it gets later in the game.

2. Teams that are ahead tend to emphasize pass defense, in order to prevent quick scoring.

3. Pats have had an easier schedule than last year, but it's not a total cakewalk. Pittsburgh, Indy, Seattle, St. Louis and the Jets are all serious teams capable of beating anyone in any given week. My "back of the envelope" math tells me that the Patriots have played teams with a combined record of 41-40, while the Chiefs have played teams with a combined record of 44-37. HOWEVER!!! Since the Patriots are 8-1 and the Chiefs are 3-6, if you deduct those games, and go with a "record against OTHER opponents" metric, you get a Pats opponent combined record of 40-32 compared to 38-34 for the Chiefs. So I'm afraid your "you've had a tougher schedule to deal with" doesn't get too far.

bideau
11-16-2004, 08:25 AM
Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

Haven't you ever heard....size doesn't matter.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:29 AM
3. Pats have had an easier schedule than last year, but it's not a total cakewalk. Pittsburgh, Indy, Seattle, St. Louis and the Jets are all serious teams capable of beating anyone in any given week. My "back of the envelope" math tells me that the Patriots have played teams with a combined record of 41-40, while the Chiefs have played teams with a combined record of 44-37. HOWEVER!!! Since the Patriots are 8-1 and the Chiefs are 3-6, if you deduct those games, and go with a "record against OTHER opponents" metric, you get a Pats opponent combined record of 40-32 compared to 38-34 for the Chiefs. So I'm afraid your "you've had a tougher schedule to deal with" doesn't get too far.

Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 08:31 AM
Haven't you ever heard....size doesn't matter.



Maybe in your world it doesn't matter,,,,but in my world,,size is very important.:thumb:

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 08:33 AM
Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

Any Given Sunday,,,,,,I love that movie.:thumb:

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 08:33 AM
Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

I really don't think that a team who has had a schedule against teams with an aggregate .500 winning record has a "cakewalk" schedule. At least, not yet.

I DO think that by the end of the year, it may well be proven that the Patriots schedule for the entire season was a cakewalk. We have 7 games left, including ones against the 1-8 Dolphins and 2-7 Niners, the Bungals and Browns.

But the first half schedule does not appear to have been a cakewalk by any means.

bobbything
11-16-2004, 08:34 AM
This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why?

KC has absolutely no room to even mention the word defense. Our best defense this year has been Holmes, Green, Gonzo, Roaf, and Co. They stay on the field, Wesley, Holliday, Fujita, Mitchell, and Warfield are on the bench.

Any KC fan who uses the word "defense" to describe the team, and then tries to compare it to New England should be bukkaked in whale spunk.

That being said, New England cannot say we've "never seen a defense like this, bla bla bla." I don't care what you bring, KC can, and will, light anyone up for 30+. Only if KC scores 35+ then will they win this game, though. But, make no mistake, our offense will light you up, on a nationally televised game, at Camarohead.

But, KC will still find some way to lose.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:37 AM
This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why?

A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 08:40 AM
I really don't think that a team who has had a schedule against teams with an aggregate .500 winning record has a "cakewalk" schedule. At least, not yet.

I DO think that by the end of the year, it may well be proven that the Patriots schedule for the entire season was a cakewalk. We have 7 games left, including ones against the 1-8 Dolphins and 2-7 Niners, the Bungals and Browns.

But the first half schedule does not appear to have been a cakewalk by any means.

A .500 aggregate record is what the league office is hoping for...so I dont find it altogether suprising. That said, actually looking at the schedule that includes Arizona, Dolphins 2x, Buffalo 2x, Niners and Cleveland helps more than hurts.

bobbything
11-16-2004, 09:10 AM
A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.
Absolutely not. KC has given up 7 rushes of 20 yards or more. NE has given up 2. And not only has KC given up 17 passing TD's to NE's 9, KC gives up the 2nd most passing yards per attempt in the NFL.

Stats per game are meaningless. You cannot compare these two defenses on any level.

Edit: KC has also given up 10 rushing TD's to NE's 5.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:15 AM
A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

Seriously, it's just not.

I'm sure I could pull out Corey Dillon's statistics and Tom Brady's sack numbers and stuff and make what sounds like a decent comparison of the Patriots offensive line to yours, but seriously although I like our line and think it does yoeman's work and is fabulously well coached by the best assistant coach you never heard of whose name nobody can remember or spell anyway (Dante Scarnecchia), I just wouldn't bother to do it.

You're comparing your defense to one that has been the prime component of winning 21 games in a row and 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls. We have 3 1st round draft picks on the defensive line, including All-Pro Richard Seymour. Our LBs consist of multiple pro bowler Willie McGinest, and perennially excellent Tedy Bruschi. Rodney Harrison is awesome in run defense and overall.

And you're comparing Huey, Dewey and Louie to these guys. It just doesn't float.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 09:16 AM
Absolutely not. KC has given up 7 rushes of 20 yards or more. NE has given up 2. And not only has KC given up 17 passing TD's to NE's 9, KC gives up the 2nd most passing yards per attempt in the NFL.

Stats per game are meaningless. You cannot compare these two defenses on any level.

I would never begin to compare passing defenses, KC is obviously worse. Again, when discussing the rushing defense, it's easier to defend against the run when the team is playing with a 10-14 point lead. The other team has to pass to catch up.

You use stats and then state stats are meaningless...ok, I follow that.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:17 AM
A .500 aggregate record is what the league office is hoping for...so I dont find it altogether suprising. That said, actually looking at the schedule that includes Arizona, Dolphins 2x, Buffalo 2x, Niners and Cleveland helps more than hurts.

Yes, BUT WE HAVE NOT PLAYED HALF OF THOSE GAMES YET. At THIS point, both the Chiefs and Patriots have played an "average" schedule. By the end of the year, as I already said, the Pats will probably have an easier than average schedule, in retrospect.

Seriously -- you're smart, and I know you're smart. Why are you acting dumb?

And Arizona is 4-5, which *coughisbetterthantheChiefs* so I'm not sure I'd be so quick to diss them.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:18 AM
I would never begin to compare passing defenses, KC is obviously worse. Again, when discussing the rushing defense, it's easier to defend against the run when the team is playing with a 10-14 point lead. The other team has to pass to catch up.

So it's your contention that a team with the lead will focus on stopping the RUN?!?!?!

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 09:19 AM
You're comparing your defense to one that has been the prime component of winning 21 games in a row and 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls. We have 3 1st round draft picks on the defensive line, including All-Pro Richard Seymour. Our LBs consist of multiple pro bowler Willie McGinest, and perennially excellent Tedy Bruschi. Rodney Harrison is awesome in run defense and overall.

And you're comparing Huey, Dewey and Louie to these guys. It just doesn't float.

What Im saying is in a close game, I think KC can run on NE and will run on NE. I think KC could do to NE what it did to Baltimore.

KC's strength is rushing offense, NE's weak spot is run defense...that's what Im saying. Saying it's "great" or the power of the team, is in short, ludicrous when the rush defense is statistically close to KC's and that's with NE playing with a lead in the vast majority of their games.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 09:21 AM
So it's your contention that a team with the lead will focus on stopping the RUN?!?!?!

Dont be obtuse...a team doesnt have to defend a phase of the game that is not attempted. When a team is down 14, they run less.

And all this time, I thought this was widely accepted as fact...silly me.

bobbything
11-16-2004, 09:21 AM
You use stats and then state stats are meaningless...ok, I follow that.
I'll use your quote..."a careful reading of the thread would help".

I said, "stats per game are meaningless." I was using stats of 20+ yards, yards per attempt, total TD's, etc.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:23 AM
I really can't believe I'm having this conversation... :shake: :shake:

1. Chiefs run defense is among the worst in the NFL, more than half a yard worse than the Patriots.

2. Pats have allowed 2 runs this year of over 20 yards. Chiefs have allowed 7.

3. Chiefs have allowed twice as many rushing TDs as the Pats (10 to 5).

4. Pats have forced 8 fumbles this year. Chiefs have forced 1.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:25 AM
Dont be obtuse...a team doesnt have to defend a phase of the game that is not attempted. When a team is down 14, they run less.

And all this time, I thought this was widely accepted as fact...silly me.

Right, they run less. Okay, good. So you agree that a defense does NOT focus on stopping the run when they are ahead.

Now then, we also agreed (you stated, and I agree) that the Patriots have played with a lead most of the time this year. In point of fact, which I doubt you knew, the Patriots have scored first in the last 17 games they have played. But anyway...

Next question -- the Patriots are allowing 4.1 yards per rush attempt to their opponents. The Chiefs are allowing 4.8. Because the Patriots are ahead most of the time, they are NOT focusing on stopping the run, but despite this fact they are allowing more than half a yard less per rush than the Chiefs.

Please account for this in your assessment that the Chiefs run defense is better than the Patriots and explain...

bobbything
11-16-2004, 09:29 AM
Please account for this in your assessment that the Chiefs run defense is better than the Patriots and explain...
Logic escapes many a Chief fan.

You can dress a turd up all you want (with worthless per-game stats) but, in the end, it's still a turd.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:29 AM
What Im saying is in a close game, I think KC can run on NE and will run on NE. I think KC could do to NE what it did to Baltimore.

KC's strength is rushing offense, NE's weak spot is run defense...

I don't disagree that the above MAY be true. I think you will find, however, that the Patriots are very good at stopping whatever ONE thing they want to stop. I think the Pats will focus on stopping your running game, and keep Tony Gonzalez from going wild, and let your WRs try to beat us.

BUT I note this is not your original argument. You originally said

Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's.

The above statement is completely ridiculous.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 09:30 AM
BUT I note this is not your original argument. You originally...The...statement is completely ridiculous.

Well, up until last weekend, it was true.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 09:37 AM
Well, up until last weekend, it was true.

Well, y'know, if we can both take mulligans, I'll take out the Steelers game and I'm sure the Pats would be looking better too...

But anyway, just to humor you, removing last week's rushing stats for both teams moves the Pats from 4.1 per rush to 4.2 per rush, and drops the Chiefs from 4.8 per rush to 4.65 per rush.

So instead of being over half a yard per rush, it's "only" almost half a yard per rush that the Pats are better than the Chiefs...

:shake:

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 09:43 AM
Well, y'know, if we can both take mulligans, I'll take out the Steelers game and I'm sure the Pats would be looking better too...

But anyway, just to humor you, removing last week's rushing stats for both teams moves the Pats from 4.1 per rush to 4.2 per rush, and drops the Chiefs from 4.8 per rush to 4.65 per rush.

So instead of being over half a yard per rush, it's "only" almost half a yard per rush that the Pats are better than the Chiefs...

:shake:

You can look at YPRush, I look at yards per game-- a stat that would be more beneficial to you using your theory that teams that are behind run the ball more.

Bottom line is I think KC can beat NE because NE hasnt faced an offense like KC's except for week one and they squeaked out of that one--I want to use the word luck--and my initial response to the pats homer that said KC was facing the 'real deal' and KC hadnt faced a defense like NE before.

bobbything
11-16-2004, 10:01 AM
Bottom line is I think KC can beat NE because NE hasnt faced an offense like KC's except for week one and they squeaked out of that one--I want to use the word luck--and my initial response to the pats homer that said KC was facing the 'real deal' and KC hadnt faced a defense like NE before.
I will agree with this.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 10:18 AM
You can look at YPRush, I look at yards per game-- a stat that would be more beneficial to you using your theory that teams that are behind run the ball more.

Bottom line is I think KC can beat NE because NE hasnt faced an offense like KC's except for week one and they squeaked out of that one--I want to use the word luck--and my initial response to the pats homer that said KC was facing the 'real deal' and KC hadnt faced a defense like NE before.

I don't argue that KC mgiht be able to run on NE. You have one of the best, if not THE best, rushing offenses in the NFL. Suffices to say that you MIGHT be able to run on us, but I'm POSITIVE you run offense could run wild on your run defense.

Yards per game is a completely meaningless statistic in every sense of the word, especially if you're trying to determine who has a best defense in a certain category. It doesn't pay attention to any number of factors that might influence it considerably, such as the score of the game, for example. Seriously, it's just not a good metric to derive conclusions from.

For the love of God -- I do NOT have a theory that teams that are behind run more. They run less. I've said so like 3 times, but you keep ignoring it, or else you're just trying to be intentionally annoying.

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 10:23 AM
Dont be obtuse...

"Give Mr. Dufrane another month in the hole to think about. Are you catching my drift? or am I still being OBTUSE?!?!?"

Straight, No Chaser
11-16-2004, 10:30 AM
... but seriously although I like our line and think it does yoeman's work and is fabulously well coached by the best assistant coach you never heard of whose name nobody can remember or spell anyway (Dante Scarnecchia),...

Are you sure Dante Scarnecchia is someone's name or is it some sort of flaming hot pasta special?


---->

Count Zarth
11-16-2004, 10:31 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that KC will beat NE. I've never been more sure of anything in my life.

I'm completely confident about this game. Meanwhile I knew that the Saints would beat us last week.

This team is infuriating.

:banghead:

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 10:34 AM
Yards per game is a completely meaningless statistic in every sense of the word, especially if you're trying to determine who has a best defense in a certain category. It doesn't pay attention to any number of factors that might influence it considerably, such as the score of the game, for example. Seriously, it's just not a good metric to derive conclusions from.

For the love of God -- I do NOT have a theory that teams that are behind run more. They run less. I've said so like 3 times, but you keep ignoring it, or else you're just trying to be intentionally annoying.

You know, in 2002, John Tait had the largest YPRush average of all KC Chiefs...does that mean he's better than Holmes? All stats have to be looked at in a certain context. Let's just say that NE's run defense hasnt been tested against a team like KC--and the CONVERSE cannot be said which is what prompted me to say before, that KC has faced good rushing defenses and has won, Baltimore being a good example and Alanta being another. NE is nothing special in the rush defense category and that was my point--albeit in a rather crude way.

You said that teams have more success running the ball when they are behind, that means nothing in context of being behind on the scoreboard.

Demonpenz
11-16-2004, 10:36 AM
new england needs to win something before they can run their mouth

Calcountry
11-16-2004, 10:39 AM
I wouldn't be shocked by a KC blowout over NE a week from tonight. This team is schizo. The O is certainly capable of hanging 40 on any D.
Precisely why they are so fuggin frustrating. And, why we are so pissed. I mean, everyone knows that the Fins are chitty, they expect to lose every game. Losing sucks worse when you are suppose to be winning games.

IMO, they are just not performing up to their talent level on a consistent basis. They play down or up to their opponents. NOT the mark of a playoff team.

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 11:04 AM
new england needs to win something before they can run their mouth

Who's running thier mouths?

bideau
11-16-2004, 11:16 AM
new england needs to win something before they can run their mouth

Besides 2 championships in 3 years, what do they need to win?

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 11:36 AM
Besides 2 championships in 3 years, what do they need to win?


How about some CLASS you idiot,,,,,

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 11:38 AM
Logic escapes many a Chief fan.

You can dress a turd up all you want (with worthless per-game stats) but, in the end, it's still a turd.

That's right,,,,u might of won 2 SB,,,,but your still a bunch of turds,,,
u stupid :cuss:

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 11:39 AM
How about some CLASS you idiot,,,,,


what does that even mean? Are you calling the Pats a bunch of scum bags? I would have to say, with the exception of Harrison, we are a pretty classy team.

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 11:40 AM
That's right,,,,u might of won 2 SB,,,,but your still a bunch of turds,,,
u stupid :cuss:


What are you 6 years old? sorry, I'll speak in your broken english.......huh U 6?

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 11:41 AM
new england needs to win something before they can run their mouth


Please note, the above message should have had ..... around it, apparently, in order to be perfectly clear...

Soupnazi
11-16-2004, 11:42 AM
Besides 2 championships in 3 years, what do they need to win?

Apparently your sarcasm detector needs to be recalibrated.

bobbything
11-16-2004, 11:46 AM
That's right,,,,u might of won 2 SB,,,,but your still a bunch of turds,,,
u stupid
Me confused...

what r u talking about,,,,,i wuz talikng about the kcchiefs defence not the pats but aparently u mised the point be-cuz im the stupid one sorry 4 the mixup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 11:48 AM
Me confused...

what r u talking about,,,,,i wuz talikng about the kcchiefs defense not the pats but aparently u mised the point be-cuz im the stupid one sorry 4 the mixup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


don't let it happen again,,,,,

bideau
11-16-2004, 11:50 AM
Apparently your sarcasm detector needs to be recalibrated.

:doh!:

Sarcasm is difficult to detect on a message board if it's not accompanied by appropriate smilies or if the personality of the poster is not known.

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 11:50 AM
What are you 6 years old? sorry, I'll speak in your broken english.......huh U 6?


Wrong again,, I am 7 and my momma says the patty melts are going down on monday nightROFL

Brock
11-16-2004, 11:53 AM
:doh!:

Sarcasm is difficult to detect on a message board if it's not accompanied by appropriate smilies or if the personality of the poster is not known.

We're too bitter to use smilies.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 11:55 AM
:doh!:

Sarcasm is difficult to detect on a message board if it's not accompanied by appropriate smilies or if the personality of the poster is not known.

Oh, cmon, that one was easy...

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 11:56 AM
Wrong again,, I am 7 and my momma says the patty melts are going down on monday nightROFL


Huh, your momma said something or someone else is going down monday night too!




I'm sorry, it was there. I had to take it. :p

KCWolfman
11-16-2004, 11:56 AM
We're too bitter to use smilies.
I made a smiley flavored soda, but Jones stole it.

bideau
11-16-2004, 12:06 PM
Oh, cmon, that one was easy...

:redface:

Sorry, my brain is still recovering from a late Sunday night. Night games really suck on the east coast.

HC_Chief
11-16-2004, 12:08 PM
This thread has gone to hell...

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 12:23 PM
:redface:

Sorry, my brain is still recovering from a late Sunday night. Night games really suck on the east coast.

I know Im on the east coast as well...I've not watched an entire MNF game since the last time KC played on MNF. Im not looking forward to a week from today.

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 12:29 PM
I know Im on the east coast as well...I've not watched an entire MNF game since the last time KC played on MNF. Im not looking forward to a week from today.


Ya, trying going to work the next day when you were at the game. I've been dropped off at work on the way home from the game before.









How do I still have a job?

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 12:31 PM
Ya, trying going to work the next day when you were at the game. I've been dropped off at work on the way home from the game before.

Ouch! I could have done that in my 20's...not now. I'd be a puddle.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 01:02 PM
I know Im on the east coast as well...I've not watched an entire MNF game since the last time KC played on MNF. Im not looking forward to a week from today.

Seriously. I was completely WORTHLESS* at work after the Pats Sunday Night Game. 'course we had the game in hand and it was obvious we'd win by halftime, but do I go to bed like someone with any brains at all? Nooo.... :banghead:

(*more so than usual)

cadmonkey
11-16-2004, 01:03 PM
Ouch! I could have done that in my 20's...not now. I'd be a puddle.


I am in my 20's :thumb:

Mythjp
11-16-2004, 01:07 PM
You can look at YPRush, I look at yards per game-- a stat that would be more beneficial to you using your theory that teams that are behind run the ball more.

Bottom line is I think KC can beat NE because NE hasnt faced an offense like KC's except for week one and they squeaked out of that one--I want to use the word luck--and my initial response to the pats homer that said KC was facing the 'real deal' and KC hadnt faced a defense like NE before.
Here are some facts for you.
Teams The Patriots have played
Indy 112 yards rushing Avg. --- 142 against the Pats
Zona 112 avg. rushing--- 31 against the Pats
Bills-1 102 avg. 98 against Pats.
Bills-2 102 avg 37 against Pats
Miami 87 avg. 44 against Pats --OK they really suck!
Seattle 148 avg 77 against Pats
Jets 145 avg 70 against Pats
Steelers 162 avg 160 against Pats
Rams 118 avg 66 against Pats

Chiefs same setup.
Saints 93 avg 127 against Chiefs
Tampa 88 avg 128 against Chiefs
Indy 112 avg 34 against Chiefs-- nice game BTW.
Atlanta 155 avg 111 against Chiefs
Jax 107 avg 66 against Chiefs
Baltimore 127 avg 73 against Chiefs they only ran the ball15 times
Houston 103 avg 76 against Chiefs
Carolina 90 avg 174 against Chiefs
Denver 137 avg 156 against Chiefs

There you go you do the math.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 01:08 PM
Seriously. I was completely WORTHLESS* at work after the Pats Sunday Night Game. 'course we had the game in hand and it was obvious we'd win by halftime, but do I go to bed like someone with any brains at all? Nooo.... :banghead:

Yeah, well I sat through the loss @ Denver in week 1. It's not so bad when they win, but when they lose, ugh!

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 01:09 PM
Here are some facts for you.


As KCTitus noted, and I agree with, those facts are skewed by the fact that the Patriots took an early lead in many of those games.

Per game rushing stats are worthless, IMHO, anyway.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 01:09 PM
There you go you do the math.

No thanks. I made my point.

Mythjp
11-16-2004, 01:55 PM
No thanks. I made my point. Ok so I got a little carried away here. The point I was trying to get across in this was just this. A coment that the Chiefs Run D was better than the Patriots was made in this thread. I only tried to show that there was nothing to back up that statment. As to my statment about not having faced a D like The Patriots. It was more about the Size and speed of the Front 7 that I was talking about not about a style. The young DB added now most are very fast and solid hitters. I regret that it was taken incorectly.

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 02:05 PM
Ok so I got a little carried away here. The point I was trying to get across in this was just this. A coment that the Chiefs Run D was better than the Patriots was made in this thread. I only tried to show that there was nothing to back up that statment. As to my statment about not having faced a D like The Patriots. It was more about the Size and speed of the Front 7 that I was talking about not about a style. The young DB added now most are very fast and solid hitters. I regret that it was taken incorectly.

Yes, I made that comment about KC's rush defense being better, which by my statistics it was until last weekend in response to your 'never faced a D like this comment'. At this point, the per game averages are close and that's w/o taking into context the fact that NE's had the benefit of playing with a lead in all but one of it's games.

Baltimore and Atlanta were/are statistically good at defending the run, yet KC demolished them. My point was the NE's defense, at least from a run defense perspective, was nothing special in relation to what KC's already played.

I didnt take it incorrectly, rather, I disagreed with your original assertion.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 02:09 PM
Yes, I made that comment about KC's rush defense being better, which by my statistics it was until last weekend in response to your 'never faced a D like this comment'. At this point, the per game averages are close and that's w/o taking into context the fact that NE's had the benefit of playing with a lead in all but one of it's games.

You seriously in your heart of hearts believe that KC's run defense is as good as the Patriots?

That is amazing to me.

Rain Man
11-16-2004, 02:10 PM
You seriously in your heart of hearts believe that KC's run defense is as good as the Patriots?

That is amazing to me.


Well, maybe not if you insist on looking at things like statistics and facts...

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 02:10 PM
You seriously in your heart of hearts believe that KC's run defense is as good as the Patriots?

That is amazing to me.

No, my point was it's nothing spectacular or anything that KC hasnt seen before. I was using the KC comparison to point out just how pedestrian it is.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 02:20 PM
No, my point was it's nothing spectacular or anything that KC hasnt seen before. I was using the KC comparison to point out just how pedestrian it is.

I understand that you think KC's offense can run on the Pats run defense because KC's offense has run on teams that have as good or better run defenses than the Patriots', statistically speaking.

Let me repeat the question, however, just so I'm sure -- do you or do you not believe that KC's run defense is as good as the Patriots' run defense. That's definitely what you said before, so I just want to make sure I've got a full retraction here. :) :p

KCTitus
11-16-2004, 02:22 PM
Let me repeat the question, however, just so I'm sure -- do you or do you not believe that KC's run defense is as good as the Patriots' run defense. That's definitely what you said before, so I just want to make sure I've got a full retraction here. :) :p

My point is it's nothing spectacular or anything that KC hasnt seen before. I was using the KC comparison to point out just how pedestrian it is.

Feel free to ask the question again and get the same answer. Ive been consistent.

Nightfyre
11-16-2004, 02:30 PM
Hmmm this thread is worthless. The chiefs are an any given sunday team. They can win or lose, any given sunday, regardless of their opponent.

chiefs4me
11-16-2004, 04:59 PM
Hmmm this thread is worthless. The chiefs are an any given sunday team. They can win or lose, any given sunday, regardless of their opponent.



ooh you got that right,baby,,,,,,,:thumb: