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Alphaman
12-09-2004, 06:44 AM
In my mind, we must overhaul the defense and the starting WRs. Our LBs are soft, poor tacklers and don't display good football instincts. Our WRs are aging and project to provide less production next year. I think you have to move them before the decline, not after. I think there are some 2nd tier FAs that can be signed this year along with a strong draft to overhaul the defense as well as the WR corp.

As I see it, the following guys need to be cut: Barber, McCleon, Holliday, Kennison, Morton. I'd add Hicks and Woods to that list, but since they just signed new deals last year, I'd try and do it after June 1st.

I'd move Fujita and Mitchell to back up roles.

Free agents: Gary Baxter, Ed Hartwell, Kendrell Bell, Darren Howard, Jerry Porter and David Terrell. These guys will get good contracts but not cap busting deals (Baxter, Porter and Howard will be the biggest).

Draft: I'm assuming we get to keep the 3rd and send Philly the 4th. I'm also assuming we a 4th round comp pick for Tait. Finally, I'm assuming we draft 9th. We have 2 extra 5th round picks, 1 from Detroit (moved up in the draft last year) and 1 from GB (Truluck). I've only done through the 5th round. After that, you are talking about long shots.

*Round 1) Ahmad Brooks - LB - Virginia
*Round 2) Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn
*Round 3) Andrew Walters - QB - Arizona State - Good draft to get a potential QBOTF. Trent and Collins are both getting older.
*Round 4) Chris Canty - DE - Virginia - 2nd round talent falls in the draft due to season ending injury
*Round 5) Ciatric Fason - RB - Florida - Need a 3rd RB, Blaylock is not resigned due to LJs performance/contract and the cap
*Round 5) Ronald Bartell - CB - Howard - Raw with tons of potential
*Round 5) Manuel White - FB - UCLA - Need a backup to T-Rich to sit on the practice squad. Kris Wilson will be the backup FB and 3rd TE, allowing us to carry 6 WRs.

Finally, I would move Julian Battle to Free Safety. While he struggles as a CB is he is a very good athlete. Jerome Woods started off as a CB and became a very good free safety. Unfortunately he's not performing at that level anymore. Pile has shown good tackling skills, so I'd have Battle and Pile compete for the starting spot.

Many will say we can't sign 6 guys with the cap. We are currently $3M to $5M below this years cap. I can't see next year being much different, but let's say we are right at next season's cap. Cutting Holliday saves $5M against the cap. McCleon, Barber, Kennison and Morton's salaries next year that are counting against the cap are large enough to offset the accelerated signing bonus. But to be conservative let's say they cost us $2M of dead cap space. We are still $3M ahead. Holmes, Green, Warfield, and Gonzo all have contracts that can easily be restructured. I think we could easily get $1.5M in cap room from each of them. Note, restructuring is not a pay cut, it's a signing bonus and an extension. Hurts the cap later, but helps it now. That's an additional $6M. So conservatively we'd have $9M in cap space. If those 6 guys total $35M in signing bonuses averaging 7 year contracts, thats a $5M hit. First year salaries on those deals will be in the $500K range, so that's $3M more. We'd still have $1M under the cap. We'd likely have to restructure a couple of more deals (Shields, Roaf, Hall) to sign the rookies, but that's not difficult. I've tried to be conservative with the numbers.

OK...blast away, but be gentle.

Count Zarth
12-09-2004, 06:47 AM
You're nuts as far as our WRs go.

This argument everyone makes about them getting older is ludicrous.

They are older than they were last year, yet are having better seasons.

Morton has a year or two before he starts showing a huge decline, and Kennison two or three.

David Terrell. ROFL

You want to give KC fans something to bitch about, David Terrell is it. His hands are ATROCIOUS.

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 06:48 AM
Cut 7 starters and sign 6 FA's....LOL, dude, prepare to be severly disappointed.

If KC signs 3 FA's, I'll be seriously shocked.

Count Zarth
12-09-2004, 06:54 AM
BTW, the only guy on your list that will be cut is Holliday.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 06:57 AM
You're nuts as far as our WRs go.

This argument everyone makes about them getting older is ludicrous.

They are older than they were last year, yet are having better seasons.

Morton has a year or two before he starts showing a huge decline, and Kennison two or three.

David Terrell. ROFL

You want to give KC fans something to bitch about, David Terrell is it. His hands are ATROCIOUS.


You and I will go round and round about this as we already have. Better years than last year is not saying much. They are already declining. We would Kennison have gotten caught from behind 3 years ago? NO, but he did against TB. I've made the injury argument before. It's not they get injured (everybody does), it's that their age is causing them to recover slower. They also have huge drops.

I'll conceed that Terrell may be a bad pickup. I don't follow him close enough to comment on his hands. I based signing him on the fact that he is big, fast, already working in this offense and will come relatively ccheap. If not him, then someone else. I think with Porter and another FA WR can give us the same production as Morton and Kennison with upside and longevity.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 06:58 AM
Cut 7 starters and sign 6 FA's....LOL, dude, prepare to be severly disappointed.

If KC signs 3 FA's, I'll be seriously shocked.

Like I said, this is my plan. I agree with you. My guess is that the Chiefs sign 2 or 3 FAs. DE, CB and WR.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:00 AM
BTW, the only guy on your list that will be cut is Holliday.

No I think McCleon will definitely be gone and if Gun has his say, Barber probably as well.

This could be the one offseason where there is considerable movement on the defense. There is great frustration over their performance.

Count Zarth
12-09-2004, 07:02 AM
They are already declining. We would Kennison have gotten caught from behind 3 years ago? NO, but he did against TB.

Based on what?

As far as getting caught from behind, that's the ONLY time this year, he's had plenty of other long gainers where he DIDN'T get caught from behind.

Both of them will start next year, so you might as well get used to it.

Count Zarth
12-09-2004, 07:03 AM
No I think McCleon will definitely be gone and if Gun has his say, Barber probably as well.

This could be the one offseason where there is considerable movement on the defense. There is great frustration over their performance.

I don't think McCleon or Barber will be cut simply because:

A) They don't suck as bad as Holliday

B) Their cap hit is larger

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 07:07 AM
I have to admit, though, the Arizona St. QB pick is interesting...I could agree with that.

nmt1
12-09-2004, 07:10 AM
I'm guessing you are satisfied that our younger players on the OL will be able to step in and fill Roaf's and Sheilds' shoes. I agree to an extent but I'm a little worried about the LT position. Roaf is a HOF'r and, IMO, there's a big dropoff after him.
While I'd love to have Ahmad Brooks, due to me being a big UVA fan, I don't think he's coming out this year. He's a true sophomore that's 3 years beyond his HS graduation so he's eligible but I think he might stay around UVA one more year in hopes of finishing a little higher in the rankings next season. This is all just my speculation.
I see your draft as a little short sighted. We definitly need to improve the defense but I don't think we should count on any rookies to make significant contributions in their first year. We should focus on BAA regardless of position for our higher draft picks. IMO, we put ourselves at a disadvantage when we draft for need.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:19 AM
I don't think McCleon or Barber will be cut simply because:

A) They don't suck as bad as Holliday

B) Their cap hit is larger


Like I said, I think their salary next year is large enough to offset the accelerated signing bonus cap hit so that the cap hit is close to zero. I'm to work now so I'll do some digging this evening and continue this debate then. I like the debate though.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:23 AM
I'm guessing you are satisfied that our younger players on the OL will be able to step in and fill Roaf's and Sheilds' shoes. I agree to an extent but I'm a little worried about the LT position. Roaf is a HOF'r and, IMO, there's a big dropoff after him.
While I'd love to have Ahmad Brooks, due to me being a big UVA fan, I don't think he's coming out this year. He's a true sophomore that's 3 years beyond his HS graduation so he's eligible but I think he might stay around UVA one more year in hopes of finishing a little higher in the rankings next season. This is all just my speculation.
I see your draft as a little short sighted. We definitly need to improve the defense but I don't think we should count on any rookies to make significant contributions in their first year. We should focus on BAA regardless of position for our higher draft picks. IMO, we put ourselves at a disadvantage when we draft for need.

Good points...let me address:

1) No, I'm nervous about the OL, especially LT. But if Roaf and Shields do come back, I think we have to roll the dice there this offseason. The defense and WR needs are too great.

2) I'd really be only counting on the 1st 2 picks as having an impact on the D next year: Brooks and Rogers. While they fill need positions, they are very good players. We draft high enough to get 2 playmakers out of the draft. After that I've taken a QB for the future, a 3rd RB, a backup FB, a DE coming off injury (you know about Canty than I do) who could be good in the future and a project CB.

3) Brooks has a shot at a top 10 draft pick. I think there is a very good chance he comes out.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:26 AM
Based on what?

As far as getting caught from behind, that's the ONLY time this year, he's had plenty of other long gainers where he DIDN'T get caught from behind.

Both of them will start next year, so you might as well get used to it.

The others he wasn't in position to get caught from behind. They were different types of plays. NE - Trent kept the safety off of him, Denver - I think he fell down making the catch, but I believe that was Trent's fault and Oak - poor tackling reminiscent of our secondary and LBs.

I won't get used to it until it happens. Until then I'll still yell and scream for their replacement. If they are back, I'll root for them and defend them tooth and nail to other teams fans. That being said, my opinion is that they need to be replaced.

Chiefnj
12-09-2004, 07:29 AM
My offseason plan as of today.

Resign Fujita.
Move Battle to FS.

Free Agents
Dream FA - Julian Peterson (if healthy).

More realistic approach

LB - Hartwell (fallback is Calmus if healthy).
CB - Hope that Lucas or Smoot aren't tagged.
SS - Donovan Darius. (All teams need veteran leadership and it doesn't get much better than this guy.)

Draft
Round 1: I'm going with Michigan or Georgia. Braylon Edwards, Marlin Jackson or David Pollack.

Frosty
12-09-2004, 07:29 AM
I doubt Walters will be there in 3rd. It's a weak QB class and I think someone will take him in the second.

I will throw a name out there - Derek Anderson. The QB from my alma mater is third all time in passing and touchdowns in PAC-10 history. He's got a cannon for an arm but has been a little erratic. He has gotten progressively better each year and I think a couple years on the bench behind Green would do a world of good.

He should be available in the early 5th. This would free up that 3rd for a player that could help sooner.

Also, no way do they draft two running backs. If they want to replace Blaylock, they can resign that kid Jonathon Smith from Washington State that they had in camp last year. DV liked him, but he had no shot of making the squad with Holmes, LJ and Blaylock. Black has similar skills to Blaylock (quick, good receiver) but needs seasoning.

nmt1
12-09-2004, 07:46 AM
Good points...let me address:

1) No, I'm nervous about the OL, especially LT. But if Roaf and Shields do come back, I think we have to roll the dice there this offseason. The defense and WR needs are too great.

2) I'd really be only counting on the 1st 2 picks as having an impact on the D next year: Brooks and Rogers. While they fill need positions, they are very good players. We draft high enough to get 2 playmakers out of the draft. After that I've taken a QB for the future, a 3rd RB, a backup FB, a DE coming off injury (you know about Canty than I do) who could be good in the future and a project CB.

3) Brooks has a shot at a top 10 draft pick. I think there is a very good chance he comes out.

I see where you're coming from.
1)True Roaf and Shields are back so we can roll the dice but I'd like to have someone on the roster for a year with those two guys before having to stick him in there cold. We could have that luxury if we picked someone in this upcoming draft. Whether or not that's realistic is another topic for debate I guess.

2)I can understand wanting to count on your first two picks to contribute right away but too many things can happen to keep your high picks off the field. I also believe that the draft is too big a crap shoot to depend on that as well. It's too big a gamble IMO. Honestly, I'm glad I'm not an NFL coach or GM. I'm probably too conservative.

3)You could be right about Brooks. There's been no news locally about him and his draft status next year. Most likely, it's because, technically, the season isn't over. My thoughts are only speculation on my part.

Canty could be good. I'm really disappointed that he missed most of this season.

el borracho
12-09-2004, 10:43 AM
Well, I wouldn't cry if the Chiefs used your plan, but I think some of it is too chaotic. For example: all 3 starting LBs are new (to the Chiefs) and both starting WRs are new (to the Chiefs). Not good, IMO, as it does take some time to learn a new system/ establish continuity as a team. I also would not be very excited about using the #3 pick on a QB (I wouldn't mind one later in the draft) or taking two RBs in the draft.

If the Chiefs sign a LB and a DE in free-agency I would like the #1 pick to be either WR or CB (my wish list in order of preference is: DE, LB, WR, CB).

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 11:14 AM
FA's are overrated ... all they do is cause money and problems, too much risk.

gunther can turn this around... have faith


the main thing to do is keep our own players.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:13 PM
I doubt Walters will be there in 3rd. It's a weak QB class and I think someone will take him in the second.

I will throw a name out there - Derek Anderson. The QB from my alma mater is third all time in passing and touchdowns in PAC-10 history. He's got a cannon for an arm but has been a little erratic. He has gotten progressively better each year and I think a couple years on the bench behind Green would do a world of good.

He should be available in the early 5th. This would free up that 3rd for a player that could help sooner.

Also, no way do they draft two running backs. If they want to replace Blaylock, they can resign that kid Jonathon Smith from Washington State that they had in camp last year. DV liked him, but he had no shot of making the squad with Holmes, LJ and Blaylock. Black has similar skills to Blaylock (quick, good receiver) but needs seasoning.

This is one ranking of QBs from NFLDraftCountdown:


1. Aaron Rodgers, California *
2. Matt Leinart, USC *
3. Kyle Orton, Purdue
4. Charlie Frye, Akron
5. Alex Smith, Utah *
6. Andrew Walter, Arizona St.
7. Dan Orlovsky, Connecticut
8. Jason Campbell, Auburn
9. David Greene, Georgia
10. Gino Guidugli, Cincinnati
11. Derek Anderson, Oregon St.

If Walter is the 6th QB taken, he'll likely be there in the 3rd.

As for RB, our offense doesn't really use change of pace backs. We use guys who can the carry the load. In the NFL today, where injuries are frequent, you really need 3 good RBs. Look at Carolina. Look at us. I don't think a rookie free agent pickup is one to count on. I'd rather have this Fason Kid. We also have to think down the road in case LJ doesn't resign: Here's a bio on Fason:

Strengths: Good size...Excellent speed...Great receiver out of the backfield...Durable and has never missed a game due to injury...Really had a breakout season in '04 rushing for 1,000+ yards...Still has a lot of upside and his best football is still probably ahead of him.
Weaknesses: Was a bit of an underachiever up until his junior season...Needs to work on the mastering the nuances of the position, especially blocking...Not a finished product by any means and any team who drafts him will be basing the pick more on potential than anything else.
Notes: Was a top prep recruit coming out of high school who many considered the top running back in the country...Married with two children which could influence him to leave early, although his wife has said that she would like him to earn his degree...Has the physical tools you look for.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:16 PM
Well, I wouldn't cry if the Chiefs used your plan, but I think some of it is too chaotic. For example: all 3 starting LBs are new (to the Chiefs) and both starting WRs are new (to the Chiefs). Not good, IMO, as it does take some time to learn a new system/ establish continuity as a team. I also would not be very excited about using the #3 pick on a QB (I wouldn't mind one later in the draft) or taking two RBs in the draft.

If the Chiefs sign a LB and a DE in free-agency I would like the #1 pick to be either WR or CB (my wish list in order of preference is: DE, LB, WR, CB).

Given the performance of our defense over the past 3 years, a chaotic upheaval is necessary. The WRs may be a problem, a change must be made.

Alphaman
12-09-2004, 07:24 PM
I see where you're coming from.
1)True Roaf and Shields are back so we can roll the dice but I'd like to have someone on the roster for a year with those two guys before having to stick him in there cold. We could have that luxury if we picked someone in this upcoming draft. Whether or not that's realistic is another topic for debate I guess.


Don't forget about the PT Jordan Black is getting right now or the high praise thrown towards Kelvin Samson.

Logical
12-09-2004, 08:38 PM
I have to admit, though, the Arizona St. QB pick is interesting...I could agree with that.

I would agree but I have heard his injury may be career threatening. A third round pick seems early based on that risk if it is true.

Logical
12-09-2004, 08:42 PM
Cut 7 starters and sign 6 FA's....LOL, dude, prepare to be severly disappointed.

If KC signs 3 FA's, I'll be seriously shocked.I am sure you are correct, but I would be happy if they just cut Holliday, Hicks, McCleon one of the WRs (preferably Morton) and whoever Gun feels is the worst defensive back (they are all so bad I cannot pick one).

Alphaman
12-11-2004, 12:53 PM
I would agree but I have heard his injury may be career threatening. A third round pick seems early based on that risk if it is true.

He's going to have surgery and will likely miss all of the pre draft workouts, so you are probably right. That being said, the kid is talented and would be worth the risk of getting him. I wouldn't wait too long to draft him. I'm thinking we won't have a 4th so if we get a 3rd for Tait or a 4th for Tait, then I'd take him with that pick.

A comp 3rd rounder is right before the 4th. I'm not so sure he makes it to the 5th. I could easily see a team that takes a long term view like the Patriots taking him in the 4th. We have the luxury regarding a rookie QB that he can be #3 for 2 years or so, before having to produce. If we take him at that pick and then IR him for a year, it's a sound investment for the future. Getting an immediate contributer at that spot is unlikely anyway. Look at the benefits the Bills are getting for investing in McGahee in the 1st.

Report: ASU QB to undergo surgery... Although there still has been no official announceent, but sources at Arizona are saying the star QB Andrew Walter has opted to undergo surgery to repair his injured shoulder and will have the operation next week. Walter, a top prospect for the 2005 draft, separated his shoulder late in the Sun Devils' season finale. Walter had considered letting the injury heal by itself, however, the surgical option offers a better long-term prognosis for his pro career. However, if he does ultimately have the surgery, Walter will almost certainly miss the pre-draft workout phase leading up to next April's draft.

whoman69
12-11-2004, 04:30 PM
This is the time of year I dread the most. Not only are the Chiefs out of it but I have to worry about Voyager coming back.

royr17
12-11-2004, 04:51 PM
In my mind, we must overhaul the defense and the starting WRs. Our LBs are soft, poor tacklers and don't display good football instincts. Our WRs are aging and project to provide less production next year. I think you have to move them before the decline, not after. I think there are some 2nd tier FAs that can be signed this year along with a strong draft to overhaul the defense as well as the WR corp.

As I see it, the following guys need to be cut: Barber, McCleon, Holliday, Kennison, Morton. I'd add Hicks and Woods to that list, but since they just signed new deals last year, I'd try and do it after June 1st.

I'd move Fujita and Mitchell to back up roles.

Free agents: Gary Baxter, Ed Hartwell, Kendrell Bell, Darren Howard, Jerry Porter and David Terrell. These guys will get good contracts but not cap busting deals (Baxter, Porter and Howard will be the biggest).

Draft: I'm assuming we get to keep the 3rd and send Philly the 4th. I'm also assuming we a 4th round comp pick for Tait. Finally, I'm assuming we draft 9th. We have 2 extra 5th round picks, 1 from Detroit (moved up in the draft last year) and 1 from GB (Truluck). I've only done through the 5th round. After that, you are talking about long shots.

*Round 1) Ahmad Brooks - LB - Virginia
*Round 2) Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn
*Round 3) Andrew Walters - QB - Arizona State - Good draft to get a potential QBOTF. Trent and Collins are both getting older.
*Round 4) Chris Canty - DE - Virginia - 2nd round talent falls in the draft due to season ending injury
*Round 5) Ciatric Fason - RB - Florida - Need a 3rd RB, Blaylock is not resigned due to LJs performance/contract and the cap
*Round 5) Ronald Bartell - CB - Howard - Raw with tons of potential
*Round 5) Manuel White - FB - UCLA - Need a backup to T-Rich to sit on the practice squad. Kris Wilson will be the backup FB and 3rd TE, allowing us to carry 6 WRs.

Finally, I would move Julian Battle to Free Safety. While he struggles as a CB is he is a very good athlete. Jerome Woods started off as a CB and became a very good free safety. Unfortunately he's not performing at that level anymore. Pile has shown good tackling skills, so I'd have Battle and Pile compete for the starting spot.

Many will say we can't sign 6 guys with the cap. We are currently $3M to $5M below this years cap. I can't see next year being much different, but let's say we are right at next season's cap. Cutting Holliday saves $5M against the cap. McCleon, Barber, Kennison and Morton's salaries next year that are counting against the cap are large enough to offset the accelerated signing bonus. But to be conservative let's say they cost us $2M of dead cap space. We are still $3M ahead. Holmes, Green, Warfield, and Gonzo all have contracts that can easily be restructured. I think we could easily get $1.5M in cap room from each of them. Note, restructuring is not a pay cut, it's a signing bonus and an extension. Hurts the cap later, but helps it now. That's an additional $6M. So conservatively we'd have $9M in cap space. If those 6 guys total $35M in signing bonuses averaging 7 year contracts, thats a $5M hit. First year salaries on those deals will be in the $500K range, so that's $3M more. We'd still have $1M under the cap. We'd likely have to restructure a couple of more deals (Shields, Roaf, Hall) to sign the rookies, but that's not difficult. I've tried to be conservative with the numbers.

OK...blast away, but be gentle.

Id keep Fujita as a starter and move Mitchell to backup role, Fujita is a servicable linebacker, as far as Jerry Porter goes NO F*CKING WAY, he is a problem child, Kendrell Bell would be alright but the guy is injury prone too, Darren Howard would be ok, I wouldnt mind seeing Howard, Bell, and another WR but not Porter or Terrell.

Alphaman
12-11-2004, 04:58 PM
Id keep Fujita as a starter and move Mitchell to backup role, Fujita is a servicable linebacker, as far as Jerry Porter goes NO F*CKING WAY, he is a problem child, Kendrell Bell would be alright but the guy is injury prone too, Darren Howard would be ok, I wouldnt mind seeing Howard, Bell, and another WR but not Porter or Terrell.

We are each entitled to our opinion. Some questions on yours:

1) Can you give some specifics on Porter being a problem child?

2) Why would you be satisfied with a servicable linebacker? Servicable to me means a quality backup. Give me Bell, Hartwell and Derrick Johnson or Ahmad Brooks as our starters and you'll immediately see a defense that is physical, tackles well and gets to the ball.

royr17
12-11-2004, 05:02 PM
We are each entitled to our opinion. Some questions on yours:

1) Can you give some specifics on Porter being a problem child?

2) Why would you be satisfied with a servicable linebacker? Servicable to me means a quality backup. Give me Bell, Hartwell and Derrick Johnson or Ahmad Brooks as our starters and you'll immediately see a defense that is physical, tackles well and gets to the ball.

Porter has a big mouth and runs it too much, he tries to start things on the field, he has a injury history, there are other things too, he's a ex-raider.

The reason I want Fujita is because i like the guy as a player, he has speed and flys to the ball and makes the tackle, if there is ever anyone on this defense that makes tackles its him.

I would be satisfied with Johnson or Brooks, Bell or Hartwell, and Fujita. I just dont want anybody on the team that is a problem child and has a injury problem too.

Alphaman
12-11-2004, 09:35 PM
Porter has a big mouth and runs it too much, he tries to start things on the field, he has a injury history, there are other things too, he's a ex-raider.

The reason I want Fujita is because i like the guy as a player, he has speed and flys to the ball and makes the tackle, if there is ever anyone on this defense that makes tackles its him.

I would be satisfied with Johnson or Brooks, Bell or Hartwell, and Fujita. I just dont want anybody on the team that is a problem child and has a injury problem too.

We'll have to agree to disagree. This team needs somebody with a little bravado. Yes he was injured in the past, but if that were a criteria, we would have never gotten, Holmes, Green or Roaf (all probowlers with the Chiefs and post injury).

I don't see Fujita flying to the ball and I don't see him as a solid tackler. I see him as soft, a poor tackler and lacking football instincts (like Barber). I think he will remain the starter, but if I were GM or coach he'd be fighting to keep that spot. It certainly would not be guaranteed. Nobody on this defense has earned a guaranteed starting role next year except Dalton and Allen.

beavis
12-12-2004, 12:32 AM
I have to admit, though, the Arizona St. QB pick is interesting...I could agree with that.
It caught my eye as well. I haven't seen many mock drafts yet. Would he even be available in the third round?

beavis
12-12-2004, 12:34 AM
FA's are overrated ... all they do is cause money and problems, too much risk.

gunther can turn this around... have faith


the main thing to do is keep our own players.
:Lin:

Alphaman
12-12-2004, 03:59 PM
It caught my eye as well. I haven't seen many mock drafts yet. Would he even be available in the third round?

He is going to have surgery on his shoulder (an injury that ended his season). He won't take part in the pre draft workouts. It is likely that he will go lower than the 4th. However, I wouldn't wait until the 5th for him.

el borracho
12-12-2004, 04:05 PM
We are each entitled to our opinion. Some questions on yours:

1) Can you give some specifics on Porter being a problem child?
Haven't you noticed lately that Porter has changed quite a bit and is acting like a troll ? Whats up with that, before than he you used to be someone that never acted like goatcheese.

Now Porter and goatcheese are best buddies and is acting more and more like a troll each day, you can set there and tell Porter something and Porter tries to set there and argue with you.

It seems like Porter thinks that he has all the class in the world, Porter what the hell ever happened to you ? Whatever it is change it and quit being friends with that goatcheese before he ruins you.

HolmeZz
12-12-2004, 04:20 PM
I'd rather have one of these drafts:

1. Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
2. Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
3. Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
4. Alex Smith, QB, Utah

1. Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
2. Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee
3. Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
4. Alex Smith, QB, Utah

milkman
12-12-2004, 05:05 PM
My offseason plan:
Dream wistfully of the day that Dick and Carl pack it in.
Oh, wait, I'm already doing that!

Alphaman
12-12-2004, 05:07 PM
I'd rather have one of these drafts:

1. Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
2. Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
3. Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
4. Alex Smith, QB, Utah

1. Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
2. Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee
3. Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
4. Alex Smith, QB, Utah

Those are good drafts. Clearly we have the same thought process...LB/CB in the 1st and 2nd and draft a talented QB to groom to take over. I'm hoping for 2 WRs in free agency so that we don't have to depend on a rookie WR.

Chris Meck
12-13-2004, 09:02 AM
The likelihood at WR is we'll get ONE. We'll have Boerigter returning, and we drafted a couple this past season; it's a complicated offense, so I don't blame them for not cracking the line-up this season. Morton and Kennison have played well, for the most part, so that's why we haven't seen Smith, for example.

Horn is sort of Morton clone anyway, in style of play, and I like him quite a bit for all the stuff Morton doesn't do-like catch everything he gets his hands on.

The Wilson wrinkle (dangerous double TE sets, anyone?) was derailed due to injury, but look for that to appear next season.

Roaf and Shields ARE getting up there, but are still the strength of the team; if we're re-loading here, we're starting over.

We're in damned good shape at RB, even if we let Blaylock go-which we probably will. I have no problems with Priest and LJ to carry the load. Thunder and lightning (with more lightning than thunder) and we should be in good shape in the running game.

This offseason should be almost entirely about upgrading the defense.

Chris

htismaqe
12-13-2004, 09:07 AM
My offseason plan as of today.

Resign Fujita.
Move Battle to FS.

Free Agents
Dream FA - Julian Peterson (if healthy).

More realistic approach

LB - Hartwell (fallback is Calmus if healthy).
CB - Hope that Lucas or Smoot aren't tagged.
SS - Donovan Darius. (All teams need veteran leadership and it doesn't get much better than this guy.)

Draft
Round 1: I'm going with Michigan or Georgia. Braylon Edwards, Marlin Jackson or David Pollack.

Now that's a real plan. And it's realistic to boot...

HC_Chief
12-13-2004, 09:09 AM
Sounds good to me! :thumb:

Porter would be awesome in this offense (lord knows he's rotting away in that mindless Jimmy Raye scheme).

Replace the entire LB corps, add a CB and a LDE that can consistently apply pressure and we're gtg