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FringeNC
12-06-2004, 09:12 PM
KC and Indy have almost indentical offensive and defensive total yardage stats -- theories on why such different points allowed and win/loss record?

philfree
12-06-2004, 10:05 PM
Turnovers and penalties.


PhilFree :arrow:

morphius
12-06-2004, 10:06 PM
Turnovers and penalties.


PhilFree :arrow:
Yup, that pretty much covers it. We have one of the worst turnover ratios in the league.

bkkcoh
12-06-2004, 10:11 PM
Turnovers and penalties.


PhilFree :arrow:


Indy is +16 in TO ratio KC is -8, :banghead:

Manning has only been sacked 7 times compared to 24 to Green

philfree
12-06-2004, 10:13 PM
We have one of the worst turnover ratios in the league.


We have 11 combined FR and INTS? And then combine that with our TOs that have happened deep in enemy territory in the 2nd half and it's easy to see why we are what we are.

PhilFree :arrow:

tk13
12-06-2004, 10:14 PM
Indy is +16 in TO ratio KC is -8, :banghead:
Yeah, and the fact that we can keep pace with the elite teams in terms of offensive statistics is pretty amazing considering the turnovers and penalties.....

stevieray
12-06-2004, 10:18 PM
Yeah, and the fact that we can keep pace with the elite teams in terms of offensive statistics is pretty amazing considering the turnovers and penalties.....

Especially considering that Holmes is the whole offense.

mightyphoenix1
12-06-2004, 10:49 PM
2003 Chiefs=2004 Colts
2003 Priest Holmes Record breaking TD's=2004 Peyton Manning record breaking TD's.
2003 Chiefs _efense counts on turnovers to get stops=2004 Colts _efense counts on tunovers to get stops.
2003 Chiefs 2nd round defensive playoff disaster=2004 Colts ?.

RINGLEADER
12-07-2004, 12:05 AM
Turnover differential.

Plus the fact that the Chiefs have this uncanny knack for losing the ball in the red zone.

I think four or five of our losses can be traced to single plays. Chiefs could easily be 9-3 right now...or at least 8-4 (should have won against the Titans, Bucs, Saints and Chargers). Hopefully the Chiefs will get a couple playmakers on defense in the offseason and cut the laggards that have taken the Chiefs to the bottom-five in defense the last three seasons.

Douche Baggins
12-07-2004, 01:06 AM
Because we choke when it counts.

Gaz
12-07-2004, 05:55 AM
Turnovers, penalties and the Offense choking at crunch time.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has seen way too many opportunities wasted this season.

MichaelH
12-07-2004, 06:02 AM
I think it's safe to say the special teams haven't helped either.

TEX
12-07-2004, 06:26 AM
Turnover differential.

Plus the fact that the Chiefs have this uncanny knack for losing the ball in the red zone.

I think four or five of our losses can be traced to single plays. Chiefs could easily be 9-3 right now...or at least 8-4 (should have won against the Titans, Bucs, Saints and Chargers). Hopefully the Chiefs will get a couple playmakers on defense in the offseason and cut the laggards that have taken the Chiefs to the bottom-five in defense the last three seasons.

Don't you mean the Texans? We haven't played the Titans yet. Course you could be psychic... :hmmm:

KingPriest2
12-07-2004, 07:12 AM
Especially considering that Holmes is the whole offense.


No he isn't.

KingPriest2
12-07-2004, 07:13 AM
You also have to remember this is Sir Peyton we are talking about. The NFL changed the rule just for him.

FringeNC
12-07-2004, 09:07 AM
I pretty much agree with the sentiments on this thread. Regarding Red Zone performance, while not as good as the last couple years, we are still pretty good. Given our bad D, we need to be close to perfect because we get very few easy TDs like Indy - our WRs simply suck.

Regarding our D, not only do they give up tons of yards, but they generate no turnovers either...

Douche Baggins
12-07-2004, 09:11 AM
our WRs simply suck.


KC and Indy are the only two teams in the league with 3 players in the top 30 in receiving.

HC_Chief
12-07-2004, 09:12 AM
Red zone turnovers. They're why we're 4-8 instead of 8-4.

FringeNC
12-07-2004, 09:20 AM
KC and Indy are the only two teams in the league with 3 players in the top 30 in receiving.

What's their rank in TDs receiving? And I bet their ratio of TDs / yards is the lowest in the league.

Douche Baggins
12-07-2004, 09:25 AM
What's their rank in TDs receiving? And I bet their ratio of TDs / yards is the lowest in the league.

They aren't here to score monster TDs. That's Priest's and Tony's job's.

Interestingly enough Tony only has 5 TDs this year. Does he suck?

MOhillbilly
12-07-2004, 09:34 AM
Cheese....


Swisscheese will do for defense if you are lucky.

morphius
12-07-2004, 09:46 AM
What's their rank in TDs receiving? And I bet their ratio of TDs / yards is the lowest in the league.
Out of the top 30 receivers in the league (yard wise)

Gonzo is 18th
Kennison is 23rd
Morton is 29th

In just the AFC top 30 WR/TE yard wise...
Gonzo is 17th
Kennison is 20th
Morton is 28th

Douche Baggins
12-07-2004, 09:54 AM
Out of the top 30 receivers in the league (yard wise)

Gonzo is 18th
Kennison is 23rd
Morton is 29th

In just the AFC top 30 WR/TE yard wise...
Gonzo is 17th
Kennison is 20th
Morton is 28th

There's nothing wrong with that.

Kennison is even higher if you go by yards/game. He's missed 2 3/4 games.

Your stats are wrong according to NFL.com BTW.

FringeNC
12-07-2004, 10:23 AM
They aren't here to score monster TDs. That's Priest's and Tony's job's.

Interestingly enough Tony only has 5 TDs this year. Does he suck?

He's triple-teamed in the end zone because our WRs only can get open on slow developing play-fakes. In the red zone, they are MIA.

Douche Baggins
12-07-2004, 10:25 AM
He's triple-teamed in the end zone because our WRs only can get open on slow developing play-fakes. In the red zone, they are MIA.

OK you are right. That still does not mean Morton and Kennison "suck." Very few WRs in this league are huge redzone threats.

morphius
12-07-2004, 10:38 AM
There's nothing wrong with that.

Kennison is even higher if you go by yards/game. He's missed 2 3/4 games.

Your stats are wrong according to NFL.com BTW.
I was doing Yards/TD to get the average yards per TD and that is where they ranked, since that is what he asked.

Out of the Entire NFL WR's only with the same formula
Kennison is 71st
Morton 96th (with 105th below being guys with no TD's)

Now taking just the people with 400+ yards in receptions (62 WR's)...
Kennison 36th
Morton 51st

Deberg_1990
12-07-2004, 11:25 AM
2003 Chiefs=2004 Colts
2003 Priest Holmes Record breaking TD's=2004 Peyton Manning record breaking TD's.
2003 Chiefs _efense counts on turnovers to get stops=2004 Colts _efense counts on tunovers to get stops.
2003 Chiefs 2nd round defensive playoff disaster=2004 Colts ?.

BINGO! They are pretty much the same team as the 2003 Chiefs. They will FAIL come crunch time as well. Instead of Priest running for a record number of TD's you have Sir Peyton throwing for a record number of TD's. Whats amazing is, Priest last year didnt get anywhere near the amount of press coverage as Sir Peyton has for his accomplishments.

damnit, I hate that turd Manning!

patteeu
12-07-2004, 01:32 PM
He's triple-teamed in the end zone because our WRs only can get open on slow developing play-fakes. In the red zone, they are MIA.

Excellent observation/theory. Mike Williams would probably help out in that area. Hopefully Kris Wilson can crack that nut too.

patteeu
12-07-2004, 01:34 PM
BINGO! They are pretty much the same team as the 2003 Chiefs. They will FAIL come crunch time as well. Instead of Priest running for a record number of TD's you have Sir Peyton throwing for a record number of TD's. Whats amazing is, Priest last year didnt get anywhere near the amount of press coverage as Sir Peyton has for his accomplishments.

damnit, I hate that turd Manning!

I bet Indy wins their first playoff game if it is at home.

tk13
12-07-2004, 01:49 PM
BINGO! They are pretty much the same team as the 2003 Chiefs. They will FAIL come crunch time as well. Instead of Priest running for a record number of TD's you have Sir Peyton throwing for a record number of TD's. Whats amazing is, Priest last year didnt get anywhere near the amount of press coverage as Sir Peyton has for his accomplishments.

damnit, I hate that turd Manning!
They've scored what, 182 points in the last 4 games.... most all of them just in the first 3 quarters of games. We've never done that. I don't know, I've just never gotten the feeling that we were ever in the kind of zone they are in right now. They are the most dominant unit (offense or defense) in the league right now.

stevieray
12-07-2004, 02:12 PM
No he isn't.

I was being sarcastic.