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tk13
12-08-2004, 02:11 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/10363451.htm

These kids are all right

Chiefs' young players have stepped up

By IVAN CARTER The Kansas City Star


If the Chiefs and Titans were in the NFC, they'd enter Monday night's matchup with dreams of a playoff run still dancing in their heads. However, because both squads are in the AFC, they'll be playing for something else: the future.

When the Chiefs' season officially hit the skids with a loss at New Orleans three weeks ago, coach Dick Vermeil made it clear that he wouldn't usher in a youth movement just for the future's sake.

Still, the Chiefs are heading in that direction anyway.

Injuries have created playing time for fresh faces like running back Larry Johnson, who rushed for a career-high 118 yards in Sunday's victory at Oakland, safety Willie Pile, who finished second on the team with six tackles in the victory, and offensive lineman Jordan Black, who despite having not played right tackle since high school, filled in ably at that spot when Chris Bober went down in the third quarter.

Also, rookie defensive end Jared Allen played almost the entire game and picked up his sixth and seventh sacks of the season while first-year kicker Lawrence Tynes, who missed an extra point during crunch time of a loss at Jacksonville on Oct. 17, looked deep into the heart of the Black Hole and nailed a key 22-yard field goal in the fourth quarter.

As the Chiefs celebrated the victory in the visiting locker room on Sunday, some of the visibly happy players were youngsters like Johnson, Pile, Black, Allen and Tynes.

“We just got a real taste of what the Chiefs-Raiders rivalry is all about,” said Pile, whose clutch fourth-quarter tackle on Ronald Curry may have prevented a touchdown. “We all know about it from watching the older guys, but it's a situation where you really can't understand what it's like until you're out there in the game. It feels real good as a young player to come out in a game like this and help us get a win.”

Pile, who was a seventh-round pick out of Virginia Tech in the 2003 draft, is one of 12 rookie or first-year players on the Chiefs' active roster. Another seven players, including Johnson, Black, defensive end Jimmy Wilkerson and middle linebacker Kawika Mitchell, are in their second seasons.

As the season winds down, more of the team's young players will get a chance to show what they can do. Specifically, rookie tight end Kris Wilson continues to make progress after re-aggravating a leg injury a few weeks ago and could see action against the Titans on Monday night and rookie offensive tackle Kevin Sampson, a seventh-round draft choice who was one of the pleasant surprises of training camp, could see action at right tackle.

Other rookies, like linebacker Keyaron Fox, linebacker Rich Scanlon and cornerback Benny Sapp, were active and participated on special teams Sunday. Yet another, wide receiver Samie Parker, dressed but did not play.

Allen continues to stand out as a playmaker. He needs three sacks in the final four games to reach 10 for the season, an accomplishment that would match Derrick Thomas' sack total as a rookie in 1989. The last Chiefs defensive lineman to reach double digits in sacks was Eric Hicks, who totaled 14 in 2000. The Chiefs haven't had a double-digit sack total come out of the right defensive end position — key because that is the blind side of most quarterbacks — since Thomas racked up 12 in 1998.

Listed at 6 feet 6, 265 pounds, Allen is sometimes driven off the line of scrimmage by offensive tackles much larger than him, and he's had more than one pass rush conclude with him on the ground. But he counters a lack of bulk with an explosive first step and a motor that never quits.

Allen also has played the role of team comedian. To celebrate Halloween and Vermeil's birthday, Allen showed up for a team meeting sporting nothing more than a black Speedo swimsuit, goggles and six gold medals a la Olympic champion Michael Phelps.

“His progress has exceeded where I thought it would be 12 weeks into the season,” Vermeil said. “I thought he'd be a player, I think we all did when we drafted him. … The number one thing a kid like Jared Allen brings to a team is a passion to play. It doesn't matter if it's on the practice field or pregame warmup or the last snap of the fourth quarter, he has a passion to compete and play the game equivalent to anyone on our roster.”

Vermeil, his coaching staff and the Chiefs' front office will continue to evaluate the team's young players over the course of the next four weeks. A few of them already have carved out a place for themselves next season and beyond while others, like Wilson and Parker, are looking forward to getting that chance.

“There are some kids that love to play and don't mind working hard and have really taken the time to evaluate the Will Shieldses, the Eric Hickses, Tony Gonzalezs, the Johnnie Mortons and Eddie Kennisons,” Vermeil said. “They've watched how they work and how they prepare. Those guys are great examples and (the young) players can learn from them.”

Demonpenz
12-08-2004, 02:13 AM
i am hopeful johnson will workout. Hopefully he is an eddie george type of back. Out of all the busts mentioned along with johnson, how many of them had 100 yard games. I am talking about enis and carter

Demonpenz
12-08-2004, 02:14 AM
i think mitchell sucks at flowing to the ball. After seeing dat ngyenn on monday

Rausch
12-08-2004, 02:18 AM
while first-year kicker Lawrence Tynes, who missed an extra point during crunch time of a loss at Jacksonville on Oct. 17, looked deep into the heart of the Black Hole and nailed a key 22-yard field goal in the fourth quarter.


Is this a sick joke?

It's sad when a 22 yard FG starts being considered as "clutch."

tk13
12-08-2004, 02:19 AM
Is this a sick joke?

It's sad when a 22 yard FG starts being considered as "clutch."
It's 3 points during crunch time...

Demonpenz
12-08-2004, 02:27 AM
Tk13 peyton will suck in the playoffs. too much clutching and grabbing

el borracho
12-08-2004, 03:33 AM
Why the hell does Eric Hicks have a job? Why?

Bob Dole
12-08-2004, 04:19 AM
i am hopeful johnson will workout. Hopefully he is an eddie george type of back.

It escapes Bob Dole why anyone would want a back that averages 3.6 yards per carry, but otay.

MichaelH
12-08-2004, 06:48 AM
It seems most successful teams have positive output from their rookies or second year players. I think the young guys can do just as good as the older players on defense. Injuries or not, I say bench the unproductive veterans and give all the young guys a chance, so far they're doing a great job. :thumb:

Gaz
12-08-2004, 06:52 AM
I have been impressed with Johnson, Allen & Harts. Black, Pile & Caver both had pretty good games last Sunday.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wants to see more of the rookies.

donkhater
12-08-2004, 06:54 AM
It seems most successful teams have positive output from their rookies or second year players. I think the young guys can do just as good as the older players on defense. Injuries or not, I say bench the unproductive veterans and give all the young guys a chance, so far they're doing a great job. :thumb:
A good argument especially considering how often we hear how the defensive players resort back to the techniques taught by the old regim. The young players shouldn't have that stigma so they should be easier to coach. If the vet can't live up to that, bye-bye.

On another note, it'll be interesting to see if Allen goes on to have a Thomas like career (blossom into a pass rushing force) or a Eric-Hicks type career (one year pass rush wonder)

C-Mac
12-08-2004, 08:07 AM
I have been impressed with Johnson, Allen & Harts. Black, Pile & Caver both had pretty good games last Sunday.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wants to see more of the rookies.


Agreed. You know I always wondered about Caver because he was a dominate monster linbacker at Arkansas. I think it was the Browns that picked him in the 2nd round, then let him go. But he appears to be solid when on the field and perhaps he's benefitting from Gun's influence.

BigChiefFan
12-08-2004, 08:20 AM
Agreed. You know I always wondered about Caver because he was a dominate monster linbacker at Arkansas. I think it was the Browns that picked him in the 2nd round, then let him go. But he appears to be solid when on the field and perhaps he's benefitting from Gun's influence.
He was drafted by the Eagles. He's had some good moments, but since he is a FA after this season, I don't understand why they don't play Fox alot more.

Uncle_Ted
12-08-2004, 08:27 AM
Is this a sick joke?

It's sad when a 22 yard FG starts being considered as "clutch."

I was thinking the same thing ... I mean c'mon, that's only 2 yds. more than an extra point. The only way it was "clutch" is that Tynes would be walking the street today if he'd missed that kick.

morphius
12-08-2004, 08:28 AM
Why the hell does Eric Hicks have a job? Why?
Because he works so hard in practice is the only thing I can think of. The only stat you ever hear DV talk about with the guy is "QB Pressures", which is a good stat to keep an eye on, but I think they are a little generious in the one's they give the guy.

KCTitus
12-08-2004, 08:29 AM
Fuggin' Pile...Carl really overpaid for this guy, 7th round?! WTF! Carl didnt need to waste a draft pick on him, he could have been a UDFA, but OH NO!, Carl had to use a KEY pick on him.

MOhillbilly
12-08-2004, 08:29 AM
Its all bullshit from here on out,just chumps filling time and space.

Bring on the draft.

Chiefnj
12-08-2004, 08:30 AM
Other than Allen I haven't seen any young players really step up this year on defense. Perhaps Bartee and Sapp have shown some ability, but I just don't understand how people could be impressed by Harts, Pile, Caver, Mitchell or anyone else. True, Harts and Pile aren't playing worse than Woods and Wesley, but that isn't saying much because the two starters were absolutely horrible. Opposing QB's and WRs are still beating our safeties in the passing game and are having such good fortune overall teams have all but abandoned the run.

milkman
12-08-2004, 08:31 AM
[url]“There are some kids that love to play and don't mind working hard and have really taken the time to evaluate the Will Shieldses, the Eric Hickses, Tony Gonzalezs, the Johnnie Mortons and Eddie Kennisons,” Vermeil said. “They've watched how they work and how they prepare. Those guys are great examples and (the young) players can learn from them.”

Eric Hicks?
A good example?
Of what?

How to win a job, then hold on to it despite the fact that you've sucked ass the last 3 seasons?

Gaz
12-08-2004, 08:33 AM
I would rather be watching Chiefs football than wishing I was watching Chiefs football.

The offseason will be here soon enough. I still have some football to enjoy.

xoxo~
Gaz
In no hurry for the offseason.

Wile_E_Coyote
12-08-2004, 08:41 AM
Eric Hicks?
A good example?
Of what?

How to win a job, then hold on to it despite the fact that you've sucked ass the last 3 seasons?

Hicks most bring something to the locker room or weight room. When ever someone who has access to the locker room talks about him they only have nice things to say, Whitlock, Petro ect.

morphius
12-08-2004, 08:43 AM
Eric Hicks?
A good example?
Of what?

How to win a job, then hold on to it despite the fact that you've sucked ass the last 3 seasons?
Come on, he is 16th on the team in tackles and he has 3 sacks. Of course I think a couple of those "sacks" were, QB falls down and lays in fetal position and Hicks is the first to walk over there and touch him down. Just because Jared Allen has received less then 1/2 the snaps, has more tackles, twice as many sacks, should not bring any sort of disdain on our defensive leader Eric Hicks....

Morphius
We have to do better then that.

Chief Henry
12-08-2004, 08:48 AM
I would rather be watching Chiefs football than wishing I was watching Chiefs football.

The offseason will be here soon enough. I still have some football to enjoy.

xoxo~
Gaz
In no hurry for the offseason.




AMEN Gaz

Chief Henry
12-08-2004, 08:50 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/10363451.htm

These kids are all right

Chiefs' young players have stepped up

By IVAN CARTER The Kansas City Star

Allen also has played the role of team comedian. To celebrate Halloween and Vermeil's birthday, Allen showed up for a team meeting sporting nothing more than a black Speedo swimsuit, goggles and six gold medals a la Olympic champion Michael Phelps.




That is some mental picture to save in the ol memory bank !!!

milkman
12-08-2004, 09:04 AM
Hicks most bring something to the locker room or weight room. When ever someone who has access to the locker room talks about him they only have nice things to say, Whitlock, Petro ect.

I don't give a rat's ass if he's a locker room leader, a workout warrior, a practice field demon, or anything else.
If he sucks on the field wheen the game's being played, then sit his ass down and put someone out there that can make plays.

Wile_E_Coyote
12-08-2004, 09:22 AM
I don't give a rat's ass if he's a locker room leader, a workout warrior, a practice field demon, or anything else.
If he sucks on the field wheen the game's being played, then sit his ass down and put someone out there that can make plays.

actually I was thinking along the lines of a hooker & a fifth of Jack :)

"Hicks most bring something to the locker room or weight room. When ever someone who has access to the locker room talks about him they only have nice things to say, Whitlock, Petro ect. "

milkman
12-08-2004, 09:38 AM
actually I was thinking along the lines of a hooker & a fifth of Jack :)

"Hicks most bring something to the locker room or weight room. When ever someone who has access to the locker room talks about him they only have nice things to say, Whitlock, Petro ect. "

You're thouht is much more kind to Hicks than I initially thought when I read that line about bringing something to the locker room.

I decided to use some discretion when I responded, however.

Hoover
12-08-2004, 09:39 AM
Allen also has played the role of team comedian. To celebrate Halloween and Vermeil's birthday, Allen showed up for a team meeting sporting nothing more than a black Speedo swimsuit, goggles and six gold medals a la Olympic champion Michael Phelps.


This guy is great, gald I didn't have to see it but that is some funny $hit

Wile_E_Coyote
12-08-2004, 09:42 AM
You're thouht is much more kind to Hicks than I initially thought when I read that line about bringing something to the locker room.

I decided to use some discretion when I responded, however.

ROFL

NY CHIEF
12-08-2004, 11:05 AM
Scanlon and Sampson, Time for the syracuse boys to show their stuff.Hopefully the 4742 scanlon bashers wont start on Sampson :thumb:

Mr. Laz
12-08-2004, 12:43 PM
Also, rookie defensive end Jared Allen played almost the entire game and picked up his sixth and seventh sacks of the season while first-year

Allen continues to stand out as a playmaker. He needs three sacks in the final four games to reach 10 for the season, an accomplishment that would match Derrick Thomas' sack total as a rookie in 1989. The last Chiefs defensive lineman to reach double digits in sacks was Eric Hicks, who totaled 14 in 2000. The Chiefs haven't had a double-digit sack total come out of the right defensive end position — key because that is the blind side of most quarterbacks — since Thomas racked up 12 in 1998.


with all due respect to Allen, he'll prolly have twice the number of defensive plays this year to get those sacks. Derrick thomas was on a decent defense and had alot less plays to achieve his sacks.


this year our defense is all the field sooooooooo long that the "hustle" sacks are bound to turn up.

Lzen
12-08-2004, 12:59 PM
with all due respect to Allen, he'll prolly have twice the number of defensive plays this year to get those sacks. Derrick thomas was on a decent defense and had alot less plays to achieve his sacks.


this year our defense is all the field sooooooooo long that the "hustle" sacks are bound to turn up.

You could use that argument. Then again, one could argue that DT was on teams whose offense couldn't stay on the field very long. It would be interesting to see the actual stats.

Chiefnj
12-08-2004, 01:00 PM
with all due respect to Allen, he'll prolly have twice the number of defensive plays this year to get those sacks. Derrick thomas was on a decent defense and had alot less plays to achieve his sacks.


this year our defense is all the field sooooooooo long that the "hustle" sacks are bound to turn up.

You can argue just the opposite. WIth guys like Lewis, Ross and Cherry in the secondary I'm sure receivers were being covered a lot longer than they are in 2004 giving a young DT more time to get to the QB. Opposing DL's also had to worry about Smith, Saleamua and Maas more than they do Hicks, Sims and Browning.

ROYC75
12-08-2004, 01:24 PM
Scanlon and Sampson, Time for the syracuse boys to show their stuff.Hopefully the 4742 scanlon bashers wont start on Sampson :thumb:

ROFL

Just think, If Eric (the road grader ) Downing was here, that would be 3 Cuse players on the roster.

Gaz
12-08-2004, 01:27 PM
You can argue just the opposite. WIth guys like Lewis, Ross and Cherry in the secondary I'm sure receivers were being covered a lot longer than they are in 2004 giving a young DT more time to get to the QB. Opposing DL's also had to worry about Smith, Saleamua and Maas more than they do Hicks, Sims and Browning.

That makes a lot more sense to me.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would think a very good secondary made a DEs life easier until the PI rules were changed.