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PunkinDrublic
11-26-2004, 12:39 PM
Is it just me or are the Chiefs drafting too many players who are deemed project players on defense. Prime example is Junior Siavii. His selling points seemed to be size and strengths and it was pointed out that he needed to work on his technique. Eddie Freeman is another example the guy relied on his strength and power in college to dominate but lacked the technique to shed blockers. The Chiefs need to start looking more toward guys who have better fundamentals because a lot of times if players don't learn these things by the time they get to the pros they may never learn them.

The Bad Guy
11-26-2004, 12:43 PM
The Chiefs need to draft players that have produced for more than 1 season in college.

Examples? Larry Johnson, Junior Siavii, Ryan Sims, Sylvester Morris.

John_Wayne
11-26-2004, 12:46 PM
Would you say Kris Wilson is an example of what you want. He's a tweener. He's not fast, but not slow. He's not big, but not small. He's just a player. Or, at least, that's why they drafted him. We'll have to wait and see. If KW turns out to be good, then he would support your theory, right?

PunkinDrublic
11-26-2004, 12:46 PM
The Chiefs need to draft players that have produced for more than 1 season in college.

Examples? Larry Johnson, Junior Siavii, Ryan Sims, Sylvester Morris.

Exactly I think they try to hard to find a diamond in the rough.

MOhillbilly
11-26-2004, 12:49 PM
Football players is what KC should draft.
Id rather have a team full of football players than half a team of *stars*.

PunkinDrublic
11-26-2004, 12:50 PM
Would you say Kris Wilson is an example of what you want. He's a tweener. He's not fast, but not slow. He's not big, but not small. He's just a player. Or, at least, that's why they drafted him. We'll have to wait and see. If KW turns out to be good, then he would support your theory, right?

I'm not saying you altogether dismiss players who are strong and have good athletic ability I just think the Chiefs need to start placing a higher premium on guys who have solid fundamentals.

John_Wayne
11-26-2004, 12:54 PM
I'm not saying you altogether dismiss players who are strong and have good athletic ability I just think the Chiefs need to start placing a higher premium on guys who have solid fundamentals. My post was not intended to argue with you. I really want you opinion. Is Kris Wilson the type of player that you would like to see the Chiefs draft more often? I think your initial premise is correct and I think drafting more players like Kris Wilson is the answer. I agree with you. The Pats draft Kris Wilson type players, IMHO.

Ari Chi3fs
11-26-2004, 01:31 PM
i cant wait until Pioli gets here.

jspchief
11-26-2004, 01:37 PM
Exactly I think they try to hard to find a diamond in the rough.Diamonds are great, but we consistently pass on emeralds, rubies, and other precious stones to pick up rocks that we hope will turn out to be diamonds. So far, most of them are still just rocks.

Kris Wilson panning out would do nothing to the theory. He would just be an exception to the norm. Getting it right 1 out of 5 times isn't enough to justify this "project" BS.

Ari Chi3fs
11-26-2004, 01:45 PM
last i checked, Kris Wilson hasnt "panned-out" yet...

TEX
11-26-2004, 01:51 PM
IMO, the CHIEFS seem to draft these guys that have great combines rather than guys who have a history of playing well and it is absolutely killing them. Two guys that come to mind are Eddie Freeman and Kawika Mitchell. I'd like to think that this was just an ugly trend in the D.V. era, but then I remember picks like Bartee and Jenkins and then I remember who has been around for them all... :hmmm:

John_Wayne
11-26-2004, 02:09 PM
last i checked, Kris Wilson hasnt "panned-out" yet... Yes, exactly. It's all just "in theory" right now.

Skip Towne
11-26-2004, 02:23 PM
Ed Podolak is a good example of this. If you just looked at his numbers, you wouldn't even send a scout. He wasn't fast and he wasn't big. And he was white with no moves. But he was 100% football player. Dallas had a guy named Walt Garrison that was like that too. Just all guts and toughness.

go bowe
11-26-2004, 02:42 PM
Ed Podolak is a good example of this. If you just looked at his numbers, you wouldn't even send a scout. He wasn't fast and he wasn't big. And he was white with no moves. But he was 100% football player. Dallas had a guy named Walt Garrison that was like that too. Just all guts and toughness.walt garrison...

wasn't he the guy who was in the rodeo when he wasn't playing football?

i seem to remember him doing commercials for chewing tobacco too...

RedandGold
11-26-2004, 02:53 PM
Here's a quick list of guys that we could have had with our first picks since 2000:

2000: Sylvester Morris instead of:
Chris Hovan
Keith Bullock
Ian Gold

2001: (Traded for Trent Green)
Our best productivity out of a first round pick in quite a while, so I cannot complain.

2002: Ryan Sims instead of:
John Henderson
Roy Williams
Dwight Freeney
Phillip Buchannon
Ed Reed

Considering the talent available, moving up to grab Sims was not the best of moves.

2003: Moved down from the 16 spot and drafted Larry Johnson at 27.

Considering this was nothing more than an insurance policy for Priest Holmes, we could have easily addressed this need in free agency (i.e. Antowain Smith).

With a suspect defense, we could have stayed at 16 and addressed the DT position by drafting William Joseph. With the 27 pick, we could have drafted Andre Woolfolk, Boss Bailey, or E.J. Henderson. This would have freed up our second round pick to address our need for a true #1 WR in Anquan Boldin instead of reaching on another project in Kawika Mitchell.

2004: Traded from #30 to move into the second to grab Junior Siavii. With not much talent being available at the #30 spot, I do not blame the Chiefs organization for moving down and taking Junior Siavii. The selection of Junior at #36 could be easily considered a reach, but with the lack of talent on the board, I doubt we could have done much better.

We all know that hindsight is 20/20, but it wouldn't have been difficult to upgrade our talent level considerably with a little better scouting.

go bowe
11-26-2004, 03:02 PM
Here's a quick list of guys that we could have had with our first picks since 2000:

2000: Sylvester Morris instead of:
Chris Hovan
Keith Bullock
Ian Gold

2001: (Traded for Trent Green)
Our best productivity out of a first round pick in quite a while, so I cannot complain.

2002: Ryan Sims instead of:
John Henderson
Roy Williams
Dwight Freeney
Phillip Buchannon
Ed Reed

Considering the talent available, moving up to grab Sims was not the best of moves.

2003: Moved down from the 16 spot and drafted Larry Johnson at 27.

Considering this was nothing more than an insurance policy for Priest Holmes, we could have easily addressed this need in free agency (i.e. Antowain Smith).

With a suspect defense, we could have stayed at 16 and addressed the DT position by drafting William Joseph. With the 27 pick, we could have drafted Andre Woolfolk, Boss Bailey, or E.J. Henderson. This would have freed up our second round pick to address our need for a true #1 WR in Anquan Boldin instead of reaching on another project in Kawika Mitchell.

2004: Traded from #30 to move into the second to grab Junior Siavii. With not much talent being available at the #30 spot, I do not blame the Chiefs organization for moving down and taking Junior Siavii. The selection of Junior at #36 could be easily considered a reach, but with the lack of talent on the board, I doubt we could have done much better.

We all know that hindsight is 20/20, but it wouldn't have been difficult to upgrade our talent level considerably with a little better scouting.scouting? is that what they call it??

our player personnel department doesn't scout, does it?

i thought they just picked whoever needs the most coaching before they might be ready to play in the nfl...

TEX
11-26-2004, 03:05 PM
scouting? is that what they call it??

our player personnel department doesn't scout, does it?

i thought they just picked whoever needs the most coaching before they might be ready to play in the nfl...


Either that or they cut corners and put way to much faith in combine numbers.

RedandGold
11-26-2004, 03:07 PM
I honestly believe that we would have been better off firing all of our "player personnel" people, and just taking Mel Kiper's advice on ESPN.

Sure, Mel misses on a few players, but he has a better track record than we do on draft day!

mikey23545
11-26-2004, 03:51 PM
There's a few too many people on this thread who don't realize their 20-20 hindsight is matched by many other fans' in every sport.

royr17
11-26-2004, 05:11 PM
I actually think that Junior Siavii may turn out to be one of those projects that could actually turn into a star.

philfree
11-26-2004, 06:30 PM
I actually think that Junior Siavii may turn out to be one of those projects that could actually turn into a star.



Considering he missed the mini-camps he was on a slow steady path of improvement before the ex-donkey line coach had one of his new thugs leg whip him to the injury list. If my memory serves me though even though Jr was injured from the leg whip he never went down. He jsut kinda stood there like a tree. It would be nice for Siavii to work out like we all hope.


PhilFree :arrow:

BIG_DADDY
11-26-2004, 06:45 PM
I actually think that Junior Siavii may turn out to be one of those projects that could actually turn into a star.

I agree, I said from the beginning I liked that pick.