View Full Version : Food for thought, possible Pres-Elect, the Gov. of TX
Warrior5
11-13-2000, 02:40 PM
Just read an interesting article about executions of foreign-born criminals in the US. Any person arrested in the US who was born in another country is entitled to notify their home nation's condulate for legal assistance, under an International Treaty.
The article lists some examples where the US has violated this treaty, one of which is a Mexican born man on death row in TEXAS, scheduled for execution later this month.
This brings up a very interesting scenario, where the President-elect (were the current ballot fiascos to be resolved in Bush's favor), as the current Governor of the state, could allow the violation of an International Treaty. We all know GWB Jrs' track record for no pardons in death row cases.
Anyway, food for thought...
http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/11/13/germany.v.us.pol/index.html
ct
Cory,
Ah, I need to point out something else.
During the time in question (when his consulate wasn't contacted), the accused claimed US citizenship and denyed citizenship in another country.
There is no International incident here.
Luz
just more of the game...
Warrior5
11-13-2000, 03:01 PM
You choose to continue the game, where the game is not intended.
The claims were that the State of Arizona WAS aware, even though both brothers claimed US citizenship, that they were born abroad. Is it true? Hell if I know...
What really matters, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, is ALL US states realize that compliance, at the international level, should take precidence over individual state 'uniqueness'.
And believe me, were Al Gore the current Gov. of TX, and GW Jr the current VP, I would still ask this same question:
Will the Gov of TX, were he to become the US President-elect, stay the execution of a foreign born inmate, to ensure compliance of an international treaty? Should he?
ct
milkman
11-13-2000, 03:08 PM
Cory - The question is by claiming US citizenship if they gave up the right to contact any other country they might also claim citizenship of? It would sound as if since we know about it that Mexico might know about it as well and do they seem to care one bit about this criminal?
I have a feeling he claimed to be a US citizen because he didn't want to go back to the Mexican prision system, probably better to die here then there.
Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
11-13-2000, 04:24 PM
And here's the TDCJ information on this fine young man.
<a href="http://tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/floresmiguel.htm">Flores, Miguel Angel</a><BR>
Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
11-13-2000, 04:27 PM
And you can express your sympathy for his terrible plight by addressing your mail to:
Miguel Angel Flores 983
Terrell Unit D.R
12002 FM 350 South
Livingston Texas
77351 USA <P>
Warrior5
11-13-2000, 04:36 PM
Obviously, nobody else finds the irony this guy in on death row in Texas, whose Governor IS the US President-elect.
Too bad, I thought it was rather interesting...
ct
guess it was just me
Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
11-13-2000, 04:38 PM
Sorry...Bob Dole has just become immune to all the Texas Death Penalty stuff.
http://www.tigger.tamut.edu/MIS430001/slent/W2ktexecutioner.gif
Gracie Dean
11-13-2000, 05:58 PM
Anyone that feels this man has had his rights violated is free to picket outside the gates in Huntsville the night & preceding days of his execution. If someone is REALLY that concerned over it, I would expect them to be there expressing their freedom of speech.
For the record, if you publically or otherwise denounce your citizenship in this or any other country, you are legally no longer a citizen. While under questioning, he said he was not a citizen of any other nation and in fact claimed to be a US citizen. I'm nearly certain he signed documents stating such as well. Done deal! Now he wants to squiggle out over a loophole. Too damn bad. Shoulda thought about that prior to kidnapping, raping, & murdering a helpless young woman in the prime of her life.
Cory,
I want to attempt to answer your original question...
It is my understanding that there will be no breaking of international law.
Also, we should also be aware that international law DOES NOT superceed State law. As a matter of fact, international law doesn't even superceed US law.
Luz
just for the record...
morphius
11-13-2000, 09:21 PM
Interesting...a topic that even questions the integrity of Dubya gets 9 replies, while silly, paranoid topics about the downfall of our country due to an election receive 70-80 replies. Gee, I wonder if conservatives outnumber liberals on this BB?
I demand a recount!
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