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Cochise
12-02-2004, 12:25 PM
I was having a discussion with some others on where Tony ranks now as opposed to where they think he might rank when he retires among the great tight ends of all time.

It was interesting to look up the numbers. I dont know if I am leaving anyone worthy out of the figures, someone please remind me if that is the case.

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Career Numbers: (Tony is about 3/4 through his 8th season, but for simplicity's sake I just called it 8 seasons in the calculations later)

Tony Gonzalez - ~8 seasons, 532 rec, 6485 yd, 52 TD
Shannon Sharpe - 14 seasons, 815 rec, 10060 yd, 62 TD
Kellen Winslow - 9 seasons, 541 rec, 6741 yd, 45 TD
Ozzie Newsome - 13 seasons, 662 rec, 7980 yd, 47 TD
Jackie Smith - 16 seasons, 480 rec, 7918 yd, 40 TD

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Per season:

Gonzalez - 66.5 rec, 810.6 yd, 6.5 TD
Sharpe - 58.2 rec, 718.6 yd, 4.4 TD
Winslow - 60.1 rec, 749 yd, 5 TD
Newsome - 50.9 rec, 613.8 yd, 3.6 TD
Smith - 30 rec, 494.8 yd, 2.5 TD **

**Smith's per-season averages are skewed here because his last 4 seasons were plagued by injuries and only resulted in 21 receptions.

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Given these numbers, if we extrapolate Tony's current rate of production, he would pass Sharpe in these three categories in...

receptions (needs 283), in 4.25 more seasons
yards (3575), in 4.4 more seasons
touchdowns (10), in 2 more seasons


Thought this was interesting stuff. Anyone I left off the list? Any thoughts on who the greatest is?

Deberg_1990
12-02-2004, 12:34 PM
At this time, Sharpe is still better than Tony G. Sharpe has 3 Super Bowl rings and has played BIG in more big games than Tony. Hopefully , before its all said and done with Tony will get a ring too.

Cochise
12-02-2004, 12:36 PM
At this time, Sharpe is still better than Tony G. Sharpe has 3 Super Bowl rings and has played BIG in more big games than Tony. Hopefully , before its all said and done with Tony will get a ring too.

I dont think you can evaluate players based on rings. Teams win super bowls not individuals.

By that logic, you have to put Emmitt Smith above Walter Payton because Payton only got 1 ring, and way ahead of Barry Sanders because he never got one at all.

John_Wayne
12-02-2004, 12:38 PM
But, but, but, but what about Antonio Gates??? He's going to be better than Jerry Rice after he plays for 18 years !!!! Come on guys. You're leaving out the greatest TE in NFL history. What a bunch of homers you are.

Rain Man
12-02-2004, 12:50 PM
Interesting analysis. Tony is stacking up quite well.

Setting aside Tony for a moment since he's still active, I'd say that Winslow and Newsome set the standard for tight ends.

Other top TEs, in my opinion, are Jackie Smith, Riley Odoms, Charlie Sanders, Mickey Shuler, Ben Coates, and Shannon Sharpe, even though Sharpe was really just a big wide receiver.

Brent Jones, Dave Casper, Todd Christenson, Mike Ditka, and Jay Novacek were all overrated in my opinion. They were good, but they're weren't top tier. I'd put Ted Kwalik and Jerry Smith above them.

beavis
12-02-2004, 12:56 PM
He sucks. I say we trade him for the highest available draft pick.

KingPriest2
12-02-2004, 12:59 PM
Not including this season this is what you are looking for
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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=90238

beavis
12-02-2004, 01:00 PM
Not including this season this is what you are looking for

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1740240
The reply button?

KingPriest2
12-02-2004, 01:05 PM
The reply button?

Fixed now.

Garcia Bronco
12-02-2004, 01:06 PM
I dont think you can evaluate players based on rings. Teams win super bowls not individuals.

By that logic, you have to put Emmitt Smith above Walter Payton because Payton only got 1 ring, and way ahead of Barry Sanders because he never got one at all.

I do think the ES has surpassed Sweetness and Sanders.

Deberg_1990
12-02-2004, 01:21 PM
I do think the ES has surpassed Sweetness and Sanders.

Sanders perhaps, I dont think sweetness though. Emmit was a MUCH better short yardage back than Sanders could have ever dreamt of being. That is where games are won and lost.

beavis
12-02-2004, 01:23 PM
I do think the ES has surpassed Sweetness and Sanders.
Not even close. What Sanders did with little to no surrounding talent is nothing short of amazing. I still maintain that if Smith hadn't played behind that line for all those years, we wouldn't even be mentioning him in the same breath.

Cochise
12-02-2004, 01:33 PM
Barry Sanders is the best I ever saw, but I'm only 25. Not old enough to remember Payton even.

Deberg_1990
12-02-2004, 01:40 PM
Not even close. What Sanders did with little to no surrounding talent is nothing short of amazing. I still maintain that if Smith hadn't played behind that line for all those years, we wouldn't even be mentioning him in the same breath.

Sanders was awesume and exciting to watch, dont get me wrong, but he sucked in short yardage. He was notorious for running 7 or 8 times and only gaining about 10 yards, then he would break a long one for 60 or 70 yards.

Braincase
12-02-2004, 02:22 PM
As a complete tight end, I'd put Sterling Sharpe ahead of Shannon Sharpe. Too bad about his neck injury.

KingPriest2
12-02-2004, 02:23 PM
As a complete tight end, I'd put Sterling Sharpe ahead of Shannon Sharpe. Too bad about his neck injury.


Sterling was a wide reciever not a tight end.

J Diddy
12-02-2004, 02:25 PM
Sterling was a wide reciever not a tight end.


He was a wide receiver and a damn fine one too.Not nearly the mouth on him that shannon has.

John_Wayne
12-02-2004, 02:45 PM
I liked Sterling Sharpe as a WR. That play where he spiked the ball in the snow 5 yards from the goal line is a classic!!

Deberg_1990
12-02-2004, 03:41 PM
I liked Sterling Sharpe as a WR. That play where he spiked the ball in the snow 5 yards from the goal line is a classic!!

Yea, that was classic. Too bad his career ended like that. Him and Favre would have been similar too Harrison and Manning.