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KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 01:44 PM
Wizards.

Dumb. :banghead: :cuss:

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 01:44 PM
Um, okay.

big nasty kcnut
12-09-2004, 01:45 PM
Good just work on the football stuff you know better draft picks and stuff like that.

Bwana
12-09-2004, 01:46 PM
WTF?

Saulbadguy
12-09-2004, 01:47 PM
Psicosis will be livid.

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-09-2004, 01:48 PM
I didn't even know he owned the Washington Wizards....

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 01:48 PM
FRED SMITH PICK UP THE PHONE FRESD SMITH PICK UP THE ****ING PHONE

Logical
12-09-2004, 01:48 PM
I am actually shocked. I would have swore that soccer was their first love.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 01:48 PM
To me I just don't think this is a good move for KC for some reason.

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 01:49 PM
He sells his WINNING team.. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 01:51 PM
Lamar's shorter than I thought he was:

<img src="http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2004/12/08/epRDZD2R.jpg" style="width: 425px; height: 275px; border: 0" alt="" />

ptlyon
12-09-2004, 01:52 PM
I never liked those clowns messing up the turf anyways...

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 01:52 PM
He sells his WINNING team.. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

surprised??


he's got a press conference going on now and the basic thing i'm getting from it is...

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon. And since without a soccer specific stadium the wizards can't be profitable.

no profits, no me


time to sell...


profits > winning in the world according to lamar hunt




this just be absolutely no surprise to anyone with a functioning brain.

BigRedChief
12-09-2004, 01:55 PM
I never liked those clowns messing up the turf anyways...

Yep, ticked me off too seeing those lines on my football field. mior crap for sure but irritating none the less.

kansas hawk
12-09-2004, 01:56 PM
hunt does care about winning. all he is worring about is that damn stadium.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 01:58 PM
he's got a press conference going on now and the basic thing i'm getting from it is...

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon. And since without a soccer specific stadium the wizards can't be profitable.

Huh? I must've not heard about the soccer stadium line item of BSII.

Course, why would he ask for tax dollars for a soccer stadium? He bankrolled the Columbus stadium himself. Only cost like 25 Mil.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 01:58 PM
From MLSnet.com:

Market watch: Hunt to sell Wizards
The Kansas City Wizards investor-operator Lamar Hunt announced Thursday that he will immediately begin a search for a buyer for his club. Hunt would like a local investor with plans for a soccer-specific stadium. Listen LIVE as Hunt addresses the local media.

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 02:00 PM
profits > winning in the world according to lamar hunt

this just be absolutely no surprise to anyone with a functioning brain.

I wouldnt talk like that about the season ticket holders...

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:01 PM
12/09/2004 3:21PM
Statement from Wizards owner Lamar Hunt
Kansas City Wizards Media Relations
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- "With the completion of the ninth season of Major League Soccer (and the Kansas City Wizards), it is appropriate to evaluate the status of the sport specifically as it relates to the team in Kansas City.

"It is my belief that the success of MLS teams and the sport itself will be dependant on and linked closely to the development of appropriate playing facilities, which have over time come to be referred to as "soccer specific stadiums". These stadiums are generally properly sized both as to capacity and field configuration, and probably most importantly provide freedom of scheduling and revenue potential. The reasons for this are therefore both artistic and financial. The positive impact on success for MLS teams now playing in those types of facilities has proven to be significant.

"Next season will see the opening of the third MLS soccer specific stadium - the one under construction for FC Dallas in the North Dallas suburb of Frisco. By the 2007 season, at least 8 of the 12 MLS teams will be playing in soccer specific stadiums in which scheduling, sponsorship rights and stadium related revenue streams will accrue to the benefit of those teams. The MLS has concluded that most, if not all, new teams to be added to the league will logically require such stadium facilities. This is no major surprise because teams in the more established sports of football, baseball, basketball and hockey have all reached the same basic policy conclusion relative to their sports.

"Relating to Kansas City - it is my belief that it will similarly not be feasible for the Wizards to succeed without such a facility. I must confess that I did not fully recognize this as a primary need when the league started.

"The recent failure of the Bi-State II Referendum which would have provided partial funding for the modernization of Arrowhead has put clearly into focus where the Hunt family priorities need to be and that is to resolve our Chiefs stadium issues in order to assure the long range competitive success of the Chiefs in Mid-America. For that reason, we have reluctantly decided that it is appropriate that we put the Kansas City Wizards up for sale. Such a sale would provide a first priority to a buyer from this metropolitan area and most importantly will, I feel, need to include a doable plan for a soccer specific stadium. Such a sale, when accomplished, will follow the MLS' long range goal to help better focus team management on a traditional one-team-per-one-ownership-group pattern.

"In the event a buyer in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area does not come forward, we will of necessity also look elsewhere for a solution. The MLS has recently expanded from 10 to 12 teams and there is a time urgency to this subject because the playing schedule for the 2005 season can be expected to be complete during December.

"There is little doubt that the MLS is on its way to becoming a successful sports league. Many communities across America are interested in having an MLS team and it is probable that the MLS will be expanding by another two teams by the 2007 season. Over time, as other communities develop appropriate playing facilities, the league will further expand its national footprint much as have the four more established team sports.

"We do not have a specific "timeline" for the accomplishment of our goals relative to the Wizards, however, I sense that this will be a fast moving subject. The Wizards have already begun their season ticket renewal process and have already received deposits for renewals from 50% of their 2004 ticket accounts. We appreciate the hardcore group of fans who support the organization and feel that group can be expected to grow because of the recently completed season in which the Wizards tied for the best regular season record in the MLS, won the U.S. Open Cup and finished as runner-up in the MLS Cup Championship Game.

"So that we may provide an appropriate voice on the matter, I would ask that I be the sole contact person with the Wizards organization relative to this subject. I am open to any media questions today, but will say in advance that I will not speculate regarding the "timeline" for this process. Other than answering questions today, I do not anticipate answering other inquiries on this subject until the process is complete."

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:01 PM
Huh? I must've not heard about the soccer stadium line item of BSII.

Course, why would he ask for tax dollars for a soccer stadium? He bankrolled the Columbus stadium himself. Only cost like 25 Mil.

i don't think there was a line in BSII about soccer...

but he said that "because of the recent voting down of BSII we have to evaluate ... blah,blah,blah"


because saying that it has some part to play in the decision to sell the wizards.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:02 PM
Keitz is saying this is a telling point. Saying that if he is doing this then he prob might move the Chiefs.

In a way I do agree.

This is not good.

Why doesn't Hunt bankroll the stadium himself. If he wants one bad enough.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:02 PM
In the event a buyer in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area does not come forward, we will of necessity also look elsewhere for a solution.FRED SMITH PICK UP THE PHONE FRED SMITH PICK UP THE ****ING PHONE

|Zach|
12-09-2004, 02:03 PM
To me I just don't think this is a good move for KC for some reason.
Based on...

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 02:03 PM
surprised??


he's got a press conference going on now and the basic thing i'm getting from it is...

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon. And since without a soccer specific stadium the wizards can't be profitable.

no profits, no me


time to sell...


profits > winning in the world according to lamar hunt




this just be absolutely no surprise to anyone with a functioning brain.


No I'm not surprised...I think the guy is turning into a greedy b*stard who is only worried about seeing his name on a stadium and does not give a freakin hoot about the product on the field.

I think this is the opening salvo to them starting to drop hints about the Chiefs bolting as well...mark my words.

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 02:04 PM
Keitz is saying this is a telling point. Saying that if he is doing this then he prob might move the Chiefs.

Probably the only thing that would make me stop following the Chiefs as a fan and I think it would destory this community as well.

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:04 PM
I wouldnt talk like that about the season ticket holders...

Man I miss the search function. I am somewhat sure I have heard even you say that the club (Lamar) values the seats being full over winning a championship.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:04 PM
Keitz is saying this is a telling point. Saying that if he is doing this then he prob might move the Chiefs.

In a way I do agree.

This is not good.

Why doesn't Hunt bankroll the stadium himself. If he wants one bad enough.

because that wouldn't be financially expedient

|Zach|
12-09-2004, 02:04 PM
I think this is the opening salvo to them starting to drop hints about the Chiefs bolting as well...mark my words.
That does not work with you.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:04 PM
Well... lazarus twisted his comments pretty good there.

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 02:05 PM
That does not work with you.

haha.
ROFL

Count Zarth
12-09-2004, 02:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, who is the Wizards general manager?

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:06 PM
No I'm not surprised...I think the guy is turning into a greedy b*stard who is only worried about seeing his name on a stadium and does not give a freakin hoot about the product on the field.

I think this is the opening salvo to them starting to drop hints about the Chiefs bolting as well...mark my words.

Oh it is coming, I am sure the front office has lawyers scouring the lease for a legitimate lease breaker as we post.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:06 PM
Well... lazarus twisted his comments pretty good there.

not

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:07 PM
because that wouldn't be financially expedient


I do believe he bankrolled the stadium in Columbus.

Saulbadguy
12-09-2004, 02:08 PM
Maybe he can just disband the team.

Do you think any of those soccer players can kick? Punt? Play CB?

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 02:08 PM
Oh it is coming, I am sure the front office has lawyers scouring the lease for a legitimate lease breaker as we post.

I USED to really respect the guy but no longer...

he has just buried his head in the sand and counted his moolah a bit too long for my taste when it comes to his American football team. Now this stunt with his SUCCESSFUL franchise. :banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

Iowanian
12-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Good.

No more friggin soccer lines on my Football Field.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Based on...


I just have this feeling.

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Well... lazarus twisted his comments pretty good there.

whatta shock...

shakesthecat
12-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Kansas City is imploding.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:10 PM
Now this stunt with his SUCCESSFUL francise

depends on what you consider "successful"


the chiefs are much more financially successful then the wizards have ever been.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:10 PM
I do believe he bankrolled the stadium in Columbus.$28.5 mil, back in 1999 dollars. HSG also footed around half of the bill for the new $65,000,000 FC Dallas -- ne Burn -- stadium in Frisco (TX). He's keeping those two teams, and dumping the one that isn't getting a SSS.

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 02:13 PM
depends on what you consider "successful"


the chiefs are much more financially successful then the wizards have ever been.


Winning is a nice start...

:hmmm:

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:14 PM
not
Whatever, dude.

My initial reaction to your post describing his comments was, "Huh? That doesn't make any f*cking sense." Then I read the text of his comments and, of course, what you posted and what he said are two different things.

There's no need to even enter into debate about it. The text is right there for anyone to read who may be interested in his real line of reasoning.

Frankie
12-09-2004, 02:15 PM
Lamar's shorter than I thought he was:

<img src="http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2004/12/08/epRDZD2R.jpg" style="width: 425px; height: 275px; border: 0" alt="" />

That #23 in the front.... Is that Trent? :hmmm:

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:16 PM
That #23 in the front.... Is that Trent? :hmmm:
I suppose we all just look alike to you, huh?

ptlyon
12-09-2004, 02:17 PM
Winning is a nice start...

:hmmm:

They won last year - everybody knows that we are on our down year right on schedule.

Bearcat
12-09-2004, 02:17 PM
So.... I skimmed through the statement... does he ever pin down the reason why Arrowhead is bad for the Wizards?

I don't see how too many seats is a bad thing. I don't see what they do to Arrowhead to make it a huge inconvenience. And I certainly don't see how the flexibility of being able to schedule your games at the same time the NFL is on would be a good thing.

:shrug:

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:20 PM
I don't see how too many seats is a bad thing. Aside from killing the atmosphere and making crowds of even 30,000 feel like little league baseball games, thereby sapping the casual fan's will to go even further...

stevieray
12-09-2004, 02:20 PM
I think he's sending the measage that if he can sell the Wizards, he can sell the Chiefs.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:21 PM
I suppose we all just look alike to you, huh?ROFL

Alex Zotinca.

At least Jack Jewsbury isn't in the picture. The guy looks like a fuggin' tall midget. He's like Wee Man, but stretched.

<img src="http://kc.wizards.mlsnet.com/imgs/bios/photos/jewsbury_jack.jpg" style="width: 405px; height: 250px; border: 0" alt="" />

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:22 PM
I think he's sending the measage that if he can sell the Wizards, he can sell the Chiefs.

yep

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:22 PM
It is my belief that the success of MLS teams and the sport itself will be dependant on and linked closely to the development of appropriate playing facilities, which have over time come to be referred to as "soccer specific stadiums". These stadiums are generally properly sized both as to capacity and field configuration, and probably most importantly provide freedom of scheduling and revenue potential. The reasons for this are therefore both artistic and financial. The positive impact on success for MLS teams now playing in those types of facilities has proven to be significant.

Puting it all together:

It is my belief that the success of MLS teams most importantly provide revenue potential. The reasons are financial.

It is only a slight stretch to obtain Laz's take on Hunt's words Brian.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:23 PM
$28.5 mil, back in 1999 dollars. HSG also footed around half of the bill for the new $65,000,000 FC Dallas -- ne Burn -- stadium in Frisco (TX). He's keeping those two teams, and dumping the one that isn't getting a SSS.


It amazes me that a town that is loyal to him that he is doing this. IF he did those two stadiums then he can do it here.

Whats the difference?

He had to get SSS in those two towns why not here? He paid for it there he can do the same here

Skip Towne
12-09-2004, 02:23 PM
I think his fairy ass soccer team is losing money and he wants to bail out of a bad deal. Blaming KC is just a convenient way to do it.

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:24 PM
I think he's sending the measage that if he can sell the Wizards, he can sell the Chiefs.Holy cow when an optimist can see the dark clouds we should all be worrying.

Frankie
12-09-2004, 02:24 PM
I suppose we all just look alike to you, huh?
ROFL ROFL rep.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:25 PM
Puting it all together:

It is my belief that the success of MLS teams most importantly provide revenue potential. The reasons are financial.

It is only a slight stretch to obtain Laz's take on Hunt's words Brian.
To say that he prefers a SSS for the Wizards for financial reasons is a no brainer. How laz related that to BSII is where it got completely f*cked.

Frankie
12-09-2004, 02:26 PM
Aside from killing the atmosphere and making crowds of even 30,000 feel like little league baseball games, thereby sapping the casual fan's will to go even further...
Excellent point.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:28 PM
Puting it all together:

It is my belief that the success of MLS teams most importantly provide revenue potential. The reasons are financial.

It is only a slight stretch to obtain Laz's take on Hunt's words Brian.

i dont see any stretch at all


my original post:
the basic thing i'm getting from it is...

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon. And since without a soccer specific stadium the wizards can't be profitable.

no profits, no me

time to sell...


now where did i stretch or twist?

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:29 PM
It amazes me that a town that is loyal to him that he is doing this. IF he did those two stadiums then he can do it here.

Whats the difference?

He had to get SSS in those two towns why not here? He paid for it there he can do the same here
Good Lord, am I the only one here that knows how to read?

The recent failure of the Bi-State II Referendum which would have provided partial funding for the modernization of Arrowhead has put clearly into focus where the Hunt family priorities need to be and that is to resolve our Chiefs stadium issues

Now... if you wanna call Lamar a liar... say that's a bullshit line of reasoning... whatever. That's a discussion. But, to simply say "Why can't he build this?" and/or "Why is he depending on the taxpayers?" shows a complete lack of effort to simply listen to or read what the hell the man even said.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:31 PM
i dont see any stretch at all


my original post:



now where did i stretch or twist?

Here:

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon.

What he said was, the failure of BSII was a clear indicator that his focus needs to be resolving the Chiefs stadium issues at this time.

I can't believe I'm having to type this out. The words are right there on the damned screen.

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:32 PM
i dont see any stretch at all


my original post:



now where did i stretch or twist?
Laz I was defending you, the slight stretch is the Bi-state II inference. I agree it is there but it is definitely something you have to infer.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:32 PM
At least they're not retarded like Bob Kraft (Revs "owner") and the Revs/Pats combined marketing staff, who decided to sell tickets on only one side and one end zone of the Razor. Nothing fosters a great atmosphere like looking at a completely empty side opposite you.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:34 PM
Good Lord, am I the only one here that knows how to read?



Now... if you wanna call Lamar a liar... say that's a bullshit line of reasoning... whatever. That's a discussion. But, to simply say "Why can't he build this?" and/or "Why is he depending on the taxpayers?" shows a complete lack of effort to simply listen to or read what the hell the man even said.


I think he is bullshitting us. See the thing is he owns the Fire and part of the team in Dallas. He bankrolled both stadiums.

I did listen to him and read what he said.

KCTitus
12-09-2004, 02:35 PM
I can't believe I'm having to type this out. The words are right there on the damned screen.

Boy, do I empathize...

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:35 PM
Good Lord, am I the only one here that knows how to read?



Now... if you wanna call Lamar a liar... say that's a bullshit line of reasoning... whatever. That's a discussion. But, to simply say "Why can't he build this?" and/or "Why is he depending on the taxpayers?" shows a complete lack of effort to simply listen to or read what the hell the man even said.

This is not really worth arguing over. But I believe Laz summarized from hearing the statement. (if I am wrong sorry). To get a slightly different interpretation when listening vs. what you read is not really all that unusual.

The sobering thing is the underlying threat over the stadium issue regarding the Chiefs.

Iowanian
12-09-2004, 02:36 PM
Great..........

Now he should have plenty of cash available for Offseason FA signing bonus'.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:38 PM
Laz I was defending you, the slight stretch is the Bi-state II inference. I agree it is there but it is definitely something you have to infer.

i know you were defending(appreciated :thumb: ) ... but i honestly was looking for my "stretch"

i asked you instead of someone else :spock: because i thought you were my best chance for a coherent answer.


lamar specifically made a reference to BSII in his speech ... and then specifically said that the voting down of BSII led to the discussions of the idea to sell the wizards.


i didn't make up or bring up BSII ... lamar did.


why would he bring it up if it wasn't a contributing factor?

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:39 PM
Other than maybe Psi, does anyone really care if the Wizards leave?

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:41 PM
I think he is bullshitting us.

Then address it as such. Say that placing primary focus on resolving Chiefs stadium issues and not having the cycles to dedicate to a Wizards stadium simultaneously is a ridiculous notion. Give some sort of line of reasoning for your argument that is relevant.

See the thing is he owns the Fire and part of the team in Dallas. He bankrolled both stadiums.

He wasn't in the midst of trying to get the Chiefs a new and/or renovated stadium at the time, either. If you want to make this all about the investment in a stadium, we could ignore all other aspects of planning a new stadium and/or renovation, and it stands to reason that he is stating that all large sums of cash he could set aside for stadium building/renovation at this time are going to be dedicated to the Chiefs project. It could be some years before he has the cash to invest properly in a stadium for the Wiz, and he wants an owner who is willing to act sooner.

I did listen to him and read what he said.

You're sure not showing it. You're at least exhibiting a lack of comprehension skills.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:41 PM
The sobering thing is the underlying threat over the stadium issue regarding the Chiefs.
tsk,tsk,tsk ... your "inferring" again :harumph:


o:-) o:-)

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:41 PM
i know you were defending(appreciated :thumb: ) ... but i honestly was looking for my "stretch"

i asked you instead of someone else :spock: because i thought you were my best chance for a coherent answer.


lamar specifically made a reference to BSII in his speech ... and then specifically said that the voting down of BSII led to the discussions of the idea to sell the wizards.


i didn't make up or bring up BSII ... lamar did.


why would he bring it up if it wasn't a contributing factor?

I actually agree with you. But as Brian was saying it is not directly stated, you had to infer. Nothing wrong in my opinion with your inference as it is a logical correlation.

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:42 PM
tsk,tsk,tsk ... your "inferring" again :harumph:


o:-) o:-)ROFL:thumb::clap:

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:43 PM
Other than maybe Psi, does anyone really care if the Wizards leave?


If they leave then it is just another black eye on KC. MLS is becoming bigger every year. KC is just now getting to where it needs to be. Years of frustration is finally over.

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:43 PM
Other than maybe Psi, does anyone really care if the Wizards leave?I think KingPriest is going to take a hit out on Lamar if they do.

I'm a Quakes fan, and a San Jose grassroots fan group (Soccer Silicon Valley) is going through their own hell right now trying to find an owner and a stadium site to keep them in the Bay Area (preferably San Jose or Santa Clara, but San Francisco is also an option that's been discussed). If not, they could end up in Houston or San Antonio.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:43 PM
lamar specifically made a reference to BSII in his speech ... and then specifically said that the voting down of BSII led to the discussions of the idea to sell the wizards.

What you screwed up was the connection. Read the text.

beavis
12-09-2004, 02:45 PM
Thank God. Maybe they will get the hell out of Arrowhead. I'm sick of the turf looking like a freakin' stampede just came through.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 02:45 PM
your inference as it is a logical correlation
ok ... that'll work :thumb: :thumb:



Endelts just being a picky b@stige again ... 'tis all good

John_Wayne
12-09-2004, 02:46 PM
Wizards.

Dumb. :banghead: :cuss:

GOOD!! Maybe they'll build their own stadium and get the heck off of the Arrowhead grass!!! I can't stand those stupid soccer lines on the field during Monday Night Football !!

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:46 PM
If they leave then it is just another black eye on KC. MLS is becoming bigger every year. KC is just now getting to where it needs to be. Years of frustration is finally over.

Serious question (no smaque intended) but do you work for a KC area PR team? You seem to be heavily involved in all issues that relate to promoting the cities image.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 02:49 PM
Serious question (no smaque intended) but do you work for a KC area PR team? You seem to be heavily involved in all issues that relate to promoting the cities image.

No. Just sick and tired of KC losing everything. Taking pride in where I live. Where I grew up. I want KC to be up there with all the other cities but if we are losing everything then what does that say about KC.

We lost the NCAA, Big 12. FFA. NAIA once, etc...

Bearcat
12-09-2004, 02:50 PM
Aside from killing the atmosphere and making crowds of even 30,000 feel like little league baseball games, thereby sapping the casual fan's will to go even further...


Eh... I've been to football games in Maryville, and 7,000 people is 7,000 people.... it wouldn't matter if it was a sell out or quarter full. If you pack everyone is as close to the field as possible, it doesn't matter if there's another bowl or not... As long as you're not spreading out those 7,000 people across 78,000 seats, there's not much of a difference.

The problem isn't Arrowhead, IMO. When you have 25,500 people from around the region show up for a DII football game, and 9,000 people show up for the MLS Conference Finals the night before....

alpha_omega
12-09-2004, 02:50 PM
Who's buying?

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 02:52 PM
Endelts just being a picky b@stige again ... 'tis all good

Yeah, I'm funny like that. When someone says, "Person X said 'Y'." and proceeds to build some sort of argument on the quote.. and, in fact Person X did NOT say Y, I have a tendency to point out that the base of the argument is false.

Further, despite Vlad's opinion to the contrary, it was NOT a logical inference. Hence my initial "WTF?" reaction to your post. Your post makes the implication that Hunt would want some manner of taxpayer assisted soccer stadium plan... and the failure of BSII leads him to believe that would be unlikely. When, the fact of the matter is a SSS costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than an NFL stadium, and in fact he's already bankrolled one 100%.

Logical
12-09-2004, 02:52 PM
No. Just sick and tired of KC losing everything. Taking pride in where I live. Where I grew up. I want KC to be up there with all the other cities but if we are losing everything then what does that say about KC.

We lost the NCAA, Big 12. FFA. NAIA once, etc...

My personal opinion only, but losing the Wizards will not rank up there with the others you named. Thanks for the honest answer.

|Zach|
12-09-2004, 02:53 PM
Other than maybe Psi, does anyone really care if the Wizards leave?
I love soccer...so yes.

KC Dan
12-09-2004, 02:56 PM
I love soccer...so yes.
btw, When we making that trip to Highbury?

Ghostof
12-09-2004, 02:58 PM
How many more years will it be until he sells the Chiefs?

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 02:59 PM
btw, When we making that trip to Highbury?Me want go, me want go. ROFL

|Zach|
12-09-2004, 02:59 PM
btw, When we making that trip to Highbury?
Man that would be awesome...Highbury or Stamford Bridge.

I am going to do it sometime in the nexr few years. I may study abroad in London.

Logical
12-09-2004, 03:00 PM
...

Further, despite Vlad's opinion to the contrary, it was NOT a logical inference. Hence my initial "WTF?" reaction to your post. Your post makes the implication that Hunt would want some manner of taxpayer assisted soccer stadium plan... and the failure of BSII leads him to believe that would be unlikely. When, the fact of the matter is a SSS costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than an NFL stadium, and in fact he's already bankrolled one 100%.


"Relating to Kansas City - it is my belief that it will similarly not be feasible for the Wizards to succeed without such a facility. I must confess that I did not fully recognize this as a primary need when the league started.

"The recent failure of the Bi-State II Referendum which would have provided partial funding for the modernization of Arrowhead has put clearly into focus where the Hunt family priorities need to be and that is to resolve our Chiefs stadium issues in order to assure the long range competitive success of the Chiefs in Mid-America. For that reason, we have reluctantly decided that it is appropriate that we put the Kansas City Wizards up for sale. ,,,,


Brian while I can see your side of the argument I can also read an inference when you tie those two paragraphs together.

To me it sounds like he was saying because BSII failed I have realized I will not be getting public funding for a Soccer only facility. My time is better spent finding a way to get my football stadium problems resolved. I admit I could be wrong, but that is what I read into the statement.

KingPriest2
12-09-2004, 03:00 PM
My personal opinion only, but losing the Wizards will not rank up there with the others you named. Thanks for the honest answer.


Sure thing. You are prob right it won't rank quite as high as the others but I still don't like losing something.

morphius
12-09-2004, 03:00 PM
His kids will take over the Chiefs, at least from everything I have heard.

BigRedChief
12-09-2004, 03:01 PM
never. Clark Hunt has been involved in day to day operations for the Chiefs for years. He has said on many occasions that he planned to run the franchise after Dad's passing on.

Skip Towne
12-09-2004, 03:02 PM
I think KingPriest is going to take a hit out on Lamar if they do.

I'm a Quakes fan, and a San Jose grassroots fan group (Soccer Silicon Valley) is going through their own hell right now trying to find an owner and a stadium site to keep them in the Bay Area (preferably San Jose or Santa Clara, but San Francisco is also an option that's been discussed). If not, they could end up in Houston or San Antonio.
I'd think San Francisco would be an excellent fit for a soccer team.

ENDelt260
12-09-2004, 03:03 PM
Brian while I can see your side of the argument I can also read an inference when you tie those two paragraphs together.

To me it sounds like he was saying because BSII failed I have realized I will not be getting public funding for a Soccer only facility. My time is better spent finding a way to get my football stadium problems resolved. I admit I could be wrong, but that is what I read into the statement.
Eh, fair enough.

That line of reasoning raises a WTF flag from me due to my knowledge of the Columbus stadium. I suppose if one were ignorant of the Columbus stadium, it would be a logical inference.

KCN
12-09-2004, 03:11 PM
That line of reasoning raises a WTF flag from me due to my knowledge of the Columbus stadium. I suppose if one were ignorant of the Columbus stadium, it would be a logical inference.

Explain please. I am ignorant of the Columbus stadium and I am reaching the same conclusion as Lazarus by reading between the lines.

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 03:14 PM
Other than maybe Psi, does anyone really care if the Wizards leave?

I do.

Not only because my son plays soccer but because their games provided one of the truly enjoyable events for hot KC summer evenings.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 03:16 PM
Yeah, I'm funny like that. When someone says, "Person X said 'Y'." and proceeds to build some sort of argument on the quote.. and, in fact Person X did NOT say Y, I have a tendency to point out that the base of the argument is false
really... maybe u should read my post again...


please pay (more) attention to the part in the bold

surprised??

he's got a press conference going on now and the basic thing i'm getting from it is...

you guys voted down Bi-state and that was a indicator to me that we won't get a soccer specific stadium any time soon. And since without a soccer specific stadium the wizards can't be profitable.

no profits, no me

time to sell...

profits > winning in the world according to lamar hunt

this just be absolutely no surprise to anyone with a functioning brain.
now where in my post did i say i was "quoting person X"??


i SAID "and the basic thing i'm getting from it is..."


in otherswords, IMO the basic jist of his statements ARE:


i tell you right up front that i'm giving you my opinion of his meaning... no just quoting him word for word.

that fact that you ignored,missed this part of my post is your problem, not mine.

ChiefsCountry
12-09-2004, 03:20 PM
Build a soccer stadium over in Johnson County or let them put one up at the Kansas Speedway. That would be the best situation, or try to get a combined stadium with UMKC and let them start football. That would be a winner right there.

stevieray
12-09-2004, 03:20 PM
I just don't have good feeling about this, though you could take it either way.

Just my opinion, but if he's willing to sell the Wizards because they need a stadium, and they don't generate nearly the revenue that Chiefs do....and using the failed BS tax as a reason...


:shake:

Mr. Laz
12-09-2004, 03:24 PM
I just don't have good feeling about this, though you could take it either way.

Just my opinion, but if he's willing to sell the Wizards because they need a stadium, and they don't generate nearly the revenue that Chiefs do....and using the failed BS tax as a reason...


:shake:
i agree (hope that's not an insult :) )


and that is also what i "tried" to say ... although apparently i didn't say it correctly. :sulk:

|Zach|
12-09-2004, 03:26 PM
Build a soccer stadium over in Johnson County or let them put one up at the Kansas Speedway. That would be the best situation, or try to get a combined stadium with UMKC and let them start football. That would be a winner right there.
The UMKC thing wouldnt pan out...they are looking for soccer only facilities.

Logical
12-09-2004, 03:27 PM
I do.

Not only because my son plays soccer but because their games provided one of the truly enjoyable events for hot KC summer evenings.


I am glad no one is taking that question negatively. I just was curious.

philfree
12-09-2004, 03:35 PM
I've just read a few posts here but if Hunt is selling the Wizards it tells me that as a business they were probably losing money and not able to susstain itself from the revenue it generates. Lamar has probably bankrolled it to the point to where he thinks it should be able to operate on it's own and it's not and he don't think it's going to so he's gonna sell and get what he can of his investment back. Maybe he'll show a profit and use it for some free agent signing bonuses.


PhilFree :arrow:

Ultra Peanut
12-09-2004, 03:37 PM
I've just read a few posts here but if Hunt is selling the Wizards it tells me that as a business they were probably losing money and not able to susstain itself from the revenue it generates. Lamar has probably bankrolled it to the point to where he thinks it should be able to operate on it's own and it's not and he don't think it's going to so he's gonna sell and get what he can of his investment back. Maybe he'll show a profit and use it for some free agent signing bonuses.


PhilFree :arrow:He's keeping the Columbus and Dallas franchises, both of which have their own soccer-specific stadiums. He's dumping the Wizards because he hasn't been able to get one for them.

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 03:41 PM
He's keeping the Columbus and Dallas franchises, both of which have their own soccer-specific stadiums. He's dumping the Wizards because he hasn't been able to get one for them.

And because it's a nice reminder (and not so thinly veiled threat) of what could happen if he does not get his way with a new Chiefs Stadium.

Nothing Lamar Hunt does is by accident...see King Carl.

tk13
12-09-2004, 03:44 PM
I don't know, I guess this is not surprising. I don't know if I understand how this is more of a wake-up call than Bi-State failing.... I thought before the tax was even voted on that within a few years the Chiefs are going to be getting killed in terms of revenue by all these newer stadiums, and with more signing bonuses starting to get in the 22 million range like Marvin Harrison got yesterday... making 20 some odd million a year in profit isn't going to get you as far as some of these other teams once revenue on top of more revenue starts pouring in from their new stadiums.

philfree
12-09-2004, 03:57 PM
He's keeping the Columbus and Dallas franchises, both of which have their own soccer-specific stadiums. He's dumping the Wizards because he hasn't been able to get one for them.

Could it be that those teams are generating enough revenue to stay above board because of their stadiums? :hmmm:

PhilFree :arrow:

memyselfI
12-09-2004, 03:59 PM
Could it be that those teams are generating enough revenue to stay above board because of their stadiums? :hmmm:

PhilFree :arrow:

Are you implying a man of Hunt's wealth doesn't NEED a good tax write off. :hmmm:

philfree
12-09-2004, 04:05 PM
Are you implying a man of Hunt's wealth doesn't NEED a good tax write off.


No I'm saying that Lamar is a business man and if his business is losing to much money he'll close the doors or sell it. And just allowing yourself to lose millions of dollars is not a good way to get a tax write off.


PhilFree :arrow:

Thig Lyfe
12-09-2004, 05:45 PM
Lamar's shorter than I thought he was:

<img src="http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2004/12/08/epRDZD2R.jpg" style="width: 425px; height: 275px; border: 0" alt="" />

Look at the guy in the background. He's all "YEAH! GO! NO!! NO!!!!"

Calcountry
12-09-2004, 06:48 PM
Huh? I must've not heard about the soccer stadium line item of BSII.

Course, why would he ask for tax dollars for a soccer stadium? He bankrolled the Columbus stadium himself. Only cost like 25 Mil.
Doesn't he have some silver market to corner or something?