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nmt1
12-01-2004, 05:35 AM
Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting.

GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends
Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz

Itís only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads!

This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective.

Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium.

For instance:

ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season.

REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldnít be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasnít eating nachos, so apparently thatís what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season.

ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other.

REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season.

The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because thatís what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving.

Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesnít, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke.

ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004.

REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1.

Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With whatís left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, theyíve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning.

ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former teamís hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didnít want to pay him big money.

REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didnít want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him.

Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwardsí play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards.

Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns.

Source (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/12/01/gretz_urban_chiefs_legends/)

Braincase
12-01-2004, 05:49 AM
As the Planet Turns...

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 05:55 AM
Why are you F'ing with the fantasy, man, we know about reality...

MichaelH
12-01-2004, 06:09 AM
ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former teamís hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didnít want to pay him big money.

REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didnít want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him.

Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwardsí play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards.

Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns.

Source (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/12/01/gretz_urban_chiefs_legends/)

Reason #675 why Greg Robinson is a complete idiot and shows that Vermeil is too loyal to his coaches.

Otter
12-01-2004, 06:14 AM
ITEM: Chiefs personal have been overall absolutly horrible in evaluating talent though both the draft and free agency since Carl Peterson took over. Why can we expect this to be any different this upcoming off-season?

Until that is answered they're kinda pissing in the wind no matter what rationals are thrown at the teams problems.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 06:23 AM
Did Dufus Rawes retire?

the Talking Can
12-01-2004, 06:29 AM
URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #5:

The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

REALITY:

The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 06:30 AM
It's obvious some have missed the point of the piece...

The point is:

Reality is bad enough, it's not necessary to make sh*t up on top of that.

the Talking Can
12-01-2004, 06:35 AM
It's obvious some have missed the point of the piece...

The point is:

Reality is bad enough, it's not necessary to make sh*t up on top of that.

Oh, I thought his point was that CP's semen is fun to swallow.

jspchief
12-01-2004, 06:36 AM
Wow, methinks Gretz has been stalking the Planet. It's like he just went down the front page after the loss on Sunday, and addressed all the hot topics.


Here's the bit that burns me:The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, theyíve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.
I don't give a yank about the "cash" they've spent. Every other team spends "cash" also, and still maximizes cap space to field the best team possible. The reason we weren't complaining when we were 10-1 last year is because we actually thought the team was good (psych!) and thus didn't see a need for action before the trade deadline. I also didn't complain last week when I got a good burger from McDonalds, but you can bet your ass I'll bitch today if they give me a lousy one. What have you done for me lately?

I really grow tired of the Chiefs organization doling out these types of excuses. When it's the same thing that the rest of the league has to deal with, I have no sympathy for the Chiefs having to deal with it. It reminds me of Vermeil bitching about roster limits, as if every other team doesn't have the same limits. Is it a FO mantra to bitch about things that are beyond their control, while the rest of the league has managed to accept and deal with it?

MichaelH
12-01-2004, 06:38 AM
Wow, methinks Gretz has been stalking the Planet. It's like he just went down the front page after the loss on Sunday, and addressed all the hot topics.


I thought the same thing when DV addressed the topic of Priest sitting up in the press box.
They should read daily, they might learn something. :)

Radar Chief
12-01-2004, 06:55 AM
When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, theyíve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning.


Thatís funny, I kinda thought thatís what we were doing. :shrug:

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:07 AM
Oh, I thought his point was that CP's semen is fun to swallow.


ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, my day could have done without THAT visual. Thank you. Ugh.

the Talking Can
12-01-2004, 07:11 AM
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, my day could have done without THAT visual. Thank you. Ugh.

sorry, just replace "CP" with "Rich Gannon"......happy now?

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:15 AM
sorry, just replace "CP" with "Rich Gannon"......happy now?

Well, the person is an improvement...for sure. :thumb:

Pants
12-01-2004, 07:16 AM
Well, the person is an improvement...for sure. :thumb:

Keep dreaming, Gannon = fag.

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 07:22 AM
Oh, I thought his point was that CP's semen is fun to swallow.

What you do in the privacy of your home is your business...

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:23 AM
Gannon = fag.

I'm sure you have personal experience to back that assertion up! :thumb:

Pants
12-01-2004, 07:25 AM
I'm sure you have personal experience to back that assertion up! :thumb:

Funny, I insult some dude and you insult me. You ARE obsessed with that fag... sucks for you.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:30 AM
Funny, I insult some dude and you insult me. You ARE obsessed with that fag... sucks for you.

No, I'm just pointing out that if he is he's closeted and it would take someone personal experience to know...

so in outing him you've outed yourself. Good job!!! :thumb:

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 07:32 AM
Wow, methinks Gretz has been stalking the Planet. It's like he just went down the front page after the loss on Sunday, and addressed all the hot topics.


Here's the bit that burns me:
I don't give a yank about the "cash" they've spent. Every other team spends "cash" also, and still maximizes cap space to field the best team possible. The reason we weren't complaining when we were 10-1 last year is because we actually thought the team was good (psych!) and thus didn't see a need for action before the trade deadline. I also didn't complain last week when I got a good burger from McDonalds, but you can bet your ass I'll bitch today if they give me a lousy one. What have you done for me lately?

I really grow tired of the Chiefs organization doling out these types of excuses. When it's the same thing that the rest of the league has to deal with, I have no sympathy for the Chiefs having to deal with it. It reminds me of Vermeil bitching about roster limits, as if every other team doesn't have the same limits. Is it a FO mantra to bitch about things that are beyond their control, while the rest of the league has managed to accept and deal with it?

Damn; I witnessed your assailing the organization....just wanted you to know I finally did.

I see, you just believe in the "full frontal assault;" I'm more of an "ambush of sarcasm" kinda guy.... :)

Pants
12-01-2004, 07:33 AM
No, I'm just pointing out that if he is he's closeted and it would take someone personal experience to know...

so in outing him you've outed yourself. Good job!!! :thumb:

Didn't realize I outed anybody, w/e you say. You have as much credibility here as JBret. No offense, Jbret.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:35 AM
Didn't realize I outed anybody, w/e you say. You have as much credibility here as JBret. No offense, Jbret.

Just be careful with personal information like what you offered...some here like to use it to flog. Thus, announcing (albeit unintentionally) you are a fag could have some bad repercussions.

Good luck. :thumb:

Pants
12-01-2004, 07:37 AM
Just be careful with personal information like what you offered...some here like to use it to flog. Thus, announcing (albeit unintentionally) you are a fag could have some bad repercussions.

Good luck. :thumb:

LMAO, now I see why people dislike you here so much. I don't give a shit what your dumb ass thinks, as long as you don't put words in my mouth. Find me a quote where I announced I was gay or stfu.

Uncle_Ted
12-01-2004, 07:37 AM
I don't miss Donnie Edwards. I'm surprised that GRob didn't want him ... I figured Edwards' tackling style (i.e. grab hold and get dragged 7 yds by the running back) would fit Robinson's read and react defensive schemes pretty well. :)

Re: Priest, I think it is a little odd that he doesn't roam the sidelines like a lot of injured players do. Then again, he busts his butt so much that I can't begrudge the guy relaxing a bit when he's injured.

BTW, I talked to Priest a little at the Ameristar Casino on Saturday night. Nice guy. Sharp dresser. Didn't seem to be limping at all (then again, I didn't limp when I had a broken fibula in college, so looks can be deceiving). Fans of Chappelle Show will appreciate the fact that when I saw Priest at the craps table, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Wow man, Priest Holmes has a big f***ing head!"

ChiefsCountry
12-01-2004, 07:37 AM
Hmm, since Robinson is gone, he is the reason why we didnt resign Donnie Edwards. Looks like they are blaming it on the guy who isn't here.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:39 AM
LMAO, now I see why people dislike you here so much. I don't give a shit what your dumb ass thinks, as long as you don't put words in my mouth. Find me a quote where I announced I was gay or stfu.


Oh, so you don't LIKE people assuming YOU are gay...but it's ok for you to level the claim of 'fag' about someone else. Nice!!! :clap: ROFL :thumb:

OK, so you might not be the "g" word, just the "h" one. ;)

Pants
12-01-2004, 07:44 AM
Oh, so you don't LIKE people assuming YOU are gay...but it's ok for you to level the claim of 'fag' about someone else. Nice!!! :clap: ROFL :thumb:

OK, so you might not be the "g" word, just the "h" one. ;)

Like I said, it's OK with me if YOU assume I'm gay, I don't give a shit... you are a nobody. What I had a problem with, was your dumb ass putting words in my mouth. See the difference or are you too retarted?

Like I said, Gannon = fag.

Skip Towne
12-01-2004, 07:47 AM
I don't miss Donnie Edwards. I'm surprised that GRob didn't want him ... I figured Edwards' tackling style (i.e. grab hold and get dragged 7 yds by the running back) would fit Robinson's read and react defensive schemes pretty well. :)

Re: Priest, I think it is a little odd that he doesn't roam the sidelines like a lot of injured players do. Then again, he busts his butt so much that I can't begrudge the guy relaxing a bit when he's injured.

BTW, I talked to Priest a little at the Ameristar Casino on Saturday night. Nice guy. Sharp dresser. Didn't seem to be limping at all (then again, I didn't limp when I had a broken fibula in college, so looks can be deceiving). Fans of Chappelle Show will appreciate the fact that when I saw Priest at the craps table, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Wow man, Priest Holmes has a big f***ing head!"
Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 07:48 AM
Like I said, it's OK with me if YOU assume I'm gay, I don't give a shit... you are a nobody. What I had a problem with, was your dumb ass putting words in my mouth. See the difference or are you too retarted?

Like I said, Gannon = fag.

So, your problem is you don't like someone putting words in your mouth but have no problem asserting a married family man is putting other mens unit in his mouth or elsewhere.

Nice. :thumb:

Oh, I see the difference. You are not gay just a hypocrite.

Chiefnj
12-01-2004, 07:51 AM
This is one of the better Gretz articles to come out in a long time.

He confirmed Priest is a bit of a recluse and a leader by example on the field. He's not a vocal guy who is going to stand around on the sideline and wave a towel. It's just not in his nature.

As for Edwards, I think Gretz is selling a lot of bull. GR may not have wanted Edwards, but the parties were negotiating and Edwards thought he wasn't being offered the money he thought he was worth. He was insulted and took off. He turned down a substantial sized deal, it just wasn't big enough. If he didn't fit the "system" why offer him a multi-million dollar deal anyway?

Gretz should forward the cap info to Clayton. I thought the cap info was helpful in understanding how the figure changes during the course of the season. The Chiefs very well may have a lot less money than the fans realize and is reported by guys like Clayton.

jAZ
12-01-2004, 07:59 AM
... the Fox network, is a joke.
Rep.

HAWKHUNTER
12-01-2004, 07:59 AM
Did Dufus Rawes retire?

newsflash: your hero bill clinton only received 40% of the vote in his first election, now there's a mandate - right?

Pants
12-01-2004, 08:00 AM
So, your problem is you don't like someone putting words in your mouth but have no problem asserting a married family man is putting other mens unit in his mouth or elsewhere.

Nice. :thumb:

Oh, I see the difference. You are not gay just a hypocrite.

Durrr...durr...durr.

Does Gannon give a shit what I think of him? No. Would he be pissed at me if I went to press and told them he said he was gay and they printed it? Probably. You are retarded, sorry to have doubted you.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 08:02 AM
newsflash: your hero bill clinton only received 40% of the vote in his first election, now there's a mandate - right?


Nope.

And this is the wrong forum. I'll discuss this with you if you want to 'take it outside'....to DC. ;)

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 08:04 AM
Durrr...durr...durr.

Does Gannon give a shit what I think of him? No. Would he be pissed at me if I went to press and told them he said he was gay and they printed it? Probably. You are retarded, sorry to have doubted you.

Dude, if the worst insults you can come up with are that someone is gay or retarded then that ain't sayin much about what you got goin on upstairs.

Have a great day! :)

Dartgod
12-01-2004, 08:09 AM
Dude, if the worst insult you can come up with are that someone is gay or retarded then that ain't sayin much about what you got goin on upstairs.

Have a great day! :)
Wow, it's not often that you see Duh-nese owning someone. :thumb:

BTW, dude. If your going to throw around "intelligence smack", you might want to learn how to spell "retarted".

Pants
12-01-2004, 08:13 AM
Wow, it's not often that you see Duh-nese owning someone. :thumb:

BTW, dude. If your going to throw around "intelligence smack", you might want to learn how to spell "retarted".

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's "retarded" as opposed to "retarted", coming from the word "retard" and all.

Oh and that was a nice comeback, memyselfI. I wasn't trying to insult you by calling you a retard, I was just reflecting upon your intelligence level. Have a nice day.

Dartgod
12-01-2004, 08:21 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's "retarded" as opposed to "retarted", coming from the word "retard" and all.
Derrrrrr.....
Like I said, it's OK with me if YOU assume I'm gay, I don't give a shit... you are a nobody. What I had a problem with, was your dumb ass putting words in my mouth. See the difference or are you too retarted?

Like I said, Gannon = fag.

Pants
12-01-2004, 08:23 AM
Derrrrrr.....

Hmm, maybe of you read all my posts, you'd see that I spelled the word correctly. Thank you for pointing out the typo. I thought you were implying that the word is supposed to be spelled as a T. My mistake and I apologize.

Count Zarth
12-01-2004, 08:29 AM
I would really, REALLY love to know why GROB thought Edwards wasn't good for his system.

Barber is essentially a poor-man's Donnie Edwards.

Cochise
12-01-2004, 08:30 AM
I see that metro found out where that horrible smell in here was coming from.

Pants
12-01-2004, 08:32 AM
I see that metro found out where that horrible smell in here was coming from.

That I did...

I still don't see, though, how I got "owned" by her, as according to Dartgod, but to each his own, I guess.

Brock
12-01-2004, 08:50 AM
The defensive coordinator did not want him,

What an idiotic bit of scapegoating.

Skip Towne
12-01-2004, 09:06 AM
Wow, it's not often that you see Duh-nese owning someone. :thumb:

BTW, dude. If your going to throw around "intelligence smack", you might want to learn how to spell "retarted".
Hey, Titus, you wanna add "retarted" to the lexicon?

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:11 AM
Hey, Titus, you wanna add "retarted" to the lexicon?

Yeah, I'll second that....

Now we can type "teh ghey asshat genious is retarted."

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 09:12 AM
Yeah, I'll second that....

Now we can type "teh asshat genious is retarted."

correction:

"teh asshat genious is retarted and a moran."

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 09:12 AM
I thought 'retart' was a chiefsplanet spelling like genious and looser, but we can add it to The Lexicon--I need a definition.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:14 AM
correction:

"teh asshat genious is retarted and a moran."

Correction:

"teh asshat ghey genious is a retarted moran and looser."

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 09:17 AM
Correction:

"teh asshat ghey genious is a retarted moran and looser."

ROFL ROFL ROFL

that is blatter emptying funny!!!














(CP spelling of bladder)

Pants
12-01-2004, 09:18 AM
Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.

nmt1
12-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.

"Retart" has occured here before.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

Thanks, bro. I appreciate that.

Dartgod
12-01-2004, 09:23 AM
Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.
True. But you're not the only one to do it.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:31 AM
Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann.

Which is why it is no longer $6 Million under the cap, but $4.7. I don't know where he heard $8 and $10 Mill because it wasn't at ChiefsPlanet.

Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004.

What a terrible shame. How can any player possibly reach any incentive on one of the league's worst teams? IMO, a player should be docked 10% for every game under .500 the team falls.

With whatís left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

Wait a minute. Gretz is pulling the wool over our eyes here. I know the cap is confusing and all, but everything I've ever heard and read (and I've done a LOT of independent research on the salary cap) indicates that the cap is use it or lose it. There is a benefit to using incentives, but Gretz is implying that the Chiefs can carry over the entire $4,700,000 in the form of credits which simply isn't true.

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, theyíve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Spin, spin, spin, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
The Chiefs are actually $4,700,000 under the cap, but they're actually over it, too. Come on - this bullshit might fool some people, and it might get you a 4 year stay in the white house, but seriously.....

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 09:32 AM
Which is why it is no longer $6 Million under the cap, but $4.7. I don't know where he heard $8 and $10 Mill because it wasn't at ChiefsPlanet.

Turn the search feature on for 10 minutes...

HC_Chief
12-01-2004, 09:35 AM
With whatís left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

:spock:
WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:36 AM
Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

What about those of us with two big heads? :p

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 09:37 AM
:spock:
WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

It's the incentive clause in the CBA that someone posted about how Philly uses it but KC didnt.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:42 AM
Turn the search feature on for 10 minutes...

Oh, well I'll defer to you on that. I haven't read 8 or 10 here. Certainly not from any credible poster. If I had, I'd have offered a correction.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:44 AM
:spock:
WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

I think he's talking about incentives that are not likely to be earned. If Priest Holmes has a 30 TD incentive in his contract for a $1,000,000 bonus and he scores 30 TD's. He's paid $1,000,000 which hits this year's cap. But half of it is credited towards next year's cap. I believe this is what Gretz is talking about.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:46 AM
Oh, well I'll defer to you on that. I haven't read 8 or 10 here. Certainly not from any credible poster. If I had, I'd have offered a correction.

I remember ENDelt quoting the $10 million figure....

Oh, nevermind; you've covered yourself on that one. :hmmm:

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:48 AM
I remember ENDelt quoting the $10 million figure....

Oh, nevermind; you've covered yourself on that one. :hmmm:

Am I supposed to believe ENDelt posted on a thread not about beer, weed, or fat women?

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 09:51 AM
ROFL ROFL ROFL

that is blatter emptying funny!!!














(CP spelling of bladder)
squirting a little when you laugh? - understandable, maybe even a little endearing.
emptying your blatter? - time for the short bus and hockey helmet.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 09:53 AM
squirting a little when you laugh? - understandable, maybe even a little endearing.
emptying your blatter? - time for the short bus and hockey helmet.

LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem. ;) I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:53 AM
Am I supposed to believe ENDelt posted on a thread not about beer, weed, or fat women?

Like I said; nevermind. ROFL

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 09:55 AM
LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem. ;) I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.
Maybe you can get Adam Sandler to sprinkle some drinking fountain water on the front of pants and proclaim that it's 'the coolest!!!'

If pissing your pants is cool, then I'm Miles Davis.

ROFL ROFL

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:56 AM
LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem. ;) I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

Holy ch*t, TMI. :doh!:

Phobia
12-01-2004, 09:57 AM
LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem. ;) I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

philfree
12-01-2004, 09:58 AM
I think he's talking about incentives that are not likely to be earned. If Priest Holmes has a 30 TD incentive in his contract for a $1,000,000 bonus and he scores 30 TD's. He's paid $1,000,000 which hits this year's cap. But half of it is credited towards next year's cap. I believe this is what Gretz is talking about.


The kicker I believe is that the incentives count against this years cap until they are not achieved. At they point we get the amount of the unachieved incentive added to next years amount of caps space increasing the amount of cap space we have. I guess you can re-do a contract mid season to make this work out?


PhilFree :arrow:

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 09:59 AM
I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

NICE. :thumb:

Exactly what I was alluding to.... ROFL

Phobia
12-01-2004, 10:01 AM
The kicker I believe is that the incentives count against this years cap until they are not achieved. At they point we get the amount of the unachieved incentive added to next years amount of caps space increasing the amount of cap space we have. I guess you can re-do a contract mid season to make this work out?


PhilFree :arrow:

I'm not certain how the incentives count pertaining to which year they hit the cap. I guess that means more research is necessary.

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 10:03 AM
I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

LOL, not that surgery, moran. Surgery to fix damage done from 2 large babies born (naturally) to a small boned woman.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 10:05 AM
to a small boned woman.

Hel'n claimed to have been small boned as well....

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 10:05 AM
Gretz is full of shit. How can as of earlier this week we are $4.7 under the cap, but then some of that $4.7 million is be being spent on Weigmann, when we re-signed him in September? This is just another act of desperation to keep the fans snowed again. The Chiefs PR machine is full of shit and are using excuses to justify their shitty off-season plan. Excuses are for losers.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2004, 10:06 AM
LOL, not that surgery, moran. Surgery to fix damage done from 2 large babies born (naturally) to a small boned woman.

Correction:

2 small babies born to a "large bonehead" woman

Calcountry
12-01-2004, 10:43 AM
It's obvious some have missed the point of the piece...

The point is:

Reality is bad enough, it's not necessary to make sh*t up on top of that.
ROFL

memyselfI
12-01-2004, 10:48 AM
Correction:

2 small babies born to a "large bonehead" woman

Hey, I MIGHT resemble that remark!!! :p

TEX
12-01-2004, 11:39 AM
The whole Edwards thing still pisses me off! :cuss:

And to still have $4.7 MILLION left is a joke when you consider the direction this team took last off season... :shake:

Rausch
12-01-2004, 01:11 PM
The whole Edwards thing still pisses me off! :cuss:

And to still have $4.7 MILLION left is a joke when you consider the direction this team took last off season... :shake:

And the article makes a good point, which no one wants to listen to. Incentives may or may not still be earned. I'm sure there is more than one player with a contract that gives incentives for making the probowl, yardage totals, etc.

They haven't done those things yet so that hasn't hit the cap yet. So, that's not "unused money" that's just keeping enough in the bank so you don't bounce a check. They need to fit under the cap and they have cap costs that haven't been totaled yet.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 01:16 PM
And the article makes a good point, which no one wants to listen to. Incentives may or may not still be earned. I'm sure there is more than one player with a contract that gives incentives for making the probowl, yardage totals, etc.

They haven't done those things yet so that hasn't hit the cap yet. So, that's not "unused money" that's just keeping enough in the bank so you don't bounce a check. They need to fit under the cap and they have cap costs that haven't been totaled yet.I can't see one Chiefs player making the ProBowl this year.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 01:17 PM
Gretz is full of shit. How can as of earlier this week we are $4.7 under the cap, but then some of that $4.7 million is be being spent on Weigmann, when we re-signed him in September? This is just another act of desperation to keep the fans snowed again. The Chiefs PR machine is full of shit and are using excuses to justify their shitty off-season plan. Excuses are for losers.
Can anybody address the above?

nmt1
12-01-2004, 01:24 PM
Can anybody address the above?

Why would anyone want to? You wouldn't believe or agree with anything to the contrary.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 01:25 PM
Why would anyone want to? You wouldn't believe or agree with anything to the contrary.Thanks for playing. Move along now.

Bearcat
12-01-2004, 01:33 PM
Lamest hijacking ever.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 01:34 PM
I can't see one Chiefs player making the ProBowl this year.

Well, I've been paying attention and 3, if not 4 of our offensive lineman should. Gonzo should. Dante might. If Holmes does return odds are he does as well.

I'd also be curious to see Jared Allen's contract. I'd bet he's met a few incentives with his PT and sack totals...

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 01:43 PM
Well, I've been paying attention and 3, if not 4 of our offensive lineman should. Gonzo should. Dante might. If Holmes does return odds are he does as well.

I'd also be curious to see Jared Allen's contract. I'd bet he's met a few incentives with his PT and sack totals... I can't see anybody from a 3-8 team be selected to the Pro Bowl. Sure there's been some players that have played well for the Chiefs, I don't know how anybody could justify sending any player on our team to the Pro Bowl, though. Nobody on our team has contributed a Pro Bowl year, hence our record. Just my two cents.

gblowfish
12-01-2004, 01:44 PM
Gretz is a tool. His nose smells like Rufus Dawes' backside. He's assistant minister of propaganda, alongside Rufus and Toady Bob Moore.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 01:49 PM
I can't see anybody from a 3-8 team be selected to the Pro Bowl. Sure there's been some players that have played well for the Chiefs, I don't know how anybody could justify sending any player on our team to the Pro Bowl, though. Nobody on our team has contributed a Pro Bowl year, hence our record. Just my two cents.

That's moronic. You send the players who've played the best at their positions this year to the probowl. Shields is still the best G in the game. Roaf has had a probowl year. Weigman has had a probowl year. Our offensive line, as a whole over the year, has been unbelievable. There is no doubt they deserve to go.

I understand that the probowl has become a popularity contest, but shouldn't be. Ed Reed, for the Ravens, should be in the probowl. He's one of the best, and probably will soon be THE best Safety in the league. The record of his team should have no bearing on that. There are a lot of great players on poor teams this year.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 01:50 PM
Gretz is a tool. His nose smells like Rufus Dawes' backside. He's assistant minister of propaganda, alongside Rufus and Toady Bob Moore.

I agree, and don't care much for Gretz, but I liked the article...

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 01:51 PM
Gretz is full of shit. How can as of earlier this week we are $4.7 under the cap, but then some of that $4.7 million is be being spent on Weigmann, when we re-signed him in September? This is just another act of desperation to keep the fans snowed again. The Chiefs PR machine is full of shit and are using excuses to justify their shitty off-season plan. Excuses are for losers.

"Keep the fans snowed"...LOL...how does a front office keep a group 'snowed' that didnt previously possess any clue as to the financial situation in relation to the cap to begin with?

Show me a single club in the NFL that makes their cap position public knowledge to their fans then I'll stop buying tickets like yourself and refusing to go to the games.

Brock
12-01-2004, 01:54 PM
I can't see anybody from a 3-8 team be selected to the Pro Bowl. Sure there's been some players that have played well for the Chiefs, I don't know how anybody could justify sending any player on our team to the Pro Bowl, though. Nobody on our team has contributed a Pro Bowl year, hence our record. Just my two cents.

It's worth about two cents. There are always players from losing teams in the pro bowl. Just because they play for shitty teams is no reason to keep them out. And Will Shields and Brian Waters most defnitely deserve to be there.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:14 PM
"Keep the fans snowed"...LOL...how does a front office keep a group 'snowed' that didnt previously possess any clue as to the financial situation in relation to the cap to begin with?

Show me a single club in the NFL that makes their cap position public knowledge to their fans then I'll stop buying tickets like yourself and refusing to go to the games.
I'm a season-ticket holder so that blows your theory right out the water.


I keep noticing a common theme around here, those that actually are fed up with the Carl Peterson tenure get summed up as not knowing shit and their opinion isn't as important as the all-mighty homers. Look, if you recall I used to be optimistic as Hell, probably more of a homer than some, but I'm frustrated by it. Until the Chiefs actually show signs of going after players that they think will put us over the top, I will continue to be disgruntled about it. You can poke fun and tease all you want, but it doesn't change the shitty approach of improving our team knowing full well, how pathetic our defense has been for 3 straight years(4 years now). I will continue to vent my displeasure with the team and if you can't deal with the fact that we all want the same for the team, than just ignore me.

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 02:18 PM
I'm a season-ticket holder so that blows your theory right out the water.


I keep noticing a common theme around here, those that actually are fed up with the Carl Peterson tenure get summed up as not knowing shit and their opinion isn't as important as the all-mighty homers. Look, if you recall I used to be optimistic as Hell, probably more of a homer than some, but I'm frustrated by it. Until the Chiefs actually show signs of going after players that they think will put us over the top, I will continue to be disgruntled about it. You can poke fun and tease all you want, but it doesn't change the shitty approach of improving our team knowing full well, how pathetic our defense has been for 3 straight years(4 years now). I will continue to vent my displeasure with the team and if you can't deal with the fact that we all want the same for the team, than just ignore me.

I dont have a theory about anything and my common theme is: "if you've figured it all out and realize it's hopeless, dont pay the money to the fuggers" -- it's quite simple.

It has nothing to do with your opinion and I poke fun at those that have no idea what they are talking about with regard to cap issues, salary negotiations or any other thing that no one knows about outside the front office.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:21 PM
It's worth about two cents. There are always players from losing teams in the pro bowl. Just because they play for shitty teams is no reason to keep them out. And Will Shields and Brian Waters most defnitely deserve to be there. Gee,duh duh thanks for clearing that up. I know players from shit teams make it every year, I just don't think our players deserve it. Green has been on his backside more this year than last, I've seen the all-mighty Will Shields blow assignments. Now that could be due to having to compensate for Welbourn, but it doesn't change that even he has given up some sacks. He's played a good year, but I wouldn't say he's a had a Pro Bowl year. To me, a Pro Bowler makes a difference in the overall outcome of their team and our team including the O-line doesn't look near as good as last year.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 02:24 PM
I'm thinking the Chiefs are protesting too much.

First this crap from Gretz and now the Dawes garbage.

Is it just me or do they get more and more defensive after every loss? By the end of the year, they'll be buying full page ads in the Star proclaiming that all the fans are wrong and the Chiefs front office knows everything.

morphius
12-01-2004, 02:29 PM
Gee,duh duh thanks for clearing that up. I know players from shit teams make it every year, I just don't think our players deserve it. Green has been on his backside more this year than last, I've seen the all-mighty Will Shields blow assignments. Now that could be due to having to compensate for Welbourn, but it doesn't change that even he has given up some sacks. He's played a good year, but I wouldn't say he's a had a Pro Bowl year. To me, a Pro Bowler makes a difference in the overall outcome of their team and our team including the O-line doesn't look near as good as last year.
I think at this point you are just so bitter about the season, and rightfully so, that you can't see that some of our players are actually good.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 02:30 PM
I'm thinking the Chiefs are protesting too much.

First this crap from Gretz and now the Dawes garbage.

Is it just me or do they get more and more defensive after every loss? By the end of the year, they'll be buying full page ads in the Star proclaiming that all the fans are wrong and the Chiefs front office knows everything.

It doesn't come off very well to the average fan, that's for sure.

But when you read a lot of the opinions on here, and listen to the comments of some of the fans on the radio shows you're left with the conclusion that a helluva' lot of fans have no idea what goes in this franchise. I know even less about the cap than yourself, and the average franchise has a guy full time just to track what each movement or trade or game or probowl selection means to the cap. It's a pain even for NFL front offices to manage.

So what we see when things go bad is what's on Jenny's "I hate people" thread. Something bad happens, stupid things are said on both sides, and both sides fire back with more and more idiotic comments...

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:31 PM
I dont have a theory about anything and my common theme is: "if you've figured it all out and realize it's hopeless, dont pay the money to the fuggers" -- it's quite simple.

It has nothing to do with your opinion and I poke fun at those that have no idea what they are talking about with regard to cap issues, salary negotiations or any other thing that no one knows about outside the front office. There are published reports on salary cap numbers, sure they aren't precise but it's a damn good indicator on how much we or don't have to spend every year. You act as if just because somebody isn't a salary cap guru then they have no idea on how it works. It was confirmed by the Chiefs how much cap room we've had this year, so you either believe it or you don't. I do.

On the other note. Don't ****ing tell me where or how to spend my money. I don't do that to you or anybody else for that matter and you and others bringing it up all the time is a cop-out. You seem to take great pride in belittling people with your condescending posts because you have the answers for everything in your eyes. I reside in Kansas City and it's a matter of civic pride on how well our team does. It's a reflection on our city. You can still be supoportive of your CITY's team, afterall they are a small reflection of the city and still not approve of the way they are being run.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 02:32 PM
I think at this point you are just so bitter about the season, and rightfully so, that you can't see that some of our players are actually good.

I'd say that's the opinion of the masses at this point. It's frustrating...

Tribal Warfare
12-01-2004, 02:34 PM
The Gretz article is another attempt for damage control for King Carl

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 02:35 PM
There are published reports on salary cap numbers, sure they aren't precise but it's a damn good indicator on how much we or don't have to spend every year. You act as if just because somebody isn't a salary cap guru then they have no idea on how it works. It was confirmed by the Chiefs how much cap room we've had this year, so you either believe it or you don't. I do.

On the other note. Don't ****ing tell me where or how to spend my money. I don't do that to you or anybody else for that matter and you and others bringing it up all the time is a cop-out. You seem to take great pride in belittling people with your condescending posts because you have the answers for everything in your eyes. I reside in Kansas City and it's a matter of civic pride on how well our team does. It's a reflection on our city. You can still be supoportive of your CITY's team, afterall they are a small reflection of the city and still not approve of the way they are being run.

Those published reports are 'guesses' and not accruate. No team in their right mind is going to divulge their cap situation. Guesses arent worth the paper they're printed on. Some people want to take them as gospel, I dont and somehow the fact I dont really bothers you.

Im not telling you how to spend your money. Im telling you to either put up or shut up. It's quite simple.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:36 PM
I think at this point you are just so bitter about the season, and rightfully so, that you can't see that some of our players are actually good.
Your probably right. I'm definitely jaded after Carl's miniscule off-season.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 02:41 PM
Your probably right. I'm definitely jaded after Carl's miniscule off-season.

Carl was forced to gamble one way or the other: gamble on FA's he didn't know or current Chiefs he did improving and playing better under a better DC. Both are a gamble.

His gamble didn't pay off. Injuries took starters on defense out of every game this year, and the players left played inconsistently. The defense had great outings against the Falcons, Ravens, and Colts. Then puked away most every other week.

This piss poor defense was also compounded by poor in game coaching decisions made by our OC and DV himself. These factors were compounded further the one or two gaffs a game on offense. This was compounded by offensive injuries.

There is no one factor why this season fell apart, but many. Any one alone any good team should be able to overcome, but you add them all up and you aren't going to win.

tk13
12-01-2004, 02:42 PM
Interesting article... I'm real surprised Gretz actually went out to explain the cap situation, I'll give him kudos for that. I would guess 99% of people on this board are clueless (myself included) about everything that goes into the cap and how the Chiefs use it.... I think you might as well be complaining about nuclear physics. I've done a lot to read up about things but there's just no way of knowing anything unless we break into Carl's office and open up the books and look at the contracts/incentives of the players. I'd trust Gretz's numbers over Clayton's, Clayton has always been off on those, last year IIRC he had the Broncos being over the cap all the way into the season, which is impossible....

And for the record, there are people who've said we might have had up to 10 million in cap space, but I'm not naming names.

Phobia
12-01-2004, 02:43 PM
And for the record, there are people who've said we might have had up to 10 million in cap space, but I'm not naming names.

Since the search feature is broken, you're obligated.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:44 PM
Those published reports are 'guesses' and not accruate. No team in their right mind is going to divulge their cap situation. Guesses arent worth the paper they're printed on. Some people want to take them as gospel, I dont and somehow the fact I dont really bothers you.

Im not telling you how to spend your money. Im telling you to either put up or shut up. It's quite simple.
Then why did Gretz actually divulge that information in his recent article?
Quote: REALITY: "As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million."


Hmm, I believe he WORKS for the Chiefs.

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 02:45 PM
There is no one factor why this season fell apart, but many. Any one alone any good team should be able to overcome, but you add them all up and you aren't going to win.

True, but I would point to turnover margin as probably the biggest.

Im of the opinion that this club gets up on a team 14/17-0 on their opponent and suddenly the turn it into a game similar to the Falcons game.

In many instances this year, KC was on the verge of doing just that and lost fumbles or threw picks in the endzone (one of which got returned 102 yards).

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:46 PM
Interesting article... I'm real surprised Gretz actually went out to explain the cap situation, I'll give him kudos for that. I would guess 99% of people on this board are clueless (myself included) about everything that goes into the cap and how the Chiefs use it.... I think you might as well be complaining about nuclear physics. I've done a lot to read up about things but there's just no way of knowing anything unless we break into Carl's office and open up the books and look at the contracts/incentives of the players. I'd trust Gretz's numbers over Clayton's, Clayton has always been off on those, last year IIRC he had the Broncos *

(* Violated the salary cap during their championship seasons) *

(* Violated the salary cap during their championship seasons) being over the cap all the way into the season, which is impossible....

And for the record, there are people who've said we might have had up to 10 million in cap space, but I'm not naming names.
I don't recall anybody saying $10 million in cap space. I remember $5.6 million. Either way, fans are going to be pissed off when there's money left on the table during a losing season.

tk13
12-01-2004, 02:46 PM
Since the search feature is broken, you're obligated.
Well I don't know if there's been anyone recently, but at the beginning of the season I remember seeing that number floated around.... heck at one point back in April or so I thought we might have up to 10 million in space after we let Tait walk. I don't think Gretz just made that up, somebody somewhere said those numbers,...

morphius
12-01-2004, 02:48 PM
Carl was forced to gamble one way or the other: gamble on FA's he didn't know or current Chiefs he did improving and playing better under a better DC. Both are a gamble.

His gamble didn't pay off. Injuries took starters on defense out of every game this year, and the players left played inconsistently. The defense had great outings against the Falcons, Ravens, and Colts. Then puked away most every other week.

This piss poor defense was also compounded by poor in game coaching decisions made by our OC and DV himself. These factors were compounded further the one or two gaffs a game on offense. This was compounded by offensive injuries.

There is no one factor why this season fell apart, but many. Any one alone any good team should be able to overcome, but you add them all up and you aren't going to win.
That sums up my feelings exactly! The most frustrating thing is that we still don't know a lot about some of our players.

FAX
12-01-2004, 02:49 PM
I'm thinking the Chiefs are protesting too much.

First this crap from Gretz and now the Dawes garbage.

Is it just me or do they get more and more defensive after every loss? By the end of the year, they'll be buying full page ads in the Star proclaiming that all the fans are wrong and the Chiefs front office knows everything.

It has been my experience that these types of media tactics usually indicate that an organization has some concerns about their public image. Perhaps someone's ass is feeling the heat generated by the flames of total, complete, and abismal failure?

FAX

beavis
12-01-2004, 02:51 PM
This crap really pisses me off. What is the purpose of it? All it does is make the organization look like a bunch of whiney bitches. We need to dump the whole lot of them and start over.

KCTitus
12-01-2004, 02:52 PM
Then why did Gretz actually divulge that information in his recent article?
Quote: REALITY: "As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million."

Hmm, I believe he WORKS for the Chiefs.

Did you miss the word 'approximately'? Also, what exactly does Gretz do for the franchise?

Rausch
12-01-2004, 02:54 PM
True, but I would point to turnover margin as probably the biggest.

Im of the opinion that this club gets up on a team 14/17-0 on their opponent and suddenly the turn it into a game similar to the Falcons game.

In many instances this year, KC was on the verge of doing just that and lost fumbles or threw picks in the endzone (one of which got returned 102 yards).

I agree. That's the thing, our defense is not good enough to allow any offensive mistakes/drops/turnovers. It can't. Our offense must protect our defense (and did, when we ran the ball and owned the clock) and when it doesn't we lose.

DV seems to know we MUST run the ball and protect our defense to win, but that's not the playcalling we see on gameday. Add to that we had SIX defensive starters our last week, and an INT in a critical drive, we lose.

Too many factors to overcome.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 02:57 PM
Did you miss the word 'approximately'? Also, what exactly does Gretz do for the franchise?
No, I didn't apparently you missed me saying "There are published reports on salary cap numbers, sure they AREN'T PRECISE but it's a damn good indicator on how much we or don't have to spend every year."


Hmmmmm. You see what you want to see and avoid what is REALLY said.

Also on Bob Gretz- Chiefs Operation Director Bob Gretz is an award-winning sportswriter and broadcaster.


Looks like you are WRONG!!! I don't expect you to admit it though.

nmt1
12-01-2004, 04:21 PM
No, I didn't apparently you missed me saying "There are published reports on salary cap numbers, sure they AREN'T PRECISE but it's a damn good indicator on how much we or don't have to spend every year."


Hmmmmm. You see what you want to see and avoid what is REALLY said.

Also on Bob Gretz- Chiefs Operation Director Bob Gretz is an award-winning sportswriter and broadcaster.


Looks like you are WRONG!!! I don't expect you to admit it though.

This is all it says on KCChiefs.com about Gretz:

Bob Gretz
A former beat reporter who covered the Pittsburgh Steelers during their glory years, Gretz covered the Chiefs for the Kansas City Star for nine years before heading up KCFX-FM's sports department. He is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors. His column appears three times a week during the season.
Source (http://www.kcchiefs.com/columnists/)

Bob Gretz FAQ
Jan 19, 2004, 9:41:00 AM
The columns offered by www.kcchiefs.com are among the most popular headings on the site. Bob Gretz, a former beat reporter who covered teams in two cities and is currently sports director of KCFX-FM, the flagship of the Chiefs radio network, has been offering his take on the Chiefs longer than any writer on the teamís official web site. If you scroll down this page, you will have answered many of your questions about the writer and learn more about what he thinks.
Source (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article.asp?ID=GPVJFFCJ57DRRFQPAB5YWZMQ8I)

Where'd you get your info?

nmt1
12-01-2004, 04:22 PM
More info on Gretz:

Bob Gretz - Chiefs Operation Director

Bob Gretz is an award-winning sportswriter and broadcaster. During the last 20 years, he has covered almost every major sporting event. For the last 13 years he has covered the The Kansas City Chiefs as an integral part of the Chiefs Radio Network Broadcast Team. In addition to extensive pre-game commentary and news updates, Gretz can be found during the game on the sidelines reporting the most up to the minute information on injuries, penalties and gametime happenings.
Source (http://www.thefoxrocks.com/quickandinside/broadcast_team.asp)

nmt1
12-01-2004, 04:24 PM
Here's another place to express your displeasure:

Tell Gretz you think Carl sucks. (http://promotions.lookandfeel.com/chiefspromo/promotions/PromoForm.jsp?site=kcchiefs.com&campaign=Kcchiefs.com+Comments)

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 04:25 PM
Your probably right. I'm definitely jaded after Carl's miniscule off-season.
You mean DV's decision to go for percolating team chemistry over injecting new blood.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 04:32 PM
You mean DV's decision to go for percolating team chemistry over injecting new blood.
Carl still has the final say and he signed off on Vermeil's plan as you say.

Rausch
12-01-2004, 04:38 PM
Carl still has the final say and he signed off on Vermeil's plan as you say.

And Lamar hired Carl.

Perhaps if you're angry with Peterson, you should direct your frustration at Lamar Hunt, since that's who hired him. Carl isn't going to fire himself...

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 04:42 PM
Carl still has the final say and he signed off on Vermeil's plan as you say.
He's supposed to hire this guy for the magic he brings AND countermand him on a bedrock principle behind the magic?

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 04:50 PM
And Lamar hired Carl.

Perhaps if you're angry with Peterson, you should direct your frustration at Lamar Hunt, since that's who hired him. Carl isn't going to fire himself...
16 years in a row of failure. I'll leave it at that.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 04:50 PM
He's supposed to hire this guy for the magic he brings AND countermand him on a bedrock principle behind the magic?
He's already done so. Every hear of Larry Johnson?

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 04:52 PM
He's already done so. Every hear of Larry Johnson?
What bedrock principle of DV's did that countermand?

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 04:55 PM
What bedrock principle of DV's did that countermand?The point is Carl has already superceeded what Vermeil's wishes were when we drafted LJ against DV's wishes. Capice?

Baby Lee
12-01-2004, 05:23 PM
The point is Carl has already superceeded what Vermeil's wishes were when we drafted LJ against DV's wishes. Capice?
You see no difference between countermanding a draft day decision and countermanding a bedrock philosophy?
Countermanding him on letting the chemistry percolate would be the equivalent of insisting he change his practice regimen, or forbidding him from meeting with the players socially, or vetoing his choice of Green at QB.
I see the decision on LJ to be a much smaller invasion, yet see how much that little invasion has grated DV.

BigChiefFan
12-01-2004, 05:32 PM
You see no difference between countermanding a draft day decision and countermanding a bedrock philosophy?
Countermanding him on letting the chemistry percolate would be the equivalent of insisting he change his practice regimen, or forbidding him from meeting with the players socially, or vetoing his choice of Green at QB.
I see the decision on LJ to be a much smaller invasion, yet see how much that little invasion has grated DV.
I do see a difference, however the point was that Carl has the power to veto anything DV may or may not want. That's the whole point-he has the final say. Communication between the coach and GM is vital and I'm sure those two are no exception. They correlated a plan TOGETHER and it has failed miserably. A GM that wanted to win it all, may have suggested, hey these players aren't working out, let's go another avenue. Carl needs to be part of the equation, too if they are going to be held to the fire.

Logical
12-01-2004, 06:56 PM
Well I don't know if there's been anyone recently, but at the beginning of the season I remember seeing that number floated around.... heck at one point back in April or so I thought we might have up to 10 million in space after we let Tait walk. I don't think Gretz just made that up, somebody somewhere said those numbers,...

Your memory is not failing, however Carl explained the disparity in September when he let go in an interview that the Chiefs had just over 5 million in dead money which lowered the unused cap amount to the 5 million to 6 million (at the time) range.

KCTitus
12-02-2004, 05:59 AM
Also on Bob Gretz- Chiefs Operation Director Bob Gretz is an award-winning sportswriter and broadcaster.

Looks like you are WRONG!!! I don't expect you to admit it though.

OMG LOL!!!!

Bob Gretz is the Chiefs Operation Director? What exactly does that job entail?

I think I need to email Gretz and see what it is, because it's clear you are sans clue on most everything with regard to this club.