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Coogs
11-30-2004, 10:58 AM
Published Tuesday, November 30, 2004

Chiefs due for changes

By Rick Dean
The Capital-Journal
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Despite another miserable day at the office Sunday, Willie Roaf -- a guy who could walk away from his job at any time knowing that he's financially set for life -- reported back to work Monday with the vigor of a kid just starting out.

"He's one of our older guys, yet our people in the weight room this morning told me he was moving iron around like a rookie, even after taking a lot of snaps yesterday," said Dick Vermeil, Roaf's immediate supervisor with the Kansas City Chiefs. "He's still got a lot of pride left."

Roaf's current position, mind you, is considerably more secure than a lot of his teammates on the Chiefs, a 3-8 team due for some restructuring after an entire season of underperformance.

Easily one of the best left tackles ever to play in the NFL, the 34-year-old Roaf has a job with the Chiefs for as long as he wants it. The only question on the mind of his employers: How long does he want to work?

Tackle Willie Road (77) is one of few Kansas City Chiefs players with job security.
Click here to check for reprint availability.Roaf will get back to them sometime after this current season ends. He worries, though, that some of his co-workers likely won't get the chance to go out on their own terms. He worries more that some of them act like they don't understand that.
"Guys have to understand that we're playing for our jobs now and the coaches are coaching for their jobs," the future Hall of Fame player said Sunday after the Chiefs' 34-31 home loss to San Diego. "You've got to feed your family. When it goes down like this you have to keep fighting through it because you know there's going to be some changes.

"They'll understand that at the end of the season if they don't know it now."

Indeed, changes seem inevitable around Arrowhead in the next couple of months, though Vermeil said he plans on being around to make them. Nothing has happened yet, he said Monday, to make him abandon his plan to fulfill the final year of his contract next season.

While not yet ready to talk about the changes that are almost mandatory when a 13-3 team becomes a 3-8 one in less than a year, Vermeil understands the public demand for personnel upgrades -- especially on a 30th-ranked defense that has been one of the NFL's worst for three consecutive seasons.

"I don't necessarily see it that way," he said when asked if there were players who should worry about remaining employed. "But these guys know there's no job security in this league. Some are more secure than others, but overall, everyone is trying out for next year."

Vermeil only wishes that restructuring a football team was as easy as Joe in Raytown thinks it is as he vents his rage on talk radio. Adding new talent while retaining proven people who can still play -- like Roaf -- is a delicate balance difficult to achieve under NFL salary cap limitations.

"There's no easy way to rebuild," he countered. "There aren't 15 All-Pros willing to come to Kansas City and fit under our salary cap, or anyone else's cap. There are teams now who've got $98 left (under the cap) who will have to get rid of players.

"Personally, I don't think we're that far away from being better on defense," Vermeil added. "We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."


ROFL

Phobia
11-30-2004, 11:02 AM
Wow. I wish the search function still worked. I'd write a compilation of Dick Vermeil quotes and sell the book to disgruntled Chiefs fans for the holiday....

ChiTown
11-30-2004, 11:04 AM
"Personally, I don't think we're that far away from being better on defense," Vermeil added. "We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."

That's a big problem with Vermeil. He can't see how bad his fn defense really is, so he just fn keeps blowing sunshine up everyones ass. Holy hell.......I'm really amazed at that comment

MichaelH
11-30-2004, 11:05 AM
DV doesn't think they're very far from being better on defense because he still thinks it takes 45 points to win football games. Damn he makes me mad. I wouldn't put it past him to want to draft offense this year. :cuss:

Deberg_1990
11-30-2004, 11:07 AM
"Personally, I don't think we're that far away from being better on defense," Vermeil added. "We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."

That's a big problem with Vermeil. He can't see how bad his fn defense really is, so he just fn keeps blowing sunshine up everyones ass. Holy hell.......I'm really amazed at that comment


Exactly! If he would just come out and admit to the public that his defense isnt up to par, then the fans would respect him more for it. This in one of the reasons why our defense sucks. All of the lousy veterans and players know they have job security under Vermeil because he never makes any changes.

KevB
11-30-2004, 11:12 AM
"There's no easy way to rebuild," he countered. "There aren't 15 All-Pros willing to come to Kansas City and fit under our salary cap, or anyone else's cap. There are teams now who've got $98 left (under the cap) who will have to get rid of players.

He keeps repeating this mantra, "there aren't X All-Pros out there we can afford". Hey Dick, you don't need All Pros to upgrade this defense. You need average....that would upgrade. Fans aren't asking for 10 new Pro Bowlers. They're asking for guys that haven't proven over the last three years that they suck a$$. How about finding some young safeties that lay some wood. How about finding some young guys that have some speed at LB, or a DE that makes a play every 50 snaps? Or how about drafting a corner...that actually plays corner (I realize this is a novel, trend setting thought)?

Deberg_1990
11-30-2004, 11:14 AM
He keeps repeating this mantra, "there aren't X All-Pros out there we can afford". Hey Dick, you don't need All Pros to upgrade this defense. You need average....that would upgrade. Fans aren't asking for 10 new Pro Bowlers. They're asking for guys that haven't proven over the last three years that they suck a$$. How about finding some young safeties that lay some wood. How about finding some young guys that have some speed at LB, or a DE that makes a play every 50 snaps? Or how about drafting a corner...that actually plays corner (I realize this is a novel, trend setting thought)?


I couldnt have said it better myself. I truly hope that Vermeil doesnt honestly believe the BS that comes out of his mouth.

Swanman
11-30-2004, 11:15 AM
"Personally, I don't think we're that far away from being better on defense," Vermeil added. "We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."


ROFL

If you take away the fact that the Chiefs give up boatloads of yards and points to every team they play, no matter how mediocre, they've got a great defense.

That's basically the equivalent of saying "If you take away the fact that she looks like a wildebeest, she's really hot."

Someone should tell DV that Chiefs fans are loyal, not retarded.

Mr. Laz
11-30-2004, 11:19 AM
Someone should tell DV that Chiefs fans are loyal, not retarded.


ROFL ROFL



teh rep

MOhillbilly
11-30-2004, 11:19 AM
DV can suck carls PIPI!

Bearcat
11-30-2004, 11:20 AM
I'd say that as long as we aren't losing games 60-30, he'll always just look at the big picture and see the defense as one or two big stops/plays away from winning every game... but in that case, he'd probably talk about how the offense was a few plays away from winning the game :banghead:

The Rick
11-30-2004, 11:20 AM
"Guys have to understand that we're playing for our jobs now and the coaches are coaching for their jobs," the future Hall of Fame player said Sunday after the Chiefs' 34-31 home loss to San Diego. "You've got to feed your family. When it goes down like this you have to keep fighting through it because you know there's going to be some changes.
Oh no! Willie pulled out the "feed your family" line. Somewhere, Latrell Sprewell is smiling...

BigChiefFan
11-30-2004, 11:22 AM
Anybody that really believes that Vermeil can't actually see how shitty our defense is out of their minds, too. Hell, even Stevie Wonder knows our defense looks like shit. Vermeil's taking the high road.

King_Chief_Fan
11-30-2004, 11:27 AM
here's to a 2-14 season next year so that the senile old fart and his butt buddy Carl finally get run out of KC on a rail.

Bearcat
11-30-2004, 11:31 AM
He keeps repeating this mantra, "there aren't X All-Pros out there we can afford". Hey Dick, you don't need All Pros to upgrade this defense. You need average....that would upgrade. Fans aren't asking for 10 new Pro Bowlers. They're asking for guys that haven't proven over the last three years that they suck a$$. How about finding some young safeties that lay some wood. How about finding some young guys that have some speed at LB, or a DE that makes a play every 50 snaps? Or how about drafting a corner...that actually plays corner (I realize this is a novel, trend setting thought)?

Yeah... of all the crap they've spewed this year, this is as bad as it gets.

In the offseason everyone -- the fans, DV, Gunther, CP, Ron Jaworski -- knew all we needed was a defense that was ranked somewhere between 15 and 20.

Months later they're not only still defending what they did in the offseason, but now he thinks the fans want the #1 defense in the league?

:cuss:

shaneo69
11-30-2004, 11:46 AM
Rick Dean left out this tidbit from DV that I found somewhat encouraging....

"Everybody just assumes Ė and Iím not being critical of the media when I say this ó but there just arenít automatically 15 great all-pros that want to come to Kansas City and automatically fit into the Kansas City salary cap, or that go to anybody elseís salary cap. There are teams right now that have $98 dollars left and are going to have to get rid of players. But we will be in good position to be competitive."

KevB
11-30-2004, 11:53 AM
Oh no! Willie pulled out the "feed your family" line. Somewhere, Latrell Sprewell is smiling...

Brings back memories of the classic Patrick Ewing line. Keep in mind while reading the quote, he was the primary player rep at the last NBA/owner squabble. His justification to fans for NBA players holding out for more money (make sure you're seated if you haven't seen this one): "We might make a lot of money but, we also spend a lot of money."

htismaqe
11-30-2004, 11:59 AM
Anybody that really believes that Vermeil can't actually see how shitty our defense is out of their minds, too. Hell, even Stevie Wonder knows our defense looks like shit. Vermeil's taking the high road.

Exactly. What do people expect him to say?

Rick Dean left out this tidbit from DV that I found somewhat encouraging....

"Everybody just assumes Ė and Iím not being critical of the media when I say this ó but there just arenít automatically 15 great all-pros that want to come to Kansas City and automatically fit into the Kansas City salary cap, or that go to anybody elseís salary cap. There are teams right now that have $98 dollars left and are going to have to get rid of players. But we will be in good position to be competitive."

Excellent point.

KevB
11-30-2004, 12:43 PM
Exactly. What do people expect him to say?

I expect him to support his players publicly without fail. I don't expect him to insult fan's intelligence by suggesting we all believe it's feasible to go out and sign multiple Pro Bowlers to fix the defense.

ChiTown
11-30-2004, 12:44 PM
Exactly. What do people expect him to say?



Excellent point.

I think that pretty fn obvious, isn't it?

Chiefnj
11-30-2004, 12:54 PM
I think it is time for the old DV to come back. The old fire and brimstone coach. The sensitive guy thing hasn't worked with this defense the last 3 1/2 years, he needs to start calling them out and being honest. "We made some technical mistakes. Technically, we suck. We're out of position, we can't tackle, we don't contain, we don't cover, we don't make adjustments, we're just lost. Other than that, things are okay on defense."

The Bad Guy
11-30-2004, 12:59 PM
I don't want that old senile ass in any defensive meeting ever again.

Every friggen defense would be all-world if they never made technical breakdowns.

That's where talent comes in.

Nzoner
11-30-2004, 01:09 PM
I think it is time for the old DV to come back. The old fire and brimstone coach. The sensitive guy thing hasn't worked with this defense the last 3 1/2 years, he needs to start calling them out and being honest. "We made some technical mistakes. Technically, we suck. We're out of position, we can't tackle, we don't contain, we don't cover, we don't make adjustments, we're just lost. Other than that, things are okay on defense."

or as Jim Mora once put it,"we suck,we can't stop diddley poo"

go bowe
11-30-2004, 01:19 PM
or as Jim Mora once put it,"we suck,we can't stop diddley poo"can't stop "diddley poo"??

did mora's team try to stop larry johnson?

kc rush
11-30-2004, 01:41 PM
"Personally, I don't think we're that far away from being better on defense," Vermeil added. "We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."


The problem is that the same "technical mistakes" seem to be made every week. These players are physically and/or mentally incapable of correcting those mistakes or we would have seen improvement by now. Changes need to be made.

If he can't see that, a head coach change needs to be made.

KCTitus
11-30-2004, 01:54 PM
...by suggesting we all believe it's feasible to go out and sign multiple Pro Bowlers to fix the defense.

Maybe he got this impression by reading this BB...I dunno.

KevB
11-30-2004, 01:57 PM
Maybe he got this impression by reading this BB...I dunno.

I fine point that I hadn't considered.

Chief Henry
11-30-2004, 02:04 PM
DV can't spell D E F E N S E

Logical
11-30-2004, 02:45 PM
Exactly. What do people expect him to say?



....

I would love for him to say honestly,

We do not have the talent we need to win. We as coaches and as a Front Office staff have done a poor job evaluating talent and a poor job of selecting a coaching staff to develop our talent. It is time for a housecleaning, we cannot continue to field a defense ranked in the last 3 to 4 slots in the league it is unacceptable to me and I realize it is unacceptable to the fans.

ILChief
11-30-2004, 02:48 PM
Published Tuesday, November 30, 2004

"We'd have been better yesterday if not for some technical mistakes we made."


ROFL

If not for an iceberg, the Titanic would have been a nice pleasure cruise.

Bearcat
11-30-2004, 03:02 PM
I would love for him to say honestly,

We do not have the talent we need to win. We as coaches and as a Front Office staff have done a poor job evaluating talent and a poor job of selecting a coaching staff to develop our talent. It is time for a housecleaning, we cannot continue to field a defense ranked in the last 3 to 4 slots in the league it is unacceptable to me and I realize it is unacceptable to the fans.

:thumb:

I don't mind some of the positive spin, but to still be defending some of the choices is crap... it's not even about hindsight... some of choices were just dumb to begin with, and it would be much more logical for him to take responsibility for being 3-8 instead of the same old "If only this, this, this, and this had happened, we'd be a playoff-bound team".

Now that I think about it, it's similar to what the Rams have done over the past few years.... after every loss, didn't matter who... Warner, Faulk, Bruce.... they would all talk about how they "beat themselves". They lost the SB, and there wasn't a word mentioned about how the Patriots beat them. It was all about how they beat themselves.

Dr. Facebook Fever
11-30-2004, 03:05 PM
:thumb:

I don't mind some of the positive spin, but to still be defending some of the choices is crap... it's not even about hindsight... some of choices were just dumb to begin with, and it would be much more logical for him to take responsibility for being 3-8 instead of the same old "If only this, this, this, and this had happened, we'd be a playoff-bound team".

Now that I think about it, it's similar to what the Rams have done over the past few years.... after every loss, didn't matter who... Warner, Faulk, Bruce.... they would all talk about how they "beat themselves". They lost the SB, and there wasn't a word mentioned about how the Patriots beat them. It was all about how they beat themselves.
The organization seems to be in denial.

2bikemike
11-30-2004, 03:09 PM
I don't know what you are all bitching about. Our defense is close to getting better. There are 53 guys on the team and we only need about 8 new defenders. Thats close isn't it?

Logical
11-30-2004, 03:14 PM
I don't know what you are all bitching about. Our defense is close to getting better. There are 53 guys on the team and we only need about 8 new defenders. Thats close isn't it?

As long as those 8 are starters, I suppose you have a point.;)

Carlota69
11-30-2004, 03:18 PM
Its been awhile since I've been onthe board--however, I just want to say I still love my boys and I still watch every game--every snap. I still travel 30 minute one way just to watch the game. I Love the boys in red and gold.

Hope all is well with everyone and GO Chiefs! ( And Get a f'n defense while you're at it!) :)
Peace,
Carlota!

tk13
11-30-2004, 03:26 PM
it would be much more logical for him to take responsibility for being 3-8 instead of the same old "If only this, this, this, and this had happened, we'd be a playoff-bound team".


Just to look at it from a different perspective because I'm an asshole like that, that above statement is the truth is it not? This organization is cursed, we're what, probably 5 plays away from being 8-3 instead of 3-8. That's a fact. Look at last Sunday's game, if Dante hangs onto the ball on a kick return, we win the ballgame. That's it, if some freak chance thing doesn't happen in that scenario that has never happened before, the Chiefs win the football game. That's me though, after all the crap that happened in the playoff game last year (Priest's rare fumble, Morten's only under-40 FG miss of the season), I think I've just assumed this franchise is cursed, weird things are going to happen at the worst times, and we aren't going to win. That's how it goes I guess....

There are some things that can be fixed, and Vermeil has said since training camp that he didn't work the guys hard enough... he even alluded to it in his press conference today. Sometimes I think he's just thinking out loud when he says stuff like "if only we could've done this", because it's true, and it's his responsibility, and it didn't get done so it eats at him.

Bearcat
11-30-2004, 03:31 PM
The organization seems to be in denial.

The other day I was thinking about that picture (you know, that picture!).... the guy with his hands in the air that's been photoshopped a million times. The one that came to mind was after the Red Wings lost a playoff series a couple of years ago, and the caption was something like "The Red Wings did not lose. The Red Wings pounded their opponent and won the series.... deny, deny, deny....".

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

I might have it at home..... might need to photoshop :)

KevB
11-30-2004, 03:42 PM
Just to look at it from a different perspective because I'm an asshole like that, that above statement is the truth is it not? This organization is cursed, we're what, probably 5 plays away from being 8-3 instead of 3-8. That's a fact. Look at last Sunday's game, if Dante hangs onto the ball on a kick return, we win the ballgame. That's it, if some freak chance thing doesn't happen in that scenario that has never happened before, the Chiefs win the football game. That's me though, after all the crap that happened in the playoff game last year (Priest's rare fumble, Morten's only under-40 FG miss of the season), I think I've just assumed this franchise is cursed, weird things are going to happen at the worst times, and we aren't going to win. That's how it goes I guess....

There are some things that can be fixed, and Vermeil has said since training camp that he didn't work the guys hard enough... he even alluded to it in his press conference today. Sometimes I think he's just thinking out loud when he says stuff like "if only we could've done this", because it's true, and it's his responsibility, and it didn't get done so it eats at him.

I would agree, but it's not just a play here or there. Our turnover ratio, penalties, sacks, and red zone efficiency are all worse this year. That's why we are where we are, and we've had these problems consistently all year. That's not just bad breaks, that's just bad football.

bogie
11-30-2004, 03:53 PM
There's nothing he can do this season except finish out the season. I was one that believed that bringing in GC was a good idea and I thought our D would improve a lot by changing the "scheme". I was wrong and so was DV and many people on the Planet. I do believe there will be some big changes in personnel. But we've got to wait for the season to end. I don't believe DV is such an idiot that he can't see it. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll make some big changes.

Logical
11-30-2004, 03:53 PM
I would agree, but it's not just a play here or there. Our turnover ratio, penalties, sacks, and red zone efficiency are all worse this year. That's why we are where we are, and we've had these problems consistently all year. That's not just bad breaks, that's just bad football.Exactly, talented teams overcome their problems, bad teams, untalented teams just become losers.

patteeu
11-30-2004, 07:33 PM
Just to look at it from a different perspective because I'm an asshole like that, that above statement is the truth is it not? This organization is cursed, we're what, probably 5 plays away from being 8-3 instead of 3-8. That's a fact. Look at last Sunday's game, if Dante hangs onto the ball on a kick return, we win the ballgame. That's it, if some freak chance thing doesn't happen in that scenario that has never happened before, the Chiefs win the football game. That's me though, after all the crap that happened in the playoff game last year (Priest's rare fumble, Morten's only under-40 FG miss of the season), I think I've just assumed this franchise is cursed, weird things are going to happen at the worst times, and we aren't going to win. That's how it goes I guess....

There are some things that can be fixed, and Vermeil has said since training camp that he didn't work the guys hard enough... he even alluded to it in his press conference today. Sometimes I think he's just thinking out loud when he says stuff like "if only we could've done this", because it's true, and it's his responsibility, and it didn't get done so it eats at him.

I'm with you tk13. Last season, nearly everything went right for the Chiefs and they got a few lucky wins on their way to a league high 13-3. This year, the law of averages caught up with a vengence and we've had some uncommonly bad things happen.

Our defense isn't what it needs to be, but we aren't losing games by 2 TDs on a regular basis. The idea that we need 8 new starters (as someone said earlier in the thread, perhaps TIC) is ludicrous. The difference between a playoff team and a team like this year's Chiefs (who are better than their record IMO) is pretty small.

patteeu
11-30-2004, 07:36 PM
I would agree, but it's not just a play here or there. Our turnover ratio, penalties, sacks, and red zone efficiency are all worse this year. That's why we are where we are, and we've had these problems consistently all year. That's not just bad breaks, that's just bad football.

True enough, but interestingly, the things you mention are as much (or more) the fault of the offense as they are the defense.

The Bad Guy
11-30-2004, 07:51 PM
I'm with you tk13. Last season, nearly everything went right for the Chiefs and they got a few lucky wins on their way to a league high 13-3. This year, the law of averages caught up with a vengence and we've had some uncommonly bad things happen.

Our defense isn't what it needs to be, but we aren't losing games by 2 TDs on a regular basis. The idea that we need 8 new starters (as someone said earlier in the thread, perhaps TIC) is ludicrous. The difference between a playoff team and a team like this year's Chiefs (who are better than their record IMO) is pretty small.

The reason we aren't getting killed in games is because our offense can score points.

The way you phrased this post it makes it sound like last years team didn't have flaws.

It had major ones that were exposed this year.

This team could use 8 new starters realistically. Will it happen? No, but that's what they need.

We've completely changed philosophies. We've gone from read and react to just react and neither have worked.

It's the talent and until it's overhauled we are never going to get where we need to be.

Deberg_1990
11-30-2004, 07:57 PM
The reason we aren't getting killed in games is because our offense can score points.

The way you phrased this post it makes it sound like last years team didn't have flaws.

It had major ones that were exposed this year.

This team could use 8 new starters realistically. Will it happen? No, but that's what they need.

We've completely changed philosophies. We've gone from read and react to just react and neither have worked.

It's the talent and until it's overhauled we are never going to get where we need to be.

Exactly. I honestly thought we had one of the worst defenses i had ever seen in 2002. They made the criminal mistake of not retooling the secondary after that season and its killing us now. I wouldnt miss one single player in our secondary if they all left. Not one.

tk13
11-30-2004, 08:05 PM
I'm with you tk13. Last season, nearly everything went right for the Chiefs and they got a few lucky wins on their way to a league high 13-3. This year, the law of averages caught up with a vengence and we've had some uncommonly bad things happen.

Our defense isn't what it needs to be, but we aren't losing games by 2 TDs on a regular basis. The idea that we need 8 new starters (as someone said earlier in the thread, perhaps TIC) is ludicrous. The difference between a playoff team and a team like this year's Chiefs (who are better than their record IMO) is pretty small.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of new guys on defense... at this point it just has to be done. I'm not condoning standing pat. Anything is possible, maybe with another year somehow some of these guys would get better, and the margin between teams is very small, but at this point you have to take the risk of bringing in free agents, I just hope we bring in guys who end up doing better than Holliday and McCleon and the guys we signed last time (or guys we would've signed like Hugh Douglas). I think if you added maybe three really good players to this team the defense would be much better... it's probably more likely that we'll add a stud player or two and overhaul the rest of the roster on defense. I do think this team has playoff-caliber ability. But with money to spend and one year possibly left in the "window" it's time to go all-out. At least I think that was Carl's plan and why he set up all the contracts signed for this year around that two year window...

Deberg_1990
11-30-2004, 08:13 PM
This is what we need. I read this a few weeks ago. Its a good read:

From ESPN's The Morning After

In the mind of Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and former head coach Tony Dungy -- and that means, in the mind of Rich McKay, too, we're guessing -- you've got to have three positions which feature superior performers. The weak-side linebacker. Strong safety. And, yep, "under" tackle, an interior force who aligns in the gap, who can penetrate, who gets into the backfield and wreaks all sorts of havoc and disruption.


From our notes, and McKay's quotes of this summer: "The nose tackle-type guys, the guys who just plug the middle, you can find them. But 'under' tackles, those are hard to come by, and it's tough to play without them." Talk about a self-fulfilling prophesy. Atlanta found a superior "under' tackle this spring, when it added former Oakland Raiders standout Rod Coleman as an unrestricted free agent.


And now, nine games into the year, the Falcons know precisely what it means to play with Coleman and to play without him in the lineup. Coleman returned on Sunday, in the Falcons' victory over Tampa Bay, after missing three games with shoulder and knee injuries he sustained in the Oct. 16 one-vehicle accident. And we're thinking it wasn't just coincidence that, with Coleman on the field again, Atlanta registered a season-high seven sacks. Despite being triple-teamed at times, Coleman had two sacks, giving him six in six appearances this year.


Left end Patrick Kerney, who had seven sacks in his first four games but had gone four games without a sack (including all three contests in which Coleman was sidelined), got back in the sack column again.


Want some number-crunching? In the six games Coleman played, the Falcons have allowed an average of 276.5 yards and 13.3 points, totaled 25 sacks and registered 12 takeaways. Four times in those games, the defense held opponents to less than 300 yards, and three times the Falcons unit permitted fewer than 250 yards. Atlanta didn't permit more than 20 points in any of those contests.


In the three games Coleman missed, the defense surrendered an average of 475 yards and 34.7 points, recorded one measly sack and five takeaways. Opponents scored 20 or more points in all three of those outings and that included 84 points the past two weeks.


Not that we didn't buy into Rich McKay's sermon this summer about the significance of the "under' tackle spot. But if anyone needed graphic evidence -- and McKay, by trade, is an attorney -- it was more than sufficiently provided with Coleman as Exhibit A.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&page=/morning/week10

KevB
11-30-2004, 09:11 PM
True enough, but interestingly, the things you mention are as much (or more) the fault of the offense as they are the defense.


True, but those numbers are only part of the story. The other, and more obvious part?

The numbers 30 and 29. That's the Chiefs total defense ranking and scoring defense ranking.

2bikemike
11-30-2004, 10:47 PM
As long as those 8 are starters, I suppose you have a point.;)

Well I did mean it as starters. What would be the point of having 8 more losers.

Bearcat
12-01-2004, 10:41 AM
Just to look at it from a different perspective because I'm an asshole like that, that above statement is the truth is it not? This organization is cursed, we're what, probably 5 plays away from being 8-3 instead of 3-8. That's a fact.

I agree to an extent, but I agree with KevB, too. The reason we're always one play or score away from winning the game at the end is because we were one play or score away from losing it in the 4th quarter. That is about all the missed opportunities through the first 3 quarters... all the times we've given up a first down on 3rd & 7+, not getting that crucial turnover, giving up that crucial turnover, settling for 3, etc. It's the same problem even when we were winning last year.... not putting teams away. I was one of those people wondering why others were complaining about only beating Oakland by 7, or only beating San Diego by 3, etc... Well, this year I know. It's not about luck.... we're just not the team that's scoring last this year.

ck_IN
12-01-2004, 10:50 AM
Unfortunately of the two biggest changes needed, one has already said he'll be back. This means the other change needed will be back as well.

More crappy drafts, more crappy play, more PR spin, and more whining. As long as butts fill the seats.