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Saulbadguy
11-30-2004, 07:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1934933

Butch Davis is out as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns.

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A source close to Davis told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Davis was fired during a meeting with club officials late Monday night. Reached by phone this morning, Browns president John Collins said Davis resigned and was not fired.

There has been no decision on a replacement, but Mortensen is reporting that team owner Randy Lerner intends to meet with a group of Browns players to discuss who will be selected as the interim coach. Offensive coordinator Terry Robiskie and defensive coordinator Dave Campo are the leading candidates to take over as the interim coach for the rest of the season.

The Browns (3-8) are in last place in the AFC North and have lost five consecutive games.

Davis' departure comes a week after Mortensen reported that Lerner almost fired Davis after a loss to the Jets. The next day, the Browns put out a statement saying that the coaching staff would stay intact through the end of the season.

"Randy could not have been more direct or clear last week (Tuesday)," Collins told Mortensen, referring to the statement that Lerner put out saying Davis would be the coach for the rest of the season. Collins said Davis approached Lerner on Monday and told the owner that he felt he could not go on as head coach given that it had become clear that he would be fired at the end of the season.

Collins indicated the Browns would honor the four years remaining on Davis' contract.

Collins will address the media today at a 2 p.m. ET press conference at the team's training facility in Berea, Ohio.

Davis became the 10th full-time head coach of the Cleveland Browns on Jan. 30, 2001. In four seasons with the Browns (2001-04), Davis' teams went 24-35 (.407) in the regular season and qualified for the AFC playoffs with a 9-7 record in 2002.

There has been speculation that Davis will pursue a high-profile college job. One newspaper report said there is mutual interest between Davis and the University of Florida. Davis coached at the University of Miami before joining the Browns in 2001.

Robiskie is in his fourth season with the Browns, his first as offensive coordinator. His only NFL head coaching experience came with the Washington Redskins in 2000, when he coached the team's final three games after the departure of Norv Turner.

Campo, in his second season with the Browns, was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys from 2000 to 2002. The Cowboys went 15-33 under Campo.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2004, 07:27 AM
Wonder if this means he'll be our coach...

Bob Dole
11-30-2004, 07:29 AM
The Browns (3-8) are in last place in the AFC North and have lost five consecutive games.

That actually gets coaches fired?

the Talking Can
11-30-2004, 07:30 AM
another college coach down in flames...who's next?

morphius
11-30-2004, 07:32 AM
resigned, fired... either way we know he did it because he knew he was going to be fired soon enough.

Saulbadguy
11-30-2004, 07:33 AM
another college coach down in flames...who's next?
Dick Vermeil.

You know, most (if not all) coaches in the NFL have some sort of college coaching experience.

the Talking Can
11-30-2004, 07:37 AM
Dick Vermeil.

You know, most (if not all) coaches in the NFL have some sort of college coaching experience.

yes, but I'm talking about guys who skip the coordinator route in the NFL....I'm sure the success to failure ratio of heads coaches in college becoming head coaches in the NFL isn't much different than it is for coordinators moving into head coaching positions..but I've always had a bias against hiring college head coaches, not sure why..

Coach
11-30-2004, 07:53 AM
yes, but I'm talking about guys who skip the coordinator route in the NFL....I'm sure the success to failure ratio of heads coaches in college becoming head coaches in the NFL isn't much different than it is for coordinators moving into head coaching positions..but I've always had a bias against hiring college head coaches, not sure why..

Well DV was the first special teams coordinator/coach in 1969, so take it FWIW.

the Talking Can
11-30-2004, 08:01 AM
Well DV was the first special teams coordinator/coach in 1969, so take it FWIW.

yeah, that was my point....he had NFL experience before becoming a head coach, but they probably all do somewhere...basically I just have a n irrational prejudice against hiring college HCs...

Coach
11-30-2004, 08:11 AM
yeah, that was my point....he had NFL experience before becoming a head coach, but they probably all do somewhere...basically I just have a n irrational prejudice against hiring college HCs...

Yeah, I know where you're coming from, but there are some coaches in the NFL that came from the college level and still managed to be successful (I.E. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, etc)

However, that is to me, old school stuff. It seems to me that not many college football coaches are willing to take a job as a Special Teams, Offensive, or Defensive coordinator before becoming an head coach in today's time. In the past, you'd see plenty of that (Walsh, Vermeil, etc)

I think the only coach right off my head that has not been any kind of a head coaching job in the college level is Jon Gruden. He did coach at the college level, but as far as I'm concerned, it didn't say that he had a head coaching job in the college ranks.

MichaelH
11-30-2004, 08:12 AM
This was taken from the AP newswire:

"When he joined the Browns in 2001, Davis promised to lead Cleveland to the Super Bowl. But after a tenure marked by some poor drafting, he leaves far short of that goal, and the team doesn't seem any closer to a title than when Davis arrived."

WOW! Sound familiar? :(

philfree
11-30-2004, 08:58 AM
WOW! Sound familiar?

Not really. The Chiefs improved in year two of DV and then improved again in year 3 and went 13-3 winning the Division and securing a homefield playoff birth. Yeah we fugged it up but that's a far cry from what Butch did in Cleveland. He did get them a Wild Card birth in 2002 I think with a 9-6 or 8-8 record.

PhilFree :arrow:

ChiefsCountry
11-30-2004, 09:10 AM
Wonder if this means he'll be our coach...

That is what I was wondering if he would be Florida Gators new coach.

MichaelH
11-30-2004, 09:15 AM
Not really. The Chiefs improved in year two of DV and then improved again in year 3 and went 13-3 winning the Division and securing a homefield playoff birth. Yeah we fugged it up but that's a far cry from what Butch did in Cleveland. He did get them a Wild Card birth in 2002 I think with a 9-6 or 8-8 record.

PhilFree :arrow:

I was refering to the poor drafting.

Sure DV got us to 13-3. And what do we have to show for it? A SuperBowl hangover without even playing in the Superbowl.

Braincase
11-30-2004, 09:26 AM
Has Florida named a replacement yet? I'd look for Davis to return to the Sunshine state if he decides he wants to chew off a bit more.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2004, 09:44 AM
Has Florida named a replacement yet? I'd look for Davis to return to the Sunshine state if he decides he wants to chew off a bit more.

not yet. They said they'll hire a new coach in December.

jAZ
11-30-2004, 09:47 AM
Say hello to the next Florida Gators head coach.

Amnorix
11-30-2004, 09:53 AM
What's absolutely amazing to me is that he was able to consolidate power last offseason after a 5-11 record. WTF? :spock:

RedNeckRaider
11-30-2004, 10:25 AM
Say hello to the next Florida Gators head coach. Makes sense

Kraut
11-30-2004, 11:00 AM
this was coming, but I thought that they would wait to the end of the year. The team got blown out this past week but they never gave up. That tells me they knew his job was on the line and they were playing for him to at least stay until the end of the year.

KCWolfman
11-30-2004, 11:08 AM
The man still has 4 years on his contract? That is insane in a pay by performance field for coaches.

Is this a reaction to the beating taken from Cincinnati?

Kraut
11-30-2004, 11:11 AM
The man still has 4 years on his contract? That is insane in a pay by performance field for coaches.

Is this a reaction to the beating taken from Cincinnati?
Naa, this was talked about for a few weeks now. But I thought it would wait to at least the end of the year, or at least give him one more year.

KCWolfman
11-30-2004, 11:13 AM
Yeah, I know where you're coming from, but there are some coaches in the NFL that came from the college level and still managed to be successful (I.E. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, etc)

However, that is to me, old school stuff. It seems to me that not many college football coaches are willing to take a job as a Special Teams, Offensive, or Defensive coordinator before becoming an head coach in today's time. In the past, you'd see plenty of that (Walsh, Vermeil, etc)

I think the only coach right off my head that has not been any kind of a head coaching job in the college level is Jon Gruden. He did coach at the college level, but as far as I'm concerned, it didn't say that he had a head coaching job in the college ranks.
Walsh was an assistant to Paul Brown with the Bengals and Tommy Protho with the Chargers.

You are right about Johnson, but one in a million is the reason they call it one in a million.

Coach
11-30-2004, 11:35 AM
Walsh was an assistant to Paul Brown with the Bengals and Tommy Protho with the Chargers.

You are right about Johnson, but one in a million is the reason they call it one in a million.

Sure helped Johnson knowing that Jerry Jones was the owner, or the early version of Daniel Synder.