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King James
12-10-2004, 09:14 PM
The mark of the beast, 666, a prophecy from 2000 years ago. It's a part of our culture, it's made its way into movies, books, songs, kids talk about it. How many people know that technological developments in the last 10 or 20 years are combining to make the mark of the beast a reality?
First let me start off with this question. What is the mark of the beast? It has occupied the minds of Christian Scholars ever sense it was first written down 2000 years ago. Here's one of my favorite books, it's called. (The contribution of British writers between 1560 in 1830 to the interpretation of revelation 13:16-18. Three tiny little biblical passages and 330 pages of very dense scholarly research on just about a 250 year span of time on the piece of the globe. An extremely amount of human ingenuity and time and energy trying to interpret the meaning of these passages Revelation 13, 16 through 18. Sad to say, much of this is energy wasted because it came before its time. Hundreds if not thousands of scholars, thousands of pens to paper, to try to explain it, and yet, this is the first generation to actually understand the book of Revelation.
Here it is then.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
What does this mean to have a mark that you may not buy or sell?
When I was little, my grandma and I had just got back from grocery shopping. And as we put the groceries away. She said, bedbug, sit down, I have something important I want to tell you.
"One day there will come a time you cannot buy or sell anything without a number, and it's called the mark of the beast." I'm glad she told me that because she died a year later.
She explained to me that this will be coming some point in the distant future. And as I looked across a kitchen I saw the merchandise, and I said... Grandma, even groceries? Even food? She said, especially food. That's how they're going to get people to sign up. Because if you can't buy food, you can't survive. And that's what's going to cause the masses of humanity to sign up for this thing.
Now sitting in that little kitchen, I made the decision that I would pass this on to my grandkids, and their grandkids, and some day, thousands of years later, this prophecy would come to pass, and my descendents would know not to participate in this whole scheme of the mark of the beast. And the second decision that I made was that if it did happen in my lifetime, which seemed unlikely, because there were hardly credit cards or barcodes, if there were I hadn't seen them. At that time this seemed such an outlandish thing. I made a promise that if it did happen, I would get out my Bible and read very carefully. And I would know the words in the Bible were true. One of the things I liken this to, is that if someone would have set me down and said... Someday there's going to be a big purple flower, and it will cover two thirds of the sky, and when you see that you know that the prophecy is coming to pass. Unlikeliness of that would make you pay attention.

David.
12-10-2004, 09:16 PM
uhhh

Logical
12-10-2004, 09:17 PM
What did we do to deserve this thread. Just to be clear create some paragraphs so this thing is readable.

Miles
12-10-2004, 09:17 PM
:spock:

King James
12-10-2004, 09:17 PM
About five years ago studying supermarket loyalty cards, which I started studying because I found them annoying. I didn't like the idea of somebody tracking my every purchase through a piece of plastic. It began to occur to me that by presenting the piece of plastic on my supermarket loyalty card, that I was actually presenting a number in order to buy or sell. I suppose I was diong the same thing with a credit card to make a purchase, credit cards take a number and links that number into a database which is a numbered account, and pulls the money out and no real money changes hands.
The more I began to think about that the more began to think of all the cards in my wallet, and the fact that every single one of them contained a number and everyone was linked to a database and they all involve this information moving around through computers which is all digital information and the more I thought about that, the more my grandmother's words came back to me. And I started to say maybe it's time to pay attention a little bit to these numbers they are using to make purchases to buy and sell.
What I found as I began to look into numbered systems, is a huge movement afoot across the globe to move all payments towards numerical systems. And moving them toward mark systems.
Let's see how this particular piece of prophecy is coming true in a way it couldn't in 1970's. And definitely not 2000 years ago. First thing I want to draw your attention to here is he "forced everyone." In case that wasn't clear, the author actually clarifies it for us, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, I mean literally everyone. Now 2000 years ago identifying even the boundaries of planet Earth was not possible. There was continents that did not know the existence of other continents.
There were peoples in certain places they didn't now there were other people on the other side of mountain ranges. The idea of everyone on the planet being identified was pretty far-fetched. Now days we know that we can identify everyone on the planet. Watch everyone on the planet from satellites in space. And in fact, we are on the brink of having made contact or identifying every person on the planet. National Geographic 2003 August. Had a cover called (the hidden tribes of the Amazon), and in the hidden tribes of the Amazon it was explained that only 17 tribes were left uncontacted. The article was a bit ironic because it was about an Explorer who was trying to keep the hidden tribes hidden. And as you read the article and look at the pictures in the village, they all run and hide, and then later they try on their clothing, and that's around all the stuff. Someone who wants to keep these people uncontacted, is in fact, contacting them. He I believe the number they gave was a pocket of 1350 people uncontacted. In a few short years we will have contacted everyone on the planet, thanks to modern technology. That's the first piece, "everyone on the planet".

|Zach|
12-10-2004, 09:17 PM
What did we do to deserve this thread. Just to be clear create some paragraphs so this thing is readable.
We didn't start Rich Scanlon.

David.
12-10-2004, 09:18 PM
uhh

ENDelt260
12-10-2004, 09:19 PM
F*cking spammers.

Y'all are lucky I wandered back by the computer on my way to the bar.

Valiant
12-10-2004, 09:19 PM
So if i pay with cash i am good???

unlurking
12-10-2004, 09:20 PM
Please die and go away.

Or better yet, come to my house and preach. I only have to pull you half way in AFTER I shoot you in the head.

David.
12-10-2004, 09:21 PM
OMG YOU PERSECUTORS!


THE END IS NEAR! THE END IS NEAR!

ENDelt260
12-10-2004, 09:21 PM
Normally I'd delete the thread, too... but, I could see this turning into a night crew gathering spot... so, I'll let it be.

David.
12-10-2004, 09:23 PM
so what are you guys doing tonite? I'm staying at home, I'm coughing so hard I've thrown up 3 times.....which is lovely by the way.

unlurking
12-10-2004, 09:24 PM
Normally I'd delete the thread, too... but, I could see this turning into a night crew gathering spot... so, I'll let it be.
lol

thanks for taking out the trash!

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 09:25 PM
So, have you accepted Jesus as your savior yet?

ENDelt260
12-10-2004, 09:25 PM
so what are you guys doing tonite? I'm staying at home, I'm coughing so hard I've thrown up 3 times.....which is lovely by the way.
I'm gonna walk to the bar down the street and get drunk. At some point tonight, it's likely I'll make an ass out of myself. If, by some chance, I don't make an ass of myself fully in person, on my walk home at 2-ish AM, I'll make a long distance phone call. Preferably to someone on the east coast so it's 4am there. Then I'll pass out. Hopefully in my apartment.

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 09:25 PM
Normally I'd delete the thread, too... but, I could see this turning into a night crew gathering spot... so, I'll let it be.

Smart move, endelt.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2004, 09:26 PM
WTF is this crap??????

wutamess
12-10-2004, 09:30 PM
It was pretty interesting and he didn't get to finish his point. You didn't have to run him off. (He didn't violate any board rules)Atleast tell him to post in the political thread or something.

I wouldn't mind finishing reading what he'd have to say.

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 09:33 PM
I wouldn't mind finishing reading what he'd have to say.

I agree. It'd be a good time.

Logical
12-10-2004, 09:34 PM
So, have you accepted Jesus as your savior yet?My gardner is a savior?

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 09:37 PM
My gardner is a savior?

He could be. I'd be nicer to him in the next couple of days.

Skip Towne
12-10-2004, 09:45 PM
What did we do to deserve this thread. Just to be clear create some paragraphs so this thing is readable.
You didn't actually read that did you? I made it through 4 sentences.

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 09:45 PM
You didn't actually read that did you? I made it through 4 sentences.

It gets really good at the credit cards part

Logical
12-10-2004, 09:46 PM
He could be. I'd be nicer to him in the next couple of days.Should I fire the Judas my window washer.

Logical
12-10-2004, 09:46 PM
You didn't actually read that did you? I made it through 4 sentences.

Hell no

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 09:50 PM
FWIW, I live in Apt 668. I'm not the beast, but the neighbor of the Beast...

Skip Towne
12-10-2004, 09:53 PM
I'm gonna walk to the bar down the street and get drunk. At some point tonight, it's likely I'll make an ass out of myself. If, by some chance, I don't make an ass of myself fully in person, on my walk home at 2-ish AM, I'll make a long distance phone call. Preferably to someone on the east coast so it's 4am there. Then I'll pass out. Hopefully in my apartment.
It must be nice to live within stumbling distance of a bar.

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 09:54 PM
The second piece... small and great. Let's talk about identifying everyone on the planet. And linking them up with modern technology. Here in the United States, we all have telephones, cell phones, televisions, microwaves, TV, laptops, computers. We are hooked into the modern digital world. Many parts of the planet are not. They don't have the wiring, they don't have the infrastructure. They don't have the method of participating in the modern system of commerce where you scan your credit card, your loyalty card and use a number to make a purchase. Well, that's changed. There are companies out there, this particular company is called Gilad systems networks, and they have the picture of a hut in the middle of Africa with a satellite out in front of it. And Gilad is the company that says it's satellite networks have been preparing Africa. The principal is simple, wherever there's a patch of sky and exhaust list commodity in Africa, there is a seamless pathway for state of the art telephony and Internet activity. This is to meet the communication challenge of Africa where thousands of world communities lack terrestrial infrastructure or use unreliable overloaded outdated landlines. So not only do you need to identify everyone down to the last tribe in the Amazon, in order for this prophecy to become a reality, but you need to be able to get those people linked into a database or numbering system. That's now become a reality. You can now go to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro, Mount Fuji, or the deepest jungles of Africa, or the Amazon, and you can if you can find a clear patch of sky you can hook up a satellite system to link those individuals those indigenous people, into the computerized buying and selling network. There's two other companies to the same thing. Infosat, their news release Infosat and Precidia team up to bring point-of-sale capabilities to remote businesses. What's driving these satellite companies to go to these remote locations is the idea of being able to buy and sell in those remote locations using digital currency as opposed to local currency. Inmarsat is another. Inmarsat satellite services provide coverage for 98% of the planet with access to international dial-up telephone fax and data networks. Just last year I was In apple orchard an heirloom apple orchard where they had apples back to the time of Thomas Jefferson, it's incredible place, pretty much in the middle of nowhere in New Hampshire. But if you go into their little gift shop, rustic with saw dust on the floor, the building is probably 100 years old, there when the worn wooden counter is a brand-new gleaming state of the art credit card swipe machine. The same is probably true in the huts of Africa at this point.
Rich and poor.. rich nations have access to this technology too, speaking of the numbering system in digital commerce. What about poor countries? Gilad has a picture of where they actually taken a telephone which is the basis of the credit card swipe unit and they hooked it up again outside of a hut in Africa. It is technically feasible to identify everyone on the planet. And to link everyone using satellite technology. It's not just a satellite technology, it's also the Internet. And the con activity that Internet provides. The Internet is nothing more than of transmitting digital or numerical information over distances and linking it up and putting it in databases traveling at high speeds back and forth. You hook that up to a satellite and you got a Web as a good image. A network around the globe whereby all this information can move around. Without that it would not be possible at least not anyway I could envision to create a system where everyone had to have a number to buy or sell.
Free and bond... one of the things we will be talking about now, is a technology called radio frequency identification. Which is a way of using radio waves to transmit information about an individual's products items money any feasible item on the planet. And transmit data at a distance where can be picked up and read. There is a particular company called TSI. Which provides services to correctional institutions or prisons. And one of the things they have created, are monitoring devices that actually transmit digital information about individuals and where they go and what they do.
Free and bond... Or free and slave. Or imprisoned. "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Before you get to someone's right hand, you might want to get to their wrist. Have you heard of the mobile speed pass? The mobile speed pass is a handheld device that goes when your keychain it transmits using radio waves a number associated with you through the air which is picked up by either the cash register in the mobile convenience store, or by the gas pump. By pushing a button you can transmit information and you can make your payments without ever touching or taking out your wallet or credit card and your cash. Mobile has teamed up with Timex to put this tiny payment device that can beam over a distance in a wristwatch. In 1999, when I first started thinking about the mark of the beast and how numerical payment systems and what would have to happen to numerical payment systems using credit cards in order to evolve into the mark of the beast. One of the things I realized is that if you told people we would like you to implant your credit card under your skin in your right hand people might say no. But what if you told people you could lose a credit card, someone could rob you, why don't you strap it on your wrist and make things a little more secure. It won't fall off, people just can't grab it, people are already accustomed to wristwatches, so what an easy way to make that transition. In fact, when you think about prophecy create a couple guideposts for yourself. For me my guideposts started at an early age, if it became necessary to have a number to buy and sell groceries, I would pull out my Bible and take it seriously. What seems outlandish to you? Maybe an implant in your hand? In 1999 the mobile speed pass did not exist. And certainly not in a Timex watch. The precursor to putting it in your hand is putting in a watch a half inch away. Not only can you get these Timex watches with speed pass, but you can go on the Timex web site and you can buy one of these for 35 or 40 bucks. It looks just like regular watch. Isn't it interesting how easy these things slip in to what's called normal. I have to say the idea of carrying around a watch to make a payment while it may seem normal in this era of Bluetooth wireless modem con activity and computers, it doesn't seem like that big of a leap. But if you go back 2000 years ago and put yourself, or 100 years ago, and put yourself in a place of someone who never heard of a computer, who didn't even know what lay beyond the next ridge. And then you explain to that person how something slapped onto your wrist would be able to communicate a number over a distance which would be used to deduct an account which contained a number not gold, or jewels, or goats. But reduce the level of a number in some computer somewhere I think that person would look at you and say.. I don't get it. In the same way that these authors said I don't understand. But now it's so obvious it's not even a big deal. Of course, you just transmit the radiowave and make your payment was the big deal? Try to put yourself back into pre-technology era. There are no telephones. There is no way to travel. There are no airplanes. We don't know the Earth is round. We don't know. We don't know. At that point the idea of numbering everyone on the planet, much less using our wristwatch transmitting numerical data for purchase is nuts. None could buy or sell unless he had the mark.

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 09:55 PM
What's happening today with buying and selling? What was the last time you were in a FedEx and tried to pay with cash? FedEx actually won't take cash. They only take credit cards. The last time I went to pick up my car from the dealer after it had been repaired I brought cash because I make all my purchases in cash, and they would not release my car, the cause, they could not make change. I got the exact change and came back, she said, it's after 5 p.m. I can't take it I have nowhere to put it, you have to use a credit card. It's becoming to the point now you almost even now I'm not saying a mark but there are occasions now without a number you cannot buy or sell. The number being your credit card. Try renting a car. Try checking into a hotel. Even though our cash says legal tender for all that's public and private.. if someone will stand and challenge they will either say OK, or strip that right off the cash. Another signpost for me was when the United States Post Office had a sign saying please pay with a credit card. Every single time I went to the post office a postal employee was saying, you know you can use your Discover or Visa card. And I said you guys are really pounding me over the head with this. They said, that the requirement, if we don't say that, we will lose our job.

Let's talk about loyalty cards. The guardian had the article "the spy in your wallet, what loyalty cards really mean." Loyalty cards may seem like a minor thing to worry about, but let me tell you why loyalty cards are critical to the creation of a global system. Of registering purchases of an individuals and requiring them to present number to buy or sell. Prior to about 1990 these cards were introduced. In 1990 a couple things were converging, the Internet was becoming fairly widespread into businesses in stores at point-of-sale of cash registers. They hooked up to the Internet so they could be real-time, in verification for example the up. You might remember they would have to skin your credit card or the metallic plastic device that was not wired to anything, and they would ask for ID. They had no way in real-time, they had to pick up the phone and slow everything down. They had no way of verifying the credit card was valid. Those of you who are a little older might remember that prior to the 1990s. There wasn't a system to wear credit cards were linked into the Internet, that didn't exist. Were they could actually transmit that data to real-time in some distant database and remove the money from your account in real-time none of that was possible. Now let me to you what the loyalty card did to completely revolutionize this. The loyalty card at the local grocery store was the first time that identity was being asked for in order to make a purchase but the identity was not being asked for as a method of payment was being asked for specifically because they wanted to know it. And what the loyalty card infrastructure did is create these enormous databases this huge infrastructure of databases that record people's names and everything they've ever bought at that store item by item orange juice brand buy orange juice brand can of Coke by can of Coke. The barcode change physical items into numbers, that was the first time humanity has ever converted physical items into numbers. So if I scan a can of Coke at a store its not going to say can of Coke, it's going to get the number off of their record the number in the database. That's what the barcode did. The shopper card or the loyalty card came along and turned and turned people into numbers. It was the first time we got linked together, people and things both numerical.
What would it take from the system we have in place now to absolutely require people to be linked up to their purchases. The loyalty cards have done a good job at this the last couple of years. In that the loyalty cards will bump up prices unless you have the card. And when you get the card you get the reduction in price. If you don't use the card you can pay up to 50% more for your grocery items. Comply or pay extra is the game today. At the last count 80% of America's households have signed up in those purchase registration programs. They are not savings programs. The prices are higher at the stores that have the cards in those that did not. That's because their database is unbelievably sophisticated and very expensive and a cost a lot of money to store all that data about you and your purchases.

Now 80% of people have got comfortable with the idea of having their every food purchase monitored. That's the first step in getting people accustomed to the idea of presenting identity in order to buy or sell. What would it take to make it mandatory that you must present identification in order to buy food? It's not like guns is it? It's not like fireworks or explosives. It's not really dangerous, food. How could it be possible that someone will require ID to buy food?

Doesn't make sense.

Unless, a terrorist gets a hold of a factory and puts poison in the baby food.

And the stringpeas are now toxic. The people who scan their loyalty card like dutiful obedient consumers have registered their purchase of the stringpeas in a database. So they get a phone call from the frantic public health official. You bought those peas last week and you got to throw them away their toxic! The people who didn't scan their loyalty card at a store, or like me, who refused to use that thing, those folks, unfortunately, would have some pretty tragic accidents. And people would die. It would be on every TV station. Beautiful six-month old baby who ate toxic peas. And at that point I could see Congress getting involved in saying.. Well, it's certainly not fair that people who live and nice neighborhoods and wonderful stores have these cards and get a chance to register their purchases. But these people who live other neighborhoods who don't have access to those kind of stores run the risk of a product recall. In fact, As Congress, I think we'll just make some appropriations, and say we will provide matching funds to all the stores who don't have the programs. We will help you out. It we will set it up so everyone who buys the string peas as an opportunity to register in a database. We won't make it mandatory or anything. We certainly want to give them that option if they like.

And then let's say down the road after that has sunken in three years, letting people get real use to the idea that good moms and dads scan their purchases with the credit card. Good moms record their purchases because good moms want to know if something's wrong with the food their feeding Jr. And insurance companies would say gee, if you're one of those moms who scans all your purchases will give you a break on your insurance, we will give you couple different incentives, and then down the road maybe only 5% don't participate like GOOD little moms and at that point Congress just says you know, it's just not safe. In fact, if you're not scanning your purchases and recording everything you're buying we will consider you a dangerous parent. Maybe we'll take your kids away unless you comply...
There's something out there called the fair tax act of 2003. Very popular. In the fair tax act of 2003 it would replace the income tax system with a sales tax system. It is the worst thing I have ever heard. First of all the income tax system is a wreck. It is invasive and forces its way into every aspect of our life. Even IRS cannot give solid advice as to what it is. Nobody can plow their way through it. But let me tell you how you don't want to reform it. You do not want reform it with a national sales tax. Here's why. From income tax to Global sells tax?. " Dissatisfaction with the current income tax continues to generate interest in broad-based tax reform. In particular, there is considerable interest in moving from our current income tax to a consumption tax... this comes from the think tank Cato Institute. They devoted a policy analysis paper back in 97 and took a look at what might be the problem with this. Putting aside revelation for a moment. Just looking at taxation. If you switch away from our current system which has graduated taxes people at the lower income scale don't pay any tax as opposed to the rich who pay a lot. The Robin Hood idea. If you switch to sales tax, let's say everybody's going to pay 25% sales tax from now on. That's a problem, because the rich only spend a small portion of their income every month. Say 2% to live. In the rest can go to funds and accounts in other places. It's not being spent and no taxes are being paid on it. The poor on the other hand by the time their two-week paycheck comes around they've already spent everything. And they would be paying 25% of all that. Solution. If I could identify who you were I could set your specific sales tax rate at the point of sale. Right at the cash register. If I identify orangeatheist is in a lower income bracket and you should be paying only 5% tax them by identifying you in real-time and looking you up in a database, and selling to you, I can only deduct 5% and send it straight to the government. On the other hand if I learned you LA Bronco you're making 500,000 year, I could say you need to be taxed at a 60% tax rate when you buy your new Porsche. That would solve all problems, Universal sales tax. Here's the problem. If you don't identify yourself at the point-of-sale and you don't pay your tax you will be breaking the law, you will be committing tax fraud. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You cannot collect $200. If we move to this system were I say here's me, I can verify certainly that's me, I didn't just borrow my friends ID, to say I am in the 5% tax bracket, but I presented something unique to me, something identified specifically from me, like a biometric, like a fingerprint, like an iris scanning, DNA sample, then you know for sure that I really am me. And I really do qualify for that lower tax rate. That's another way it would be possible to require identity in order to make a purchase.
A couple years back a official with the Federal Reserve Bank made a proposal something called the carry tax. I believe it was in 1999. His idea was cash should carry a magnetic strip, and as cash is issued from an ATM or bank it would identify the date. Keep track of the date it was issued. If you held one to it longer than a certain period of time it would begin deducting in value. In other words, your dollar might become worth $.99 cents, then $.98 after couple months. Let's say you took 3 $100 bills and you held on to them for year. And you take them to the bank. They say, oh yeah, that's worth $240 dollars. The rest goes to the federal government in tax. That was actually a proposal friends. It was met with a lot of unhappy responses in Congress. Not popular. But this has been floating around for longtime, the idea of tagging cash and tracking what it does.
Let's talk about how cash plays into his whole system of using numbers. Cash would seem to be the exception to that. There is a company called NTT, a Japanese company. They have developed an identification system using DNA. Similar what I was talking about.That would identify the exact individual making sure they were the right person they were claiming to be. Fully identified for a purchase. Well, their card actually has a little thing in the bottom right which is a DNA certification mark. And encoding mark actually representing a person's DNA. A couple months ago in England, one of the original discovers a DNA, was saying, I think it would be a good idea if we DNA everyone at birth and put that information on a card. So everyone would have their unique identifying number. Here's a quote from China. "Citizens will use the card(this is a national ID card with the Smart ship in it.) To identify themselves in many settings, when they make bank deposits, check into hotels, airports, and when they trade stocks." This is communist China. But you know what? It's sounding a lot like the United States at the moment.

Think about the last time you checked into a hotel, did they ask for your ID? They certainly asked for your idea in an airplane. Even the Greyhound buses are starting to require ID. Now why do they need to know that? What possible crime could I commit by just getting on the bus?

In the future of money summit, there are some fascinating things going on. The symbol is a little bit creepy, it is the pyramid. It's the pyramid on the back of our dollar bill. That's the pyramid associated with the total information awareness program. The department of defense initiative to know everything in every database about everyone. Every purchase. Every telephone call. Every bank deposit. The all seeing eye above the pyramid.

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 09:55 PM
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I put this up here not because it's particularly unique, but because there are so many summits talking about the future of money. And what they all agree on is cash is going away and very shortly all purchases will be digital. That everything we do know will switch over to credit cards. Imagine cash is gone and we switch to credit cards. What would that mean? Think about all the cards n your wallet. Five, 10, 30.. it's a pain having to sift through all those cards. I call it searching for the three of spades. When someone says, do you have your Kroger card? At some point all those cards are going to get annoying, people are going to consolidate them into one smartcard.

Remember the driver's license modernization act? It would have put the smart computer-chip onto them. Instead of presenting your loyalty card you show your ID and your in like Flynn. The future of money will be smart chips, and even your medical history will be contained on it. Visa already does it hands-free. The bank one Visa card is equipped with a radiofrequency device that can be read at a distance in the store of the future. It will be possible for you to put all your items in a basket, get to the check out, and on the conveyor belt it would survey every tiny thing in your basket because of the radial frequency chips in the items, or RFID. And It would read your credit card information through your wallet, and at that point, you would have one such device in your wallet, and it wouldn't be competing with 10 different credit cards. It reads, you walk out.

A lot of people have told me about and ad a few years ago where this guy is stuffing things into his shirt, he's sneaking out the door to leave the store, and they go... Sir, Sir, you forgot your receipt. This is the idea of how we will shop in the future. We won't mess around with cash or money we will just walk out the door. And something associated with us would be sending enough information to make the purchase. The next generation loyalty card has antennas coming out from them. Which means your identity can be read at a distance of 20 ft., the minute you walk through the door of the store. And there are plans to identify and discriminate against anyone based on their value to the store. In England there are actually a couple stores that employ bouncers, and they are talking about using information about you, contained on this chip, that would be beemed out at a distance to even decide if they would serve you, and in some cases even let you in the door.

I had a dream I was looking at a entrance into a store; and there were many people standing outside the store unable to get in, and they were begging people to go in and buy items for them.

So using this technology, and using the store's current idea of discriminating against valuable and not valuable customers, maybe even offering them different prices, it would be possible in this world to say... Wait a minute, the last 10 times you came into the store you only buy items that were on sale, you cost us more than you made us. And you know what? The door is not going to open for you anymore. We will just read you and identify you just like we did on the way out, except now, we will do it on the way in.

So it is possible to use these devices to discriminate against people. This is being planned already. I have read the documentation.

Now about cash. If cash becomes embedded with tiny radio frequency devices. It's a tiny silicon chip, computer-chip, that contains a unique identifying number. They can be read at a distance by beaming electro-magnetic energy at it. It stimulates the chip hooked up to the antenna, the antenna magnifies a radio signal, sends back the number to the reader device, and enables it to be identified at a distance. If you put these into cash, what it means is, that every single bank note coming out of the Federal Reserve would have its own unique number. Now currently they have unique serial numbers, but there's no way to read them. And certainly not anyway to read them at a distance. If you do this with cash and you put unique identifying numbers as the cash comes out of ATM machine or as the teller hands it to you from the bank, or as the Wal-Mart cashier gives it back as change. That can actually be registered to you in a database. Meaning, that if you took that money, let's say we got to the point where we have this global sales tax, and you wanted to go to a yard sale, and you wanted to buy somebody's sailboat, and you gave them $300 bills for their sailboat, and you didn't pay the tax. Now remember, if we move to global sales tax, not paying sales tax on something would-be a huge crime. Now it's a minor crime, but in the future it will be a major massive crime. Because it will be the government's only source of income. Let's say you go to a yard sale, and you buy somebody's sailboat, you give them $300, and you don't register the cash, now he takes the $300 and tries to do something with it at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart would say, wait a minute, this wasn't registered to you. This wasn't any official transaction. Where did you get the money? You are under arrest. This is contraband.

If cash becomes identifiable and linked with individuals, the anonymity of purchases could go away, and our ability to make transactions the government doesn't know about would go away. Even if you just gave 20 bucks to your roommate, it's possible that it could come under suspicion. The excuse given for this, or the explanation for this is to stop counterfeiters. To track money launderers and drug transactions. Because of the big "underground economy" is where cash is changing hands and its not being recorded in a database. Right now, the push is to record all transactions. The government is very uneasy at the idea of money changing hands without their knowledge. Remember, this is even before we have a national sales tax. If it's that way now, imagine what it will be if we get a national sales tax. It will be the new drug war, where everything you do, will be scrutinized.


Now let's talk about the "verichip" implant. The verichip implant is a tiny RFID device containing a unique individual number showing who people are and information about them. The verichip, is currently produced by company called Applied Digital Solutions. They also make something called Digital Angel. The verichip is normally inserted into the bicep region of the arm. Not very many people have taken yet, because it gives people the creeps. The idea of the technology is once you have it in, you can be identified. If you ran into trouble someone can scan it, look you up in a database, and know who you are.

Imagine that we have a system now that they want to identify who you are, you got all your stuff in a key fob, a credit card, smartcard, or in your drivers license. If you lose it, you're in trouble. You then strapp it on your wrists, so we move to the next stage, now we have them on people's wrist. Someone comes along and steals your wristwatch, now you're really in trouble, because it's not just your wrist watch, it's your identity.

The next logical step would be to embedd it into your body, to prevent theft. They can't steal your arm, they can't steal your hand. Not only that, imagine how simple it would be when you're in the store, and you want to make a payment, and you walk up to the reader device, press your hand to it and walk out the door.

With one of these devices containing the same information you now present with your credit card, it would be very simple.

I can't emphasize enough how credit cards are a real problem. Because when you pay with a credit card, you're essentially paying with a number period. It goes out into the ether, nothing but numbers changing hands across the globe. Put that number in a chip, in a mark in your hand, and you're all set...

Now the radio frequency identification chip that is making this all possible, the transmitting of information using radio waves, the thing that would work if you pressed your hand against the reader device, is the size of a piece of dust or piece of glitter.
Radio frequency identification chip's are tiny chips containing identifying numbers. Those tiny chips if hooked up to an antenna are able to beam out information or actually having radio waves beamed at them and sending back information up to 20 or 30 ft. away.

If they are hooked up to a battery, they can do that all the way up to a satellite. So that's the device inside the verichip. The tiny piece of glass that gets embedded in people's upper arm if they sign up to Supplied Digital Solutions technology, is a chip wrapped around a metallic coil. Very small. Almost undetectable in your body. Think about the coil. I'm going to be talking about it in relation to revelation. The slogan was "Get Chipped" the promotional scheme was to use it for security purposes.

In the financial arena, again, we are talking about buying and selling.

Verichip has enormous potential at becoming personal verification technology. Now remember what I said. You have to verify who you were in order to get the right tax rate. To make sure your putting the string peas into a database. This is the technology that will make it all possible. And it's one of the ways they are promoting it. It can do this without batteries, without any internal source of power. It stays dormant under your skin until energized by a reader. It's a little bit misleading. The idea that it doesn't have any batteries might make you think it doesn't have any power coming out of it. But, in order to read it, you have to be bombarded with energy from outside. The electromagnetic energy from a reader goes into your body, hits the device and activates the number. We do not know the long-term health effects of having these devices inside your body. The auto ID center wants to promote these tiny tracking devices. The most disturbing thing besides counting humans, is numbering every single item on the planet using it to replace the bar code. One of the things on their slide says it would take 23 bits of numerical information to number every automobile on the planet (dust size chip). It would take 29 bits to number all the computers. It would only take 33 zeros and ones to give a unique identifying number two every human on planet Earth.

The disturbing part is, this industry consortium, which consist of some of the biggest companies in the world. Procter & Gamble. Johnson & Johnson. Kimberly-Clark international paper company. Coca-Cola. These guys should be thinking about products, yet, they are naming human beings. By the way, the Department of Defense and United States postal workers are behind this technology. The fact that they are putting human beings on their slide and internal documents as a way to utilize this technology is a little bit worrisome. And definitely by putting one of these numbers into one of these verichip's and into a human being, verify them, you could link that number up to a database and require them to present that to buy or sell.

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 09:57 PM
To be continued friends...

David.
12-10-2004, 10:00 PM
uhh

ChiTown
12-10-2004, 10:02 PM
It must be nice to live within stumbling distance of a bar.

In my neighborhood, it's called my basement.....

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 10:03 PM
I see you have have constructed a new light saber. Your skills are complete. Indeed, you are powerful...as the Emperor has forseen...

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 10:04 PM
I mean we're talking about God and the devil and angels and stuff. Glorious and divine. The creator of the universe. Maker of all living things. He sees the universe and laughs at it's simplicity.

I guess I just don't see how a few plastic cards will contribute to ending all of this.

ChiTown
12-10-2004, 10:04 PM
To be continued friends...

Gee, I can't wait you fu cking freak.

Jenson71
12-10-2004, 10:05 PM
To be continued friends...

I dunno, I think a few of us have to be heading back to the planet earth now, Duane.

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 10:05 PM
Gee, I can't wait you fu cking freak.

That's it. BANNED!

big nasty kcnut
12-10-2004, 10:07 PM
It nice of lebron to preach to us but he still not jesus. Also god called he say your an ass monkey.

ChiTown
12-10-2004, 10:07 PM
That's it. BANNED!
:moon:

Skip Towne
12-10-2004, 10:08 PM
Gee, I can't wait you fu cking freak.
Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat.

ChiTown
12-10-2004, 10:08 PM
It nice of lebron to preach to us but he still not jesus. Also god called he say your an ass monkey.

ROFL

These two sentences are just full of gold....... ROFL

Boozer
12-10-2004, 10:10 PM
I hope our new friend won't be too concerned that I'm affiliated with the NSA. Actually, it's much more secret than the NSA, but...I've said too much.

Logical
12-10-2004, 10:13 PM
To be continued friends...

I hope someone buries an RFID up your ass.:rolleyes:

Dallas Chief
12-10-2004, 10:21 PM
The wifey goes to bed, I hit the net, catching up on some Chiefs stuff and now I'm freaked out and won't be able to sleep. Thanks RFID...

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 10:23 PM
"I guess I just don't see how a few plastic cards will contribute to ending all of this."

The government's ability to make living a normal life without one impossible. Though the chip implantation procedure might legally remain "voluntary," it's very likely that government at all levels will eventually force everyone to have one.
After all, the government has never forced anyone to have a driver license, But try getting along without one, when everyone from your local banker to the car rental man to the hotel operator to the grocery store requires one in order for you to take advantage of their services.
It amounts to a de facto mandate, If the government can force you to surrender your fingerprints to get a drivers license, why can't it force you to get a computer chip implant? These are differences in degree, not in kind, which is why it's essential to fight government privacy invasions from the outset.

Logical
12-10-2004, 10:34 PM
"I guess I just don't see how a few plastic cards will contribute to ending all of this."

The government's ability to make living a normal life without one impossible. Though the chip implantation procedure might legally remain "voluntary," it's very likely that government at all levels will eventually force everyone to have one.
After all, the government has never forced anyone to have a driver license, But try getting along without one, when everyone from your local banker to the car rental man to the hotel operator to the grocery store requires one in order for you to take advantage of their services.
It amounts to a de facto mandate, If the government can force you to surrender your fingerprints to get a drivers license, why can't it force you to get a computer chip implant? These are differences in degree, not in kind, which is why it's essential to fight government privacy invasions from the outset.

You might want to worry about your SS# :p

wutamess
12-10-2004, 10:40 PM
Dude has a point to an extent... It's all entirely possible.

Long read and redundant in areas but it's somewhat worth it.

wutamess
12-10-2004, 10:42 PM
My question is... why are you so interested in all of this? Especially when 9 out of 10 people don't really givachit and that 1 out of 10 can't do anything about it.

Fire Fly
12-10-2004, 10:49 PM
My question is... why are you so interested in all of this? Especially when 9 out of 10 people don't really givachit and that 1 out of 10 can't do anything about it.

I am the watchman on the wall. I eat knowledge, and breath truth.

ChiTown
12-10-2004, 10:50 PM
I am the watchman on the wall. I eat knowledge, and breath truth.

and shoot acid...............

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 10:50 PM
I am the watchman on the wall. I eat knowledge, and breath truth.

And you expel flatulance...

Taco John
12-10-2004, 11:12 PM
Good luck with all this Robb...

Logical
12-10-2004, 11:13 PM
Good luck with all this Robb... I wondered if it was him. Too bad no mod is on now to boot him again. Endo did once before he left for the night.

|Zach|
12-10-2004, 11:14 PM
Good luck with all this Robb...
ROFL

I bet its a different guy. It is not the same "affiliation"

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:22 PM
wtf is going on? :shrug:

what guy?

what affiliation?

who's robb?

who is this crackpot? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Boozer
12-10-2004, 11:25 PM
Taco, please take your trash with you on your way out.

|Zach|
12-10-2004, 11:25 PM
wtf is going on?

what guy?

what affiliation?

what's going on?

who tf is this crackpot?
There was a guy on the OM kind of did the same bit...except he was always making references to a website in his. The weird thing was he used to talk football and had good takes and then just did this over and over....

TJ gave him Da Boot.

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:27 PM
Taco, please take your trash with you on your way out.oh... taco trash...

never mind, then... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 11:27 PM
There was a guy on the OM kind of did the same bit...

Ahhh, Orangemane garbage. Should have guessed...

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:28 PM
There was a guy on the OM kind of did the same bit...except he was always making references to a website in his. The weird thing was he used to talk football and had good takes and then just did this over and over....

TJ gave him Da Boot.da boot!

yah, this is goot!

da boot, over and over, this is very goot... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

FloridaChief
12-10-2004, 11:28 PM
oh... taco trash...


ROFL

|Zach|
12-10-2004, 11:29 PM
Ahhh, Orangemane garbage. Should have guessed...
I don't think its the same guy...they are just similar.

But...

I understand this is shocking but there have been times in my life where I have been wrong. So take it for what it is worth...

ROFL

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:30 PM
I don't think its the same guy...they are just similar.

But...

I understand this is shocking but there have been times in my life where I have been wrong. So take it for what it is worth...

ROFLno, say it ain't so!! :shake: :shake: :shake:

|Zach|
12-10-2004, 11:31 PM
no, say it ain't so!! :shake: :shake: :shake:
So sorry to dissapoint...

Deberg_1990
12-10-2004, 11:31 PM
Wow, I am amazed at the mileage that this thread has gotten! Up to 5 pages already and counting!

Ari Chi3fs
12-10-2004, 11:33 PM
actually the main producer of RFID's will become a large company...with huge return possibilities.

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:36 PM
actually the main producer of RFID's will become a large company...with huge return possibilities.oomlot!! good to see you back again, f#ckface!!


(sorry, just couldn't resist... :D )

Ari Chi3fs
12-10-2004, 11:45 PM
y g b. lagh it p funny by.

go bowe
12-10-2004, 11:55 PM
y g b. lagh it p funny by.thanks, i will...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

tommykat
12-11-2004, 12:12 AM
Dude has a point to an extent... It's all entirely possible.

Long read and redundant in areas but it's somewhat worth it.

It is possible and is in progress non stop. Hey you all know that I believe, so this is something that most are making fun of should just take time to read a little and learn a little..;)

cheeeefs
12-11-2004, 12:40 AM
thanks for trying to give me salvation fire-dude... but you only managed to bore me right to death

I am slain...

ugh...

Fire Fly
12-11-2004, 12:42 AM
The company producing these chips is called alien technology. It has one of the creepiest logos I've ever seen. This is a page from their web site
RED HERRING SELECTS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION FOR PRESTIGIOUS RED HERRING

Award Recognizes 100 Companies That Embody Innovation
San Francisco, December 7, 2004 – Alien Technology Corporation announced today that it has been selected as a Top 100 Innovator by Red Herring.
“We are delighted and proud to receive this prestigious award from Red Herring acknowledging Alien Technology as the leading innovator in the RFID market,” said Stav Prodromou, CEO, Alien Technology Corporation.
``Selection for the Innovation 100 puts a company in an elite group. The editors worked hard to identify the companies who will benefit from the important technology trends in the coming year,’’ said Joel Dreyfuss, Editor-in-Chief of Red Herring.
Red Herring’s editorial staff evaluated over 1200 submissions from 900 companies. The editors used a careful analysis of financial data as well as subjective criteria, including quality of management, execution of strategy, and dedication to research and development.
About COMPANY
Alien Technology Corporation is a leading provider of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) products for global customers in government, retail, manufacturing, pharmaceuticals, transportation, and other industries. Using its patented manufacturing process, Fluidic Self Assembly (FSA), Alien manufactures EPC tags in very high-volumes and at low cost. The company also provides RFID readers for a variety of applications including supply chain management, logistics, and anti-counterfeiting, to improve inventory management and reduce operating costs. Alien is an active member of EPCglobal. More information about Alien Technology Corporation can be found on the Company’s website at www.alientechnology.com.
http://www.alientechnology.com/

Most of imagery associate with this technology is quite dark. In a conference I intended several months ago there was a gentleman from Phillip Morris talking about this technology. He was talking to a bunch of global executives that deal with moving products around. He was telling them, when this comes out, when we have radio devices in everything, and we are tracking everything all over the planet, you're going to need to change the way you run your warehouse in your back room. Here's his statement. "This technology will destroy our way of life." The whole room went silent. I don't think he realized the symbolic thing he said. If we do number every human being, and every physical item through databases, and computer systems, it will destroy our way of life. There will be no more freedom. There will be no more privacy, or the ability to walk around, and even talk to other people freely because your every move will be monitored and tracked. These radio frequency devices have and are appearing in products, like Gillette razor blades, the purpose was shoplifting prevention, but the ultimate purpose is everything you buy will be identified to you. In essence, it would make it difficult in a world where there is a mark of the beast, and you have a brother in law that is willing to take a mark, and give you the stuff he buys so you can survive. In a world like that, if he bought a shirt and gave it to you, that shirt could be tracked and a distance, and identified as you walk through a doorway, and they would say, you are not Taco John, in fact, we have identified you as the guy who's in trouble for not taking the chip. And now we are going to scan everything you are wearing and we will know where you got it.

Fire Fly
12-11-2004, 12:55 AM
It is possible and is in progress non stop. Hey you all know that I believe, so this is something that most are making fun of should just take time to read a little and learn a little..;)

This is the only thing you can do to protect yourself.

http://www.oakparkch.org/holyghost1.ram

Ari Chi3fs
12-11-2004, 01:02 AM
sounds like a great stock, too bad it is privately funded. Why are you trying so hard FireFly? Spam elsewhere, beeytch.

Taco John
12-11-2004, 01:34 AM
Must not be Robb afterall... He'd have given me my own personal lashing for persecuting him and the message of Christ, Jesus if it was.

|Zach|
12-11-2004, 01:38 AM
Must not be Robb afterall... He'd have given me my own personal lashing for persecuting him and the message of Christ, Jesus if it was.
He should have just put a smilie behind his posts.

Rausch
12-11-2004, 01:55 AM
Wow, I am amazed at the mileage that this thread has gotten! Up to 5 pages already and counting!

Looks like I missed a good one...

elvomito
12-11-2004, 04:32 AM
look, the Bible says the mark will be on the right hand or forehead, right?

so just cut off your hand and rip the skin off your forehead and your set.

oh yeah, all of us are gonna die some day

:)
sleep well

JazzzLovr
12-11-2004, 07:42 AM
The company producing these chips is called alien technology. It has one of the creepiest logos I've ever seen.

He's not kidding:

http://www.alientechnology.com/webresources/images/logo.gif

Oh.

The horror.

Baby Lee
12-11-2004, 08:10 AM
He could be. I'd be nicer to him in the next couple of days.
His name is Jesus.

TheNextStep
12-11-2004, 08:19 AM
FWIW, I live in Apt 668. I'm not the beast, but the neighbor of the Beast...

I read this and I immediately had an old Iron Maiden song running through my head. Guitars blazing, bass thumping, drums pounding... and Bruce Dickinson singing "Six... Six... Eight! The neighbor of the beast! Six... Six... Eight! The one for you and me!"

It gave me a chuckle, anyway...

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:43 AM
I always find it funny how people go out of their way to discredit anything that even resembles God.

And I also find it funny that the usually the same people that engage in this activity are the first to complain about the intolerance of gays.

Ugly Duck
12-11-2004, 08:46 AM
Someday there's going to be a big purple flower, and it will cover two thirds of the sky, and when you see that you know that the prophecy is coming to pass. I'll look for it. Should be hard to miss. How come Bush doesn't warn us about giant purple flowers & devil numbers? Is he not a true believer?

Chieficus
12-11-2004, 08:53 AM
I am the watchman on the wall. I eat knowledge, and breath truth.

Not a very good watchman, though....

According to Paul, the man of lawlessness gains his power on the religious side of things--the world comes to worship him as God, after this then we can proceed to his political power and his little toady rising up and forcing the mark upon people.

Modern day governement infastructures have yet to produce anyone who masses are bowing down and worshiping.

Certianly we have to be weary of identity theft withe the credit cards, and privacy issues with chip implants. However, they do not qualify, Biblically, as the mark of the best.

May I suggest going and eating more knowledge...

Ugly Duck
12-11-2004, 08:54 AM
I am the watchman on the wall. I eat knowledge, and breath truth.Dang... you ChiefsFanz are deep! Much deeper than us RaiderFanz!

cash1000
12-11-2004, 08:59 AM
What they say in the movie GHOSTBUSTERS, said the "human race wasn't fit to live so it should be wiped out". The Fifth Element some BIG EVIL BALL OF FIRE is coming to wipe the human race out. My favorite is the X-Files is where the bigshot plotting with the aliens against the masses of worthless humanity come to find out the Aliens are gonna get rid of them too. Sad thing in all these something evils coming to wipe out humanity movies, i'm starting to kinda root for the bad guys cause seems like a wave of mass assholism hasn't taken over the human race. I'm a big Metallica fan and they be jamming about the coming apocalypse, "KILL'EM ALL" . Like the guy said in Ghostbusters the human race is acting like it ain't fit to live!

Bowser
12-11-2004, 09:15 AM
What was the question, again?

Otter
12-11-2004, 10:17 AM
Did paragraphs and brevity go out of style while I was sleeping last night?

RNR
12-11-2004, 10:19 AM
Did paragraphs and brevity go out of style while I was sleeping last night?Embrace the contraction

David.
12-11-2004, 10:26 AM
I always find it funny how people go out of their way to discredit anything that even resembles God.

And I also find it funny that the usually the same people that engage in this activity are the first to complain about the intolerance of gays.

Gays don't try to make me become gay....

go bowe
12-11-2004, 10:28 AM
Gays don't try to make me become gay....what?

aren't you pretty enough?

stevieray
12-11-2004, 10:29 AM
Gays don't try to make me become gay....

Nobody 'makes' you 'become' anything.

David.
12-11-2004, 10:29 AM
what?

aren't you pretty enough?

ROFL.....I have no witty comeback.

David.
12-11-2004, 10:30 AM
Nobody 'makes' you 'become' anything.

oh but they try.

stevieray
12-11-2004, 10:35 AM
oh but they try.

victim mantra.

beavis
12-11-2004, 10:37 AM
His name is Jesus.
Nobody ****s with the Jesus.

ChiTown
12-11-2004, 11:07 AM
Nobody 'makes' you 'become' anything.

My wife made me become the purse carrying girlie man that I am today...........Hey, I did it all for the nookie :)

stevieray
12-11-2004, 11:20 AM
My wife made me become the purse carrying girlie man that I am today...........Hey, I did it all for the nookie :)

Purse carrying girly man?

That must be some good nookie.

TheNextStep
12-11-2004, 11:21 AM
Purse carrying girly man?

That must be some good nookie.
It is.

Boozer
12-11-2004, 11:30 AM
It is.

ROFL

go bowe
12-11-2004, 11:31 AM
It is.beat me to it... :clap: :clap: :clap:

Fire Fly
12-11-2004, 11:37 AM
One of the things that's going to have to happen globally, to identifying everyone, to linking everyone with satellite, databases, number payment systems, getting everybody using credit cards and ridding themselves of cash, is have it be universal and standardized. There is a massive push in industry and in retail to do just that. It's called, "Oneness" quoting from retail systems 2003 in Chicago.."oneness among system supply chain and business" The idea is everything will be standardized. There are Wal-Marts all over the world, Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer in the world by the way. Wal-Mart has the capacity to put almost all businesses out of business. There was a statement couple years ago in England, they said, "England was too small for three grocery chains." People talk about loss of biodiversity. I talk about loss of retail diversity. If you are over 30 think about how many grocery stores there were when you were a kid, how many department stores, or anything stores. I'm boycotting Wal-Mart and Target because of this RFID technology. There is no where I can go to buy basic things. I needed dish towels the other day, I had to rack my brain to think of somebody besides Wal-Mart and Target in my town. Imagine a world where Wal-Mart puts everyone out of business. Where are you going to shop? Even if the system stays open and there is no overt imposition, a overt rule that says you must, you're not going to have much choice. I must shop at Wal-Mart or Target if I want dish towels. If we live in a world where there's only a Wal-Mart, the whole world would be affected by the decision they made. If they make the rule, you must identify yourself to buy here, most of the world will have to identify themselves. How many of you have already given your zip code or phone number to make a purchase?

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, freed slave, to receive a mark in the right hand or in the foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name...NKJ

Calcountry
12-11-2004, 11:38 AM
My gardner is a savior?
ROFL

Fire Fly
12-11-2004, 12:11 PM
Wal-Mart has that kind of power. In the 1970s Wal-Mart single-handedly caused the country to adopt the bar code. There was a lot of resistance out there on the part of the consumer, "mark of the beast" concern, worry, impersonalization.. Wal-Mart made a mandate. In the 1970s you would not think Wal-Mart was that big.

They said in the late seventies or early eighties that you're going to sell products through our store, you must put bar code on them or we won't sell them. And believe me, they snapped into line like that!

Wal-Mart has already announced to their top 100 suppliers, you must become compliant with RFID. At least on the cases and pallets. Put that in your factory or don't sell products at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is the hundred pound gorilla, if they tell suppliers to do something, suppliers jump.

The whole industry is spending enormous amounts of money to comply. It's coming. It's real. And Wal-Mart has the power to destroy the world as we know it. The pressure to comply, stores, retailers, and all of the people participating in buying and selling across the world, are being pressured to get on board with the same standardized systems.

Adapt or die is the game. In fact, there is a book called "adapt or die" and it was handed out to CEOs in Boston, attending something called the CEO forum for RFID adoption. RFID being these tiny chips they want to put in everything and most likely, every body. The CEOs just came to learn a little about the book. But what they said was. Look, you are going to be dinosaurs unless you adopt, and adopt it now! Huge amounts of money are going into this.

KcMizzou
12-11-2004, 12:12 PM
Didn't this guy used to spam the drain?

Boozer
12-11-2004, 12:13 PM
Wal-Mart has that kind of power. In the 1970s Wal-Mart single-handedly caused the country to adopt the bar code. There was a lot of resistance out there on the part of the consumer, "mark of the beast" concern, worry, impersonalization.. Wal-Mart made a mandate. In the 1970s you would not think Wal-Mart was that big.

They said in the late seventies or early eighties that you're going to sell products through our store, you must put bar code on them or we won't sell them. And believe me, they snapped into line like that!

Wal-Mart has already announced to their top 100 suppliers, you must become compliant with RFID. At least on the cases and pallets. Put that in your factory or don't sell products at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is the hundred pound gorilla, if they tell suppliers to do something, suppliers jump.

The whole industry is spending enormous amounts of money to comply. It's coming. It's real. And Wal-Mart has the power to destroy the world as we know it. The pressure to comply, stores, retailers, and all of the people participating in buying and selling across the world, are being pressured to get on board with the same standardized systems.

Adapt or die is the game. In fact, there is a book called "adapt or die" and it was handed out to CEOs in Boston, attending something called the CEO forum for RFID adoption. RFID being these tiny chips they want to put in everything and most likely, every body. The CEOs just came to learn a little about the book. But what they said was. Look, you are going to be dinosaurs unless you adopt, and adopt it now! Huge amounts of money are going into this.


:clap: :clap: :clap: Yea!!!! Paragraph breaks!!!

Rausch
12-11-2004, 03:17 PM
I always find it funny how people go out of their way to discredit anything that even resembles God.

And I also find it funny that the usually the same people that engage in this activity are the first to complain about the intolerance of gays.

Perhaps I wouldn't give you $#it about religion if we didn't agree on every other ****ing topic under the sun... :hmmm:

Rausch
12-11-2004, 03:17 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: Yea!!!! Paragraph breaks!!!

YOU can make a difference in people's lives...

TheNextStep
12-11-2004, 03:32 PM
This guy is basically the equivalent of the crazy homeless guy who somehow has a bullhorn and stands screaming "the word" outside of every subway station in every movie made since 1977.

ENDelt260
12-11-2004, 04:09 PM
It must be nice to live within stumbling distance of a bar.
It is.

I didn't even have to stumble home last night. The owner gave me a ride. Amazing the treatment you get when you throw obscene amounts of money away in an establishment.

ENDelt260
12-11-2004, 04:15 PM
I wish we had an established board policy that we didn't allow AOL users.

chiefs4me
12-11-2004, 04:28 PM
Wal-Mart has that kind of power. In the 1970s Wal-Mart single-handedly caused the country to adopt the bar code. There was a lot of resistance out there on the part of the consumer, "mark of the beast" concern, worry, impersonalization.. Wal-Mart made a mandate. In the 1970s you would not think Wal-Mart was that big.

They said in the late seventies or early eighties that you're going to sell products through our store, you must put bar code on them or we won't sell them. And believe me, they snapped into line like that!

Wal-Mart has already announced to their top 100 suppliers, you must become compliant with RFID. At least on the cases and pallets. Put that in your factory or don't sell products at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is the hundred pound gorilla, if they tell suppliers to do something, suppliers jump.

The whole industry is spending enormous amounts of money to comply. It's coming. It's real. And Wal-Mart has the power to destroy the world as we know it. The pressure to comply, stores, retailers, and all of the people participating in buying and selling across the world, are being pressured to get on board with the same standardized systems.

Adapt or die is the game. In fact, there is a book called "adapt or die" and it was handed out to CEOs in Boston, attending something called the CEO forum for RFID adoption. RFID being these tiny chips they want to put in everything and most likely, every body. The CEOs just came to learn a little about the book. But what they said was. Look, you are going to be dinosaurs unless you adopt, and adopt it now! Huge amounts of money are going into this.




You are a raving madman,,,,do you actually believe the crap you have just posted?

Spicy McHaggis
12-11-2004, 04:42 PM
Bah, I don't take tips from people like this. I just listen to the magical leprachaun that appears and tells me to burn things.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 06:51 PM
Let's talk about identifying everyone on the planet. And linking them up with modern technology.Let's!

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 06:52 PM
I wish we had an established board policy that we didn't allow AOL users.Not to mention WebTV... ****in' WebTV.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 06:53 PM
"Dude, I died in the ****ING APOCALYPSE! IT WAS AWESOME!"

ENDelt260
12-11-2004, 06:54 PM
"Dude, I died in the ****ING APOCALYPSE! IT WAS AWESOME!"
No you didn't. Turns out that guy just filled up a bunch of sex dolls with helium.

Roach
12-11-2004, 07:30 PM
He forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in his right hand or in his forehead, so none could buy or sale save he that had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Prison guards and prisoners are wearing watches that are very similar to that Timex watch that I mentioned earlier. They are very similar to the Verichip implant that would be beaming out individual information capable of being tracked through that. They are tracking devices, and they have RFID in them. They keep track of the jailer and the jail equally. So, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or in his forehead. You know what, it doesn't make sense for me to have a verichip implanted in my bicep, I would have to lean over for them to just read it. Where is the logical place to put it? What's the easiest thing I could slap on there to make a payment? My hand! Let's say I have no hands. What am I going to do? My knee? My elbow? No. My head. It's the easiest and most flexible part of my body if I don't have hands.

The name of the beast or the number of his name has been the subject of countless thousands of pages, codes, really crazy stuff. The mark of the beast is not going to be a mystery, it will be so obvious like the nose on your face. You're not going to miss it. When it comes you will know. They are going to say, hold out your hand we are going to put a mark their so you can buy and sell.

With this generation it so obvious to us today, there's the Verichip, of course, but the people of the past had no clue of the technology they were trying to envision.

Name of the beast or the number of his name.

Think about how you would represent your name in a computer. When I type in cockroach, and hit save, my name is recorded as a series of numbers. That's how computers record information.

Last part. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: for his number is six hundred threescore and six.

That's tough to do. But what I do know is this, the number of me, or man, there is no number more specifically you than your DNA.

There's nothing else about you that would be unchanging, even iris scanning, illness can change the shape of your iris. Even fingerprints, if you can burned, or get in a accident, in fact, masons who lay bricks can rub their fingerprints off. Facial recognition doesn't work because as you age your facial structure changes. The only real foolproof way of identifying you would be through DNA.

David.
12-11-2004, 07:31 PM
ban his IP already....

Roach
12-11-2004, 07:37 PM
You are a raving madman,,,,do you actually believe the crap you have just posted?

If God were your father, you would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

I have many things to say and to Judge of you, but he that sent me is true, and I speak to the world of those things which I have heard of him.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 07:37 PM
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David.
12-11-2004, 07:38 PM
If God were your father, you would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

I have many things to say and to Judge of you, but he that sent me is true, and I speak to the world of those things which I have heard of him.

what cracks me up about christians the most, is when they try to shove this crap down your throat it just furthers people from their religion. Yet they continue to do it. Blows my mind.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 07:38 PM
They're coming for you!

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Ugly Duck
12-11-2004, 07:43 PM
ban his IP already....I am so sick of people persecuting Christians!!! Let them be, let the Christians speak!! You never know know.... maybe barcodes are the Mark of the Devil!! Maybe True Believers will spontaneously fly off into outer space when the Rapture comes down!! Let the Christians speak, David, who the heck are you to say that burning bushes don't actually talk!!!

TheNextStep
12-11-2004, 07:45 PM
For the record, Duck, I'm not down with persecuting Christians either.

Sanctimonious, Holier-than-thou, crazy-as-bat-sh*t Whackjobs, however... well, I'm all for persecuting them.

David.
12-11-2004, 07:46 PM
I am so sick of people persecuting Christians!!! Let them be, let the Christians speak!! You never know know.... maybe barcodes are the Mark of the Devil!! Maybe True Believers will spontaneously fly off into outer space when the Rapture comes down!! Let the Christians speak, David, who the heck are you to say that burning bushes don't actually talk!!!

ROFL touche touche

Roach
12-11-2004, 07:51 PM
For the record, Duck, I'm not down with persecuting Christians either.

Sanctimonious, Holier-than-thou, crazy-as-bat-sh*t Whackjobs, however... well, I'm all for persecuting them.


Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...

Be all right. Be all write. Be all right.

God sent Moses to lead his people out. But pharaohs heart was hardened he thought would give them the route. So he chased them all down to the red seashore he didn't think he would have to worry about Moses anymore. But Moses stretched his rod out over the sea and the Lord answered Moses was a little gentle breeze. I can see Moses now, with a smile on his face, telling all the people with his gentle grace...

Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...

Be all right. Be all right. Be all right.

A little boy named David, went out to fight the Giant, and everybody laughed at such a funny little site, a little shepherd boy armed only with a sling, beside mighty Goliath, such a puny little thing. But David said you come to me with Spear and a Sword but I come to you in the name of the Lord, he put in the stone and he gave it a fing, and when it left his hand he began to sing..

Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...

Be all right. Be all right. Be all right.

And now for the greatest story of them all, Jesus was dying and hell had a ball, all the Demons were rejoicing they thought they had won the war, but soon they would not be laughing anymore. On that first Easter morning, as the sun woke up the Earth, the caverns of the deep opened up as to give birth, to a resurrected Savior, with healing in his wings, and now the host of children Rise and Sing...

Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...
Weeeeellllllllllllll III've got a feeling, everything is going to be all right...

Be all right. Be all right. Be all right.

Ugly Duck
12-11-2004, 07:57 PM
Wow.... Roach, dude.... you're even frightening me, and I'm a RaiderFan....

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 07:59 PM
(2x)
Ass, titties, ass 'n titties
Ass ass titties titties, ass 'n titties

(2x)
Big booty bitches that's where it gets
Come on, ho, let's go to the Easy Rest
When I see ass, titties, ass 'n titties
Ass, ass, titties, titties, ass 'n titties

(4x)
Ass, ass, ass, ass

(2x)
If you a light-skinned bitch that think you the shit
I can buy you, ho, 'cause bitch I'm rich
I see broke-ass hoes, broke-ass hoes
Broke-ass hoes, broke-ass hoes

(4x)
Hoes, hoes, hoes, hoes

(2x)
If you a freaky-dancin' ho, keep shakin' that shit
Let's see how you shake it on top of my dick
And you'll say "Assault, I'm cumming. Assault, I'm cumming.
"Assault, I'm cuming. Assault, I'm cumming."

(4x)
Cummin', Cummin', Cummin', Cummin'

(2x)
Stankin ass bitches that need to wash up
Don't get mad when I don't want to ****
You need soap and water, soap and water
Soap and water, soap and water

(4x)
Water, Water, Water, Water

KcMizzou
12-11-2004, 08:00 PM
ROFL

beavis
12-11-2004, 08:01 PM
He's nothing if not persistant.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 08:02 PM
He's nothing if not persistant.So was voyager.

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:02 PM
what cracks me up about christians the most, is when they try to shove this crap down your throat it just furthers people from their religion. Yet they continue to do it. Blows my mind.

victim mantra.

go bowe
12-11-2004, 08:03 PM
yeah, you gotta watch out fot those light-skinned bitches... ROFL ROFL ROFL

David.
12-11-2004, 08:03 PM
victim mantra.

ROFL

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 08:04 PM
yeah, you gotta watch out fot those light-skinned bitches... ROFL ROFL ROFLRead the Book of DJ Assault and all will be revealed, in due time.

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:04 PM
ROFL

I'd laugh too, if I was that thin skinned.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:05 PM
I'd laugh too, if I was that thin skinned.

ROFL

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 08:05 PM
victim mantra.Do you honestly deny that people like this arrogant, condescending assnugget do more harm to Christianity than any "EEEVILE sinners" or gayhomoqueers or satanists or athiests could ever do?

Roach
12-11-2004, 08:09 PM
Target Tests RFID for Security
The retailer is testing passive tags on products to enhance supply chain security.

By Mark Roberti

Dec. 10, 2004—Caroline Landwehr, global security strategies manager for Target, the Minneapolis-based retailer, says her company is exploring the use of passive RFID to help secure the supply chain, as well as to improve efficiencies.

"We believe that over the next two to five years, we will see a move from smart containers to smart cargo in smart containers," Landwehr said at the National Cargo Security Council RFID Seminar in Long Beach, Calif., this week.

Target has 1,313 stores, 22 distribution centers and three import warehouses. It is usually ranked either second or third in imports to the United States. (Wal-Mart is the largest importer, and Target and Home Depot vie for the second spot.)

Landwehr said that it costs companies approximately $300 in additional labor each time a cargo container receives a nonintrusive inspection and approximately $1,000 if the goods are unloaded for a thorough inspection.

Target is a charter member in Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism (CTPAT), a U.S. Customs and Border Protection program launched after 9/11. As part of that effort, Target worked with ADT Security Services to tag cartons of goods at a manufacturing facility in Manila, the Philippines. The cases were tracked through the supply chain to a deconsolidation point within the United States.

The project had several aims. One was to see if the technology could be used to reduce theft. "We thought we would be able to identify loss quicker in the supply chain because if the count is different at one load from the last, we can go investigate," she said.

Another aim was to create an electronic manifest, which is required by U.S. Customs 24 hours before a ship bound for the United States leaves a foreign port. And Target also hoped to learn how the technology could improve overall efficiency in the supply chain.

For the test, Target and its Manila supplier used passive Class 0 tags attached to cartons holding decorative household items. The tag's unique serial number was associated with a purchase order. And the goods were tracked through several nodes in the supply chain until they reached California.

Landwehr said that Target also used bar codes on the goods, and the RFID test was done in parallel with its normal bar code tracking systems. She said RFID wouldn't be fully integrated into Target's operations until the retailer has more information about the benefits, by examining the results of this test and conducting future tests

"Through projects like this, we are learning a lot," she said. "We are looking for real benefits and we think there is huge potential."

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 08:11 PM
I left alone my mind was blank
I needed time to think to get the memories from my mind

What did I see can I believe that what I saw
that night was real and not just fantasy

Just what I saw in my old dreams were they
reflections of my warped mind staring back at me

'Cos in my dream it's always there the evil face that twists my mind
and brings me to despair

The night was black was no use holding back
'Cos I just had to see was someone watching me
In the mist dark figures move and twist
Was this all for real or some kind of hell
666 the number of the beast
Hell and fire was spawned to be released

Torches blazed and sacred chants were praised
As they start to cry hands held to the sky
In the night the fires burning bright
The ritual has begun Satan's work is done
666 the number of the beast
Sacrifice is going on tonight

This can't go on I must inform the law
Can this still be real or just some crazy dream
But I feel drawn towards the evil chanting hordes
They seem to mesmerise me ... can't avoid their eyes
666 the number of the beast
666 the one for you and me

I'm coming back I will return
And I'll possess your body and I'll make you burn
I have the fire I have the force
I have the power to make my evil take it's course

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:12 PM
Do you honestly deny that people like this arrogant, condescending assnugget do more harm to Christianity than any "EEEVILE sinners" or gayhomoqueers or satanists or athiests could ever do?

Man can only answer for his own choices. His belief isn't harming Christianity, he's not responsible for how you feel about it. Christians are told to spread the word, it's people like David that assume the victim mantra, and try to make others responsible for his feelings on the matter.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:17 PM
Man can only answer for his own choices. His belief isn't harming Christianity, he's not responsible for how you feel about it. Christians are told to spread the word, it's people like David that assume the victim mantra, and try to make others responsible for his feelings on the matter.

ROFL

David.
12-11-2004, 08:20 PM
Man can only answer for his own choices. His belief isn't harming Christianity, he's not responsible for how you feel about it. Christians are told to spread the word, it's people like David that assume the victim mantra, and try to make others responsible for his feelings on the matter.

It's also great how hard you're trying to spread your word, as opposed to arguing and fighting with people who don't share your views.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:21 PM
it's people like David that assume the victim mantra, and try to make others responsible for his feelings on the matter.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if someone told me I am going to hell, i would probably hold that person responsible for my feelings of want to scissor kick him.

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:22 PM
I don't know if someone told me I am going to hell, i would probably hold that person responsible for my feelings of want to scissor kick him.[/QUOTE]

that's pretty funny how you would claim something you don't believe to be true.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:24 PM
David i am alot older than you. One thing holds true though, the older I get, the more i realize I don't know shit. Your a fresh at college. I am sure your going to be like what the hell was I thinking 90% of the time the next 4 years. If your going to get all touchy now, you won't be prepared when they are handing out bibles on your way to class.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:26 PM
that's pretty funny how you would claim something you don't believe to be true.

haha, suppose I call you a fat, ignorant, mongoloid. You would be offended even though it's not true.

Roach
12-11-2004, 08:28 PM
Do you honestly deny that people like this arrogant, condescending assnugget do more harm to Christianity than any "EEEVILE sinners" or gayhomoqueers or satanists or athiests could ever do?

http://www.oakparkch.org/life1.ram

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:28 PM
I don't know if someone told me I am going to hell, i would probably hold that person responsible for my feelings of want to scissor kick him.

that's pretty funny how you would claim something you don't believe to be true.[/QUOTE]

It was just an example that came to mind. I wasn't saying I believe or don't believe. Yeah I get pissed sometimes when people try to hand me a bible or something like that. I just want to say you have to save your battles. If you don't like what someone is saying don't listen.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:29 PM
David i am alot older than you. One thing holds true though, the older I get, the more i realize I don't know shit. Your a fresh at college. I am sure your going to be like what the hell was I thinking 90% of the time the next 4 years. If your going to get all touchy now, you won't be prepared when they are handing out bibles on your way to class.

I've seen those people and took the bible. Doesn't offend me that much. In fact, I don't think I became "offended" here. Maybe my posts come across more biting than they are supposed to though.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:31 PM
I've seen those people and took the bible. Doesn't offend me at all. In fact, I don't think I became "offended" at all. Maybe my posts come across more biting than they are supposed to though.

I was just pissed because they didn't even throw in the new testament. There's some good stuff in there.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:32 PM
I was just pissed because they didn't even throw in the new testament. There's some good stuff in there.

At least with them, they were offering them as opposed to barraging people to accept their faith aka Roach.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:33 PM
I was just pissed because they didn't even throw in the new testament. There's some good stuff in there.

One thing that pissed me off was that they were green. GREEN! My least favorite color. THOSE ASSHOLES!

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:33 PM
You can throw in random stuff on chiefsplanet, but if your reasonable and you actually read some of the veterans posts. You can learn information for your benifit. It was only after I just came here to jab people and secured my place as a drunkan asshole that I learned that *Banghead*

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:34 PM
haha, suppose I call you a fat, ignorant, mongoloid. You would be offended even though it's not true.


You suppose wrong.

David.
12-11-2004, 08:35 PM
You suppose wrong.

ha, right. Okay....how about I say Elvis was way overrated?!? Yeah, you're fuming now.

stevieray
12-11-2004, 08:38 PM
ha, right. Okay....how about I say Elvis was way overrated?!? Yeah, you're fuming now.

I'm not responsible for how you feel about Elvis.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:39 PM
I'm not responsible for how you feel about Elvis.

what if he liked elvis until he saw you dressed as elvis?

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:41 PM
oh then i suppose your responsible about the way he feels about you not elvis. Ok i have a headache now

David.
12-11-2004, 08:41 PM
what if he liked elvis until he saw you dressed as elvis?

YEAH what if?

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:42 PM
i just try not to dismiss anything on this board. If endelt has tought me anything is drunk and stupid IS a way to go through life :)

David.
12-11-2004, 08:42 PM
I'm done with quibbling with an elvis impersonator over mythology that I don't care about. This is stupid.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:43 PM
theology?

David.
12-11-2004, 08:44 PM
no, I had it right the first time. IMO anyways.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 08:46 PM
DAAAAAAAAAAAMNATION!

No donation, no salvation!

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:47 PM
no, I had it right the first time. IMO anyways.

well you were teetering on going to hell. You just jumped in head first

David.
12-11-2004, 08:48 PM
well you were teetering on going to hell. You just jumped in head first

ROFL I'm already in hell. Bronchitis during finals week.

Demonpenz
12-11-2004, 08:52 PM
I was close, had diarreah during midterms. I saw a really hard questions and really shit my pants

David.
12-11-2004, 08:53 PM
I was close, had diarreah during midterms. I saw a really hard questions and really shit my pants

:spock: thanks for sharing. I'm gonna go puke now ROFL

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 09:01 PM
Diarrhea sucks. So does:

Roach
12-11-2004, 09:16 PM
Lets pull this together

The mark of the beast, 666, a prophecy from 2000 years ago. It's a part of our culture, it's made its way into movies, books, songs, kids talk about it. How many people know that technological developments in the last 10 or 20 years are combining to make the mark of the beast a reality? First let me start off with this question. What is the mark of the beast? It has occupied the minds of Christian Scholars ever sense it was first written down 2000 years ago. Here's one of my favorite books, it's called. (The contribution of British writers between 1560 in 1830 to the interpretation of revelation 13:16 through 18). Three tiny little biblical passages and 330 pages of very dense scholarly research on just about a 250 year span of time on the piece of the globe. An extremely amount of human ingenuity and time and energy trying to interpret the meaning of these passages Revelation 13, 16 through 18. Sad to say, much of this is energy wasted because it came before its time. Hundreds if not thousands of scholars, thousands of pens to paper, to try to explain it, and yet, this is the first generation to actually understand the book of Revelation.Here it is then. "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."What does this mean to have a mark that you may not buy or sell? When I was little, my grandma and I had just got back from grocery shopping. And as we put the groceries away. She said, bedbug, sit down, I have something important I want to tell you.
"One day there will come a time you cannot buy or sell anything without a number, and it's called the mark of the beast." I'm glad she told me that because she died a year later.
She explained to me that this will be coming some point in the distant future. And as I looked across a kitchen I saw the merchandise, and I said... Grandma, even groceries? Even food? She said, especially food. That's how they're going to get people to sign up. Because if you can buy food, you can't survive. And that's what's going to cause the masses of humanity to sign up for this thing.
Now sitting in that little kitchen, I made the decision that I would pass this on to my grandkids, and their grandkids, and some day, thousands of years later, this prophecy would come to pass, and my descendents would know not to participate in this whole scheme of the mark of the beast. And the second decision that I made was that if it did happen in my lifetime, which seemed unlikely, because there were hardly credit cards or barcodes, if there were I hadn't seen them. At that time this seemed such an outlandish thing. I made a promise that if it did happen, I would get out my Bible and read very carefully. And I would know the words in the Bible were true. One of the things I liken this to, is that if someone would have set me down and said... Someday there's going to be a big purple flower, and it will cover two thirds of the sky, and when you see that you know that the prophecy is coming to pass. Unlikeliness of that would make you pay attention.
About five years ago studying supermarket loyalty cards, which I started studying because I found them annoying. I didn't like the idea of somebody tracking my every purchase through a piece of plastic. It began to occur to me that by presenting the piece of plastic on my supermarket loyalty card, that I was actually presenting a number in order to buy or sell. I suppose I was diong the same thing with a credit card to make a purchase, credit cards take a number and links that number into a database which is a numbered account, and pulls the money out and no real money changes hands.
The more I began to think about that the more began to think of all the cards in my wallet, and the fact that every single one of them contained a number and everyone was linked to a database and they all involve this information moving around through computers which is all digital information and the more I thought about that, the more my grandmother's words came back to me. And I started to say maybe it's time to pay attention a little bit to these numbers they are using to make purchases to buy and sell.
What I found as I began to look into numbered systems, is a huge movement afoot across the globe to move all payments towards numerical systems. And moving them toward mark systems.
Let's see how this particular piece of prophecy is coming true in a way it couldn't in 1970's. And definitely not 2000 years ago. First thing I want to draw your attention to here is he "forced everyone." In case that wasn't clear, the author actually clarifies it for us, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, I mean literally everyone. Now 2000 years ago identifying even the boundaries of planet Earth was not possible. There was continents that did not know the existence of other continents.
There were peoples in certain places they didn't now there were other people on the other side of mountain ranges. The idea of everyone on the planet being identified was pretty far-fetched. Now days we know that we can identify everyone on the planet. Watch everyone on the planet from satellites in space. And in fact, we are on the brink of having made contact or identifying every person on the planet. National Geographic 2003 August. Had a cover called (the hidden tribes of the Amazon), and in the hidden tribes of the Amazon it was explained that only 17 tribes were left uncontacted. The article was a bit ironic because it was about an Explorer who was trying to keep the hidden tribes hidden. And as you read the article and look at the pictures in the village, they all run and hide, and then later they try on their clothing, and that's around all the stuff. Someone who wants to keep these people uncontacted, is in fact, contacting them. He I believe the number they gave was a pocket of 1350 people uncontacted. In a few short years we will have contacted everyone on the planet, thanks to modern technology. That's the first piece, "everyone on the planet".
The second piece... small and great. Let's talk about identifying everyone on the planet. And linking them up with modern technology. Here in the United States, we all have telephones, cell phones, televisions, microwaves, TV, laptops, computers. We are hooked into the modern digital world. Many parts of the planet are not. They don't have the wiring, they don't have the infrastructure. They don't have the method of participating in the modern system of commerce where you scan your credit card, your loyalty card and use a number to make a purchase. Well, that's changed. There are companies out there, this particular company is called Gilad systems networks, and they have the picture of a hut in the middle of Africa with a satellite out in front of it. And Gilad is the company that says it's satellite networks have been preparing Africa. The principal is simple, wherever there's a patch of sky and exhaust list commodity in Africa, there is a seamless pathway for state of the art telephony and Internet activity. This is to meet the communication challenge of Africa where thousands of world communities lack terrestrial infrastructure or use unreliable overloaded outdated landlines. So not only do you need to identify everyone down to the last tribe in the Amazon, in order for this prophecy to become a reality, but you need to be able to get those people linked into a database or numbering system. That's now become a reality. You can now go to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro, Mount Fuji, or the deepest jungles of Africa, or the Amazon, and you can if you can find a clear patch of sky you can hook up a satellite system to link those individuals those indigenous people, into the computerized buying and selling network. There's two other companies to the same thing. Infosat, their news release Infosat and Precidia team up to bring point-of-sale capabilities to remote businesses. What's driving these satellite companies to go to these remote locations is the idea of being able to buy and sell in those remote locations using digital currency as opposed to local currency. Inmarsat is another. Inmarsat satellite services provide coverage for 98% of the planet with access to international dial-up telephone fax and data networks. Just last year I was In apple orchard an heirloom apple orchard where they had apples back to the time of Thomas Jefferson, it's incredible place, pretty much in the middle of nowhere in New Hampshire. But if you go into their little gift shop, rustic with saw dust on the floor, the building is probably 100 years old, there when the worn wooden counter is a brand-new gleaming state of the art credit card swipe machine. The same is probably true in the huts of Africa at this point.
Rich and poor.. rich nations have access to this technology too, speaking of the numbering system in digital commerce. What about poor countries? Gilad has a picture of where they actually taken a telephone which is the basis of the credit card swipe unit and they hooked it up again outside of a hut in Africa. It is technically feasible to identify everyone on the planet. And to link everyone using satellite technology. It's not just a satellite technology, it's also the Internet. And the con activity that Internet provides. The Internet is nothing more than of transmitting digital or numerical information over distances and linking it up and putting it in databases traveling at high speeds back and forth. You hook that up to a satellite and you got a Web as a good image. A network around the globe whereby all this information can move around. Without that it would not be possible at least not anyway I could envision to create a system where everyone had to have a number to buy or sell.
Free and bond... one of the things we will be talking about now, is a technology called radio frequency identification. Which is a way of using radio waves to transmit information about an individual's products items money any feasible item on the planet. And transmit data at a distance where can be picked up and read. There is a particular company called TSI. Which provides services to correctional institutions or prisons. And one of the things they have created, are monitoring devices that actually transmit digital information about individuals and where they go and what they do.
Free and bond... Or free and slave. Or imprisoned. "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Before you get to someone's right hand, you might want to get to their wrist. Have you heard of the mobile speed pass? The mobile speed pass is a handheld device that goes when your keychain it transmits using radio waves a number associated with you through the air which is picked up by either the cash register in the mobile convenience store, or by the gas pump. By pushing a button you can transmit information and you can make your payments without ever touching or taking out your wallet or credit card and your cash. Mobile has teamed up with Timex to put this tiny payment device that can beam over a distance in a wristwatch. In 1999, when I first started thinking about the mark of the beast and how numerical payment systems and what would have to happen to numerical payment systems using credit cards in order to evolve into the mark of the beast. One of the things I realized is that if you told people we would like you to implant your credit card under your skin in your right hand people might say no. But what if you told people you could lose a credit card, someone could rob you, why don't you strap it on your wrist and make things a little more secure. It won't fall off, people just can't grab it, people are already accustomed to wristwatches, so what an easy way to make that transition. In fact, when you think about prophecy create a couple guideposts for yourself. For me my guideposts started at an early age, if it became necessary to have a number to buy and sell groceries, I would pull out my Bible and take it seriously. What seems outlandish to you? Maybe an implant in your hand? In 1999 the mobile speed pass did not exist. And certainly not in a Timex watch. The precursor to putting it in your hand is putting in a watch a half inch away. Not only can you get these Timex watches with speed pass, but you can go on the Timex web site and you can buy one of these for 35 or 40 bucks. It looks just like regular watch. Isn't it interesting how easy these things slip in to what's called normal. I have to say the idea of carrying around a watch to make a payment while it may seem normal in this era of Bluetooth wireless modem con activity and computers, it doesn't seem like that big of a leap. But if you go back 2000 years ago and put yourself, or 100 years ago, and put yourself in a place of someone who never heard of a computer, who didn't even know what lay beyond the next ridge. And then you explain to that person how something slapped onto your wrist would be able to communicate a number over a distance which would be used to deduct an account which contained a number not gold, or jewels, or goats. But reduce the level of a number in some computer somewhere I think that person would look at you and say.. I don't get it. In the same way that these authors said I don't understand. But now it's so obvious it's not even a big deal. Of course, you just transmit the radiowave and make your payment was the big deal? Try to put yourself back into pre-technology era. There are no telephones. There is no way to travel. There are no airplanes. We don't know the Earth is round. We don't know. We don't know. At that point the idea of numbering everyone on the planet, much less using our wristwatch transmitting numerical data for purchase is nuts. None could buy or sell unless he had the mark.

What's happening today with buying and selling? What was the last time you were in a FedEx and tried to pay with cash? FedEx actually won't take cash. They only take credit cards. The last time I went to pick up my car from the dealer after it had been repaired I brought cash because I make all my purchases in cash, and they would not release my car, the cause, they could not make change. I got the exact change and came back, she said, it's after 5 p.m. I can't take it I have nowhere to put it, you have to use a credit card. It's becoming to the point now you almost even now I'm not saying a mark but there are occasions now without a number you cannot buy or sell. The number being your credit card. Try renting a car. Try checking into a hotel. Even though our cash says legal tender for all that's public and private.. if someone will stand and challenge they will either say OK, or strip that right off the cash. Another signpost for me was when the United States Post Office had a sign saying please pay with a credit card. Every single time I went to the post office a postal employee was saying, you know you can use your Discover or Visa card. And I said you guys are really pounding me over the head with this. They said, that the requirement, if we don't say that, we will lose our job.

Let's talk about loyalty cards. The guardian had the article "the spy in your wallet, what loyalty cards really mean." Loyalty cards may seem like a minor thing to worry about, but let me tell you why loyalty cards are critical to the creation of a global system. Of registering purchases of an individuals and requiring them to present number to buy or sell. Prior to about 1990 these cards were introduced. In 1990 a couple things were converging, the Internet was becoming fairly widespread into businesses in stores at point-of-sale of cash registers. They hooked up to the Internet so they could be real-time, in verification for example the up. You might remember they would have to skin your credit card or the metallic plastic device that was not wired to anything, and they would ask for ID. They had no way in real-time, they had to pick up the phone and slow everything down. They had no way of verifying the credit card was valid. Those of you who are a little older might remember that prior to the 1990s. There wasn't a system to wear credit cards were linked into the Internet, that didn't exist. Were they could actually transmit that data to real-time in some distant database and remove the money from your account in real-time none of that was possible. Now let me to you what the loyalty card did to completely revolutionize this. The loyalty card at the local grocery store was the first time that identity was being asked for in order to make a purchase but the identity was not being asked for as a method of payment was being asked for specifically because they wanted to know it. And what the loyalty card infrastructure did is create these enormous databases this huge infrastructure of databases that record people's names and everything they've ever bought at that store item by item orange juice brand buy orange juice brand can of Coke by can of Coke. The barcode change physical items into numbers, that was the first time humanity has ever converted physical items into numbers. So if I scan a can of Coke at a store its not going to say can of Coke, it's going to get the number off of their record the number in the database. That's what the barcode did. The shopper card or the loyalty card came along and turned and turned people into numbers. It was the first time we got linked together, people and things both numerical.
What would it take from the system we have in place now to absolutely require people to be linked up to their purchases. The loyalty cards have done a good job at this the last couple of years. In that the loyalty cards will bump up prices unless you have the card. And when you get the card you get the reduction in price. If you don't use the card you can pay up to 50% more for your grocery items. Comply or pay extra is the game today. At the last count 80% of America's households have signed up in those purchase registration programs. They are not savings programs. The prices are higher at the stores that have the cards in those that did not. That's because their database is unbelievably sophisticated and very expensive and a cost a lot of money to store all that data about you and your purchases.

Now 80% of people have got comfortable with the idea of having their every food purchase monitored. That's the first step in getting people accustomed to the idea of presenting identity in order to buy or sell. What would it take to make it mandatory that you must present identification in order to buy food? It's not like guns is it? It's not like fireworks or explosives. It's not really dangerous, food. How could it be possible that someone will require ID to buy food? Doesn't make sense. Unless, a terrorist gets a hold of a factory and puts poison in the baby food.
And the stringpeas are now toxic. The people who scan their loyalty card like dutiful obedient consumers have registered their purchase of the stringpeas in a database. So they get a phone call from the frantic public health official. You bought those peas last week and you got to throw them away their toxic! The people who didn't scan their loyalty card at a store, or like me, who refused to use that thing, those folks, unfortunately, would have some pretty tragic accidents. And people would die. It would be on every TV station. Beautiful six-month old baby who ate toxic peas. And at that point I could see Congress getting involved in saying.. Well, it's certainly not fair that people who live and nice neighborhoods and wonderful stores have these cards and get a chance to register their purchases. But these people who live other neighborhoods who don't have access to those kind of stores run the risk of a product recall. In fact, As Congress, I think we'll just make some appropriations, and say we will provide matching funds to all the stores who don't have the programs. We will help you out. It we will set it up so everyone who buys the string peas as an opportunity to register in a database. We won't make it mandatory or anything. We certainly want to give them that option if they like.
And then let's say down the road after that has sunken in three years, letting people get real use to the idea that good moms and dads scan their purchases with the credit card. Good moms record their purchases because good moms want to know if something's wrong with the food their feeding Jr. And insurance companies would say gee, if you're one of those moms who scans all your purchases will give you a break on your insurance, we will give you couple different incentives, and then down the road maybe only 5% don't participate like GOOD little moms and at that point Congress just says you know, it's just not safe. In fact, if you're not scanning your purchases and recording everything you're buying we will consider you a dangerous parent. Maybe we'll take your kids away unless you comply...
There's something out there called the fair tax act of 2003. Very popular. In the fair tax act of 2003 it would replace the income tax system with a sales tax system. It is the worst thing I have ever heard. First of all the income tax system is a wreck. It is invasive and forces its way into every aspect of our life. Even IRS cannot give solid advice as to what it is. Nobody can plow their way through it. But let me tell you how you don't want to reform it. You do not want reform it with a national sales tax. Here's why. From income tax to Global sells tax?. " Dissatisfaction with the current income tax continues to generate interest in broad-based tax reform. In particular, there is considerable interest in moving from our current income tax to a consumption tax... this comes from the think tank Cato Institute. They devoted a policy analysis paper back in 97 and took a look at what might be the problem with this. Putting aside revelation for a moment. Just looking at taxation. If you switch away from our current system which has graduated taxes people at the lower income scale don't pay any tax as opposed to the rich who pay a lot. The Robin Hood idea. If you switch to sales tax, let's say everybody's going to pay 25% sales tax from now on. That's a problem, because the rich only spend a small portion of their income every month. Say 2% to live. In the rest can go to funds and accounts in other places. It's not being spent and no taxes are being paid on it. The poor on the other hand by the time their two-week paycheck comes around they've already spent everything. And they would be paying 25% of all that. Solution. If I could identify who you were I could set your specific sales tax rate at the point of sale. Right at the cash register. If I identify orangeatheist is in a lower income bracket and you should be paying only 5% tax them by identifying you in real-time and looking you up in a database, and selling to you, I can only deduct 5% and send it straight to the government. On the other hand if I learned you LA Bronco you're making 500,000 year, I could say you need to be taxed at a 60% tax rate when you buy your new Porsche. That would solve all problems, Universal sales tax. Here's the problem. If you don't identify yourself at the point-of-sale and you don't pay your tax you will be breaking the law, you will be committing tax fraud. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You cannot collect $200. If we move to this system were I say here's me, I can verify certainly that's me, I didn't just borrow my friends ID, to say I am in the 5% tax bracket, but I presented something unique to me, something identified specifically from me, like a biometric, like a fingerprint, like an iris scanning, DNA sample, then you know for sure that I really am me. And I really do qualify for that lower tax rate. That's another way it would be possible to require identity in order to make a purchase.
A couple years back a official with the Federal Reserve Bank made a proposal something called the carry tax. I believe it was in 1999. His idea was cash should carry a magnetic strip, and as cash is issued from an ATM or bank it would identify the date. Keep track of the date it was issued. If you held one to it longer than a certain period of time it would begin deducting in value. In other words, your dollar might become worth $.99 cents, then $.98 after couple months. Let's say you took 3 $100 bills and you held on to them for year. And you take them to the bank. They say, oh yeah, that's worth $240 dollars. The rest goes to the federal government in tax. That was actually a proposal friends. It was met with a lot of unhappy responses in Congress. Not popular. But this has been floating around for longtime, the idea of tagging cash and tracking what it does.
Let's talk about how cash plays into his whole system of using numbers. Cash would seem to be the exception to that. There is a company called NTT, a Japanese company. They have developed an identification system using DNA. Similar what I was talking about.That would identify the exact individual making sure they were the right person they were claiming to be. Fully identified for a purchase. Well, their card actually has a little thing in the bottom right which is a DNA certification mark. And encoding mark actually representing a person's DNA. A couple months ago in England, one of the original discovers a DNA, was saying, I think it would be a good idea if we DNA everyone at birth and put that information on a card. So everyone would have their unique identifying number. Here's a quote from China. "Citizens will use the card(this is a national ID card with the Smart ship in it.) To identify themselves in many settings, when they make bank deposits, check into hotels, airports, and when they trade stocks." This is communist China. But you know what? It's sounding a lot like the United States at the moment.

Think about the last time you checked into a hotel, did they ask for your ID? They certainly asked for your idea in an airplane. Even the Greyhound buses are starting to require ID. Now why do they need to know that? What possible crime could I commit by just getting on the bus?

In the future of money summit, there are some fascinating things going on. The symbol is a little bit creepy, it is the pyramid. It's the pyramid on the back of our dollar bill. That's the pyramid associated with the total information awareness program. The department of defense initiative to know everything in every database about everyone. Every purchase. Every telephone call. Every bank deposit. The all seeing eye above the pyramid.

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I put this up here not because it's particularly unique, but because there are so many summits talking about the future of money. And what they all agree on is cash is going away and very shortly all purchases will be digital. That everything we do know will switch over to credit cards. Imagine cash is gone and we switch to credit cards. What would that mean? Think about all the cards n your wallet. Five, 10, 30.. it's a pain having to sift through all those cards. I call it searching for the three of spades. When someone says, do you have your Kroger card? At some point all those cards are going to get annoying, people are going to consolidate them into one smartcard.

Remember the driver's license modernization act? It would have put the smart computer-chip onto them. Instead of presenting your loyalty card you show your ID and your in like Flynn. The future of money will be smart chips, and even your medical history will be contained on it. Visa already does it hands-free. The bank one Visa card is equipped with a radiofrequency device that can be read at a distance in the store of the future. It will be possible for you to put all your items in a basket, get to the check out, and on the conveyor belt it would survey every tiny thing in your basket because of the radial frequency chips in the items, or RFID. And It would read your credit card information through your wallet, and at that point, you would have one such device in your wallet, and it wouldn't be competing with 10 different credit cards. It reads, you walk out.

A lot of people have told me about and ad a few years ago where this guy is stuffing things into his shirt, he's sneaking out the door to leave the store, and they go... Sir, Sir, you forgot your receipt. This is the idea of how we will shop in the future. We won't mess around with cash or money we will just walk out the door. And something associated with us would be sending enough information to make the purchase. The next generation loyalty card has antennas coming out from them. Which means your identity can be read at a distance of 20 ft., the minute you walk through the door of the store. And there are plans to identify and discriminate against anyone based on their value to the store. In England there are actually a couple stores that employ bouncers, and they are talking about using information about you, contained on this chip, that would be beemed out at a distance to even decide if they would serve you, and in some cases even let you in the door.

I had a dream I was looking at a entrance into a store; and there were many people standing outside the store unable to get in, and they were begging people to go in and buy items for them.

So using this technology, and using the store's current idea of discriminating against valuable and not valuable customers, maybe even offering them different prices, it would be possible in this world to say... Wait a minute, the last 10 times you came into the store you only buy items that were on sale, you cost us more than you made us. And you know what? The door is not going to open for you anymore. We will just read you and identify you just like we did on the way out, except now, we will do it on the way in.

So it is possible to use these devices to discriminate against people. This is being planned already. I have read the documentation.

Now about cash. If cash becomes embedded with tiny radio frequency devices. It's a tiny silicon chip, computer-chip, that contains a unique identifying number. They can be read at a distance by beaming electro-magnetic energy at it. It stimulates the chip hooked up to the antenna, the antenna magnifies a radio signal, sends back the number to the reader device, and enables it to be identified at a distance. If you put these into cash, what it means is, that every single bank note coming out of the Federal Reserve would have its own unique number. Now currently they have unique serial numbers, but there's no way to read them. And certainly not anyway to read them at a distance. If you do this with cash and you put unique identifying numbers as the cash comes out of ATM machine or as the teller hands it to you from the bank, or as the Wal-Mart cashier gives it back as change. That can actually be registered to you in a database. Meaning, that if you took that money, let's say we got to the point where we have this global sales tax, and you wanted to go to a yard sale, and you wanted to buy somebody's sailboat, and you gave them $300 bills for their sailboat, and you didn't pay the tax. Now remember, if we move to global sales tax, not paying sales tax on something would-be a huge crime. Now it's a minor crime, but in the future it will be a major massive crime. Because it will be the government's only source of income. Let's say you go to a yard sale, and you buy somebody's sailboat, you give them $300, and you don't register the cash, now he takes the $300 and tries to do something with it at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart would say, wait a minute, this wasn't registered to you. This wasn't any official transaction. Where did you get the money? You are under arrest. This is contraband.

If cash becomes identifiable and linked with individuals, the anonymity of purchases could go away, and our ability to make transactions the government doesn't know about would go away. Even if you just gave 20 bucks to your roommate, it's possible that it could come under suspicion. The excuse given for this, or the explanation for this is to stop counterfeiters. To track money launderers and drug transactions. Because of the big "underground economy" is where cash is changing hands and its not being recorded in a database. Right now, the push is to record all transactions. The government is very uneasy at the idea of money changing hands without their knowledge. Remember, this is even before we have a national sales tax. If it's that way now, imagine what it will be if we get a national sales tax. It will be the new drug war, where everything you do, will be scrutinized.


Now let's talk about the "verichip" implant. The verichip implant is a tiny RFID device containing a unique individual number showing who people are and information about them. The verichip, is currently produced by company called Applied Digital Solutions. They also make something called Digital Angel. The verichip is normally inserted into the bicep region of the arm. Not very many people have taken yet, because it gives people the creeps. The idea of the technology is once you have it in, you can be identified. If you ran into trouble someone can scan it, look you up in a database, and know who you are.

Imagine that we have a system now that they want to identify who you are, you got all your stuff in a key fob, a credit card, smartcard, or in your drivers license. If you lose it, you're in trouble. You then strapp it on your wrists, so we move to the next stage, now we have them on people's wrist. Someone comes along and steals your wristwatch, now you're really in trouble, because it's not just your wrist watch, it's your identity.

The next logical step would be to embedd it into your body, to prevent theft. They can't steal your arm, they can't steal your hand. Not only that, imagine how simple it would be when you're in the store, and you want to make a payment, and you walk up to the reader device, press your hand to it and walk out the door.

With one of these devices containing the same information you now present with your credit card, it would be very simple.

I can't emphasize enough how credit cards are a real problem. Because when you pay with a credit card, you're essentially paying with a number period. It goes out into the ether, nothing but numbers changing hands across the globe. Put that number in a chip, in a mark in your hand, and you're all set...

The company producing these chips is called alien technology. It has one of the creepiest logos I've ever seen. Most of imagery associate with this technology is quite dark. In a conference I intended several months ago there was a gentleman from Phillip Morris talking about this technology. He was talking to a bunch of global executives that deal with moving products around. He was telling them, when this comes out, when we have radio devices in everything, and we are tracking everything all over the planet, you're going to need to change the way you run your warehouse in your back room. Here's his statement. "This technology will destroy our way of life." The whole room went silent. I don't think he realized the symbolic thing he said. If we do number every human being, and every physical item through databases, and computer systems, it will destroy our way of life. There will be no more freedom. There will be no more privacy, or the ability to walk around, and even talk to other people freely because your every move will be monitored and tracked. These radio frequency devices have and are appearing in products, like Gillette razor blades, the purpose was shoplifting prevention, but the ultimate purpose is everything you buy will be identified to you. In essence, it would make it difficult in a world where there is a mark of the beast, and you have a brother in law that is willing to take a mark, and give you the stuff he buys so you can survive. In a world like that, if he bought a shirt and gave it to you, that sure could be tracked and a distance, and identified as you walk through a doorway, and they would say, you are not Taco John, in fact, we have identified you as the guy who's in trouble for not taking the chip. And now we are going to scan everything you are wearing and we will know where you got it.

One of the things that's going to have to happen globally, to identifying everyone, to linking everyone with satellite, databases, number payment systems, getting everybody using credit cards and ridding themselves of cash, is have it be universal and standardized. There is a massive push in industry and in retail to do just that. It's called, "Oneness" quoting from retail systems 2003 in Chicago.."oneness among system supply chain and business" The idea is everything will be standardized. There are Wal-Marts all over the world, Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer in the world by the way. Wal-Mart has the capacity to put almost all businesses out of business. There was a statement couple years ago in England, they said, "England was too small for three grocery chains." People talk about loss of biodiversity. I talk about loss of retail diversity. If you are over 30 think about how many grocery stores there were when you were a kid, how many department stores, or anything stores. I'm boycotting Wal-Mart and Target because of this RFID technology. There is no where I can go to buy basic things. I needed dish towels the other day, I had to rack my brain to think of somebody besides Wal-Mart and Target in my town. Imagine a world where Wal-Mart puts everyone out of business. Where are you going to shop? Even if the system stays open and there is no overt imposition, a overt rule that says you must, you're not going to have much choice. I must shop at Wal-Mart or Target if I want dish towels. If we live in a world where there's only a Wal-Mart, the whole world would be affected by the decision they made. If they make the rule, you must identify yourself to buy here, most of the world will have to identify themselves. How many of you have already given your zip code or phone number to make a purchase?

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, freed slave, to receive a mark when the right hand or in the foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name...NKJ


He forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in his right hand or in his forehead, so none could buy or sale save he that had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Prison guards and prisoners are wearing watches that are very similar to that Timex watch that I mentioned earlier. They are very similar to the Verichip implant that would be beaming out individual information capable of being tracked through that. They are tracking devices, and they have RFID in them. They keep track of the jailer and the jail equally. So, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or in his forehead. You know what, it doesn't make sense for me to have a verichip implanted in my bicep, I would have to lean over for them to just read it. Where is the logical place to put it? What's the easiest thing I could slap on there to make a payment? My hand! Let's say I have no hands. What am I going to do? My knee? My elbow? No. My head. It's the easiest and most flexible part of my body if I don't have hands.

The name of the beast or the number of his name has been the subject of countless thousands of pages, codes, really crazy stuff. The mark of the beast is not going to be a mystery, it will be so obvious like the nose on your face. You're not going to miss it. When it comes you will know. They are going to say, hold out your hand we are going to put a mark their so you can buy and sell.

With this generation it so obvious to us today, there's the Verichip, of course, but the people of the past had no clue of the technology they were trying to envision.

Name of the beast or the number of his name.

Think about how you would represent your name in a computer. When I type in cockroach, and hit save, my name is recorded as a series of numbers. That's how computers record information.

Last part. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: for his number is six hundred threescore and six.

That's tough to do. But what I do know is this, the number of me, or man, there is no number more specifically you than your DNA.

There's nothing else about you that would be unchanging, even iris scanning, illness can change the shape of your iris. Even fingerprints, if you can burned, or get in a accident, in fact, masons who lay bricks can rub their fingerprints off. Facial recognition doesn't work because as you age your facial structure changes. The only real foolproof way of identifying you would be through DNA.

KcMizzou
12-11-2004, 09:18 PM
Good lord... Yeah, I'll get right to reading that.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 09:20 PM
Uh... my backpack's got jets.

Skip Towne
12-11-2004, 09:23 PM
Good lord... Yeah, I'll get right to reading that.
Would you send me the Cliff Notes after you read it?

stevieray
12-11-2004, 09:28 PM
what if he liked elvis until he saw you dressed as elvis?

That's his choice. which has been the point all along.

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 09:29 PM
Would you send me the Cliff Notes after you read it?"If you don't buy garlic bread they will scan your reading brain mind control device with a cheese thing of help me the bees the killer bees amid the pimple fleet hat father time give back the geranium help. In summation, the big flap with the nuclear code for vault purposes is essential to maintaining double helix evil sinner monkeys' lack of attack, meaning one day we will all be under duress."

Roach
12-11-2004, 09:31 PM
http://www.spychips.com/what-is-rfid.html

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 09:33 PM
Would you care for some french fries?

Ultra Peanut
12-11-2004, 09:34 PM
Perhaps some Egyptians believe that you are incorrect, sir.

badgirl
12-11-2004, 09:41 PM
hey roach why would you bother posting all that crap? You know damn well 99.99% of the people won't read it. :shake:

KcMizzou
12-11-2004, 09:42 PM
hey roach why would you bother posting all that crap? You know damn well 99.99% of the people won't read it. :shake: I think Psicosis summed it up rather well...

badgirl
12-11-2004, 09:46 PM
QUOTE=KcMizzou]I think Psicosis summed it up rather well
well in that case I agree with Psicosis :p :)

Roach
12-11-2004, 09:52 PM
hey roach why would you bother posting all that crap? You know damn well 99.99% of the people won't read it. :shake:

O ye of little faith...

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

badgirl
12-11-2004, 09:58 PM
O ye of little faith...

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
sorry you don't please me :p but could I still prosper? :hmmm:

Roach
12-11-2004, 10:11 PM
sorry you don't please me :p but could I still prosper? :hmmm:

God have mercy on your DNA.

David.
12-11-2004, 10:11 PM
God have mercy on your DNA.

why isn't this guy banned yet? Is it phobia or something?

Ugly Duck
12-11-2004, 11:34 PM
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Uh oh... I think we may have we messed up bigtime, Planeteers. I think Roach might be Jesus - just look at the way He talks!! Ain't nobody but BIBLE people talk like that!! Ease up on the Roach smaq, for His wrath may be-eth upon you!!

Spicy McHaggis
12-11-2004, 11:43 PM
I'll be passing out tin foil hats at the game on Monday.

Bowser
12-12-2004, 12:00 AM
Your own
Pesonal
Jesus

Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares

Your own
Personal
Jesus

Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling alone
And you're all alone
Flesh and Bone
By the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliever
You know I'm a forgiver

Reach out and touch faith
Reach out and touch faith

HolyHandgernade
12-12-2004, 12:17 AM
I've got the origin of your 666, right here:

http://www.jesus8880.com/chapters/gematria/666-magic-square.htm

Ugly Duck
12-12-2004, 12:28 AM
When the risen Jesus (8880) is superimposed over the 6x6 gridwork of the Magic Square of the Sun some amazing things happen.

The circled numbers on the magic square form the Greek letter X which is the sign of Christ.
The circumference of each circle by calculation is 1480 units, the exact gematria value of the title Christ (CristoV = 1480)!
The sum of all the numbers in the field of the magic square of the sun (666) added to the sum of the numbers in the twelve Christ circles (222) is equal to the number of Jesus (888)!
Finally, the diagonal of each square that holds a Christ circle by calculation is 666 units!!
I have always suspected that the above was true. Now I know it as fact....

Bowser
12-12-2004, 12:29 AM
I have always suspected that the above was true. Now I know it as fact....

Who would have ever thought they would have come up with the idea of putting computer chips in your forehead way back then?

Ugly Duck
12-12-2004, 12:30 AM
Who would have ever thought they would have come up with the idea of putting computer chips in your forehead way back then?Oh.... uh.... I'm sure that there must be some explanation for that....

Ultra Peanut
12-12-2004, 06:15 AM
Your own
Pesonal
Jesus"I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothin', but I think Depeche Mode is a really sweet band."

I'll be passing out tin foil hats at the game on Monday.Slayer Andretti's got us covered...

Roach
12-12-2004, 11:39 AM
why isn't this guy banned yet? Is it phobia or something?

It's not about me, Dave. It's about the message.

O Lord you have overthrown those who rose against you, you set forth your wrath, it Consumed them like stubble. And with the blast of your nostrils the waters were gathered together the flood stood upright like a heap the depths congealed in the heart of the sea.

The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil, my desire shall be satisfied on them. I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.

But the Lord...

You blew with your wind, the sea coverd them, they sank like the lead in the mighty waters.

The Lord shall reign forever and ever...

Ultra Peanut
12-12-2004, 01:03 PM
THE END
IS EXTREMELY
****ING
NIGH

Logical
12-12-2004, 01:19 PM
It's not about me, Dave. It's about the message.

......

Hey Mods we need an exterminator we have a Roach infestation.

Ultra Peanut
12-12-2004, 01:36 PM
HAW HAW HAW!

Braincase
12-12-2004, 02:35 PM
Some Roaches are best left alone. Others need to be smoked.

chiefs4me
12-12-2004, 05:20 PM
O ye of little faith...

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Now you have crossed the line from raving madman to frigging loon,,,:cuss:

Roach
12-16-2004, 04:08 AM
Commercial rollout of contactless payments to occur as multiple issuers deploy 'millions' in '05
Wednesday, December 15 2004
A panel of ID industry experts provided predictions for 2005. One of these glimpses into the future will appear here each day during December.

by Mohammad Khan, President & COO, ViVOtech, Inc.

If 2003 and 2004 were the “pilot” years for contactless payments in the United States, 2005 is turning out to be the commercial roll out year, with several major deployments scheduled. Speed and convenience are the major driving forces for these deployments, but not the only factors. Increased transaction volume and transaction amounts along with “top of wallet” effects have been recognized in the pilot programs as clear benefits for retailers that predominantly deal with cash transactions and have long lines of customers at their check out lanes during peak hours.

A considerable number of national brand retailers will start accepting MasterCard’ PayPass, American Express’s ExpressPay or Visa Contactless cards/fobs at their store locations. To date, McDonald’s has already announced its acceptance of PayPass devices at all of its 13,500 fast food locations. Similar deployments are expected from other national as well as regional retailers.

Equally, multiple card issuers are planning to issue contactless payment cards/fobs by the millions in 2005 here in the U.S. Some of the issuers have a regional focus, and some plan to do a national roll out.

Branded retailers will also be expanding their loyalty card, gift card, and pre-paid card programs using contactless technologies. Some of these retailers are already preparing for such programs to start in 2005.

Besides retailer-specific deployment activities in 2005, there will be dozens of closed system contactless payment solutions targeting stadiums, universities, corporate campuses, and ethnic communities. Some of these developments already started in 2004, leveraging contactless technology.

Next year will also be exciting on two additional fronts. First, contactless payments are already being planned for pilots and limited roll-outs in Asia, Europe, and Latin America. Secondly, there will be multiple exciting pilots here in the U.S. and abroad using NFC-enabled mobile phones.

In short, 2005 will be an exciting commercial launch year for the contactless payment in the United States while the rest of world will get ready for theirs in 2006.


http://www.contactlessnews.com/news/2004/12/15/commercial-rollout-of-contactless-payments-to-occur-as-multiple-issuers-deploy-millions-in-05/

Ultra Peanut
12-16-2004, 07:24 AM
Shroom-poppin' lawn gnomes agree:

You're batshit insane!