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Coogs
12-16-2004, 09:33 AM
http://www.gbnreport.com/2005projection.htm

San Francisco *Aaron Rodgers QB California
2 Miami *Matt Leinart QB Southern California
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4 Arizona Cedric Benson RB Texas
5 Tennessee Derrick Johnson LB Texas
6 Washington *Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College
7 Oakland *Mike Williams WR Southern California
8 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams RB Auburn
9 Chicago Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
10 New Orleans *Rodrique Wright DT Texas
11 Houston Alex Barron OT Florida State
12 Detroit Antrel Rolle CB Miami
13 Dallas Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
14 San Diego (from NY Giants) Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
15 Kansas City Marcus Spears DE LSU
16 St. Louis *Thomas Davis FS Georgia
17 Carolina Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
18 Cincinnati Travis Johnson DT Florida State
19 Seattle Elton Brown OG Virginia
20 Minnesota Shaun Cody DT Southern California
21 Dallas (from Buffalo)Minnesota Matt Roth DE Iowa
22 Jacksonville David Pollack DE Georgia
23 Denver *Heath Miller TE Virginia
24 Green Bay Charlie Frye QB Akron
25 Baltimore Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
26 New York Jets Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
27 Atlanta Wesley Britt OT Alabama
28 San Diego *Andrew Whitworth OT LSU
29 Indianapolis *DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
30 New England Michael Munoz OT Tennessee
31 Philadelphia Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
32 Pittsburgh *Adam Jones CB West Virginia


Second round 33 Philadelphia (from Miami) Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee
34 San Francisco Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
35 Cleveland *Marcus McNeill OT Auburn
36 Tennessee Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
37 New Orleans (from Washington) Corey Webster CB LSU
38 Oakland *Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
39 Arizona *Will Blackmon CB Boston College
40 Chicago Alex Smith TE Stanford
41 Green Bay (from New Orleans) Donte Nicholson SS Oklahoma
42 Houston *Orien Harris DT Miami
43 Detroit David Baas OG Michigan
44 Dallas Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
45 New York Giants Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham
46 Kansas City *Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
47 Tampa Bay Vincent Jackson WR Northern Colorado
48 Carolina *Max Jean-Gilles OT Georgia
49 Cincinnati Adam Terry OT Syracuse
50 St. Louis Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
51 Minnesota *Odell Thurman LB Georgia
52 Buffalo C.J. Brooks OG Maryland
53 Jacksonville *Winston Justice OT Southern California
54 Seattle Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
55 Green Bay Chris Canty DE Virginia
56 Baltimore J.R. Russell WR Louisville
57 Denver Mike Patterson DT Southern California
58 New York Jets Taylor Stubblefield WR Purdue
59 San Diego *Chris Henry WR West Virginia
60 Indianapolis Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
61 Atlanta Terrance Murphy WR Texas A&M
62 New England Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
63 Philadelphia *Frank Gore RB Miami
64 Pittsburgh Michael Boley LB Southern Mississippi

Tuckdaddy
12-16-2004, 09:37 AM
I can live with that.

Coogs
12-16-2004, 09:38 AM
I can live with that.

That is what I was thinking.

jAZ
12-16-2004, 09:42 AM
I'll be pissed if Rolle drops to within 3 spots of us, and we aren't trading up to get him.

alpha_omega
12-16-2004, 09:42 AM
If Rolle is still there at 12...we'd better find a way to get up there!!!!

shaneo69
12-16-2004, 09:44 AM
Too bad we beat Tennessee......we could've had Derrick Johnson. :)

Chiefnj
12-16-2004, 09:45 AM
Horrible.
The only member of the current Chiefs DL who can consistently generate pressure is Allen. With Sims falling way short of his draft status, Browning being long in the tooth, Siavii being raw and inexperienced and only Dalton doing his job in the middle, the Chiefs need a bookend who can pressure the QB. If you want an end who is going to stay home and help stop the run, grab one in the later rounds.


Looking at who is still available in round 1 I'd rather have Pollack or Davis.

Fat Elvis
12-16-2004, 09:46 AM
Yeah. Marcus Spears V 2.0.

I wonder if this guy can wave a towel as well as the last one.

Coogs
12-16-2004, 09:49 AM
Looking at who is still available in round 1 I'd rather have Pollack or Davis.

There are a lot of guys I would rather have. But I could live with this one. At least it is not a WR in the first.

Chiefnj
12-16-2004, 09:51 AM
There are a lot of guys I would rather have. But I could live with this one. At least it is not a WR in the first.


Why do you think Spears is a good fit for KC??

Coogs
12-16-2004, 09:55 AM
Why do you think Spears is a good fit for KC??

I'm just thinking more along the lines of DE and CB in the first two rounds. Like I said, there are a lot of other guys I would rather have, but a DE in the first wouldn't be all bad IMO.

jiveturkey
12-16-2004, 09:57 AM
Where is Ahmad Brooks at?

They have him listed as the 13 best player in the country but he's no where to be found in the first 2 rounds???

shaneo69
12-16-2004, 10:00 AM
Where is Ahmad Brooks at?

They have him listed as the 13 best player in the country but he's no where to be found in the first 2 rounds???

Maybe he's staying in school.

tyton75
12-16-2004, 10:02 AM
if we are going to get a DE.. I'd rather have Eramus James

but thats just how I roll... (its fun to talk street!)

Mr. Laz
12-16-2004, 11:03 AM
I'll be pissed if Rolle drops to within 3 spots of us, and we aren't trading up to get him.

trading up... ROFL ROFL ROFL

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2004, 12:03 PM
I hate to say it but offensive tackle might be the way to go in the draft, as we keep slipping farther down. That is a bigger need than alot of people think.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2004, 12:06 PM
offensive tackle might be the way to go in the draft


:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Coogs
12-16-2004, 12:09 PM
I hate to say it but offensive tackle might be the way to go in the draft, as we keep slipping farther down. That is a bigger need than alot of people think.

:shake:

An eventual replacement for Roaf over 7 or so top priority defensive immediate replacements would be unexceptable IMO.

royr17
12-16-2004, 12:23 PM
:shake:

An eventual replacement for Roaf over 7 or so top priority defensive immediate replacements would be unexceptable IMO.

Dont yall guys know they are already grooming Jordan Black to replace Roaf, and dont be surprised if Kevin Sampson doesnt replace Welbourn, and Brett Willimas has been moved to guard.

royr17
12-16-2004, 12:24 PM
So the more logic would be is to get a defense and than offensive liine help.

HolmeZz
12-16-2004, 01:00 PM
I'd be pissed off with that draft. I'd much rather have both of Pittsburgh's picks, and they'd draft about 15 spots behind us.

Coogs
12-16-2004, 01:28 PM
I'd be pissed off with that draft. I'd much rather have both of Pittsburgh's picks, and they'd draft about 15 spots behind us.

That would work too. Heck, there are about 6 or 7 positions on the defense that could be adressed in the first two rounds, and I wouldn't complain one bit.

In no particular order...

LDE
ROLB
MLB
LOLB
RCB
LCB
FS

nmt1
12-16-2004, 01:31 PM
That would work too. Heck, there are about 6 or 7 positions on the defense that could be adressed in the first two rounds, and I wouldn't complain one bit.

In no particular order...

LDE
ROLB
MLB
LOLB
RCB
LCB
FS

Just curious, do you think any player we draft in the first round will start week one 2005?

Coogs
12-16-2004, 01:38 PM
Just curious, do you think any player we draft in the first round will start week one 2005?

Probably at WR! :banghead:


Seriously, yes. If we can't draft any players who can start on this defense..... ranked 31st in yardage, and tied for last in points allowed.... then something is seriously wrong at Arrowhead. Oh.... wait a minute.... never mind... :sulk:

nmt1
12-16-2004, 01:45 PM
Probably at WR! :banghead:


Seriously, yes. If we can't draft any players who can start on this defense..... ranked 31st in yardage, and tied for last in points allowed.... then something is seriously wrong at Arrowhead. Oh.... wait a minute.... never mind... :sulk:

I understand your point and it makes sense but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. IIRC, Sylvester Morris was the last rookie 1st round pick to start from day one. There are so many things that go into getting that player in camp and then on the field. Gonzales didn't start his first season. Granted some of our rookies have been hampered by injury and many have been set back by holdouts.
I'm not as optimistic as some about our 1st rounder starting the first game next season.

Chiefnj
12-16-2004, 02:04 PM
Just curious, do you think any player we draft in the first round will start week one 2005?

Excellent question. IMO, no, not as a named starter. I think a WR like Braylon Edwards could be a third WR and get some playing time in week one. I think a DE like Pollack could come in on passing situations in week 1. I think a CB like Marlin Jackson could be a nickel back on week one.

All of that is assuming the guy gets in camp on time. But overall, I don't think DV is to keen on starting young guys barring an injury to a vet.

AustinChief
12-16-2004, 02:06 PM
The "steal" of this draft could be Marlin Jackson... I think he is far and away the best pure CB in the draft (same size and skills as Rolle but faster)

The reason he may drop is due to an "off" year last year when they switched him to Safety due to injuries and the fact that the other CBs on the team had no clue how to play safety... a good move for the team but it really hurt Jackson.

If he is on the board (doubtful) when we pick.. I will be SORELY disappointed if we passed on him.

--Kyle

P.S. I KNOW that Carl will want him... he did play at least one season as a safety!

Chiefnj
12-16-2004, 02:10 PM
The "steal" of this draft could be Marlin Jackson... I think he is far and away the best pure CB in the draft (same size and skills as Rolle but faster)

The reason he may drop is due to an "off" year last year when they switched him to Safety due to injuries and the fact that the other CBs on the team had no clue how to play safety... a good move for the team but it really hurt Jackson.

If he is on the board (doubtful) when we pick.. I will be SORELY disappointed if we passed on him.

--Kyle

P.S. I KNOW that Carl will want him... he did play at least one season as a safety!

He also broke a bottle over someone's face over the summer which may boot him from the "profile."

Coogs
12-16-2004, 02:14 PM
He also broke a bottle over someone's face over the summer which may boot him from the "profile."

Sounds just like the kind of guy our defense could use.

AustinChief
12-16-2004, 02:52 PM
He also broke a bottle over someone's face over the summer which may boot him from the "profile."

Actually that was the "charge".. he ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor assault charge... ststing that he punched the guy and was sorry and hoped the guy was alright. I really have no problem with that depending on the circumstances.

"What I do know, Marlin has told me, No. 1, he did not initiate the confrontation, and No. 2, and in my judgment the most critical issue, he is adamant, he did not use or have possession of a bottle or any kind of an object," Carr said Saturday at a news conference. "There's compelling evidence that supports his position."

nmt1
12-16-2004, 02:55 PM
Excellent question. IMO, no, not as a named starter. I think a WR like Braylon Edwards could be a third WR and get some playing time in week one. I think a DE like Pollack could come in on passing situations in week 1. I think a CB like Marlin Jackson could be a nickel back on week one.

All of that is assuming the guy gets in camp on time. But overall, I don't think DV is to keen on starting young guys barring an injury to a vet.

I could see all those scenarios.
The reason I ask the question is many around here are counting on players we draft in the first and second rounds to "fix" weak positions on the team. If you do that, you end up drafting for need and not picking the best players on the board. Then, IMO, you don't improve the team as quickly as you could.
We all know we need defense but even if we spent all our picks on defense, drafted the right guys, and signed 3-4 free agents, how quickly is it all going to come together? I think it's a point that some are overlooking.

Chiefnj
12-16-2004, 03:11 PM
I could see all those scenarios.
The reason I ask the question is many around here are counting on players we draft in the first and second rounds to "fix" weak positions on the team. If you do that, you end up drafting for need and not picking the best players on the board. Then, IMO, you don't improve the team as quickly as you could.
We all know we need defense but even if we spent all our picks on defense, drafted the right guys, and signed 3-4 free agents, how quickly is it all going to come together? I think it's a point that some are overlooking.


I agree with you. The Chiefs aren't going to get their first three draft picks (even if they are defense) on the field and starting in week one. I would be surprised if two defensive draftpicks even got in on 50% of the snaps in week 1.

My offseason FA plan would be to pursue Lucas and Hartwell (in that order), resign Fujita and possibly sign Donovan Darius.

I think the three new free agents could come in and play by week 1; although Hartwell would struggle coming from a 3-4.

el borracho
12-16-2004, 03:31 PM
Under this scenario the Chiefs could jump up a few spots in the first to get Rolle (CB), or Jackson (CB) and still get Canty (DE) in the 2nd. That would be sweet! We could also jump up to get James (DE) in the first.

Logical
12-16-2004, 03:39 PM
I could see all those scenarios.
The reason I ask the question is many around here are counting on players we draft in the first and second rounds to "fix" weak positions on the team. If you do that, you end up drafting for need and not picking the best players on the board. Then, IMO, you don't improve the team as quickly as you could.
We all know we need defense but even if we spent all our picks on defense, drafted the right guys, and signed 3-4 free agents, how quickly is it all going to come together? I think it's a point that some are overlooking.
Great so if a TE or RB is the best player on the draft board you want the Chiefs to take him. This kind of thinking will lead to continued failure at 1 Arrowhead Drive. A team needs to evaluate their top 3 positional needs and then take the best available player for one of those three positions when their pick arrives. Especially in the first and 2nd round.

I do not expect it to come together this next season. Which is why I was so pissed we wasted the last offseason.

CanadaKC
12-16-2004, 06:28 PM
NFLDraftBlitz has us taking CB Justin Miller from Clemson over Marlin Jackson . Anyone with news on this guy? I think he's an underclassman.