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Nubian Nut
11-30-2004, 05:58 PM
BTK describes his background
Since March 2004, BTK has sent numerous communications to the media and the police. In
these letters, he has provided certain background information about himself, which he claims is
accurate.
Based upon a review of that information, the following facts about BTK are being made available
to the public in the hopes of identifying BTK:
• He claims he was born in 1939, which would make his current age 64 or 65.
• His father died in World War II, and his mother raised him.
• His mother was forced to work, so his grandparents cared for him.
• His mother worked during the day near the railroad.
• He had a cousin named Susan, who moved to Missouri.
• His family moved a lot, but always lived near a railroad.
• His grandfather played the fiddle and died of a lung disease.
• His mother started dating a railroad detective when BTK was around 11 years old. This
relationship would have occurred during the years 1950-1955.
• In the early 1950s he built and operated a ham radio.
• He has participated in outdoor hobbies including hunting, fishing and camping.
• As a youth he attended church and Sunday school.
--more--
• He had a female, Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who had a younger sister named
Tina.
• Around 1960, he went to tech military school. He then joined the military for active duty
and was discharged in 1966.
• He has a basic knowledge of photography and the ability to develop and print pictures.
• In 1966 he moved back in with his mother who had re-married and was renting out part
of her house.
• His first job was as an electro-mechanic, requiring some travel.
• After attending more tech school, he worked repairing copiers and business equipment;
this sometimes required travel and he was away from home for extended periods.
• He admits to soliciting prostitutes.
• He has a lifetime fascination with railroads and trains.
Based upon the investigation to date, police believe that BTK:
• Frequented the WSU campus in the early 1970s.
• Was acquainted with PJ Wyatt, who taught a folklore class at WSU during the 1970s.
• Has written or still writes poetry. An example of this is the “Oh Anna, Why Didn’t You
Appear” poem and the “Oh! Death to Nancy” poem that were released in earlier media
advisories.
• Utilized fake identification to gain access to people’s homes or to conduct surveillance.
Based upon the information contained in the letter, police are again asking for help from the
public. Police want to talk to any citizen who currently knows, or recalls anyone having a similar
background to the one described above.
Citizens with information who are calling locally are asked to call 383-8273; those calling from
outside the Wichita area are asked to call 1-800-SOLVBTK (1-800-765-8285). They can also
e-mail information to coldcase@wichita.gov or mail information to Cold Case, P.O. Box 9202,
Wichita, KS 67277-0202.

Raiderhader
11-30-2004, 06:06 PM
:spock: I guess I have no idea as to what this is about.

Rain Man
11-30-2004, 06:13 PM
This sounds a lot like Skip Towne to me. A lot.

redhed
11-30-2004, 06:27 PM
This is the profile of a serial killer in Salina. Or was it Wichita?
BTK- bind, torutre, kill. Nice, huh?

RedNFeisty
11-30-2004, 06:29 PM
I find it truly pathetic that they have yet to solve this case. I also don't believe alot of this to be true. It seems that he wants to be caught, but I think he is giving/leaving false information.

The police have his DNA and have asked for sample DNA from several Professors and the Wichita PD, but only the ones that were working the case back in the 70's. Still there is no match. I don't get it, people have been fascinated with this case for years and still nothing.

Another thing according to the above BTK is now in his late 60's, so you mean to tell me that a forty something man was going around killing these people with no repercussions. Not right.

Saggysack
11-30-2004, 06:32 PM
This is the profile of a serial killer in Salina. Or was it Wichita?
BTK- bind, torutre, kill. Nice, huh?

Wichita

Rain Man
11-30-2004, 06:33 PM
I don't understand, RnF. What's odd about it being a 40-something guy who was doing the murders? That doesn't seem unreasonable.

And you're married to Clint. You of all people should know that that's reasonable.

RedNFeisty
11-30-2004, 06:34 PM
I don't understand, RnF. What's odd about it being a 40-something guy who was doing the murders? That doesn't seem unreasonable.

And you're married to Clint. You of all people should know that that's reasonable.

I don't see any possible way that a man in his late forties back in 1970 being able to kill me. If such a person would try, he might succeed, but he will not be able to walk around in public for a very long time due to the damage he would suffer trying to kill me. :thumb:

Saggysack
11-30-2004, 06:35 PM
:spock: I guess I have no idea as to what this is about.


Wichita serial killer in the mid 70's to mid 80's. Stopped communicating with law enforcemt in the 70's. People thought he was dead or moved away. Last known killing was in 1986, and that was not even known till this year. Recently started talking with police after a 25yr absense.

RedNFeisty
11-30-2004, 06:37 PM
I don't see any possible way that a man in his late forties back in 1970 being able to kill me. If such a person would try, he might succeed, but he will not be able to walk around in public for a very long time due to the damage he would suffer trying to kill me. :thumb:

Remember, he broke in, hid and waited to catch a person off gaurd, but he always left a door open, once it was a garage door. He didn't have any weapons out until after he had them bound. Weapon or no weapon, he would have one hell of a battle on his hands.

big nasty kcnut
11-30-2004, 06:39 PM
I think it a younger guy cause you see his posting move it a little forward i think the guy more of a late 40 early 50 guy.

Clint in Wichita
11-30-2004, 06:41 PM
Personally, I'm sick of this jerkoff being treated like a celebrity. His letters, etc., should be kept secret. He's looking for attention, and he's getting it in droves.

**** that guy. I don't care if he's 85 years old now. If he's ever caught, he should be ass-raped and burned at the stake. Piece of shit.

Saggysack
11-30-2004, 06:43 PM
http://www.catchbtk.com/?1081774733

Link to BTK 911 call about Nancy Fox murder. Click 'play audio'.

Skip Towne
11-30-2004, 06:57 PM
I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it. :shrug:

Raiderhader
11-30-2004, 06:58 PM
Wichita serial killer in the mid 70's to mid 80's. Stopped communicating with law enforcemt in the 70's. People thought he was dead or moved away. Last known killing was in 1986, and that was not even known till this year. Recently started talking with police after a 25yr absense.


Ah, thanks.

Nubian Nut
11-30-2004, 07:03 PM
BTK Story (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/btk/index_1.html)

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2004, 09:15 PM
what a freak... i read the BTK Story... hope the psycho gets caught...

Skip Towne
11-30-2004, 11:02 PM
I don't see any possible way that a man in his late forties back in 1970 being able to kill me. If such a person would try, he might succeed, but he will not be able to walk around in public for a very long time due to the damage he would suffer trying to kill me. :thumb:
Hey, R&F, I think you are waaay overconfident in your abilities to defend yourself against murderous males that are much bigger than you are. I say this in only a friendly manner and to advise you of how wrong you are. I am almost 60 but still have a 32 inch waist and 14" biceps and still lift weights religiously. I am 5'10 and 165 lbs and could easily overpower you with you having no access to my nads. Remember BTK hides in the house and gets the drop on the victims from behind. You would have NO chance against this 60 year old under these circumstances. I just was disturbed that you discount the abilities of a guy in his forties. Hell, unless you're an Amazon you can be had by a guy in his 60's. I don't want that to happen.

Skip Towne
11-30-2004, 11:07 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention that OJ Simpson was in his 40's when he overpowered not just Nicole but her fairy boyfriend as well. And he killed both of them by himself with no witnesses.

Pants
11-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Yeah RnF surprised me by that too. She makes it sound like a 40 year old dude has the same amount of strength as an 80 year old. My dad is 43 and he could easily knock my ass out with a well placed punch or two....

The Pedestrian
11-30-2004, 11:18 PM
I find it truly pathetic that they have yet to solve this case. I also don't believe alot of this to be true. It seems that he wants to be caught, but I think he is giving/leaving false information.

The police have his DNA and have asked for sample DNA from several Professors and the Wichita PD, but only the ones that were working the case back in the 70's. Still there is no match. I don't get it, people have been fascinated with this case for years and still nothing.

Another thing according to the above BTK is now in his late 60's, so you mean to tell me that a forty something man was going around killing these people with no repercussions. Not right.

Of course it's pathetic...Kansas has had problems like this ever since it became a state. Back in the late 1800's, Kansas was losing people and money simply because they wouldn't let any businesses in. Then they went insane over Evolution vs Creationism being taught in schools for god-knows-how-long. And for the past century, there have been articles asking the exact same question: What's the Matter With Kansas?

So, yeah, the reason this is pathetic is because it's Kansas...and the answer to that question is: Kansas is what's the matter with Kansas.

Pants
11-30-2004, 11:20 PM
Of course it's pathetic...Kansas has had problems like this ever since it became a state. Back in the late 1800's, Kansas was losing people and money simply because they wouldn't let any businesses in. Then they went insane over Evolution vs Creationism being taught in schools for god-knows-how-long. And for the past century, there have been articles asking the exact same question: What's the Matter With Kansas?

So, yeah, the reason this is pathetic is because it's Kansas...and the answer to that question is: Kansas is what's the matter with Kansas.

You're a ****ing dumbass.

The Pedestrian
11-30-2004, 11:29 PM
You're a ****ing dumbass.

It's not like I'm saying it's the worst state, but there are some problems over there that have needed to be fixed for a long time...same goes for my state of Missouri. In fact, IIRC, Missouri has some problems that are way worse than what Kansas has. Am I willing to admit it? Of course, but that doesn't mean either state can look away from their problems or call citizens of other states dumbasses just for pointing out those problems.

Skip Towne
11-30-2004, 11:30 PM
Yeah RnF surprised me by that too. She makes it sound like a 40 year old dude has the same amount of strength as an 80 year old. My dad is 43 and he could easily knock my ass out with a well placed punch or two....
You are a wise dude. Most 20 year old guys cannot whip their dad who is usually 40+. I am not a tough guy by any means but even at nearly 60 there are damn few non Amazon women I can't overpower. It was just bothering me that Red&Feisty thinks she is safe because the guy is "old" in her perception. There are 60 year old guys around that can whip Clint.

Pants
11-30-2004, 11:34 PM
It's not like I'm saying it's the worst state, but there are some problems over there that have needed to be fixed for a long time...same goes for my state of Missouri. In fact, IIRC, Missouri has some problems that are way worse than what Kansas has. Am I willing to admit it? Of course, but that doesn't mean either state can look away from their problems or call citizens of other states dumbasses just for pointing out those problems.

OK, OK. But I still think you are a dumbass. You just freaking generalized 200 years of history of a whole state... that's pretty dumbassy if you ask me.

OldTownChief
11-30-2004, 11:35 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention that OJ Simpson was in his 40's when he overpowered not just Nicole but her fairy boyfriend as well. And he killed both of them by himself with no witnesses.


Hell, I'm 46 and feel stronger than I've ever felt in my life. When I hit 40 and started worrying about the age thing I started working out more.

OldTownChief
11-30-2004, 11:40 PM
Of course it's pathetic...Kansas has had problems like this ever since it became a state.

Problems like what? Murder?

Skip Towne
11-30-2004, 11:43 PM
OK, OK. But I still think you are a dumbass. You just freaking generalized 200 years of history of a whole state... that's pretty dumbassy if you ask me.
Hey, Metrolike, don't waste your time with the dumbass AKA known as Slayer. He has been a joke on this board since he got here. I'm sure he is enthralled with you since you are the only one who will talk to him. You don't have to, it is recommended that you don't.

OldTownChief
11-30-2004, 11:46 PM
Hey, Metrolike, don't waste your time with the dumbass AKA known as Slayer. He has been a joke on this board since he got here. I'm sure he is enthralled with you since you are the only one who will talk to him. You don't have to, it is recommended that you don't.

I figured just by his name that he was a douche bag.

RedNFeisty
11-30-2004, 11:50 PM
Hey, R&F, I think you are waaay overconfident in your abilities to defend yourself against murderous males that are much bigger than you are. I say this in only a friendly manner and to advise you of how wrong you are. I am almost 60 but still have a 32 inch waist and 14" biceps and still lift weights religiously. I am 5'10 and 165 lbs and could easily overpower you with you having no access to my nads. Remember BTK hides in the house and gets the drop on the victims from behind. You would have NO chance against this 60 year old under these circumstances. I just was disturbed that you discount the abilities of a guy in his forties. Hell, unless you're an Amazon you can be had by a guy in his 60's. I don't want that to happen.

I did not mean to imply that I would not be overpowered, just simply that there would be repercussion to attacking me. I am just a woman so therefore I know I can be overpowered by a man, come on, I'm not stupid. Being an Army brat my father made sure that I knew how to defend myself and my older brother made sure of that as well. Not to mention how well I can handle a gun (not that it would help in a situation like BTK). Back in the 70's women may not have been so confident and may have rolled over and let a man kill them, today I do not think that it would be so easy.

Braincase
12-01-2004, 06:00 AM
I did not mean to imply that I would not be overpowered, just simply that there would be repercussion to attacking me. I am just a woman so therefore I know I can be overpowered by a man, come on, I'm not stupid. Being an Army brat my father made sure that I knew how to defend myself and my older brother made sure of that as well. Not to mention how well I can handle a gun (not that it would help in a situation like BTK). Back in the 70's women may not have been so confident and may have rolled over and let a man kill them, today I do not think that it would be so easy.

These days it would almost be easier than it was back then. Those little stun guns are awfully wasy to conceal. And Skip is never coming to my house...

KingPriest2
12-01-2004, 08:18 AM
Hey, R&F, I think you are waaay overconfident in your abilities to defend yourself against murderous males that are much bigger than you are. I say this in only a friendly manner and to advise you of how wrong you are. I am almost 60 but still have a 32 inch waist and 14" biceps and still lift weights religiously. I am 5'10 and 165 lbs and could easily overpower you with you having no access to my nads. Remember BTK hides in the house and gets the drop on the victims from behind. You would have NO chance against this 60 year old under these circumstances. I just was disturbed that you discount the abilities of a guy in his forties. Hell, unless you're an Amazon you can be had by a guy in his 60's. I don't want that to happen.


It might be true in most cases but she could protect herself. I also know law enforcement people and I have listened to their stories so I know a person can get out of it.

For example I was talking to a client last night who even got stabbed in the chest and stopped the guy.

KingPriest2
12-01-2004, 08:19 AM
Yeah RnF surprised me by that too. She makes it sound like a 40 year old dude has the same amount of strength as an 80 year old. My dad is 43 and he could easily knock my ass out with a well placed punch or two....


Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

the Talking Can
12-01-2004, 08:20 AM
Do you know where my BLT is?

patteeu
12-01-2004, 09:05 AM
I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it. :shrug:

Did your "buddy" tell you that at the end of a long interrogation, just before he reluctantly released you? :p

Pants
12-01-2004, 09:19 AM
Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?

RedNFeisty
12-01-2004, 09:23 AM
Do you know where my BLT is?

I ate it and it was very yummy, thank you!

Saggysack
12-01-2004, 09:40 AM
Do you know where my BLT is?

I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is. :p

Dave Lane
12-01-2004, 10:03 AM
I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it. :shrug:

How did he know you did it? What tipped him off?

Dave

Nubian Nut
12-01-2004, 10:08 AM
Victim's son believes father knew BTK


By Roxana Hegeman
Associated Press Writer
WICHITA - For decades after leaving school, Charlie Otero stayed underground hiding from the BTK serial killer who strangled his parents and two younger siblings.

"I didn't want him tracking me, knowing where I am," Otero said in a telephone interview Tuesday from the Western New Mexico Correctional Facility. "No rent, no house, no bills. Nothing. No jobs. No checks."

Otero was 15 when he found his parents' bound bodies in their bedroom in 1974. Police told him later that his brother and sister were also killed.

Now 46, Otero remains convinced his father knew the killer because he had been acting strangely to protect the family in the days just before the killings. And he believes his family was targeted because of something his father did during his military service.

The strangulation of Otero's four family members are the earliest deaths claimed by the killer who calls himself BTK, which stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill." He has been linked to eight unsolved homicides that terrorized Wichita between 1974 and 1986. After years of silence, the killer surfaced again by sending letters to police and media this year.

Police said earlier this year that the Otero killings had "special significance" because they were the first in a string of killings. But police have refused to discuss the case beyond carefully scripted statements periodically released.

On Jan. 15, 1974, the three surviving children of Joseph and Julie Otero came home from school to find their parents and two other siblings, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9, dead at the family's Wichita home.

Otero is nearing the end of a four-year sentence for aggravated battery in a domestic violence case. He said he has not talked to BTK investigators since 1977 or 1978. He wants to know what is happening in the case, and whether there is any way he can help.

"I've had this bottled up inside me for 30 years," he said.

He listened intently as an AP reporter recounted the details released Tuesday by Wichita police profiling the killer in the hopes that someone could identify him. None of it pointed to anyone he knew, he said afterward.

"I've always thought my father knew him, that is about all," Otero said.

His father knew something was wrong, Otero said, citing several instances in the days before the murders that were "very suspicious." One time when the lights went out, his father made the family get into a closet until he made sure the neighborhood was also dark.

Another time, when a telephone repairman showed up at the house, Joseph Otero made his son go to a window to make sure there was a company van there before he opened the door.

Then just days before he died, Joseph Otero, who worked as an aircraft mechanic, tried to give him his ring in case something happened to him. Charlie Otero now remembers telling his father he didn't want him to talk like that, kidding his father he would probably outlive him.

"Nobody hated my family," Otero said. "I am sure it had something to do with my father's military history. My dad did things. ... He had to tell somebody what he had been up to in the last few years and he was dead days later."

Years later Otero is still convinced - based on that overheard telephone conversation his father had days before his death - that his family's slaughter had something to do with his service in the U.S. Air Force. Otero said his father was involved with the Inter-American Air Forces Academy, a program that has trained Air Force personnel from Latin America for 60 years.

But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.

He still remembers vividly the day his family was killed. His younger siblings were the first to find their parents' bodies, crying out to him that mom and dad were playing a bad joke on them.

But Otero instantly knew they were dead: "My dad was cold, hard. You could smell the death. His tongue was almost bit off, a belt was around his neck."

He thought his other siblings were in school, now he knows they never got a chance to go to school before the killer came to their house. He and his two surviving siblings would also be dead had they not left an hour earlier than usual for school, he said.

Otero said he learned further details of his family's murders after hiring a lawyer and private investigator and reading some of the FBI files on the case.

Saggysack
12-01-2004, 10:13 AM
But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.


Umm, okay...

KingPriest2
12-01-2004, 11:31 AM
And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?


Stupid assumptions as usual? Yeah ok

the Talking Can
12-01-2004, 11:55 AM
I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is. :p

in an off the wall way you're right

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 05:02 AM
Could this be BTK?

:hmmm:

Seems kinda odd that the KBI, WPD and WPD homicide detectives would stake out for suspicion of criminal trespass, failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

Long stakeout puts man, 65, in custody
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/local/10318352.htm
After the arrest, KBI agents occupy the house and remove some items.

Eagle staff


A 65-year-old man was arrested at his south Wichita home Wednesday night after a daylong surveillance by Wichita police, including members of the homicide squad.

After his arrest, Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents were at the house late Wednesday and white bags were seen being removed from the home.

Travis Redburn said several undercover police watched the house from his nearby business Wednesday morning.

Wichita homicide detectives and at least one patrol officer were also seen cruising the neighborhood throughout the day.

Police officials, including Police Chief Norman Williams and Lt. Ken Landwehr, the head of the homicide unit, would not return phone calls Wednesday night after the arrest. Redburn said police at his business said they were acting on a tip and that they found a man at the house "very interesting."

Trains along tracks 40 yards away rattled through the otherwise quiet neighborhood regularly Wednesday.

Around 7:30 p.m., a small group of uniformed and plainclothes Wichita police officers surrounded the house.

They went around the dark home, tapping on windows and doors with their flashlights. After five minutes of searching around the home, officers entered through a door in the back.

Detectives stood outside the house while the beams of flashlights could be seen from behind the curtains.

Minutes later, with no sign of a struggle, two uniformed officers and a plainclothes homicide detective emerged with a man who was handcuffed behind his back. His hair was dark with a few signs of gray. He wore a white shirt and dark pants and had a denim jacket draped over his handcuffed arms.

He was led in front of the home, down a sidewalk to a waiting police car parked around the corner. Neither police nor the suspect said anything from the time they emerged from the home to the point they got in the car.

The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes.

The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

After his arrest, the house was lit both inside and in the back yard. A man was inside the house, but did not answer the door.

Another man, wearing a suit, walked around to the front of the house with a flashlight. He identified himself as Larry Thomas of the KBI and said agents were occupying the premises for the night. Thomas is one of the agency's homicide investigators.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 06:20 AM
An arrest has been made 'sources say' in the BTK case. Suspects name Roger ?. Lives at 1421 E. Mt Vernon. A few feet away from railroad tracks. My exwife and her mother live 3 blocks from scene. My wife takes my daughter over to my daughter ex's house every morning. I pick her up around 8:30am Mon-Fri. to take her to school. Drive by the freakin house pretty much daily.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:19 AM
An arrest has been made 'sources say' in the BTK case. Suspects name Roger ?. Lives at 1421 E. Mt Vernon. A few feet away from railroad tracks. My exwife and her mother live 3 blocks from scene. My wife takes my daughter over to my daughter ex's house every morning. I pick her up around 8:30am Mon-Fri. to take her to school. Drive by the freakin house pretty much daily.

Roger Valadez, divorced, lived in house since 1976, 3 children, unknown to me if any grandchildren. But, when I drove by this morning to pick up my daughter there were kids toys in the yard, police in the driveway and news crews all around. House is about 300ft away from a elementary school. Bail has been raised from 17.5K this morning to 40K, 25K cash bond on a warrant from 1995 for suspicion of criminal trespass and violations of city housing codes.

Monty
12-02-2004, 10:24 AM
Where are you getting the updated info?

I find it amazing :rolleyes: that 2 days after they release information to the public, they get an arrest. Why couldn't they have done this years ago?

Brock
12-02-2004, 10:27 AM
Wonder if this is some of his kin.

http://docnet.dc.state.ks.us/kasper2/offender.asp?id=46652

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:28 AM
Where are you getting the updated info?

I find it amazing :rolleyes: that 2 days after they release information to the public, they get an arrest. Why couldn't they have done this years ago?

here and there

From what I heard is they recieved a tip. WPD still has no comment.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:34 AM
I think it is safe to assume that even if this guy isn't BTK. He will never live in that house again.

Monty
12-02-2004, 10:38 AM
here and there

From what I heard is they recieved a tip. WPD still has no comment.

Ok, thanks for the updates.

Rain Man
12-02-2004, 10:40 AM
It's probably also safe to assume that he'll keep his house painted and stop parking in the front yard, too.

RedNFeisty
12-02-2004, 10:43 AM
"The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes.

The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles."


WTF!?! Why do you guys think this might be BTK, if he was arrested and booked for failing to maintain his house? Who in the hell gets arrested for not maintaining their house anyway, wouldn't half of Wichita be under arrest for the above allegations?

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:44 AM
It's probably also safe to assume that he'll keep his house painted and stop parking in the front yard, too.

ROFL

True, but, fences are hard to drive thru.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:47 AM
It has been widely believed that he has suffered a life changing event(death in family, retirement, divorce, etc.) as the reason he starting communicating again this past March.

Roger Valadez lost his brother this past January....

Raymond A. Valadez

Valadez, Raymond A., 68, retired Cessna machinist, died Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004. Memorial service 10:30 a.m. Wednesday, Glenn Park Christian Church. Survivors: wife, Tillie of the home; son, Ray of Brandon, FL; daughter, Roxanne O'Connor of Wichita; brothers, Louis, Tony, Roger, Bobby; sisters, Josie Cornejo, Cecelia Avila, Carolyn Perez all of Wichita; three grandchildren. Memorial to Glenn Park Christian Church.

Monty
12-02-2004, 10:48 AM
WTF!?! Why do you guys think this might be BTK, if he was arrested and booked for failing to maintain his house? Who in the hell gets arrested for not maintaining their house anyway, wouldn't half of Wichita be under arrest for the above allegations?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it's normal procedure to book a suspect for something to just hold them until they can formalize the real charges.

And yes, half of Wichita would be in violation. ROFL

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:49 AM
"The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes.

The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles."


WTF!?! Why do you guys think this might be BTK, if he was arrested and booked for failing to maintain his house? Who in the hell gets arrested for not maintaining their house anyway, wouldn't half of Wichita be under arrest for the above allegations?

I'd say they have their man. Way too much going on for a simple trespass warrant and violation of city housing codes.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:50 AM
I'd paint my house but I like the natural color of brick better.

Iowanian
12-02-2004, 10:52 AM
Why don't they just turn Nancy Drew onto the case and give this clown the gas on public access already....

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 10:56 AM
Why don't they just turn Nancy Drew onto the case and give this clown the gas on public access already....

I'd go for that. Considering the guy killed women and children and jacked off on their dead bodies, he would deserve the public execution.

Iowanian
12-02-2004, 11:01 AM
I think they should hang a guy that does that from his sack, and let the family members of his victims have at him like a Pinata....beat him until the candy comes out.

Monty
12-02-2004, 11:01 AM
MSNBC link with Pic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6635554

RedNFeisty
12-02-2004, 11:10 AM
I think they should hang a guy that does that from his sack, and let the family members of his victims have at him like a Pinata....beat him until the candy comes out.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Rain Man
12-02-2004, 11:22 AM
Just for health reasons, though, please know that what comes out isn't really candy.

RedNFeisty
12-02-2004, 11:29 AM
Just for health reasons, though, please know that what comes out isn't really candy.

With all the other innuendo's in other threads we thought we would carry it over to this thread. :thumb:

Nubian Nut
12-02-2004, 02:02 PM
It appears police may have made a major break in the BTK serial killer case. Wichita police raided a house Wednesday night and arrested a 64-year-old man.

The house is in the 1400 block of East Mount Vernon in Wichita.

Officers arrested 64-year-old Roger Valadez and booked him on outstanding warrants for trespass and a domestic violence case from 1995.

We do know KBI agents were at the scene and witnesses saw them taking out bags of what may have been evidence.

Wichita Police will not comment on the arrest except to say this is just another lead in the BTK serial killer case.

One of the unusual aspects of the case is that Valadez is reportedly being held on a $40,000 bond. Many consider that a high amount for the misdemeanor charges against him.

The Associated Press is reporting that Valadez' DNA is being checked by officials.

He will reportedly be arraigned Thursday afternoon.

Who is BTK?

In January 1974, police found four members of the Otero family slain in the 800 block of North Edgemoor.

In April 1974, Kathryn Bright was murdered in her home in the 3200 block of East 13th Street. BTK later claimed responsibility.

Three years later, in March 1977, officials found the body of Shirley Viann at her home at 1311 South Hydraulic.

Then in December of 1977, Nancy Fox was murdered at 843 South Pershing.

Authorities also pinned the September 1986 murder of Vicki Wegerle on BTK after he sent a letter to the Wichita Eagle in March of 2004. Wegerle was murdered in her home in the 2400 block of West 13th Street.

What's the connection?

Shirley Vian was murdered by BTK in 1977. Valadez purchased his home about half a mile away from Vian's home in 1976.

In a profile released Tuesday by Wichita Police, it was noted that BTK had been in the military. Two vehicles at Valadez' home have veteran plates.

The profile also stated BTK had an interest in trains and lived close to railroad tracks.Valadez' home is just across the street from a set of railroad tracks.

Police were staking out the house Wednesday during the day. They approached the home around 7:30 p.m. and made their arrest.

Who is Roger Valadez?

Valadez was born in 1940. He has lived in the home on Mt. Vernon for 28 years.

Court records indicate Valadez was arrested in 2000 on 24 counts of fraud and obtaining unemployment benefits.Because he had no prior record, he was given a diversion.

Valadez comes from a large family with four brothers and three sisters.One of his brothers died this past January.

Neighbors say Valadez is divorced and has three grown children of his own.In fact, one daughter and a grandchild share the home with Valadez.

Neighbors react

When neighbors awoke to the news that one of their neighbors had been arrested they were shocked.

Wes and Dorothy Barrow sold Valadez his home in 1976.

"I was totally shocked.We drive by here almost every day. We have said he has let the house run down," said Dorothy. "He has his toys for little kids out here in the yard but during the summer you would not see one child around those toys."

While most neighbors were shocked by news that their neighbor may be BTK, others were not so surprised.

"It's like, when we walk by, he won't look at us and turn away.He just stares at us as we walk," said one teenage girl in the neighborhood.

Other neighbors say Valadez was quiet, kept to himself and was rarely seen by those who live near him.

BTK author reacts

Author Robert Beattie is in the process of writing a book about BTK.He urges the public to be cautious about assuming Valadez is responsible for the BTK killings.

He points out that many years ago another man was arrested for the Otero murders then let him go.

But Beattie also said he would not be surprised if there is a connection.

Earlier this week, police released personal information about BTK that was provided by the killer himself.Beattie said police will probably find more than one man who fits that profile.

Beattie also said he doesn't understand why BTK would provide police with so many clues.

"This guy's behavior is not what most people would consider, I don't think anybody would consider, rational -- either his behavior as far as committing the crimes or in communicating with the police and the press," said Beattie.

Beattie said one of the victim's families called him Thursday morning and was very tearful and uncertain about these latest developments.

Where did the tip come from?

There are many amateur investigators around Wichita who have tried to solve the BTK case. Now it appears one of them may have provided evidence that led police to the house on Mt. Vernon.

Two women in the right place at the right time may have witnessed the tip that ended the hunt for BTK.

Tia Ortiz and Tina Foults are sisters. They were at the south police substation Wednesday to file a complaint involving a personal matter when, they say, that's when a man walked in and told police he knew the exact identity of BTK and provided plenty of evidence to back up his claim.

"He had direct pictures of the front of the house, side of the house, vehicles. He pointed out to the Police Department that they were veterans and that BTK was military and the railroad tracks also," said Ortiz.

The sisters say the tipster has tried for years to convince Wichita Police the man who lives in the house is BTK.

"When he left there, he slammed his hand on the door holding the pictures. He pushed the door open and he was out of there," said Foults.

"Because the officers were laughing him off," said Ortiz.

But before he left, the man was given the number of a detective working the BTK case. If he made the call and provided valuable evidence, this mystery man may have helped break the BTK case.

Tia and Tina say they were shocked by what they saw on the news this morning.

"I'd been up all night long. I woke my sister up at 6:00 this morning and said 'Tina, the house the guy showed the police officers is on TV. They arrested somebody,' said Ortiz.

"I was like, 'no way,'" said Foults.

They may have witnessed history, but it is important to remember that police have not confirmed that information provided at the South Substation Wednesday had anything to do with the arrest on Mt. Vernon Wednesday evening.

It is also important to note that police have not made a connection between Valadez and the BTK murders.

Lzen
12-02-2004, 03:53 PM
Wow, if this Valadez turns out to be BTK, those officers that laughed off that guy are going to feel really stupid. Maybe that attitude is part of the reason he hasn't been caught.

Ghostof
12-02-2004, 04:28 PM
Wichita is a shiathole, no one cares about that town.

regardless if the best running back ever came out of wichita...thats the only shining light in that void.

wichita is crime infested, inbred capital of the world.

Skip Towne
12-02-2004, 04:41 PM
I'd go for that. Considering the guy killed women and children and jacked off on their dead bodies, he would deserve the public execution.
DNA evidence?

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 04:45 PM
Wichita is a shiathole, no one cares about that town.

regardless if the best running back ever came out of wichita...thats the only shining light in that void.

wichita is crime infested, inbred capital of the world.

Thank you!....
















Thank you very much for showing everyone how much of a dumbass you are.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 04:45 PM
DNA evidence?

Yipper Skipper.

Rain Man
12-02-2004, 04:53 PM
I drove through Wichita over Thanksgiving, and it was the first time I ever set foot in the town. (Actually, I didn't stop, so I set wheel more than set foot.) Anyway, I like to think that maybe I played some small role in capturing this guy.

RedNFeisty
12-02-2004, 04:59 PM
Just heard, it wasn't him. BTK is still out there.

Brock
12-02-2004, 05:01 PM
They turned him loose.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/10322517.htm

I'm sure none of his neighbors will hold it against him.

Pants
12-02-2004, 05:01 PM
Has Skip posted since the news came in?

EDIT: Dammit people, you had to ruin it.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 05:03 PM
Just heard, it wasn't him. BTK is still out there.

Here is the statement. PDF.

They are still not conforming or denying. Just saying they haven't made an arrest in the BTK case. From another article I read they are testing his DNA, results should be back Friday.

http://www.wichita.gov/NR/rdonlyres/A4D4A28C-B8F1-4852-A929-DDF282F5151D/16125/homicide13.pdf

RedNFeisty
12-02-2004, 05:09 PM
Here is the statement. PDF.

They are still not conforming or denying. Just saying they haven't made an arrest in the BTK case. From another article I read they are testing his DNA, results should be back Friday.

http://www.wichita.gov/NR/rdonlyres/A4D4A28C-B8F1-4852-A929-DDF282F5151D/16125/homicide13.pdf

That doesn't say anything.

I heard on the radio coming home that he was released and that the DNA came back that it was not him. I think it might have been on 98.7 or 97.8 or something, it is one of Clint's stations and I was just flipping through. Perhaps it is just the media speeding things up a bit.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 05:17 PM
That doesn't say anything.

I heard on the radio coming home that he was released and that the DNA came back that it was not him. I think it might have been on 98.7 or 97.8 or something, it is one of Clint's stations and I was just flipping through. Perhaps it is just the media speeding things up a bit.

Well if it is true, if it isn't him. I feel very sorry for him. His name, his address, pictures of his home were splashed all over the country. If I was the DA I would drop all charges, paint his house, buy him a new car, and hope to god he doesn't sue.

Hydrae
12-02-2004, 06:30 PM
Well if it is true, if it isn't him. I feel very sorry for him. His name, his address, pictures of his home were splashed all over the country. If I was the DA I would drop all charges, paint his house, buy him a new car, and hope to god he doesn't sue.


Why? The police never said he was BTK. The arrest was (presumably) for legitimate reasons. Don't see where there is a problem for the officials.

Now the media people who hyped it up as BTK on the other hand...

Skip Towne
12-02-2004, 06:45 PM
Well, by God, somebody better get sued.

Saggysack
12-02-2004, 07:09 PM
Why? The police never said he was BTK. The arrest was (presumably) for legitimate reasons. Don't see where there is a problem for the officials.

Now the media people who hyped it up as BTK on the other hand...

Nope they never did say that he was BTK. But the direction their investigation headed directly pointed to BTK. Someone had to make the leaks on this guy, my best guess would probaly be someone in the WPD.

You have to ask, why would they have sent the KBI, the BTK homicide detectives and CSI on a warrant for suspicion of criminal trespass all the way back from 1995? Take into account he was in the criminal court system in 2000. Why not arrest him and take care of the 1995 warrant then?

There is some liability on the WPD side IMO as well.

Skip Towne
12-02-2004, 09:37 PM
Well, I called my buddy who was the former Chief of Police in Wichita. (I've known him since 1965). I asked about them knowing who it was years ago and he said they thought they did but it fell through. He also said they have had several suspects since then and they have all fallen through. I asked if 30 year old semen was still good for DNA purposes and he said yes. He also said they found enough semen at the original murder scene for 10 men to have left. This guy is really sick. Oh, yeah, he said I have been eliminated as a suspect. :p

theultimatekcchiefsfan
12-02-2004, 10:49 PM
I saw early this morning that one of the reporters were at the police station and saw some official looking form with "Valdez = BTK" written on it and this is when the speculation clearly started.

Skip Towne
12-02-2004, 10:58 PM
I saw early this morning that one of the reporters were at the police station and saw some official looking form with "Valdez = BTK" written on it and this is when the speculation clearly started.
Of course cops are stupid and make a lot of mistakes but this guys name isn't Valdez. It's Valadez.

theultimatekcchiefsfan
12-02-2004, 11:12 PM
BTK chat room lots of stuff in here. They are claiming That Mr V may be married into BTK family and is related.

They are laso claiming that Valadez spoke about conversations with that Wichita State Proffessor. Pretty interesting in here.

http://www.catchbtk.com/discuss.html

Saggysack
12-03-2004, 02:18 AM
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/10327674.htm
Posted on Fri, Dec. 03, 2004
Police: Arrest not tied to BTK

Although a man's arrest was precipitated by a tip about BTK and pursued by BTK investigators, officials say it isn't related to the BTK case.

BY STAN FINGER AND TIM POTTER

The Wichita Eagle


Responding to intense local and national media attention, Wichita Police Chief Norman Williams said Thursday that the arrest of a 65-year-old man Wednesday night was not connected to the serial killer BTK.

News of the arrest, published in Thursday's Eagle -- and the speculation that followed -- attracted a steady stream of gawkers to the street next to the man's house.

"It is a travesty when you look at the impact, and you look at what has happened to a neighborhood because of the fact that people assume that the Wichita Police Department was making an arrest in regards to BTK," Williams said at a crowded news conference.

"We have not, and I repeat, we have not made an arrest in connection with BTK."

The killer, who dubbed himself BTK -- short for "bind, torture and kill" -- resurfaced in March after nearly 25 years of silence when he sent a letter to The Eagle. Police say he has killed at least eight Wichitans since 1974.

A tip to the BTK hotline led authorities to the man who lived in south Wichita, Williams told The Eagle on Thursday morning, and in the course of investigating his background they discovered outstanding warrants. When that happens, he said, authorities have no choice but to arrest the person.

The man, whom The Eagle has not identified, appeared in Wichita Municipal Court at 3 p.m. Thursday to face charges from two misdemeanor cases. One charged him with failing to appear for sentencing in a case in which he had pleaded no contest to eight housing code violations.

In the other, he was charged with trespassing in a 1995 domestic violence case. Municipal Judge Jennifer Jones reduced the man's bond from $17,500 to $6,125 and ordered him to return to court in January. The man was released from jail shortly before 5 p.m.

The man had been arrested after daylong surveillance by Wichita police, including members of the homicide squad. Police gave a sample of the man's DNA -- driven to Topeka on Wednesday night -- to the Kansas Bureay of Investigation for testing, KBI spokesman Kyle Smith said.

A KBI forensic scientist was brought in around 1 a.m. Thursday, Smith said.

"It was given a little bit higher priority than normal," he said.

There was a need to complete the test as soon as possible, Smith said, out of fairness to the man arrested because it was important to see whether he has a connection to the BTK case and because of all the media attention.

"It's a great way to eliminate suspects," he said of the testing.

Results of the DNA test had not been released Thursday night.

Wichita legal experts say that to obtain a search warrant, police would have to demonstrate to a judge that they had knowledge beyond mere suspicion that evidence of a crime probably would be found during the search.

About two dozen police officials and KBI agents entered the house around 3 p.m. on Thursday, putting on rubber gloves as they walked through the side door.

A crime scene investigation van pulled up to the house about 20 minutes later. The investigator used a drill to remove a padlocked latch on the front door.

Police detectives gathered boxes, tools and paint cans that they put back in the house.

People driving by took pictures, made phone calls and honked as others stood across the street, staring. Police officers stood in the intersection to control traffic at times.

Speculation about BTK's identity intensified earlier this week when Wichita police released several details they say BTK has claimed about his background.

Among them: that he was born in 1939 and that his father died in World War II; that his mother worked during the day near a railroad; and that he has a fascination with railroads and trains.

Police said he also claims to have served in the military -- a tidbit that made Richard Wagner drive down Thursday from Junction City when he heard an arrest had been made.

"I came down to see the house and view the scene," said Wagner, who spent 22 years in the military before retiring in January.

He hoped BTK wasn't really a veteran. "It's not a good representation for the military."

The man's neighbors said onlookers and media attention, as well as their own concerns, made Thursday an unusual day.

One woman who lives across the street said the news that no arrest was made in the BTK case made her feel better.

"I was shaking all day, but now I'm feeling calmed down," she said.

Another neighbor said she doesn't worry about BTK often, but the news that an arrest wasn't made disappointed her.

"I just wish they'd get it over with," she said. "But I know it's a hard case to solve."

Across the street, another neighbor spent the day watching television and listening to a police scanner attached to his belt. It seems like the day was full of speculation, he said.

All the commotion made him wonder what police will do if another similar suspect surfaces.

"If they do catch this guy, how are they going to handle that?" he asked.

Saggysack
12-03-2004, 03:04 AM
I will admit, Wichita is a kooky city. We do things here that alot of times just don't make any sense. For instance, the WPD sometimes make the Keystone cops look outstanding.

My questions are...

1. Why were BTK investigators called in on a 1995 DV warrant? Was it just because it was a BTK tip? which leads me to my next question...

2. What do they mean by, "found out in the course of investigation he was unrelated?" Did they know this before going in his house or after?

3. If they knew after, aren't they kinda pushing the blame off on the media, who really, was acting on the WPD investigation of BTK? Hell, if the WPD didn't know till after they went in his house, how can they blame the media for reporting it, they, themselves didn't even know. And if the WPD knew before going in that he was unrelated, Why do a DNA test?

4. Which brings me to this point. Why wasn't this man just DNA tested like the hundreds that have already been without the break down the door type actions, like in this case? Or, Why wasn't this man just picked up on the DV warrant, brought down to lockup. Then questioned by BTK investigators and DNA tested?

If the WPD didn't want to make it a show, they would have made sure to quietly bring this guy in. Instead they bust in the door, bring the BTK investigators in, search and CSI removes several bags from the house. Someone from the WPD had to leak to the media. It happens all the time. The Wichita Eagle knew before the submital of articles deadline(I guess you would call it) for the day which, probaly is around 10 or 11pm. Why did this guy deserve so much attention from the WPD? What tip about him made him stand out from the several other thousand tips to deserve the attention that nobody else has endured?

I think the WPD knows they fouled up. They thought they had him. They leaked it to the media because they knew the media would jump all over it. They made THE big break in the case! City, says Yippee, rejoice thy citizens, we are KING! WPD given BIG pat on back, city loves WPD again.

Instead they 'found out during the course of investigation' it seems that they may have fell on their own ass, again.

Saggysack
12-03-2004, 03:16 AM
Wichita Eagle out with it's damage control...



http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/10327679.htm
Why Eagle editors chose to play story as they did


I thought you might be interested in the decisions we faced in the early hours of the story that has riveted our city the past 24 hours.

Would you make the same decisions under the same circumstances?

The story began for us long before it began for other media or for the public.

About 9:30 Wednesday morning, Eagle reporter Tim Potter got a phone call with an urgent news tip: About 20 undercover police officers were about to kick in a door on a south Wichita home. That was quickly followed by another tip that police were using a nearby business to conduct surveillance of a house.

If the tips were true, that kind of manpower had to mean something newsworthy was happening.

Tim and other staffers were out the door, headed to the area the caller described. It took more than an hour, but eventually Tim found the scene that became so familiar on television Thursday. At this point, though, it was just police and us watching the house.

Our first rule in such circumstances is to never interfere with the police. Our staffers stayed one or two blocks away.

Meanwhile, reporters in the newsroom began a search of public databases to see whether we could understand why the police might be interested in the house and its occupants.

Throughout the day, we kept two staffers in the area in cars. Police on the scene knew we were there. Twice they approached staffers and asked what they were doing there. At no time did those officers ask our staffers to leave, and no police department officials called the newspaper to object to our presence.

About 7:30 that night, reporter Hurst Laviana called the newsroom to report that police had entered the home and removed a man in handcuffs. Eagle staffer Travis Heying photographed the arrest.

Within about an hour, we knew the man had been booked into the county jail on outstanding warrants alleging criminal trespass and housing code violations.

A short time later, we learned that Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents were inside the man's house, intending to stay through the night.

We knew The Eagle alone among media had a lot of information. We knew the name of the man, his age, his family background, how long he had owned the house, and more.

We knew the unusual number of officers -- though apparently fewer than the 20 we were told -- meant this was not a routine case.

And we knew that a few things about the man matched the BTK self-profile police had released the day before.

We had several highly experienced editors on hand through the day and night to steer coverage: Timothy Rogers, assistant managing editor for local news; L. Kelly, leader of the Crime & Safety Team; Marcia Werts, senior editor; and me. Collectively, more than 80 years of newspaper experience.

As deadline drew closer, we had to ask ourselves some very tough questions:

Did we really have a story? What was it? From 8 till 11:30 p.m., newsroom editors met several times to discuss what we knew and what we should publish.

If anything at all.

We knew that the daylong surveillance operation -- which included homicide detectives -- and the KBI presence were highly unusual for the minor crimes alleged and would normally not trigger the search of a home.

In such circumstances, most journalists have official sources and other sources who typically won't be quoted in the paper but will tell us whether we're on the right track with our reporting.

Nothing we learned from those sources late Wednesday convinced us with certainty that a major arrest had been made. Yet, the circumstances were so unusual, we were convinced that what we had witnessed was newsworthy. And we knew that our news competitors at the three local television stations would probably hear about the story soon, if they hadn't already.

Eventually, we decided that we could not ignore what our staff had witnessed firsthand. Major law enforcement resources were committed to an operation we watched, and, simply put, that's news. We should report what we saw.

Consulting with our lawyer, Lyndon Vix, we determined that legally we could publish the name of the person arrested and his address. Many news organizations would do so.

But what if the trespass and housing code violations were the sum of the police operation? Was it fair to publicly identify the man arrested?

For us in the newsroom and publisher Lou Heldman at home, the answer was no. We made that decision knowing that competing news organizations might decide otherwise and report information we had but did not offer. There's an inescapable finality to news reporting: Once you print it, broadcast it or put it on the Internet, you can't take it back.

If the news story grew bigger, we could publish the information later. But if it turned out to be no more than what we already knew, a person's life would be changed forever. There would be no going back. The opinion in the newsroom was clear: We would not name the person or say where he lived. We would identify the area only as "south Wichita."

Should we run Heying's photograph? It showed three officers escorting a man with hands cuffed behind him. It captured the news of the arrest, but did not show the man's face or profile. After discussion with senior editors, I believed I would not have been able to identify that person from the photo even if he had been one of our employees. We would run the photo.

Finally, we had to determine "story play" -- which page, and where on the page, should the story be published?

We had a front-page story on the BTK investigation. Should this story run near that one?

We did not believe our reporting connected this arrest to that case and did not want to tie the stories together.

On Thursday's front page, the update on the BTK investigation ran at the top of Page 1. The coverage of Wednesday's stakeout and arrest was at the bottom of the Local & State page in Section B, with no link made between the two except those that readers made for themselves.

The story was posted on our Web site, Kansas.com, by 1:30 a.m. and was not linked to BTK coverage there.

These are just the most critical of the news decisions that shaped this coverage. Every fact you read in that story was weighed by two to five editors before a decision was made to publish it.

On Thursday, Police Chief Norman Williams took the media to task for what he characterized as irresponsible reporting that damaged one of the community's neighborhoods. In today's information-overloaded society, "media" is an awfully broad brush to paint with.

Every newsroom has to make its own decisions based on its particular values and priorities. In ours, those 15 hours of decisions added up to fair treatment for a person thrust into the news, measured coverage that did not overstate, and appropriate placement of the story among the day's news events.

I'd be very interested to know what decisions you would have made under the same circumstances. Please e-mail me or write a letter to me at the paper. And thanks for reading The Eagle.

--Sherry Chisenhall is editor of The Eagle. She is responsible for all news content of paper and will be writing occasionally about the processes and people of The Eagle.

Saggysack
12-03-2004, 03:20 AM
About 9:30 Wednesday morning, Eagle reporter Tim Potter got a phone call with an urgent news tip: About 20 undercover police officers were about to kick in a door on a south Wichita home. That was quickly followed by another tip that police were using a nearby business to conduct surveillance of a house.

We will never find out, but it sure would interesting to know who phoned in those tips. I'm betting somebody from the WPD.