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Frankie
12-12-2004, 12:24 PM
Peytard Manning is a couple of TD passes away from tying Dan Marino's once invincible single season record. With 3.5 games to go, he'll probably not only break the record, but DEMOLISH it. As much as I don't like him and his goofy-looking oblong head, I admit he is a damn good QB. However:

-Does he enjoy a much better set of receivers compared to Marino?

-Are today's offensive rules more benefitial to the QB Than in Marino's days?

(BTW, I'm sure glad the Chargers drafted that loser QB ahead of Manning. Or he'd be our modern version of Dan Fouts. :thumb: )

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-12-2004, 12:29 PM
No one will ever match the magical Elvis Grbac to Derrick Alexander connection....

Rain Man
12-12-2004, 12:33 PM
I think they had somewhat equivalent receivers. Harrison, Wayne, and Stokely versus Clayton, Duper, and Moore. Maybe Indy's got an advantage with Harrison, but Clayton and Duper were a strong starting pair.

LTownChief
12-12-2004, 01:33 PM
people are always trying to rain on other people's parades.

mlyonsd
12-12-2004, 01:44 PM
No one will ever match the magical Elvis Grbac to Derrick Alexander connection....
:)

mlyonsd
12-12-2004, 01:45 PM
I'd give Trent Green's left nut to have the Vikings reveivers.

chief52
12-12-2004, 01:52 PM
It is a totally different era in football now. The rules are MUCH more in favor of the offense than they ever have been. Playing in a dome has not hurt him either.

milkman
12-12-2004, 05:43 PM
I really think the rules have a lot to do with this.
I just don't believe that his struggles against the Patriots eveytime he faces them is any coincidence, since their DBs are allowed to bend the rules so much.

I would love to see how a Unitas or Hadl would have fared against these defences today.

In their day, the DBs were not only allowed to mug the receivers, but the O-Lines were much more limited in pass protect, so the QBs didn't have as much time to get rid of the ball as QBs do today, generally.

ChiefsCountry
12-12-2004, 06:50 PM
(BTW, I'm sure glad the Chargers drafted that loser QB ahead of Manning. Or he'd be our modern version of Dan Fouts. :thumb: )

Umm, the Colts picked Manning before the Chargers selected Ryan Leaf.

ChiefsCountry
12-12-2004, 06:51 PM
I'd give Trent Green's left nut to have the Vikings reveivers.

How about Carl Peterson's left nut instead?

Rausch
12-12-2004, 06:51 PM
-Does he enjoy a much better set of receivers compared to Marino?

Yes.

-Are today's offensive rules more benefitial to the QB Than in Marino's days?

Yes...

kansas hawk
12-12-2004, 08:21 PM
ummm he had Clayton and Duper i would not say Colts wideouts are better then they were. what he does have is a RB. poor Dan never really had that. and yes the rules now help but i don't see trent putting up numbers like that.

Saulbadguy
12-12-2004, 08:28 PM
Peyton has the better refs.

royr17
12-12-2004, 08:41 PM
Oh im going to get bit in the ass with this one, I like Petyon Manning as a QB, and the colts, if i wasnt a chiefs fan id be either a colts or a titans fan.

But i can promise you something i will follow the chiefs as long as they are in KC but if they move than im going to become a colts or a titans fan im not going to move with them.

There legacy is in KC and if they move than they demolish that legacy and i wont wanna go wherever they go.

Frankie
12-13-2004, 09:26 AM
Umm, the Colts picked Manning before the Chargers selected Ryan Leaf.

I seem to remember that they did have a choice and went with Leaf. It could be that the Colts had that choice. :shrug: Anyway, we got lucky there. Fouts seemed to have our number. Manning would have too.

Frankie
12-13-2004, 09:27 AM
Peyton has the better refs.
ROFL :clap: Rep.

Frankie
12-13-2004, 09:32 AM
ummm he had Clayton and Duper i would not say Colts wideouts are better then they were. what he does have is a RB. poor Dan never really had that. and yes the rules now help but i don't see trent putting up numbers like that.

Great point. Rep. I do think the Colt receiver situation is better than Marino's Dolphins by a very slight margin.

KingPriest2
12-13-2004, 09:36 AM
1984 Miami Dolphins
Record: 14 - 2 - 0
Head Coach: Don Shula

Points scored: 513 (#1 of 28 in the NFL)
Points allowed: 298 (#7 of 28 in the NFL)



1984 standings | 1984 team stats | 1984 league leaders | 1984 Pro Bowl rosters

1983 Miami Dolphins | 1985 Miami Dolphins




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Game-by-game results
+--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+
| Week | Opponent | Result | Score |
+--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+
| 1 | at Washington Redskins | W | 35-17 |
| 2 | New England Patriots | W | 28- 7 |
| 3 | at Buffalo Bills | W | 21-17 |
| 4 | Indianapolis Colts | W | 44- 7 |
| 5 | at St. Louis Cardinals | W | 36-28 |
| 6 | at Pittsburgh Steelers | W | 31- 7 |
| 7 | Houston Oilers | W | 28-10 |
| 8 | at New England Patriots | W | 44-24 |
| 9 | Buffalo Bills | W | 38- 7 |
| 10 | at New York Jets | W | 31-17 |
| 11 | Philadelphia Eagles | W | 24-23 |
| 12 | at San Diego Chargers | L | 28-34 |
| 13 | New York Jets | W | 28-17 |
| 14 | Los Angeles Raiders | L | 34-45 |
| 15 | at Indianapolis Colts | W | 35-17 |
| 16 | Dallas Cowboys | W | 28-21 |
+--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+


Postseason
AFC Divisional Playoff: won 31 - 10 vs. Seattle Seahawks
AFC Championship Game: won 45 - 28 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Super Bowl: lost 16 - 38 vs. San Francisco 49ers



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Team Offense
|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----| TOTAL
CMP ATT YD YPA TD INT ATT YD YPA TD YD
367 572 5146 9.00 49 18 484 1918 3.96 18 7064
NFL rank ---> 2 6 1 1 1 11 17 16 16 9 1

Team Defense
|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----| TOTAL
CMP ATT YD YPA TD INT ATT YD YPA TD YD
310 551 3604 6.54 22 24 458 2155 4.71 16 5759
NFL rank ---> 20 23 13 4 15 9 9 22 28 18 19


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Pro Bowlers: Bob Baumhower (dl), Mark Clayton (wr), A.J. Duhe (lb), Mark Duper (wr), Dan Marino (qb), Ed Newman (ol), Dwight Stephenson (ol).

Incomplete list of notable non-skill-position players:Bob Baumhower (dl), Doug Betters (dl), Kim Bokamper (lb), A.J. Duhe (lb), Roy Foster (ol), Ed Newman (ol), Dwight Stephenson (ol).


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Player Stats
These stats are almost complete

Quarterbacks
+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |
+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Dan Marino | 16 | 362 564 64.2 5084 9.0 48 17 | 28 -7 0 |
| Don Strock | 16 | 4 6 66.7 27 4.5 0 0 | 2 -5 0 |
+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+

Running Backs
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Woody Bennett | 16 | 144 606 4.2 7 | 6 44 7.3 1 |
| Joe Carter | 13 | 100 495 5.0 1 | 8 53 6.6 0 |
| Andra Franklin | 2 | 20 74 3.7 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| Eddie Hill | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| Pete Johnson | 13 | 68 159 2.3 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| Tony Nathan | 16 | 118 558 4.7 1 | 61 579 9.5 2 |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Wide Receivers
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Jimmy Cefalo | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 18 185 10.3 2 |
| Mark Clayton | 15 | 3 35 11.7 0 | 73 1389 19.0 18 |
| Mark Duper | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 71 1306 18.4 8 |
| Jim Jensen | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 13 139 10.7 0 |
| Nat Moore | 16 | 1 3 3.0 0 | 43 573 13.3 6 |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Tight Ends
+----------------------+----+----------------------+
| Name | G | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+----------------------+
| Bruce Hardy | 16 | 28 257 9.2 5 |
| Dan Johnson | 16 | 34 426 12.5 3 |
| Joe Rose | 9 | 12 195 16.2 2 |
+----------------------+----+----------------------+

Brock
12-13-2004, 09:38 AM
ummm he had Clayton and Duper i would not say Colts wideouts are better then they were.

Why not? Marvin Harrison by himself will finish his career with more catches, TDs and yards than both of those guys combined.

KingPriest2
12-13-2004, 09:41 AM
Passing Stats
Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sack/Lost Rating
Peyton Manning 418 288 3919 68.9 9.4 46 11.0 9 2.2 80 9/78 126.3
Jim Sorgi 4 1 7 25.0 1.8 0 0.0 0 0.0 7 0/0 39.6
Jeff Saturday 1 0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0/0 39.6


Rushing Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Edgerrin James 289 1395 4.8 40 8
Dominic Rhodes 39 201 5.2 55 1
Peyton Manning 22 41 1.9 19 0
James Mungro 5 19 3.8 8 0
Hunter Smith 1 2 2.0 2 0
Reggie Wayne 1 -4 -4.0 -4 0
Jim Sorgi 6 -7 -1.2 -1 0


Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Reggie Wayne 63 971 15.4 44 11
Brandon Stokley 58 936 16.1 69 9
Marvin Harrison 70 896 12.8 59 13
Edgerrin James 45 419 9.3 56 0
Dallas Clark 20 383 19.2 80 5
Marcus Pollard 27 275 10.2 26 6
Dominic Rhodes 2 24 12.0 20 0
James Mungro 4 22 5.5 16 2

Cochise
12-13-2004, 09:46 AM
Lot of Manning haters out there right now. I wonder what they will say when he retires with better numbers than Marino :hmmm:

KingPriest2
12-13-2004, 09:46 AM
Sir Manning has a great RB behind him. Supposedly Sir Manning is great at play action. Think for a minute if Sir Manning did not have that benifit where would he be? Marino did not have a great RB What would he been like if he had one.

Also Sir Manning has 3 terrific WRs, Marino only has two. Harrison is superior to Clayton and Duper but they are superior to Wayne and Stokely.

Tight Ends Equal.

Brock
12-13-2004, 09:49 AM
Also Sir Manning has 3 terrific WRs, Marino only has two. Harrison is superior to Clayton and Duper but they are superior to Wayne and Stokely.

That statement make no sense at all.

Cochise
12-13-2004, 09:52 AM
That statement make no sense at all.

Consider the source

htismaqe
12-13-2004, 09:54 AM
ummm he had Clayton and Duper i would not say Colts wideouts are better then they were. what he does have is a RB. poor Dan never really had that. and yes the rules now help but i don't see trent putting up numbers like that.

Clayton and Duper were good, but there's a reason that Wayne, Stokely, AND Harrison are doing something that has NEVER been done before (3 WR's on the same team with 10 TDs each)...

KingPriest2
12-13-2004, 09:57 AM
Consider the source


:hmmm:

KingPriest2
12-13-2004, 10:00 AM
That statement make no sense at all.


Yeah it does.

All What I am saying is Harrison is the cream of the top. He is better then Clayton and Duper.

If there were a choice between Clayton and Duper and Stokely and Wayne, I would pick Clayton and Duper because I feel they are better then Stokely and Wayne. But they are still terrific WRs

Frankie
12-13-2004, 10:03 AM
But i can promise you something i will follow the chiefs as long as they are in KC but if they move than im going to become a colts or a titans fan im not going to move with them.

Actually I was going to start an official thread/petition for the Hunts to relinquish the name "Chiefs" and leave it and the uniform in KC (ala Cleveland), if they ever move the team. I would immediately jump on the bandwagon of the next KC NFL team, as long as they are named Kansas City Chiefs, and sport the same uniform. Plus, I can't think of any other city that, combined with "Chiefs," would sound so good.

(Baltimore Colts and St Louis Cardinals still sound a lot more right than their current editions.)