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KingPriest2
11-16-2004, 11:10 AM
What is this guy smoking?

BALDINGER: Madden 'stifled' by Michaels
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Brian Baldinger / FOX Sports
Posted: 16 hours ago




I love John Madden.

I love his knowledge. He flat-out knows football, and he explains it in a way anyone can understand. That's Job 1.



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I love his prescience. Early in a game, he'll identify a trend or player or development that will be key to the outcome, and sure enough, that's how the game unfolds. Nobody sees the game the way John does.


I love his ability to spot no-name players with big-time talent. Over the years, he has identified so many blue-collar guys -- Nate Newton, Bill Bates, Edwin Mulitalo, Gilbert Brown -- who helped their teams win, yet were anonymous until John highlighted them. He'd tell you their stories and analyze their games. By the end of the game, you'd say, "Wow, that player is fascinating. I'll watch him every chance I get."


I love his sense of humor. He's Seinfeld-funny, the way he makes observations on life. One minute he's detailing the intricacies of the Bucs' cover 2, the next he's wondering why anybody would give kids an apple on Halloween. I love the way he can make you smarter and make you laugh in the same game, with seamless transitions in between.


I love John Madden. But Al Michaels is killing him.


Al is one of the best play-by-play guys around. He knows the stats, the facts, the background, all the detail that's necessary to describe a game. But Monday Night Football has become the Al Michaels show, and he dominates the air time. Al simply doesn't let John be John.


Pat Summerall did. Pat was John's partner at CBS and FOX for years, and he knew he wasn't the show. Pat could have carried a broadcast with his wit and insights, but he subjugated himself to let John be the star. Pat would keep the game moving by describing the action in his trademark abbreviated style, and he'd step back and give John the leeway he needed to do his thing. Pat made it possible for John to become the most entertaining and informative NFL analyst ever.


Now that John has a national audience every week, it's much harder to see evidence of that. I love John Madden, and it hurts to see him stifled to the point he can't be himself anymore.


I don't mean this to be a knock on Al Michaels. He's very good at his job, and he deserves center stage. But so does John. That's why this pairing isn't working.


Brian Baldinger, an offensive lineman for 12 NFL seasons, can be heard on Sporting News Radio and seen on FOX Sports. Listen online at http://radio.sportingnews.com.

Calcountry
11-16-2004, 11:14 AM
So, are you with him or against him?

I think I'll take a poll.

KCFalcon59
11-16-2004, 11:16 AM
Pat Summerall did. Pat was John's partner at CBS and FOX for years, and he knew he wasn't the show. Pat could have carried a broadcast with his wit and insights, but he subjugated himself to let John be the star.

Uhhh....Pat was drunk.

Chieficus
11-16-2004, 11:17 AM
"They used to be able to put stick 'em on their hands. Now they just have those gloves..."

Bearcat
11-16-2004, 11:18 AM
Al simply doesn't let John be John.



Good.

cheeeefs
11-16-2004, 11:22 AM
What we've got here is a case of differing opinions when people start stating opinions it can often lead to other people having completely different opinions, and that's what we've got here.

You know, I really like a man who can just give his opinion. Like they say, you've got to stand for something. That's a big man on that line, when you got a man who is 400 pounds, I don't think anyone would call him a small man. And those big men get to use that weight advantage to really dominate the line of scrimmage. That's why they get those big men down there and put them up front.

God I'm a football genius, I can explain the game like no one else.

Brock
11-16-2004, 11:25 AM
Madden definitely needed to be toned down. He's actually been all right this season.

ChiefsOne
11-16-2004, 11:33 AM
Madden is a dildo, plus he coached the Faiders, so he is really low in my book.

I think he is a dumbass.

NewChief
11-16-2004, 11:34 AM
I've about had it with MNF bringing in some "star" from the network's latest sitcom to pump up their show during the broadcast. This week it was alright, but last week when they brought in that chick who prattled on inanely about her stupid show for 5 minutes...I was pulling my hair out. Madden kept trying to interrupt and bring the talk around to the game in progress, but her and Michaels just kept on yacking while the GAME WAS GOING ON! STFU AND STFD!

Raiderhader
11-16-2004, 11:35 AM
I don't mean this to be a knock on Al Michaels. He's very good at his job, and he deserves center stage. But so does John. That's why this pairing isn't working.



No, it isn't working because Madden sucks.

Why can't they get Michaels somebody decent to work with?

MichaelH
11-16-2004, 11:42 AM
I can't argue about Madden's vast football knowledge. But I still cringe when I hear his blabber before a game. He can babble on about nothing better than anyone.

As far as getting someone in the booth with Michaels, how about Joe Buck? He seems to know his sports and doesn't suffer from dimentia.

ENDelt260
11-16-2004, 11:47 AM
F*ck Joe Buck.

Raiderhader
11-16-2004, 11:47 AM
I can't argue about Madden's vast football knowledge. But I still cringe when I hear his blabber before a game. He can babble on about nothing better than anyone.

As far as getting someone in the booth with Michaels, how about Joe Buck? He seems to know his sports and doesn't suffer from dimentia.


I would not be opposed to Buck, but I thought he was just a baseball guy?

Costas might be an interesting choice as well.....

ENDelt260
11-16-2004, 11:48 AM
I would not be opposed to Buck, but I thought he was just a baseball guy?

I think he does the NFL Playoffs for Fox as well.

At least... I remember he did a couple years ago.

Raiderhader
11-16-2004, 11:50 AM
I think he does the NFL Playoffs for Fox as well.

At least... I remember he did a couple years ago.


Well I have never seen that much of him, so I really don't know. What I have seen hasn't been bad.

MichaelH
11-16-2004, 11:53 AM
Joe Buck does football as well. I hardly watch the FOX games, but he's usually paired with Troy Aikman and Turkey Neck Collinsworth.

HolmeZz
11-16-2004, 11:54 AM
Al and John have been great, IMO.

cheeeefs
11-16-2004, 11:56 AM
John grates on my nerves like no one else. I didn't even get a chuckle at my Madden rendition earlier in this thread. It must have been poorly done. Maybe I should have added a reference to how much a lineman eats, and how much I love turducky.

beavis
11-16-2004, 11:58 AM
Well I have never seen that much of him, so I really don't know. What I have seen hasn't been bad.
I think Buck is excellent. He is by far and away the best baseball guy on tv, and I think his football broadcasts aren't far behind.

Madden used to be funny, but now it's just sad. I'm not even sure the guy knows what game he's at most of the time.

Amnorix
11-16-2004, 12:23 PM
Madden is a babbling buffoon.

Rain Man
11-16-2004, 12:31 PM
Madden is a babbling buffoon.


Additionally, he's a baffling baboon.


Ditch Madden. Keep Michaels.

roman gnome
11-16-2004, 12:45 PM
Edith.."stifle it!"

tk13
11-16-2004, 12:55 PM
Wow, that's quite a shot. This goes to prove my theory that 90% of FOX's announcers are bland, boring, and anonymous... Brian Baldinger is on one of the FOX announcing teams and I imagine few very people on this thread knew that. That's quite a shot to be taking at another network. I do think Madden has been pretty good in the booth this year, I don't know that he's really being "stifled" all that much, I thought him and Al found a nice chemistry. I think they're probably the best announce team in the business right now, IMO.

Calcountry
11-16-2004, 01:07 PM
F*ck Joe Buck.
Yeah, he can't even interview Leon.

Calcountry
11-16-2004, 01:10 PM
Hey, I have an Idea. Pick one fan from the Host city each week to go in and do color.

It would have a "reality TV" kind of twist. Then we could vote on the best ones, and perhaps they could land a contract.

They could have tryouts for the next week at a half time show, then let the fans vote on the internet. What do you think?

Ultra Peanut
11-16-2004, 01:15 PM
He flat-out knows football, and he explains it in a way anyone can understand.BOOM! WAP! ZONK!

BigRedChief
11-16-2004, 01:33 PM
Additionally, he's a baffling baboon.


Ditch Madden. Keep Michaels.

I would normally agree with this opinion but Madden temporarily redeemed himself in my eyes for showing Ray Ray not getting double teamed during the MNG game. That was so hilarious. A highlight of this disappointing season. So he gets some slack this year.

Rain Man
11-16-2004, 02:01 PM
BOOM! WAP! ZONK!


"He flat-out knows football, and he explains it in a way that Batman can understand."