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Pats Fan
11-18-2004, 05:11 PM
Pats Fan asking -- who was your best and favorite KC QB. On the Pats side, first Brady, then Grogan. Bledsoe -- glad to see him in Buffalo. The bum. Grogan was always my favorite, but Brady has changed my mind.

KC QB - Montana (in his twilight years), still the best QB that ever played the game.

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:14 PM
hmmm... there haven't been too many great chiefs qbs in my era of being a fan (started when I was around seven or eight, really--90 or 91)

green's good, deberg was good in his time... dave kraig wasn't bad either though... girlbac, eek, kill me now...

-EB-

HolmeZz
11-18-2004, 05:15 PM
Rich Gannon. :p

Pats Fan
11-18-2004, 05:16 PM
That is why I was asking. I was trying to think of a QB that KC had that was really good. All I could think of was Montana. Help my memory please. Thanks.

shakesthecat
11-18-2004, 05:17 PM
For me, it starts and ends with Todd Blackledge.

Pats Fan
11-18-2004, 05:17 PM
Gannon, went to the Raiders. How long was he with your team???

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:17 PM
hell, we've got the bad habit of getting qbs that are way past their prime... we've had several hall of fame qbs when it was 'too late'...

warren moon was a chief for a while... montana, obviously... gannon, though before he 'blew up'... kraig's a borderline hall of famer (damned small hands!!!)

-EB-

Pats Fan
11-18-2004, 05:19 PM
Now you have Trent Green, how would you rate this guy. I don't know that much about him. I will see for myself on Monday night. Hey, you beat the Colts.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 05:20 PM
How can there be a Chiefs QB thread without mention of Len Dawson

Skip Towne
11-18-2004, 05:20 PM
Lenny Dawson.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 05:21 PM
Lenny Dawson.


:thumb: Thank You!!

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:21 PM
green's a good qb--not a hall of famer, he started way too late in his career (he was a seventh round draft pick in 93 for the chargers, and didn't play a down in the nfl until like 97)

that said, he'll never be a team's answer to peyton manning--he'll always be good if he's surrounded with a good supporting cast, but I wouldn't rely on him to be the next john elway (I still hate that f*cker)

-EB-

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:22 PM
How can there be a Chiefs QB thread without mention of Len Dawson

who knows... something about the fact that I never saw him, he was way before my time...

-EB-

nychief
11-18-2004, 05:24 PM
len dawson by a mile.

I am waiting for the first BILL KENNEY rep!

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 05:24 PM
I think you can all guess who my favorite is??? Least Favorite was probably Bono.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 05:27 PM
I think you can all guess who my favorite is??? Least Favorite was probably Bono.

My least fav was Blackledge, what a disappointment. And when you think about all the others picked after him. :banghead:

Pats Fan
11-18-2004, 05:28 PM
Thanks Len Dawson. I remember the face. I just could not put a name on him. Yeh, you had a great one (other than Montana). Lenny Dawson, now that guy was good. I was remembering his face. Darn, thanks. See what getting old gets you. I remember the face, the play, not the name. Thanks. He was in fact a great QB.

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 05:41 PM
no Mike Elkins haters??

DenverChief
11-18-2004, 05:45 PM
Montana, Deberg, Green, Krieg, those guys were the best QB's the Chiefs had since I started watching (1989) Marty's first season

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:45 PM
f*ck mike elkins

there, feel better deberg??

-EB-

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:46 PM
matt blundin's my hero

-EB-

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 05:47 PM
matt blundin's my hero

-EB-

**** Matt Blundin!

Saulbadguy
11-18-2004, 05:48 PM
Marc Dunn.

DenverChief
11-18-2004, 05:48 PM
matt blundin's my hero

-EB- ROFL

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:49 PM
**** Matt Blundin!

Neg rep 4U

-EB-

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 05:49 PM
OMGcaseyclaussenROXERZURSOXER!!

-EB-

DJay23
11-18-2004, 05:49 PM
Steve Pelleur

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 05:50 PM
Steve Peuller and Steve Fuller had some good years here.....LOL

HolmeZz
11-18-2004, 05:54 PM
I forgot about Todd Collins.

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 05:55 PM
I forgot about Todd Collins.

no problem, almost everyone does, Its easy to do when he hasnt thrown a "meaningful" NFL pass in about 6 years.

HolmeZz
11-18-2004, 05:58 PM
no problem, almost everyone does, Its easy to do when he hasnt thrown a "meaningful" NFL pass in about 6 years.

Keep f'n doubtin' my all time favorite Chief QB. :harumph:

KC Margarita Man
11-18-2004, 06:00 PM
Lenny the Cool, then Green, then Deberg. I was also a big Kenney fan. He had to be the greatest at being able to deliver the ball from a prone position (bad o-lines in those days).

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 06:02 PM
During the 1960s the Chiefs franchise were the only club to capture three American Football League (AFL) championships. Coached by Hank Stram, the team had one of the AFLís most feared defenses. Quarterback Len Dawson, a five-time passing champion and future Hall of Fame member, led the offense.

Bwana
11-18-2004, 06:05 PM
For me it's a tie Dawson / Montana.

Rick
11-18-2004, 06:06 PM
GRBAC!! Ok, sorry, that's not even funny.

Spott
11-18-2004, 06:09 PM
Never really liked any of them that I've seen. Dawson was around before I was born. I admired Deberg because he wasn't a pu$$y like Montana, but none of the one's I've seen have been better than average for the most part.

foxman
11-18-2004, 06:19 PM
Ahhh the Fuller and Kenny days of 8-8 :thumb:

Calcountry
11-18-2004, 06:20 PM
hmmm... there haven't been too many great chiefs qbs in my era of being a fan (started when I was around seven or eight, really--90 or 91)

green's good, deberg was good in his time... dave kraig wasn't bad either though... girlbac, eek, kill me now...

-EB-
You forgot Len Dawson. :shake:

Spott
11-18-2004, 06:20 PM
Ahhh the Fuller and Kenny days of 8-8 :thumb:

More like the days of 6-10.

Calcountry
11-18-2004, 06:20 PM
For me, it starts and ends with Todd Blackledge.
ROFL Another Penn State first rounder.

ChiefsCountry
11-18-2004, 06:21 PM
Dawson is the franchise. After that Green has to be up there and Montana. Gannon was popular. Krieg and DeBerg just were good enough to get the job done. Then we have had too many crappy quarterbacks to name.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 06:23 PM
If Dawson could have played in todays game and rules.... Oh my.

Dawson
Green
Kenny
Montana
DeBerg

As for backups ........

Gannon
Livingston

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 06:24 PM
Has anyone mentioned Mike Livingston. He led the Chiefs in 9 games during their SB win season.

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 06:27 PM
You forgot Len Dawson. :shake:

no I didn't, he was just before my time...

that would be like a bears fan not mentioning sid luckman in their list of alltime best bears qbs... he was a hall of famer and alltime great, but VERY FEW people today know who the f*ck he was

-EB-

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 06:29 PM
Now the most accurate QB we ever had in the history of the team......

An Oakland castoff.... Tom Flores, his last year in the NFL as a player. 1969 .... 1 attempt and 1 completion for 33 yards.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 06:30 PM
no I didn't, he was just before my time...

that would be like a bears fan not mentioning sid luckman in their list of alltime best bears qbs... he was a hall of famer and alltime great, but VERY FEW people today know who the f*ck he was

-EB-

Yea but Len's still alive. Kinda

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 06:30 PM
tom flores was da BOMB in phantoms

-EB-

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 06:32 PM
Has anyone mentioned Mike Livingston. He led the Chiefs in 9 games during their SB win season.


I mentioned him before you did, but as a backup. He played wellthat 69 season as a backup, after Lenny retired, Mike didn't and couldn't do crap with the team we had. BTA, neither could anybody else.

Cochise
11-18-2004, 06:33 PM
Green is far and away the best I've seen.

Montana was better, in his prime, but Green has been better in a Chiefs uniform.

Ebolapox
11-18-2004, 06:34 PM
hmmm... give green and this year's chiefs offense that 93' defense with DT and neil smith, and I guarantee green brings home a super bowl

-EB-

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 06:37 PM
hmmm... give green and this year's chiefs offense that 93' defense with DT and neil smith, and I guarantee green brings home a super bowl

-EB-


No argument here, you could use any pre-2000 Chiefs defense and we would have won it all last season.

gblowfish
11-18-2004, 06:39 PM
I've been watching the Chiefs since 1965. Here's my humble opinion. We'll just talk guys who started at least a game or two and ignore the career backups:

Great Chiefs QBs: Dawson and Montana.

Good Chiefs QBs: Green, DeBerg, Kreig, Gannon.

Mediocre Chiefs QBs: Livingston, Bono, Jaworksi.

Crappy Chiefs QBs: Fuller, Grbac, Kenney, Moon, Pelleur.

Total Waste of Flesh: Blackledge.

My highly opinionated Chiefs page is here:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefsmain.html

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 06:52 PM
Question for you old timers on the board. So who were our QB's from like the mid 1970's to the early 1980's? I dont remember them, I guess i was too young then.

Spott
11-18-2004, 07:07 PM
Question for you old timers on the board. So who were our QB's from like the mid 1970's to the early 1980's? I dont remember them, I guess i was too young then.

I remember Livingston(barely), Steve Fuller and then Bill Kenney.

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 07:10 PM
I remember Livingston(barely), Steve Fuller and then Bill Kenney.

I remember Fuller, but thats the earliest one i can remember. I think he was drafed in like 1979 though?? SO who did we have after Lenny retired? IN the mid 1970's???

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 07:10 PM
Bill Kenney went from 79 to 88, then your boy Steve came in. Before that I think mizzou is right it was Livingston and Fuller. I can't remember who Kenneys backup was.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 07:11 PM
I remember Fuller, but thats the earliest one i can remember. I think he was drafed in like 1979 though?? SO who did we have after Lenny retired? IN the mid 1970's???


It was Livingston after Dawson then Fuller then Kenney then Blackledge then Deberg.

Inspector
11-18-2004, 07:17 PM
Lenny then Trent.

OldTownChief
11-18-2004, 07:18 PM
Here ya go.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/history/

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 07:24 PM
Here ya go.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/history/

thanks for the link. Ive never checked that stuff out before. I do remember Paul Wiggins vaguely when i was a kid......Greatest coach in Chiefs history!! LOL

Skip Towne
11-18-2004, 07:37 PM
Another QB that was around when Livingston was there was a dude named Jackie Lee. I'm not sure if he ever played though.

CosmicPal
11-18-2004, 07:42 PM
The only one to have taken the team to two Super Bowls....

Lenny Dawson

:thumb:

Spott
11-18-2004, 07:52 PM
It was Livingston after Dawson then Fuller then Kenney then Blackledge then Deberg.

Wasn't Jaworski between Blackledge & Deberg?

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 07:58 PM
Wasn't Jaworski between Blackledge & Deberg?

Yea, he was here in like 1989. I dont think he started many games?? We also had Mike Webster the HOF center from the Steelers that year as well.

Count Zarth
11-18-2004, 07:58 PM
I've been watching the Chiefs since 1965. Here's my humble opinion. We'll just talk guys who started at least a game or two and ignore the career backups:

Great Chiefs QBs: Dawson and Montana.

Good Chiefs QBs: Green, DeBerg, Kreig, Gannon.

Mediocre Chiefs QBs: Livingston, Bono, Jaworksi.

Crappy Chiefs QBs: Fuller, Grbac, Kenney, Moon, Pelleur.

Total Waste of Flesh: Blackledge.

My highly opinionated Chiefs page is here:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefsmain.html

Grbac/Kenney at least deserve the mediocre ranking. Grbac was pretty good his last two years here.

Spott
11-18-2004, 07:59 PM
Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Deberg_1990
11-18-2004, 08:12 PM
Grbac/Kenney at least deserve the mediocre ranking. Grbac was pretty good his last two years here.

True, they werent the greatest, but you have to give them props for at least throwing for 4000 yards once.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:49 PM
Another QB that was around when Livingston was there was a dude named Jackie Lee. I'm not sure if he ever played though.

Dawson, Lee, and Livingston was our QB's that year.

Jackie Lee was the top backup in the 69-70 SB team, he came in the game after Dawson got injured. Memory serves me right, Lee went down the same game and Livingston finished. Flores was signed the next week as a backup to Livingston after the Lee injury , who had been by Buffalo.

Mike Livingston was the # 3 QB on the roster. Mike started and lead the team to 9 wins in Dawsons absence. Lee came back after the 3rd or 4th game Livingston started but never became the starter because we were winning with Mike .

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:51 PM
Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Damn, That's 1 don't recall, I'll see if I can find that one.

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 08:59 PM
Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Wasn't it 1982 they had the strike ?

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 09:07 PM
You can find just about anything you want to know here ....

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/chiefs

Sure-Oz
11-18-2004, 09:09 PM
Trent Green and Joe Montana.

digi2fish
11-18-2004, 09:12 PM
Joe Montana is the first reason I became a Chiefs fan

ROYC75
11-18-2004, 09:27 PM
1982 and 1987 both years had strikes.

ArrowheadChief
11-18-2004, 09:30 PM
I think Steve Deberg was the smartest and toughest but, I'm going to say Trent Green the best

tk13
11-18-2004, 09:36 PM
For those looking for historical stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kanindex.htm

mississippichiefan
11-18-2004, 10:26 PM
Len Dawson, Joe Montana , Trent Green , Steve Deberg ,

craneref
11-18-2004, 10:26 PM
Len Dawson the ONLY Super Bowl winner, but you got to give props to Montana, even on the downside of his career he still stuck and broke it off to the broncos on Monday night at Mile High. Green has turned out to be the man and loved the grit of Deberg, but I would have to say Blackledge was my favorite BUST as a CHIEFS QB.

OldTownChief
11-19-2004, 12:07 AM
Damn, That's 1 don't recall, I'll see if I can find that one.

Our 87 scab QB's were Matt Stevens until he was injured than Alex Espinoza
http://www.kcchiefs.com/history/80s/

Miles
11-19-2004, 12:11 AM
Joe Montana is the first reason I became a Chiefs fan

Same here :thumb:

J Diddy
11-19-2004, 12:23 AM
Joe Montana is the first reason I became a Chiefs fan

Me too. With that being said Trent Green. I am a sucker for people who deal with adversity with class.

Trent Green is the definition of that person.

Did I mention my son's name is Trent?

NewChief
11-19-2004, 05:17 AM
Trent Green, of course. Because....I don't have to justify myself to you bastiges!

Wichita Lineman
11-19-2004, 06:49 AM
I started watching this team and their quarterbacks the year before they won the super bowl. I could have bought any quarterback jersey that has been worn but I only own or have only owned and worn one,and that is #10 Trent Green. The greatest quarterback this team has seen so far.

Chieficus
11-19-2004, 07:40 AM
Ted White! Ted White! Ted White!

(If I remember right...wasn't he supposed to have this super-strong arm, but wasn't very accurate and didn't have much of a brain to boot...) He was like the Jesse Haynes of QB's there for a year...

:jester:

Rukdafaidas
11-19-2004, 07:56 AM
Green
Dawson
Montana
Kenney
DeBerg

The biggest bust was, by far, Blackledge. We passed on Marino and Kelly for this bum.

KCJohnny
11-19-2004, 08:01 AM
Dawson
Montana
Grbac
Green
DeBerg

4 of those guys were masters at play-action...

Gaz
11-19-2004, 08:04 AM
I donít count Montana. He was and will ever be a 49ers QB, even if he and his wonky hamstring did have a one-night stand with the R&G.

1. Green [class, leadership, guts]
2. Dawson [the Cool]
3. Kenny [underappreciated in his time]
4. DeBerg [my personal favorite, but hardly the best]

xoxo~
Gaz
Wishes it was a longer list.

cadmonkey
11-19-2004, 08:04 AM
On the Pats side, first Brady, then Grogan.

How the hell could you not mention the fan favorite Tony Eason!!! ROFL

Chieficus
11-19-2004, 08:05 AM
Dawson
Montana
Grbac
Green
DeBerg

4 of those guys were masters at play-action...

That's one thing about Grbac... he was good at the play-action... unfortunately, the running backs he had to play-action off of were the likes of Bam Morris and Donnell Bennet...so...

suds79
11-19-2004, 08:06 AM
Since I'm a little younger (25) I can't comment on Dawson.

So my order would be:

1 - Montana. He's the greatest QB of all time for cryin out loud.
2 - Green. Just solid. Accutate, Crafty, Gutty, Smart. He's got it. Arm doesn't wow you though.
3 - Gannon. Just a winner.
4 - Elvis. Only thing I liked about him was his big arm. Fun to watch. And if I remember right, tended to beat the Bronc os. Could be wrong there but that's always a plus in my book.

KCJohnny
11-19-2004, 08:08 AM
Don't forget Elvis once singed the Faders for 504 yards, even in a losing cause...

alpha_omega
11-19-2004, 08:09 AM
Green

nmt1
11-19-2004, 08:12 AM
Mark Vlasic.

Gaz
11-19-2004, 08:17 AM
Don't forget Elvis once singed the Faders for 504 yards, even in a losing cause...

Yeah, and the Chiefs Defense smothered Vick and Atlanta this season.

Doesnít make them a good Defense, does it?

xoxo~
Gaz
Once won a poker pot and is ready to head for Vegas

InChiefsHell
11-19-2004, 08:17 AM
Green - The most underated QB in the league, I was amazed he got into the pro-bowl last year. He deserved it, I just found it hard to believe that they thought of him...he's got guts, want's to win, and is the first real leader we've had on this team since smokin' Joe Montana...

Dawson (before my time, but 2 SB's mean alot, plus I met him and he was pretty cool)

Montana - Dude. It's Joe. What else can you say??

MOhillbilly
11-19-2004, 08:20 AM
Grbac

KCJohnny
11-19-2004, 08:23 AM
Well, Gaz, we just disagree on this. Green has never had to carry the team on his shoulders as Grby did in '00. With teams knowing that we were passing on nearly every down, Grbac still threw for 4,169 yards, 28 TDs and only 14 pics. Not bad for a one-dimensional O that had no Priest...

shakesthecat
11-19-2004, 08:26 AM
Well, Gaz, we just disagree on this. Green has never had to carry the team on his shoulders as Grby did in '00. With teams knowing that we were passing on nearly every down, Grbac still threw for 4,169 yards, 28 TDs and only 14 pics. Not bad for a one-dimensional O that had no Priest...

Too bad he had the leadership skills of a gnat.

Gaz
11-19-2004, 08:28 AM
Too bad he had the leadership skills of a gnat.

On behalf of gnats everywhere, I demand a retraction of that slander.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wonders if amoebas have an advocacy group.

KCJohnny
11-19-2004, 08:30 AM
I'm not saying the guy was Unitas, just pointing out that whether you regard him a leader or not (I'm not particularly impressed with his meltdown in Baltimore), he carried the team on his shoulders in a way that no Chiefs QB has had to since Bill Kenney.

shakesthecat
11-19-2004, 08:31 AM
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On behalf of gnats everywhere, I demand a retraction of that slander.



I can't post'em AND retract'em.

Gaz
11-19-2004, 08:33 AM
I can't post'em AND retract'em.

Okay, now THAT was funny.

I actually snorted tea out of my nose.

xoxo~
Gaz
Lucky to have a mustache in place to protect the monitor.

shakesthecat
11-19-2004, 08:35 AM
I'm not saying the guy was Unitas, just pointing out that whether you regard him a leader or not (I'm not particularly impressed with his meltdown in Baltimore), he carried the team on his shoulders in a way that no Chiefs QB has had to since Bill Kenney.


I'll admit Elvis had his moments. The Raider game on MNF was a great one.

He also had more than his share of monumental brain farts.

KCJohnny
11-19-2004, 08:40 AM
Fair 'nuff, Shakes...

Otter
11-19-2004, 08:42 AM
Pat Barnes

InChiefsHell
11-19-2004, 09:18 AM
I was a Grbac supporter, and I still think he had some real talent. Sadly he was an ass. Plus he was named "Sexiest athlete of the year" in People or some such crap. SHoulda known then...

38yrsfan
11-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Bill Kinney .... for his toughness and his play-action skills.

milkman
11-20-2004, 05:46 PM
I think Steve Deberg was the smartest and toughest but, I'm going to say Trent Green the best

I'll give you DeBerg as the toughest, but Lenny was the smartest.

Lenny is head and shoulders above any QB in KC history, and my favorite.
I liked DeBerg and Kenney.
Montana had his moments as a Chief, but I didn't like him as a 9er, and never warmed up to him as a Chief.
His play as a Chief did raise my opinion of him as a QB.

Until he joined the Chiefs, I considered him one of the most overrated QBs of all time.
Even Steve Bono and Jeff kemp looked like good QBs playing with the likes of Rice, Taylor and Craig.

Trent has won me over with his grit.
He may not be a great, but I really believe he could put up similiar numbers to PayedATon, and do without all the histrionics at the LOs that that puss Manning does.