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Gaz
11-18-2004, 07:59 AM
I still believe that 10-6 would get us into the playoffs. Since that is still mathematically possible, I am still hopeful.

Anyone with me?

xoxo~
Gaz
Expects to be in the minority, but hopes he is not alone.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 08:02 AM
Im allways hopeful, until the clock reads 0:00...

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 08:02 AM
I'm with you; but I ain't holdin' my breath.... :shake:

bideau
11-18-2004, 08:03 AM
As a Pats fan, I'll point you to the '94 Pats. They were 3-6 and then reeled off seven straight wins to finish 10-6 and in the playoffs.

Of course, as a Pats fan, I'm hoping that doesn't happen since that means the Pats would have to lose on Monday night. But I'd like to see you go 9-7 :)

Gaz
11-18-2004, 08:03 AM
Let me clarify that by “hopeful,” I mean you have not given up. I do not EXPECT to make the playoffs. Too many things would have to go right in a season when nearly everything has gone wrong. Not bloody likely.

Still, I retain my hope [forlorn, perhaps] that the team can turn it around and play up to the potential we have seen in fleeting glimpses this season.

Is the bandwagon empty?

xoxo~
Gaz
Needs someone to homer with.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:04 AM
I want it, but don't see it happening.

The team is capable, but they have not shown it each week.

But even at 10 - 6, If it were to happen, does anybody think they can get anywhere ? 1 and done, maybe a 2 and done. The later draft pick would screw us.....

This is not a win / win situation here for us.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 08:06 AM
Why would draft position matter if CP is the one doing the drafting?

Cant have your cake and eat it too...

MichaelH
11-18-2004, 08:10 AM
I'm very hopeful but it will require an act from God himself to turn this team around.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:12 AM
Why would draft position matter if CP is the one doing the drafting?

Cant have your cake and eat it too...

My bad, yur right, Carl would draft another reach in the 1st round. ( a player that would be a 2nd or 3rd rounders in most drafts )

Iowanian
11-18-2004, 08:13 AM
I'm still hopefull....but more of a "I hope this hooker with a cough that I'm having unprotected relations with doesn't give me the bullhead clap" kinda way that gochiefs talks about.



No playoffs.

siberian khatru
11-18-2004, 08:16 AM
Why would draft position matter if CP is the one doing the drafting?



That's what worries me. With Carl, there are no silver linings.

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 08:17 AM
I remain convinced that this team has the talent, even taken as a whole, to beat everyone in the league. But I find it an impossible task to hope that the entire team brings their brains to every play of every game from here on out, given that they've shown such a predeliction to, . . . ['brain fart' is too mild, is there such a thing as 'brain explosive diarrhea'] at just time to guarantee a lost to an inferior team.

chiefs4me
11-18-2004, 08:20 AM
I'm with you GAZ,,,,its not over yet,,,,
remember what someone else said,,

ANY GIVEN SUNDAY
(or monday)

LET'S GO CHIEFS

shakesthecat
11-18-2004, 08:20 AM
"Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs. Are you kidding me? Playoffs?"

A few weeks back I predicted KC would finish 5-11.
After watching them step on their dicks the past 2 weeks, I still stand by it.

But that doesn't mean I won't get up on gameday, throw on #14, and hope like hell they prove me wrong.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 08:21 AM
. . . ['brain fart' is too mild, is there such a thing as 'brain explosive diarrhea'] ...

An excellent and graphic description.

xoxo~
Gaz
Resisting the impulse to carry that metaphor any further.

Dr. Facebook Fever
11-18-2004, 08:21 AM
Let me clarify that by “hopeful,” I do not EXPECT to make the playoffs. Too many things would have to go right in a season when nearly everything has gone wrong. Not bloody likely.

That pretty much sums it up for me. I have no playoff expectations or really even hopes. Right now I'd just settle for a winning...or probably even .500 season. I'll just enjoy a win where ever we can get one and look to next year and hope for some real changes.

stevieray
11-18-2004, 08:24 AM
well, of course.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:27 AM
Really, with this team at 3 - 6, getting to 8-8 is a major step in the right direction.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 08:27 AM
But that doesn't mean I won't get up on gameday, throw on #14, and hope like hell they prove me wrong.

Yer #14, baby!

Skip Towne
11-18-2004, 08:29 AM
I'm still hopefull....but more of a "I hope this hooker with a cough that I'm having unprotected relations with doesn't give me the bullhead clap" kinda way that gochiefs talks about.



No playoffs.
How do you always manage to work the bullhead clap into your posts?

Gaz
11-18-2004, 08:31 AM
How do you always manage to work the bullhead clap into your posts?

Go with what you know.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thankfully unfamiliar with that particular subject.

CosmicPal
11-18-2004, 08:34 AM
I equate my addiction to the Chiefs as the same as my addictions to

Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
Ganja
Tall women with long black hair and big boobs
Listening to music
4 cups of coffee/day
Hanging around ChiefsPlanet
Chipolte burritos
A fistful of M & M’s
Swimming at night (when I was at the Lake of the Ozarks)
Watching Chiefs games
Watching KU basketball


I haven’t quit on any of these, why quit on my Chiefs?

chief husker
11-18-2004, 08:35 AM
I'm a fan at at 13 and 3 or 3 and 13. I always hope for the best. Besides, tickets will be cheap if we suck.


Remembering the days of $10 tickets -------- Husker's dogs

CosmicPal
11-18-2004, 08:39 AM
I'm a fan at at 13 and 3 or 3 and 13. I always hope for the best. Besides, tickets will be cheap if we suck.


Remembering the days of $10 tickets -------- Husker's dogs

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tix/

cash1000
11-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Gaz, Gaz, Gaz realistically with the Chiefs defense how in the heck can they win seven games in a row. After 14 years so many Chiefs fans are starting to smell the coffee. You're like the guy who doesn't heed the warning of a coming hurricane and feels he can ride the storm out and he's never seen again. If the Chiefs win out and make the play-offs Lamar would give Carl a 5 year extension on his contract extend the torment!

siberian khatru
11-18-2004, 08:47 AM
And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child joined hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter, because Carl would still be running this team.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 08:48 AM
If the Chiefs win out and make the play-offs Lamar would give Carl a 5 year extension on his contract extend the torment!

Again...explain the logic of not enjoying a 7 game win streak and another shot in the playoffs.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 08:52 AM
cash1000-

Here are my choices:

1. Give up. The season is over. Life sucks. Bring on basketball. Where’s that razor?

2. Remain hopeful. We are not mathematically eliminated. We have played well in spurts.

Until we are mathematically eliminated [that pesky 7th loss or a fortuitous simultaneous collapse by Denver & San Diego] I chose to enjoy what is left of the season. I concede that I will most probably be disappointed, but I will squeeze the last bit of optimism out of this season before I relinquish my seat.

I have no interest in the “14 year” stuff. Peterson is the GM, Vermeil is the HC and that is not going to change next season.

xoxo~
Gaz
Made a deliberate decision to enjoy the season until the blade drops.

cash1000
11-18-2004, 08:57 AM
What wrong is that it would be a repeat of the same old Chiefs make the playoffs thing...you know...a LOSS followed by moans and groans...followed by another season of hope...followed by more disappointment and on and on and on! The Chiefs need a makeover on defense and in the front office!

Gaz
11-18-2004, 08:58 AM
How about a bit of "What If" here. Let us say you could decide between a 7-0 tear to end the season and enter the playoffs as AFC West champions or a dismal season and Peterson resigning at the end of it.

Would you give up a miraculous playoff run in exchange for a new staff?

xoxo~
Gaz
Knows what he would pick.

Saulbadguy
11-18-2004, 08:59 AM
No. Don't give up, don't ever give up.

xoxo~
Saul
Thinking of Jimmy V.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 09:16 AM
What wrong is that it would be a repeat of the same old Chiefs make the playoffs thing...you know...a LOSS followed by moans and groans...followed by another season of hope...followed by more disappointment and on and on and on! The Chiefs need a makeover on defense and in the front office!

You think a team that has won 7 straight will just fold in the playoffs? It was obvious what was going to happen going into the playoffs last year, but I would find it hard to think KC would fold after winning 7 straight.

cash1000
11-18-2004, 09:18 AM
That's just the thing the Chiefs would do win 7 straight then lose the first playoff game and rip the heart out of Chiefs fans AGAIN.

siberian khatru
11-18-2004, 09:19 AM
You think a team that has won 7 straight will just fold in the playoffs? It was obvious what was going to happen going into the playoffs last year, but I would find it hard to think KC would fold after winning 7 straight.

You mean like the 1997 Chiefs?

Oh, well, they just won 6 in a row to close the season (and 9 of 10) ...

Sure-Oz
11-18-2004, 09:19 AM
Like i said before i still have hope since we arent eliminated but im not counting on it.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 09:20 AM
If your heart is going to be ripped out anyway, who not enjoy the season as long as you can?

xoxo~
Gaz
Would rather postpone the heart-ripping until the playoffs.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 09:31 AM
You mean like the 1997 Chiefs?

Oh, well, they just won 6 in a row to close the season (and 9 of 10) ...

Well...hopefully, DV wont decide to start Todd Collins in the playoff game should KC actually win 7 straight.

ZepSinger
11-18-2004, 09:48 AM
OK.. same D for the rest of the season?

Not a flippin' chance.

Z

Chief Henry
11-18-2004, 09:51 AM
If your heart is going to be ripped out anyway, who not enjoy the season as long as you can?

xoxo~
Gaz
Would rather postpone the heart-ripping until the playoffs.




7-0 to fisinsh the season would be AWESOME, hell were so accustomed to getting our hearts ripped out anyway, so lets enjoy it, but highly unlikely.

We need a defense that eats nails.

Chief Henry
11-18-2004, 09:52 AM
Well...hopefully, DV wont decide to start Todd Collins in the playoff game should KC actually win 7 straight.

Please don't remind us of that brutal decision to start Elvis Grbac over
Rich Gannon in the 1997 play off game... :banghead:
dam it, too late for that.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 09:53 AM
7-0 to fisinsh the season would be AWESOME, hell were so accustomed to getting our hearts ripped out anyway, so lets enjoy it, but highly unlikely.

We need a defense that eats nails.

I have to admit that while the last 4 games of last year absolutely sucked, that 9-0 start was the funnest time I could remember in many years of being a chiefs fan.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 09:54 AM
Please don't remind us of that brutal decision to start Elvis Grbac over
Rich Gannon in the 1997 play off game... :banghead:
dam it, too late for that.

Well, we could also talk about the decision to cut Lowry for Lin Elliott, while we're at it.

Chief Henry
11-18-2004, 09:59 AM
Well, we could also talk about the decision to cut Lowry for Lin Elliott, while we're at it.

That was another brilliant decision by our front office. I personally feel
that decision to bench Gannon was the biggest mistake of the Carl Peterson era. I don't want to go all through that again. Not enough time and no desire to get all worked up in a tizzy. I did that Monday :(

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 10:01 AM
That was another brilliant decision by our front office. I personally feel
that decision to bench Gannon was the biggest mistake of the Carl Peterson era. I don't want to go all through that again. Not enough time and no desire to get all worked up in a tizzy. I did that Monday :(

Well, personally, I put that decision on Marty and at the time agreed with the change. In hindsight, it was the wrong decision.

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 11:31 AM
I equate my addiction to the Chiefs as the same as my addictions to

Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
Ganja
Tall women with long black hair and big boobs
Listening to music
4 cups of coffee/day
Hanging around ChiefsPlanet
Chipolte burritos
A fistful of M & M’s
Swimming at night (when I was at the Lake of the Ozarks)
Watching Chiefs games
Watching KU basketball


I haven’t quit on any of these, why quit on my Chiefs?
With the exception of Gambling [if you lose] and watching KU games [in the Tournament], none of those others make you want to kick a dog.

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 11:34 AM
I equate my addiction to the Chiefs as the same as my addictions to

Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
Ganja
Tall women with long black hair and big boobs
Listening to music
4 cups of coffee/day
Hanging around ChiefsPlanet
Chipolte burritos
A fistful of M & M’s
Swimming at night (when I was at the Lake of the Ozarks)
Watching Chiefs games
Watching KU basketball


I haven’t quit on any of these, why quit on my Chiefs?

I could hang with you, as long as it wasn't at a Casino.....and we were in a "no smoking (either)" section.... :hmmm:

:)

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 11:35 AM
How about a bit of "What If" here. Let us say you could decide between a 7-0 tear to end the season and enter the playoffs as AFC West champions or a dismal season and Peterson resigning at the end of it.

Would you give up a miraculous playoff run in exchange for a new staff?

xoxo~
Gaz
Knows what he would pick.

Come back when we're on a 6-0 streak, but down 10 in the 4th in the final game of e season about to miss the playoffs by 1/2 game, and your stomach feels like razor wire.

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 11:36 AM
Come back when we're on a 6-0 streak, but down 10 in the 4th about to miss the playoffs by 1/2 game, and your stomach feels like razor wire.

If it would end like that....honestly; I'd rather go 3-13....I sh*t you not. :shake: :shake: :shake:

:cuss:

TEX
11-18-2004, 11:41 AM
I threw in the towel after the Tampa loss. Thus, the loss to New Orleans hardly effected me at all. Now I just watch the games as nothing what so ever in my mind is riding on their outcome. Makes them much more entertaining and quite chomical. For instance, I ROFL when Trent was sacked to end the Saints game by only 3 down lineman again... ROFL

TEX
11-18-2004, 11:43 AM
If it would end like that....honestly; I'd rather go 3-13....I sh*t you not. :shake: :shake: :shake:

:cuss:

I agree as well. I'd much rather be WAY OUT than just barely miss. With that said, I think I'll be just fine at season's end.

the Talking Can
11-18-2004, 11:47 AM
recognizing that this team sucks and has a 0% percent chance of ending the season in the playoffs has nothing to do with one's "fandom"....I'll watch every game like always with the hope that we'll win....but we won't and we'll come back next year and start all over again....as a fan, how could I not be excited that Woods/Browning/Hicks/Bartee were all just signed to long-term contracts...really, that is awesome and bodes well for our future....

Gaz
11-18-2004, 11:49 AM
Come back when we're on a 6-0 streak, but down 10 in the 4th in the final game of e season about to miss the playoffs by 1/2 game, and your stomach feels like razor wire.

I would be thrilled if that happened. A 6-0 run after being 3-6? Sign me up, man. The Chiefs have ripped out my heart before. At least I would have a marvelous 6-game streak to enjoy.

How is that not better than “Game over, man, game over” [see “Aliens” Paxton character for pop reference] and despair in November rather than December?

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees no good reason to turn down a 6-game streak.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 11:55 AM
recognizing that this team sucks and has a 0% percent chance of ending the season in the playoffs has nothing to do with one's "fandom"...

Please, can we not start this “true fan” crap again?

I am not questioning anyone’s fandom. I am just asking if you have completely given up on the idea of making the playoffs.

xoxo~
Gaz
Figures anyone who hangs around a BB can be considered a fan.

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 11:56 AM
I would be thrilled if that happened. A 6-0 run after being 3-6? Sign me up, man. The Chiefs have ripped out my heart before. At least I would have a marvelous 6-game streak to enjoy.

How is that not better than “Game over, man, game over” [see “Aliens” Paxton character for pop reference] and despair in November rather than December?

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees no good reason to turn down a 6-game streak.


I'm just sick and tired of this team gettin' our hopes up, only to lay an egg....

because then the front office and CP pull the ole "we were so close" or "we've MADE the turnaround." Mediocrity breeds complacency with this crew.... :banghead:

Then they proceed into the next season not changin' a damn thing; or not nearly enough.

But that's just me I guess.

mlyonsd
11-18-2004, 11:56 AM
This forum's name is perfect.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 11:58 AM
Please, can we not start this “true fan” crap again?

I am not questioning anyone’s fandom...

Yes you are...

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 11:59 AM
I would be thrilled if that happened. A 6-0 run after being 3-6? Sign me up, man. The Chiefs have ripped out my heart before. At least I would have a marvelous 6-game streak to enjoy.

How is that not better than “Game over, man, game over” [see “Aliens” Paxton character for pop reference] and despair in November rather than December?

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees no good reason to turn down a 6-game streak.

And what will your response be if the offseason is "we came on strong. These guys are on the cusp of greatness. No changes need to be made."

And while we're at it, WTF is this "marvelous 6 game streak" sh!t? What ever happened to the "SB champ or complete failure" standard Schottenheimer was held to? What happened to the time when I was called an idiot settling for mediocrity when I said I enjoyed watching the Chiefs D play?

the Talking Can
11-18-2004, 11:59 AM
guess I wasn't clear enough....there is no chance this team ends up in the playoffs....some might refer to that as 0%

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 12:00 PM
And what will your response be if the offseason is "we came on strong. These guys are on the cusp of greatness. No changes need to be made."

I really wouldnt care what Gaz said, but would be dismayed if DV and CP said that.

jspchief
11-18-2004, 12:03 PM
I voted no. I believe this team can beat any opponent they'll face going down the stretch, but they've shown me nothing to make me think they can beat every opponent. There's no question that we're the scariest bad team in the NFL, but until the teams shows that they can get their heads in the game for more than one game at a time, I have to believ every week is just as likely to be a loss as it is to be a win. It's my personality. I'm a realist, which rarely translates into being an optimist.

It's one thing to say "any given Sunday", but we're now forced to say "every given Sunday". Every game we play from here on out is a play-off game, and I've seen how we do under that pressure.

I'll still go through my Sunday morning ritual. I'll still watch the game and cheer the good plays and steam over the bad ones. I'll still defend my team against any opposing fan. The one thing I won't do is start planning for a play-off game.

I'm going to face reality, and then if the Chiefs somehow defy the odds, it'll just be an extra X-mas gift.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 12:05 PM
I'd agree with that sentiment. Im concerned about their mental stability...

In both the TB and NO game, that WR fumble inside the opponents 10 yard line seemed to be the turning point in both games. It's uncanny how they both occurred at nearly the same time in both games....2nd possession that would have put KC up 14-0.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:09 PM
And what will your response be if the offseason is "we came on strong. These guys are on the cusp of greatness. No changes need to be made."

And while we're at it, WTF is this "marvelous 6 game streak" sh!t? What ever happened to the "SB champ or complete failure" standard Schottenheimer was held to? What happened to the time when I was called an idiot settling for mediocrity when I said I enjoyed watching the Chiefs D play?

I have never held that “Super Bowl or Nothing” is a reasonable standard. You are thinking about somebody else.

As far as you being called an idiot, are you sure it was only one time? That seems low to me...

As far as a 6-game streak, at this point that would be marvelous, would it not? Einstein was right.

As far as what was said in the off-season, it would depend on how that decision panned out the following season, would it not? If the team kicked serious butt, then I would say “gee, they were right.” If not, I would say “hmm, in retrospect, that was not a good decision.”

xoxo~
Gaz
Not crushed yet.

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 12:11 PM
As far as what was said in the off-season, it would depend on how that decision panned out the following season, would it not? If the team kicked serious butt, then I would say “gee, they were right.” If not, I would say “hmm, in retrospect, that was not a good decision.”
You watched X-Files to the very last episode, didn't you? ;)

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 12:14 PM
As far as you being called an idiot, are you sure it was only one time? That seems low to me...
I was referring to time in the sense of an era, that era has passed largely because reminiscing about a quality Chiefs D is like reminiscing about sock hops and soda shoppes.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:14 PM
You watched X-Files to the very last episode, didn't you? ;)

Well, yeah, but I did not enjoy the last few seasons as much. I was a big fan of the “monster of the week” stuff instead of the “vast conspiracy” stuff.

xoxo~
Gaz
Okay, FINE…he’s a geek, all right?

bricks
11-18-2004, 12:15 PM
I'm just sick and tired of this team gettin' our hopes up, only to lay an egg....

because then the front office and CP pull the ole "we were so close" or "we've MADE the turnaround." Mediocrity breeds complacency with this crew.... :banghead:

Then they proceed into the next season not changin' a damn thing; or not nearly enough.

But that's just me I guess.

No no that's the truth. that has happened several times before. They always shared those kinda beliefs and get burned in the a$$ for it. you would think they would learn from it. But, then they keep on pulling the same thing over and over, bunch of dummies.

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 12:15 PM
Well, yeah, but I did not enjoy the last few seasons as much. I was a big fan of the “monster of the week” stuff instead of the “vast conspiracy” stuff.

xoxo~
Gaz
Okay, FINE…he’s a geek, all right?

See any parallels?

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:23 PM
See any parallels?

Well, if Peterson is the evil, manipulative Smoking Man and Vermeil is the well-meaning but basically inept Skinner, that would make Saunders and Cunningham Scully and Mulder. And neither Saunders nor Cunningham is a hottie…

Nope. Not seeing any parallels that do not clash with my strictly heterosexual inclination.

xoxo~
Gaz
Definitely not picturing Gunther in a strapless gown…not picturing…AUGH!!!

KCJohnny
11-18-2004, 12:29 PM
As of today, the Vermiel regime is an underwhelming 30-27 with a single winning season and lone playoff first round appearance/exit. I'm still hoping for a miracle this season, Gaz, but I am thoroughly unimpressed by 30-27 after 4 years, 25 draft picks, and 6 pro-bowlers on offense...

Coogs
11-18-2004, 12:31 PM
I'm out. Way too many teams 3 games or more in front of us. But I can't wait for Monday's game either. I can't wait to see Blaylock at RB again. As much as I like Holmes, I just loved watching Blaylock last Sunday. Reminded me of Joe Delaney.

Remember, I loved this team in the 70's and 80's, so this is nothing. Looking forward to rebuilding actually. Something us oldtimers are use to.

Baby Lee
11-18-2004, 12:33 PM
Well, if Peterson is the evil, manipulative Smoking Man and Vermeil is the well-meaning but basically inept Skinner, that would make Saunders and Cunningham Scully and Mulder. And neither Saunders nor Cunningham is a hottie…

Nope. Not seeing any parallels that do not clash with my strictly heterosexual inclination.

xoxo~
Gaz
Definitely not picturing Gunther in a strapless gown…not picturing…AUGH!!!

I know you are smarter than that. I'm talking about a show starting with promise only to peter out and consistently disappoint. And all the while you continue to watch hoping to see the fruition of something hinted at, but never realized.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:41 PM
I know you are smarter than that. I'm talking about a show starting with promise only to peter out and consistently disappoint. And all the while you continue to watch hoping to see the fruition of something hinted at, but never realized.

So my choices are to quit watching or enjoy what is broadcast to the best of my ability?

I do not fault those who tune out, but I’ll keep watching, thanks.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has nowhere else to go.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:46 PM
“Underwhelming” is a nice understatement.

I doubt there is anyone who is not underwhelmed by the Chiefs this season.

xoxo~
Gaz
Over-underwhelmed.

bricks
11-18-2004, 12:50 PM
First off, let me clarify this:

-Gaz your optimism is greatly appreciated.

-Realistically though, the Chiefs are not going to win out and make the playoffs.

-Here's my reasons:

-First off, when you lose to teams like Carolina, Houston, Jacksonville, New Orleans, and Tampa Bay. you don't deserve to make the playoffs. So what is it that makes you have hope and believe we can win out and make the playoffs? Is this not enough to convince you that the Chiefs are a bad team?

-Guess not. I shall proceed with further discussion then:

It is not only the fact that we lost to these teams like Carolina, Houston, Jacksonville, New Orleans, and Tampa Bay. But, it is how we lost!

Here's a breakdown analysis of how the Chiefs lost those games:

1.Carolina @ KC-Carolina misses 2 of it's key offensive starters, and still piles up offensive numbers against the Chiefs defense. It is pretty sad when Deshaun Foster runs for 174 yards against the Chiefs defense. It is also sad when Jake Delhomme throws for 3 TD passes against the Chiefs Defense without Steve Smith! Plus, the Chiefs lost that game due to lack of discipline and focus, 10 penalities is asking for a loss, so is when the Chiefs offense turns the ballover 3 times.

2.Houston @ KC-Now, lets take the Houston game, Chiefs played a reasonably well game, and quite frankly played good enough to win this game. they just simply gave Houston a chance to hang into the ballgame and proceed with a victory. We were convicted of something like 5 defensive penalities that gave
houston 1st downs. And all those penalities were on third and long. Our red zone offense this game was ineffective, we couldn't capitalize every time we entered their red zone. That hurts right there. The real killer was the interception returned for a touchdown by Marcus Coleman. that was the turning point of the game right there. All this panned out, and made a difference for Houston to win the ballgame.

3.KC@Jacksonvile-Another game the Chiefs could've reasonably won. They had the lead late in the ball game, but, the kicker misses the XP, the defense stops Jax on there ensuing drive, Chiefs offense gets the ball back, but, can't run out the clock! Our frigg'n damn kicker, misses a field goal! Jax gets the ball back and scores to take a 22-16 lead that eventually won them the game.

4.KC@TB-Ugly pathetic performance by our defense. TB had only scored 107 points in the season. We scored 101 points in 2 games. Our defense makes there offense look like Indy. 34 points in a game was a season high for them.
Our team gets 10plus penalities asking for disaster again, we turn the ball over 4 times, and the result 34-31 TB over KC.

5.KC@NWO-This was the game that convinced me KC WILL not make the playoffs! When your team get 511 yards of total offense, and outplays its opposition in every aspect of the game, and you STILL lose that pretty much sums up the story of the Chiefs this year. We dominated them in TOP, yards, sacks, pretty much everything. So why did we lose? Because of stupidity, 12 penalities, and 4plus turnovers.

*Bottomline, bad teams find a way to lose, and good teams find a way to win. The Chiefs find ways to lose. That pretty much sums up why they won't make the playoffs. they are a BAD team. And to top it off, the coach says, "the playoffs are over", gives me and some of the fans plenty of reason to believe they are done. if that can't convince you, then I don't know what will.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 12:58 PM
bricks-

I would not bet money on the Chiefs winning out and going to the playoffs. I do not even consider it likely. I choose to be optimistic, not blind.

My question was whether folks have given up. That is not to say will you not even watch the games [although some folks have fallen that far], but will you put your heart on the line each and every game? Or have you given up on the playoffs and watch to see how this player or that player does?

xoxo~
Gaz
Would need some phenomenal odds to make a bet.

Mr. Laz
11-18-2004, 01:07 PM
I'm with you; but I ain't holdin' my breath.... :shake:

same with me... im still hopeful we can make the playoffs


but my brain knows that such things are highly unlikely



similiar attitude i have about winning the lottery



hope for the best, expect the worst

siberian khatru
11-18-2004, 01:08 PM
I guess what frustrates me the most about Gaz's take is that he doesn't seem to attempt to consider anything other than the game in front of his nose. I guess that's the byproduct of an analytical mind -- he cannot foresee the future, nor can he as a fan and BBS participant affect the present, so he's content to watch the game each week, hope for the best and settle for whatever happens. Then he'll just crank it back up again each week, next season, etc.

Me, I'm more emotional than that. I can't get excited about winning 6 straight and then losing the season finale, just missing the playoffs, and then saying "Hey, that was a FUN 6-game winning streak we had." Because I'm one of those "Super Bowl or bust" guys. Now, when you're coming off the Jack Steadman era, watching Nick Lowery's FG attempt fall just short is crushing, but you have hope that you're building on something, and that tomorrow brings renewed promise.

But after 15 years of failed -- and by failed, I mean no SB appearances -- administration of this team, I am not satisfied with winning records and occasional playoff appearances. Well, I know Gaz isn't either, but he seems comfortable being a passive observer. That's his kind of fandom, and if it works for him or you, fine.

But I just can't be so bloodless about it. I'm goddamn sick and tired of watching San Diego and Carolina and Atlanta go to Super Bowls but not MY f*cking team, and winning 6 in a row to salvage a 3-6 start ain't gonna cut it. If they win 7 in a row to miraculously make the playoffs, they goddamn better keep on winning in the postseason. Otherwise, it's the SOS from Carl, and all that does is give him excuses to keep his job for another 15 frigging SB-less years.

Hell, I don't WANT to see them lose out; I WANT them to WIN OUT, all the way. I just don't want to see them do just enough to keep Carl's job so we can keep hovering in mediocrity for years and years.

Rant over.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 01:14 PM
Is there a different type of fan than the passive observer? Im interested in hearing this.

KCJohnny
11-18-2004, 01:18 PM
Gaz, would you say that Vermiel & co have had ample time/opportunity to pitch their strategy? I believe Marty was at .650 by the end of his 4th season and he inherited a team that was 4-11-1 (IIRC)...I think KC went to the post season in '90, '91 nd '93...

Gaz
11-18-2004, 01:21 PM
...I guess that's the byproduct of an analytical mind -- he cannot foresee the future, nor can he as a fan and BBS participant affect the present, so he's content to watch the game each week, hope for the best and settle for whatever happens. Then he'll just crank it back up again each week, next season, etc.
...

That is about it.

My intense emotional attachment lasts for about 3 hours each week.

I rage and scream and whoop and howl during the game. When the game is over, I fondly remember the good plays and run What If scenarios with the bad plays. I wonder if Fox would be an improvement over Caver. I wonder what Gunther could do with a solid MLB. I wonder if the lousy performance of our secondary is talent, scheme, new coverage rules, bad karma, so forth. I conjure with how many games we have to win to make the playoffs and how likely that is. I look back and see missed opportunities as far back as I have been a fan.

At some point, I realize that the season is effectively over and we are not going to the playoffs. For me, that point is not here yet. There is a chance [a slim one, to be sure] but still a finite chance that we could make the playoffs. Until that moment is reached, I am still hopeful. That does not mean that I am blind to our weaknesses or wish other decisions had been made in the off-season. It just means that I have not given up yet.

We are still alive. True, we are on the cart [we have to win every game unless San Diego and Denver both help us out], but we are not dead yet.

And when [if?] we are finally booted out, I will start pondering next season.

xoxo~
Gaz
Learned long ago not to stress so much over a game.

siberian khatru
11-18-2004, 01:23 PM
Is there a different type of fan than the passive observer? Im interested in hearing this.

Honestly, Titus, I don't know what you want out of this. You rip folks who criticize and complain, and then you post that you have doubts about Lamar's commitment to making changes or that you thought they were doomed after the Minnesota game last year.

Help me out. How should I properly use this board and express my thoughts? Maybe you're just playing around, picking at a word or phrase out of long posts like a thread on a sweater and seeing if you can unravel the whole thing. I don't know, and I don't care if that's the game.

I see Gaz as accepting what's given him. A 9-7 record with a 6-game winning streak? Hey, the streak was FUN! Can't wait for next year.

I'm different. I want to have the impression the team is building to something. I don't get that feeling with Carl anymore. The only way he could convince me is if they win the AFC this year; so if they're gonna go on a winning streak, they better keep winning. Otherwise, I don't want anything that's gonna keep Carl around.

Maybe that's the wrong attitude to have. Maybe I didn't say it well enough for you. As I posted before, that was a rant, not a philosophical treatise. It's not supposed to have airtight logic; it's just a vein opening up.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 01:28 PM
KCJohnny-

No. Vermeil still has another season to go. I will wait until then before conducting a post mortem of his tenure as HC.

I do not care about Marty’s win/loss record. I saw Martyball in action and am not interested in seeing it again. Marty pulled this team out of the cellar and made them perennial also-rans. But he was incapable of getting them any further that slightly above average. I was happy when he left and I am still happy.

It may be that Vermeil will not get us to the Super Bowl. But I have far more faith in him getting there than I ever did in Marty. I do miss that potent Defense, though. Hopefully, Gunther will give us a better D next season.

xoxo~
Gaz
Giving Vermeil the courtesy of finishing the contract.

Logical
11-18-2004, 01:28 PM
Why would draft position matter if CP is the one doing the drafting?

Cant have your cake and eat it too...

I believe that if we are in the 2-6 spots Carl will not trade down and as such will not take one of his idiotic project picks. So in my opinion it does matter.

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 01:31 PM
Is there a different type of fan than the passive observer? Im interested in hearing this.

Depends what you mean by "passive?" :)

Brock
11-18-2004, 01:32 PM
I believe that if we are in the 2-6 spots Carl will not trade down and as such will not take one of his idiotic project picks. So in my opinion it does matter.


This is a lousy year to be in the top 10, it appears to me.

Gaz
11-18-2004, 01:33 PM
Depends what you mean by "passive?" :)

Does screaming at the television count as "passive?"

xoxo~
Gaz
Probably does not qualify during the game.

KCJohnny
11-18-2004, 01:34 PM
Fair enough, Gaz.
I feel differently, of course. The 90s Chiefs were better than just above average. Only the Cowboys and Bills had more wins (the Bills by 1); The Chiefs were favored to get in every year and when they did lose, it was usually close ('95/'97 come to mind). No excuses for Schottenheimer; but I think it is more than fair to say that after their first 4 years, Schottenheimer's teams were more balanced, won more games, made the playoffs more often, and sustained a consistent, winning team year in and year out. The Vermiel Chiefs had one super season that ended in an embarassing meltdown, and 3 seasons of .500 or less (unless the Chiefs finish 6-1 or better).

I'm OK with people being glad Marty is gone; I was. I think it is disingenuous for the same people (not you) who castigated Schottenheimer as a failure will not judge Vermiel with like standards.

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 01:34 PM
Honestly, Titus, I don't know what you want out of this. You rip folks who criticize and complain, and then you post that you have doubts about Lamar's commitment to making changes or that you thought they were doomed after the Minnesota game last year.

Help me out. How should I properly use this board and express my thoughts? Maybe you're just playing around, picking at a word or phrase out of long posts like a thread on a sweater and seeing if you can unravel the whole thing. I don't know, and I don't care if that's the game.

Correction, sk, I rip folks that make stuff up...I dont have a problem with complaints or criticism. Look, while many paint me as some sort of blind homer, Im realistic about the situation.

I cant help you express your thoughts...I found the 'Im not a passive fan' line funny and wanted to poke you for it. Being a fan of a team is passive--fan's dont impact the team except for buying/not buying tickets.

Logical
11-18-2004, 01:35 PM
How about a bit of "What If" here. Let us say you could decide between a 7-0 tear to end the season and enter the playoffs as AFC West champions or a dismal season and Peterson resigning at the end of it.

Would you give up a miraculous playoff run in exchange for a new staff?

xoxo~
Gaz
Knows what he would pick.


Give me 0-7 and Carl shown the door.

Vlad
Dreaming the impossibly glorious dream

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 01:35 PM
I believe that if we are in the 2-6 spots Carl will not trade down and as such will not take one of his idiotic project picks. So in my opinion it does matter.

So you think the Sims pick has worked out? Are you school of thought that Carl cant screw up a top 10 pick but anything else is fair game?

Brock
11-18-2004, 01:36 PM
Who isn't calling Vermeil a failure? As the coach of the Chiefs, of course he is a failure. He should be fired after this year, just as Schottenheimer should have been fired after 4 or 5 years of failure.

KCJohnny
11-18-2004, 01:40 PM
Who isn't calling Vermeil a failure? As the coach of the Chiefs, of course he is a failure. He should be fired after this year, just as Schottenheimer should have been fired after 4 or 5 years of failure.
:hmmm:

That surprises me.
I think people would like to watch a more entertaining team (Dickyball) and lose early than watch a fundamentally sound maulball team (Martyball) and lose late.

FWIW, I think there are degrees of losing, and as a Chiefs HC, Schott is above Vermiel in that echelon.

Mr. Kotter
11-18-2004, 01:46 PM
Give me 0-7 and Carl shown the door.

Vlad
Dreaming the impossibly glorious dream

Unless we miraculously salvage the season, that's my second choice...

Logical
11-18-2004, 01:46 PM
So you think the Sims pick has worked out? Are you school of thought that Carl cant screw up a top 10 pick but anything else is fair game?

I think every draft pick has a chance of being a failure. I am not upset with the Ryan Sims pick. Is he possibly a bust, maybe. But he was a solid pick at the point he was selected, unlike the the LJ and Siavaii picks. The chances of me being upset with a pick in the 2-6 slot are very small and that would be a wonderful change.

KCJohnny
11-18-2004, 01:49 PM
I think every draft pick has a chance of being a failure. I am not upset with the Ryan Sims pick. Is he possibly a bust, maybe. But he was a solid pick at the point he was selected, unlike the the LJ and Siavaii picks. The chances of me being upset with a pick in the 2-6 slot are very small and that would be a wonderful change.
What if its another RB? And our QB is what, 34? Our WRs are in their 30s, too. The OL is aging fast. Richardson is what, 32? Age is creeping up on our team and I would not be surprised to see KC draft "best player available on the board" with their pick. That's usually an offensive skill player, no?

KCTitus
11-18-2004, 01:51 PM
I think every draft pick has a chance of being a failure. I am not upset with the Ryan Sims pick. Is he possibly a bust, maybe. But he was a solid pick at the point he was selected, unlike the the LJ and Siavaii picks. The chances of me being upset with a pick in the 2-6 slot are very small and that would be a wonderful change.

Well, Sims was before LJ and your 'transformation', so I can understand that.

Every pick is a crap shoot even in positions 2-6. My point was if you're of the opinion that Carl and his staff cant properly evaluate talent or are easily wowed by good combind numbers, then you should care what position KC drafts in as long as CP is doing the drafting.

Logical
11-18-2004, 01:54 PM
This is a lousy year to be in the top 10, it appears to me.

I don't know.

I really like Antrel Rolle, Brayton Edwards, Derrick Johnson, and Marlin Jackson. I would not be upset with Mike Williams, Mark Clayton, or Ahmad Brooks.

Are there better years, yup but this is a decent year for positions we need to fill.

Logical
11-18-2004, 01:59 PM
What if its another RB? And our QB is what, 34? Our WRs are in their 30s, too. The OL is aging fast. Richardson is what, 32? Age is creeping up on our team and I would not be surprised to see KC draft "best player available on the board" with their pick. That's usually an offensive skill player, no?

Actually lately not so much. RBs have been going mid to late round lately. Usually only a couple of QBs go top 10. How often to you see more than 1 WR at most 2 in the top ten. A top offensive lineman would be a suprise to me but not a disaster. We certainly could still use a top notch DE. The Chiefs have a huge amount of needs because Carl has done such a poor job drafting. Most likely he will continue to screw it up but I beiieve there is less chance if we are in a top 6 draft slot.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 02:32 PM
Give me 0-7 and Carl shown the door.

Vlad
Dreaming the impossibly glorious dream


Carl has made Lamar alot of money in the last 15 years....... IMHO, Lamar will let Carl hang around as long as he likes.

Give me the 7-0 run, going 0-7 is not going to change anything.

suds79
11-18-2004, 02:45 PM
Carl has made Lamar alot of money in the last 15 years....... IMHO, Lamar will let Carl hang around as long as he likes.

Give me the 7-0 run, going 0-7 is not going to change anything.

Neither will the 7-0 run.

Sure we might get in the playoffs. But for what? Just to get let down again in post-season?

I believe you either win the whole thing or you win nothing. This team isn't good enough to win it all. Let alone getting to the playoffs.

IMO our only hope is to get lucky and land a future defensive star in the draft.

Or several. :grovel:

philfree
11-18-2004, 03:02 PM
At this point thinking ahead is something I just can't do. I don't care about the playoffs at this point. I just want to beat the Pats on Monday Night. I do believe that if we were to somehow get to 10-6 we will make the post season but when you lose to the Bucs and Saints back to back there is jsut no room for that type of thinking. If we real off three wins in a row then I will start looking at playoff scenarios. Till then I just want our boys to find a win.

PhilFree :arrow:

Calcountry
11-18-2004, 03:05 PM
Let me clarify that by “hopeful,” I mean you have not given up. I do not EXPECT to make the playoffs. Too many things would have to go right in a season when nearly everything has gone wrong. Not bloody likely.

Still, I retain my hope [forlorn, perhaps] that the team can turn it around and play up to the potential we have seen in fleeting glimpses this season.

Is the bandwagon empty?

xoxo~
Gaz
Needs someone to homer with.

I never was in the bandwagon because I am chained to the back of it and can't get loose.

ChiefsCountry
11-18-2004, 03:53 PM
I want Peterson gone, but I would rather see the Chiefs go 7-0 and make the playoffs.

Chief Henry
11-18-2004, 03:53 PM
.....The Chiefs have a huge amount of needs because Carl has done such a poor job drafting.......

His draft picks have plain stunk...and we are in a world of hurt because of it.