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Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 03:23 PM
SOMEONE.....correct me if I'm wrong.

Wasn't it just 1 or 2 years ago....that Woods MADE the Pro-Bowl; Wesley was prominently mentioned as a Pro-Bowl also ran....

Wasn't it just during the past two years, that I recall more than a few broadcasters and NFL experts calling Wesley and Woods things like "one of the best and hardest hitting safety tandems" in the entire LEAGUE?

Seriously, did I just imagine all that??? :shrug:


.....because THAT seems like a real long time ago right now. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Saulbadguy
11-29-2004, 03:24 PM
I don't know. They make lots of tackles.

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 03:25 PM
Pay day.

morphius
11-29-2004, 03:27 PM
I wish I could explain it. I know some people say that Woods played poorly last year, but him and Wesley were some of the only bright spots on the D, with Fuji offering some glimmer of hope at LB. This year all 3 have disappointed greatly.

HC_Chief
11-29-2004, 03:27 PM
Peter Giunta

Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 03:29 PM
I don't know. They make lots of tackles.

I thought so too; and, yeah, I know they've blown some coverages....but, hell, they are BOTH, often it seems to me, tryin' to compensate for our pathetic LB corp too. That takes them out of position on occasion, sure....

I just DON'T understand how they became "crap" over-night as some seem to be suggesting....

Maybe I'm just stupid though. :shrug:

morphius
11-29-2004, 03:31 PM
Peter Giunta
There is still that issue...

Chiefnj
11-29-2004, 03:40 PM
Woods played well until half-way through the year last year. Since then I think his poor play has been caused by a combination of age/injuries and trying to overcompensate for poor LB play. Woods and Wesley seem to bite on play action more often the past year or so. I would think they are doing that, in part, because they feel they can't rely on the front 7. I also think they are having trouble with yet another new scheme.

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 03:41 PM
Woods played well until half-way through the year last year. Since then I think his poor play has been caused by a combination of age/injuries and trying to overcompensate for poor LB play. Woods and Wesley seem to bite on play action more often the past year or so. I would think they are doing that, in part, because they feel they can't rely on the front 7. I also think they are having trouble with yet another new scheme.
This shouldn't be a new scheme to them.

Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 03:45 PM
This shouldn't be a new scheme to them.

Maybe they suffer from "short-term memory loss"??? :hmmm:

You know, Reefers! :cuss:

Damn, it; Ricky Williams has ruined the ENTIRE league.... :banghead:

j/k :p

BigRedChief
11-29-2004, 03:59 PM
Got paid. Why risk injury on a team going nowhere?

philfree
11-29-2004, 04:55 PM
Woods is old and has a steel rod in his leg which he broke 2 years ago. It's no wonder he is slowing down but Wesley should be hitting his prime but for whatever reason he's not. Isn't there another Ed Reed type of player coming out of the draft this year?


PhilFree :arrow:

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 05:03 PM
Maybe they suffer from "short-term memory loss"??? :hmmm:

You know, Reefers! :cuss:

Damn, it; Ricky Williams has ruined the ENTIRE league.... :banghead:

j/k :p
Well, there's no doubt the season has gone up in smoke. :p

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 05:04 PM
Woods is old and has a steel rod in his leg which he broke 2 years ago. It's no wonder he is slowing down but Wesley should be hitting his prime but for whatever reason he's not. Isn't there another Ed Reed type of player coming out of the draft this year?


PhilFree :arrow:Knowing all this, Carl chose to re-sign him to a 6 year deal.

ENDelt260
11-29-2004, 05:05 PM
Maybe I'm just stupid though. :shrug:

That's a totally independent issue.

Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 05:08 PM
That's a totally independent issue.

:p

philfree
11-29-2004, 05:09 PM
Knowing all this, Carl chose to re-sign him to a 6 year deal.

So :shrug: I don't remember what Woods signing bonus was but I bet it wasn't a cap buster. And he did go to the Pro bowl last years so re-signing him wasn't such a far out thing.

PhilFree :arrow:

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 05:15 PM
So :shrug: I don't remember what Woods signing bonus was but I bet it wasn't a cap buster. And he did go to the Pro bowl last years so re-signing him wasn't such a far out thing.

PhilFree :arrow:I believe we gave him at least $3 million signing bonus. I don't think it was a bad move, but I was against it, especially considering the length of the contract and Woods' age.

philfree
11-29-2004, 05:20 PM
especially considering the length of the contract

With a $3mil spread over 6 years we get Woods for Cheap the next year of so and then if we cut him after June 1st in two years we won't have to absord to much of a cap hit. Makes perfect sense to me except he isn't playing well.

PhilFree :arrow:

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 05:40 PM
With a $3mil spread over 6 years we get Woods for Cheap the next year of so and then if we cut him after June 1st in two years we won't have to absord to much of a cap hit. Makes perfect sense to me except he isn't playing well.

PhilFree :arrow:
It might have been a $6 million bonus. I don't recall and the search function is disabled. Here's Woods numbers from last year. Pretty excessive for his play...







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Rank Player Pos Team Salary Franchise Transition
1 Ty Law CB NEP 8,701,365
2 Patrick Surtain CB MD 7,297,871
3 Sam Madison CB MD 7,030,931
4 Marcus Coleman CB HT 5,493,985
5 Ray Buchanan CB AF 5,483,333 6,801,000
6 DeWayne Washington CB PS 5,262,500
7 Duane Starks CB AC 4,600,000
8 Troy Vincent CB PE 4,400,000
9 Chad Scott CB PS 4,360,000
10 Bobby Taylor CB PE 4,350,000 5,698,000

1 Jason Taylor DE MD 7,766,100
2 Robert Porcher DE DL 6,832,745
3 Gary Walker DE HT 6,250,000
4 Trevor Pryce DE DB 6,066,666
5 Phillip Daniels DE CHB 5,600,000 6,503,000
6 Chad Bratzke DE IC 5,437,000
7 Courtney Brown DE CLB 5,383,000
8 Travis Hall DE AF 5,278,571
9 Jevon Kearse DE TT 4,870,000
10 Greg Ellis DE DC 4,476,818 5,796,000

1 Bryant Young DT SF 8,418,049
2 Warren Sapp DT TBB 6,600,000
3 Orpheus Roye DT CLB 4,437,500
4 Luther Elliss DT DL 4,433,892
5 Seth Payne DT HT 4,175,000 5,613,000
6 John Randle DT SS 4,000,000
7 La'Roi Glover DT DC 3,675,000
8 Jamal Williams DT SDC 3,457,399
9 Pat Williams DT BB 3,234,000
10 Jason Ferguson DT NYJ 3,175,000 4,561,000

1 Ray Lewis LB BR 7,620,237
2 Jamie Sharper LB HT 5,875,000
3 Michael Barrow LB NYG 5,522,500
4 Brian Urlacher LB CHB 5,144,642
5 Lavar Arrington LB WR 5,006,394 5,834,000
6 Chad Brown LB SS 4,916,666
7 Mo Lewis LB NYJ 4,350,000
8 Jason Gildon LB PS 4,098,932
9 Warrick Holdman LB CHB 4,050,000
10 John Mobley LB DB 4,050,000 5,063,000

1 Jonathan Ogden OL BR 8,360,714
2 Larry Allen OL DC 8,060,999
3 Brad Hopkins OL TT 6,616,666
4 Leonard Davis OL AC 6,232,249
5 Ruben Brown OL BB 5,836,000 7,021,000
6 Fred Miller OL TT 5,748,350
7 Adam Timmerman OL SLR 5,024,750
8 Todd Steussie OL CP 4,941,666
9 Matt Lepsis OL DB 4,800,000
10 Jon Runyan OL PE 4,500,000 6,012,000

1 Adam Vinatieri P/K NEP 2,066,176
2 Ryan Longwell P/K GBP 1,600,000
3 Paul Edinger P/K CHB 1,570,000
4 Chris Gardocki P/K CLB 1,415,000
5 Olindo Mare P/K MD 1,403,136 1,611,000
6 Jeff Wilkins P/K SLR 1,327,500
7 John Kasay P/K CP 1,293,834
8 Jason Elam P/K DB 1,290,000
9 Matt Stover P/K BR 1,250,000
10 Todd Sauerbrun P/K CP 1,245,753 1,446,000

1 Peyton Manning QB IC 15,357,333
2 Brett Favre QB GBP 9,158,333
3 Mark Brunell QB JJ 8,750,000
4 Kurt Warner QB SLR 8,661,857
5 Tim Couch QB CLB 7,863,800 9,958,000
6 Donovan McNabb QB PE 7,824,390
7 Chad Pennington QB NYJ 6,835,808
8 Jeff Garcia QB SF 6,384,523
9 Kerry Collins QB NYG 5,450,000
10 Drew Bledsoe QB BB 5,400,000 8,169,000

1 Eddie George RB TT 6,583,335
2 James Stewart RB DL 5,066,666
3 Corey Dillon RB CNB 5,000,000
4 Curtis Martin RB NYJ 4,787,346
5 Jamal Lewis RB BR 4,396,367 5,167,000
6 Ahman Green RB GBP 4,050,000
7 Charlie Garner RB OR 3,852,000
8 Emmitt Smith RB AC 3,750,000
9 Jerome Bettis RB PS 3,750,000
10 Edgerrin James RB IC 3,703,988 4,494,000

1 John Lynch S TBB 4,933,333
2 Jerome Woods S KCC 4,541,666
3 Brian Dawkins S PE 3,928,812
4 Aeneas Williams S SLR 3,700,000
5 Robert Griffith S CLB 3,462,500 4,113,000
6 Reggie Tongue S SS 3,300,000
7 Lawyer Milloy S BB 3,250,000
8 Darren Sharper S GBP 3,066,666
9 Darren Woodson S DC 2,800,000
10 Dexter Jackson S AC 2,800,000 3,578,000

1 Kyle Brady TE JJ 3,317,250
2 Frank Wycheck TE TT 2,716,006
4 Stephen Alexander TE SDC 2,475,000
3 Tony Gonzalez TE KCC 2,381,370
5 Marcus Pollard TE IC 2,171,666 2,612,000
6 Desmond Clark TE CHB 1,696,666
7 Freddie Jones TE AC 1,696,666
8 Mikhael Ricks TE DL 1,600,000
9 Bubba Franks TE GBP 1,500,750
10 Jeremy Shockey TE NYG 1,486,666 2,104,000

1 Randy Moss WR MV 7,893,487
2 Marvin Harrison WR IC 7,709,590
3 Isaac Bruce WR SLR 7,240,709
4 Terrell Owens WR SF 6,661,235
5 Joey Galloway WR DC 6,640,714 7,229,000
6 Eric Moulds WR BB 6,100,000
7 Muhsin Muhammad WR CP 5,878,117
8 Jimmy Smith WR JJ 5,588,627
9 Joe Horn WR NOS 5,312,500
10 Keyshawn Johnson WR TBB 5,177,142 6,420,000

Deberg_1990
11-29-2004, 05:56 PM
I wish I could explain it. I know some people say that Woods played poorly last year, but him and Wesley were some of the only bright spots on the D, with Fuji offering some glimmer of hope at LB. This year all 3 have disappointed greatly.

Woods and Wesley played horribly in the playoff game last year against Indy. At least one of them should have been let go this past offseason. Woods used to be solid to average from about 1996 to 2000, but he was never dominating. Its telling that he didnt make the pro-bowl until his 8th year in and he was a starter for all of those years. Wesley is ok on occasion, but hes too inconsistant and cant cover to save his life.

Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 09:38 PM
With a $3mil spread over 6 years we get Woods for Cheap the next year of so and then if we cut him after June 1st in two years we won't have to absord to much of a cap hit. Makes perfect sense to me except he isn't playing well.

PhilFree :arrow:

I HOPE you are right...

brent102fire
11-29-2004, 09:44 PM
Weak LB Corps is the problem. Gunther must compensate for that by making Woods and Wesley play more of a FS/LB or SS/LB role. They are out of position alot because they must help out on run support due to the Chiefs weak linebackers.

Mr. Kotter
11-29-2004, 09:48 PM
Weak LB Corps is the problem. Gunther must compensate for that by making Woods and Wesley play more of a FS/LB or SS/LB role. They are out of position alot because they must help out on run support due to the Chiefs weak linebackers.

THAT was kinda my thought; but others don't seem to be buyin'.... :hmmm:

theultimatekcchiefsfan
11-29-2004, 11:01 PM
It might have been a $6 million bonus. I don't recall and the search function is disabled. Here's Woods numbers from last year. Pretty excessive for his play...







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Hey for some reason your name and password didnt show up. Can you please post them again. :p

BigChiefFan
11-29-2004, 11:07 PM
Hey for some reason your name and password didnt show up. Can you please post them again. :pYea, that's Carl Peterson, password:I'm a shitty GM.

morphius
11-29-2004, 11:10 PM
Woods and Wesley played horribly in the playoff game last year against Indy. At least one of them should have been let go this past offseason. Woods used to be solid to average from about 1996 to 2000, but he was never dominating. Its telling that he didnt make the pro-bowl until his 8th year in and he was a starter for all of those years. Wesley is ok on occasion, but hes too inconsistant and cant cover to save his life.
Everyone on D played horrible that game, the DC even gave up because nothing he called seemed to slow them down.

Gaz
11-30-2004, 06:45 AM
Weak LB Corps is the problem. Gunther must compensate for that by making Woods and Wesley play more of a FS/LB or SS/LB role. They are out of position alot because they must help out on run support due to the Chiefs weak linebackers.

Yep.

xoxo~
Gaz
In agreement.

BigRedChief
11-30-2004, 07:52 AM
Guys I'm of the opinion that its not one thing or one position. We need help at DE, CB, FS, LB. Gunther is not himself. Maybe hes doing the best he can with what resources he has. Leftover coaches from GR can't help either.

Wile_E_Coyote
11-30-2004, 09:05 AM
Is it a bit strange that a couple of games back, them keeping their starting postions was in doubt & now they both are injured...Great, now this season has got me in rumor mode