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Taco John
12-16-2004, 06:40 PM
Just a question... Is Rich Scanlon the new pre-2003 Dante Hall or something?

I see a repeating pattern here, and I want to follow it. What's the story on this guy?

Dartgod
12-16-2004, 06:42 PM
http://www.4abasket.com/gliders/worms.gif

Ari Chi3fs
12-16-2004, 06:42 PM
rep for dart... nice pic... saving for future reference.

Taco John
12-16-2004, 06:44 PM
http://www.4abasket.com/gliders/worms.gif



I take it by that answer that he is, in fact, the pre-2003 Dante Hall... so to speak. You guys were ruthless with Dante ('cept a small few).

Let me guess... Dick Vermiel project.

FloridaChief
12-16-2004, 06:44 PM
There is no story here. There is no Rich Scanlon. He does not exist.

Taco John
12-16-2004, 06:46 PM
There is no story here. There is no Rich Scanlon. He does not exist.



These are not the droids you are looking for.

Spicy McHaggis
12-16-2004, 06:47 PM
He can go about his business.

David.
12-16-2004, 06:48 PM
he is a practice squad phenom nobody....kinda like Jake should be :hmmm:

FloridaChief
12-16-2004, 06:51 PM
These are not the droids you are looking for.

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http://www.misetings.com/gallery/albums/userpics/jedimindtrick.jpg

Iowanian
12-16-2004, 06:53 PM
Not Dante Hall.........and this point.....He's more circa ...Jesse Haynes Jesus

BigVE
12-16-2004, 06:54 PM
This was the "insider" pick to be the savior of our defense this year, it turned into an ongoing joke because of a certain persons extreme love for this guy and it just turned into an ongoing and oft repeated joke...kind of like you and your gay porn fetish, right?

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 06:55 PM
he is a practice squad phenom nobody....kinda like Jake should be :hmmm:
Thats the thing he is not even a practice phenom

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 06:55 PM
Dick Vermiel project.
Not one of those either.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Wilson for MLB!!

Taco John
12-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Ahhhh... So I was off... Not a Dick Vermiel project so much as another posters insane fetish for the guy...

ANy guesses on if it will ever pay off for said poster like it did for the Senator?

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 06:59 PM
Ahhhh... So I was off... Not a Dick Vermiel project so much as another posters insane fetish for the guy...

ANy guesses on if it will ever pay off for said poster like it did for the Senator?
Let me put it this way. Do you realize how bad our MLB has been palying?

He is not good enough to beat him out.

But alas, the above opinion is just that...

BigVE
12-16-2004, 06:59 PM
Um....Im guessing.....nope.

FloridaChief
12-16-2004, 07:02 PM
Let me put it this way. Do you realize how bad our MLB has been palying?

He is not good enough to beat him out.

That, and Scanlon is never mentioned during press conferances unless specifically asked about. Not a good sign during the Vermeil era...

BigVE
12-16-2004, 07:02 PM
AND, he isnt mentioned on any radio call-in shows unless a certain person calls in and pimps him.

alanm
12-16-2004, 07:10 PM
Let me put it this way. Do you realize how bad our MLB has been palying?

He is not good enough to beat him out.

But alas, the above opinion is just that...Just keep thinking Barret Ruud-MLB-Nebraska, Barret Ruud-MLB-Nebraska :thumb::D

Skip Towne
12-16-2004, 07:24 PM
Just keep thinking Barret Ruud-MLB-Nebraska, Barret Ruud-MLB-Nebraska :thumb::D
Was he the MLB when the Huskers got beat 70-7?

stumppy
12-16-2004, 07:25 PM
Was he the MLB when the Huskers got beat 70-7?

If so, he should fit right in.

royr17
12-16-2004, 07:31 PM
The story on him is that he's gonna kick some DONKEY ASS this week. :thumb:

Skip Towne
12-16-2004, 07:34 PM
If so, he should fit right in.
That's what I was thinking.

Saulbadguy
12-16-2004, 07:37 PM
He is a piece of shit.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 07:37 PM
Scanlon's a practice squad scrub. He was elevated to the gameday roster because of injuries.

A few dipshits saw him make a play or two in preseason against some other team's scrubs.

Now they all have "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome with Kawika Mitchell vs Rich Scanlon.

Brando
12-16-2004, 07:55 PM
Scanlon's a practice squad scrub. He was elevated to the gameday roster because of injuries.

A few dipshits saw him make a play or two in preseason against some other team's scrubs.

Now they all have "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome with Kawika Mitchell vs Rich Scanlon.

He led the team in tackles in a couple of the pre-season games you plumb smuggling fool. I think that the more important question is, what is Dick Vermeil's love affair with Mitchell. You would think that Dick was Natalie Portman and Mitchell was Anifag Skywalker.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 07:59 PM
He led the team in tackles in a couple of the pre-season games you plumb smuggling fool. I think that the more important question is, what is Dick Vermeil's love affair with Mitchell. You would think that Dick was Natalie Portman and Mitchell was Anifag Skywalker.
Oh man he led in tackling against a set of offensive players that are getting as much palying time as he is?

It will only be a matter of time before he is in the HOF.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:00 PM
He led the team in tackles in a couple of the pre-season games you plumb smuggling fool. I think that the more important question is, what is Dick Vermeil's love affair with Mitchell. You would think that Dick was Natalie Portman and Mitchell was Anifag Skywalker.

Plumb smuggling? That's a new one.

I just checked the stats and Scanlon had FOUR TACKLES in the entire preseason. That was all in ONE game.

WOW! IMPRESSIVE!

Logical
12-16-2004, 08:00 PM
Ahhhh... So I was off... Not a Dick Vermiel project so much as another posters insane fetish for the guy...

ANy guesses on if it will ever pay off for said poster like it did for the Senator?
The Magic Eight Ball says:

Highly Unlikely

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 08:07 PM
Plumb smuggling? That's a new one.

I just checked the stats and Scanlon had FOUR TACKLES in the entire preseason. That was all in ONE game.

WOW! IMPRESSIVE!


3 of the 4 games he led team tackles..... something our regular guys outside of Fujita can't do.


Taco, as for Rich Scanlon, he was 3rd in the country his Sr yr in tackles, a guy that has a nose for the ball that we don't need on this team, we have a bunch of bumbling fools on defense.

In reality, I noticed him in preseason because our current MLB sucked. I noticed his speed, ability to shead blockers and quick coverage in passing lanes. Not to mention his nose for the ball and ability to wrap up tackles. All things a MLB needs........Things that Mitchell hadn't developed yet in the NFL. The day will come he is playing in the NFL as a LB.

The current coaching staff love affair with Mitchell is beyond me. :rolleyes:

Logical
12-16-2004, 08:12 PM
3 of the 4 games he led team tackles..... something our regular guys outside of Fujita can't do.


Taco, as for Rich Scanlon, he was 3rd in the country his Sr yr in tackles, a guy that has a nose for the ball that we don't need on this team, we have a bunch of bumbling fools on defense.

In reality, I noticed him in preseason because our current MLB sucked. I noticed his speed, ability to shead blockers and quick coverage in passing lanes. Not to mention his nose for the ball and ability to wrap up tackles. All things a MLB needs........Things that Mitchell hadn't developed yet in the NFL. The day will come he is playing in the NFL as a LB.

The current coaching staff love affair with Mitchell is beyond me. :rolleyes:

Scanlonerectus strikes again. It appears it is more effective than Viagra.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 08:13 PM
Scanlonerectus strikes again. It appears it is more effective than Viagra.


We all have our opinions.......

royr17
12-16-2004, 08:20 PM
I agree with dad here too guys (yes you can go ahead and bitch me out for agreeing with dad again ZachKC), and everything he stated i saw from him too, the guy is not scrub, the guy has talent, and like he said i dont know what the coaching staff is doing but i still think the guy is 10 times better than Mitchell.

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 08:22 PM
Scanlonerectus strikes again. It appears it is more effective than Viagra.


LOL!

Brando
12-16-2004, 08:23 PM
I agree with dad here too guys (yes you can go ahead and bitch me out for agreeing with dad again ZachKC), and everything he stated i saw from him too, the guy is not scrub, the guy has talent, and like he said i dont know what the coaching staff is doing but i still think the guy is 10 times better than Mitchell.

If Scanlon gets to play now everyone will ask why he hasn't been on the field all season. Dick is trying to save face.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:34 PM
Scanlonerectus strikes again. It appears it is more effective than Viagra.

What the hell is ROYC75 smoking? I'm glad you quoted his post because he's WRONG. According to NFL.com Scanlon had 4 tackles in one preseason game. He had zero in the three other games.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 08:35 PM
What the hell is ROYC75 smoking? I'm glad you quoted his post because he's WRONG. According to NFL.com Scanlon had 4 tackles in one preseason game. He had zero in the three other games.
NFL.com has its opinions and I have mine...

mightyphoenix1
12-16-2004, 08:37 PM
Not Dante Hall.........and this point.....He's more circa ...Jesse Haynes Jesus
That brings back memories.:shake:

FloridaChief
12-16-2004, 08:39 PM
NFL.com has its opinions and I have mine...

It's because nfl.com doesn't study the same game film as the Roys'...

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:44 PM
How the hell did Roy get fooled into thinking Scanlon led the team in tackles in 3 of the 4 games?

I'm waiting for some evidence.

Saulbadguy
12-16-2004, 08:45 PM
How the hell did Roy get fooled into thinking Scanlon led the team in tackles in 3 of the 4 games?

I'm waiting for some evidence.
Madden 2005.

alanm
12-16-2004, 08:47 PM
Was he the MLB when the Huskers got beat 70-7?It was 70-10 Skip. And that's besides the point. Ruud was 1st Team all Big 12 and set the Husker record for career tackles which stood for 35yrs. All I can say is that Carl and a couple of the scouts were at the Colorado game to scout him personally FWIW.
:thumb:

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:49 PM
CBS has some inside info:


SPORTSLINE PLAYER RANKINGS
Pos Rank Pts
Linebackers 251 -92.33

Saulbadguy
12-16-2004, 08:50 PM
It was 70-10 Skip. And that's besides the point. Ruud was 1st Team all Big 12 and set the Husker record for career tackles which stood for 35yrs. All I can say is that Carl and a couple of the scouts were at the Colorado game to scout him personally FWIW.
:thumb:
He is overrated. He will most likely be drafted in the mid to late 2nd round.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 08:51 PM
OK, I was WRONG.......... it was 2 of the 4, the 1st 2, he didn't get to play much at all in the last 2 games.


Kansas City Chiefs vs New York Giants
8/13/2004 at Giants Stadium
Final Defensive Statistics
Kansas City Chiefs Regular Defensive Plays Special Teams Misc

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TKL AST COMB SACK / YRDS IN PD FF FR TKL AST FF FR BL TKL AST FF FR
R.Scanlon 3 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Fox 3 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Allen 3 1 4 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L.West 3 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Fujita 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Battle 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Wilkerson 2 0 2 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
S.Barber 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Wesley 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Pile 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
F.Jones 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Sims 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Connot 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.McCleon 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
E.Warfield 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Browning 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Beisel 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Crosby 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Finley 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Bartee 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L.Dalton 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B.Sapp 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Stills 1 0 1 1 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Weston 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Mitchell 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Harts 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Cruz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
O.Easy 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Baker 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Flickinger 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

Total 38 10 48 4 31 0 2 0 0 8 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 0

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TKL / TK = Tackle AST / AS = Assist COMB = Combined IN = Interception
PD = Pass Defense FF = Forced Fumble FR = Fumble Recovery BL = Blocked


Kansas City Chiefs Regular Defensive Plays Special Teams Misc

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St. Louis Rams vs Kansas City Chiefs
8/23/2004 at Arrowhead Stadium



TKL AST COMB SACK / YRDS IN PD FF FR TKL AST FF FR BL TKL AST FF FR
R.Scanlon 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Connot 3 0 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Crosby 3 0 3 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Wilkerson 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Allen 3 0 3 1 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Mitchell 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Fujita 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Sharpe 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Barber 2 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Battle 2 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Truluck 2 0 2 1 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Q.Caver 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Wesley 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Ford 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Fox 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Finley 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Stills 1 0 1 1 9 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Bartee 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B.Sapp 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
E.Downing 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Beisel 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Pile 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.Klemic 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Miller 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.Blaylock 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

Total 41 4 45 4 27 2 7 2 0 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

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alanm
12-16-2004, 08:52 PM
Y'All scoffed at me when I was pimping Chris Kelsay and he's been starting at DE for Buffalo the last 2 yrs. :)

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 08:53 PM
He still had more tackles in 2 games than Mitchell did in 3 + games .

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:54 PM
OK, I was WRONG.......... it was 2 of the 4, the 1st 2, he didn't get to play much at all in the last 2 games.


Kansas City Chiefs vs New York Giants
8/13/2004 at Giants Stadium
Final Defensive Statistics
Kansas City Chiefs Regular Defensive Plays Special Teams Misc

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TKL AST COMB SACK / YRDS IN PD FF FR TKL AST FF FR BL TKL AST FF FR
R.Scanlon 3 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Fox 3 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Allen 3 1 4 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L.West 3 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Fujita 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Battle 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Wilkerson 2 0 2 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
S.Barber 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Wesley 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Pile 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
F.Jones 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Sims 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Connot 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.McCleon 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
E.Warfield 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Browning 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Beisel 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Crosby 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Finley 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Bartee 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L.Dalton 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B.Sapp 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Stills 1 0 1 1 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Weston 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Mitchell 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Harts 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Cruz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
O.Easy 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Baker 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Flickinger 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

Total 38 10 48 4 31 0 2 0 0 8 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 0

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TKL / TK = Tackle AST / AS = Assist COMB = Combined IN = Interception
PD = Pass Defense FF = Forced Fumble FR = Fumble Recovery BL = Blocked


Kansas City Chiefs Regular Defensive Plays Special Teams Misc

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St. Louis Rams vs Kansas City Chiefs
8/23/2004 at Arrowhead Stadium



TKL AST COMB SACK / YRDS IN PD FF FR TKL AST FF FR BL TKL AST FF FR
R.Scanlon 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Connot 3 0 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Crosby 3 0 3 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Wilkerson 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Allen 3 0 3 1 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Mitchell 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Fujita 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Sharpe 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
S.Barber 2 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
J.Battle 2 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Truluck 2 0 2 1 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Q.Caver 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Wesley 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Ford 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
K.Fox 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C.Finley 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G.Stills 1 0 1 1 9 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Bartee 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B.Sapp 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
E.Downing 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Beisel 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
W.Pile 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.Klemic 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M.Miller 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D.Blaylock 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

Total 41 4 45 4 27 2 7 2 0 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

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Where are you getting this?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20040813_KC@NYG

Zilch according to that link.

Saulbadguy
12-16-2004, 08:55 PM
Y'All scoffed at me when I was pimping Chris Kelsay and he's been starting at DE for Buffalo the last 2 yrs. :)
I thought he was a steal in the 2nd round.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 08:55 PM
Preseason games, CBS Sportsline ......

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:56 PM
He still had more tackles in 2 games than Mitchell did in 3 + games .

Mitchell only played in two preseason games.

Dartgod
12-16-2004, 08:57 PM
Looks like someone found the can opener...

http://www.4abasket.com/gliders/worms.gif
+
http://www.cn662.com/image/products/Opener/Can-Opener1.jpg
=

500+ post thread. Nice job,Taco! :thumb:

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 08:57 PM
CBS Sportsline uses NFL.com stats...

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 08:57 PM
Looks like someone found the can opener...

http://www.4abasket.com/gliders/worms.gif

Hey Dart, what time do you guys start at B5 generally?

alanm
12-16-2004, 08:58 PM
He is overrated. He will most likely be drafted in the mid to late 2nd round.Kiper has him projected Mid 1st. But if he fell to us in the 2nd all the better. But he ain't gonna last that long.
:shake:

Claynus
12-16-2004, 08:59 PM
CBS Sportsline uses NFL.com stats...

Roy is right...I checked the play by play and Scanlon had some assisted tackles in the Giants game. He also had a special teams tackle.

It still means jack shit.

alanm
12-16-2004, 09:00 PM
I thought he was a steal in the 2nd round.Wasn't he the 1st pick of the 2nd rnd?
I think he was.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:00 PM
Roy is right...I checked the play by play and Scanlon had some assisted tackles in the Giants game. He also had a special teams tackle.

It still means jack shit.
Oh, so the missing ones were on special teams?

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:01 PM
Mitchell only played in two preseason games.

Didn't Mitchell get injured in the 3rd game of preseason, Cleveland and Wilson got it in the Dallas game , 4th game ?

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:01 PM
I checked nfl.com too. I know he had tackles in the Browns game becase the little mrs made me leave that one in the second half and I remember chearing when they announced his tackles on the radio.
Anyone who had an awful "Pitch Black" knock off on their signature should lay off Rich Scanlon. Everyone knows that Vin Diesel tosses Rich Scanlon's salad out of reverence.

Dartgod
12-16-2004, 09:02 PM
Hey Dart, what time do you guys start at B5 generally?
As soon as the gates open. We'll probably be there a little later this wewekend, though.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:02 PM
As soon as the gates open. We'll probably be there a little later this wewekend, though.
When is that?

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:03 PM
You bunch of Bozo's, those are defensive tackles in the 1st 3 columns, the ST's are to the right, about middle ways across.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:04 PM
You bunch of Bozo's, those are defensive tackles in the 1st 3 columns, the ST's are to the right, about middle ways across.
I think he is a solid special teams player...I am interested in his work at MLB.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:04 PM
Oh, so the missing ones were on special teams?

No, they were just assisted tackles. For some reason they didn't show up in the box score, just the play by play.

It still doesn't mean anything.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Didn't Mitchell get injured in the 3rd game of preseason, Cleveland and Wilson got it in the Dallas game , 4th game ?

Mitchell started the first two games, according to the gamebook on NFL.com.

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:05 PM
No, they were just assisted tackles. For some reason they didn't show up in the box score, just the play by play.

It still doesn't mean anything.
Listen Bobafart..just because he is the one that really killed Darth Maul doesn't men you have any right to hate on him.

Skip Towne
12-16-2004, 09:05 PM
I agree with dad here too guys (yes you can go ahead and bitch me out for agreeing with dad again ZachKC), and everything he stated i saw from him too, the guy is not scrub, the guy has talent, and like he said i dont know what the coaching staff is doing but i still think the guy is 10 times better than Mitchell.
What a shocker!!!

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:06 PM
I checked nfl.com too. I know he had tackles in the Browns game becase the little mrs made me leave that one in the second half and I remember chearing when they announced his tackles on the radio.
Anyone who had an awful "Pitch Black" knock off on their signature should lay off Rich Scanlon. Everyone knows that Vin Diesel tosses Rich Scanlon's salad out of reverence.

ONE tackle on special teams according to the play by play.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:09 PM
I think he is a solid special teams player...I am interested in his work at MLB.

Pre-draft reports claimed he was excellent on ST's and very solid MLB.Now this was college ball, he has excelled in every level he has played in.

In every level he has played, reports are he has good leadership abilities.

Sounds like a player we need on our defense.

Taco John
12-16-2004, 09:09 PM
Looks like someone found the can opener...

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500+ post thread. Nice job,Taco! :thumb:



Heh... I wasn't trying to start something... I just see Rich Scanlon's name all over the place in a sometimes sarcastic and othertimes supportive way, and never could figure out what the deal was because I never had noticed him on the field in any games that I've watched...

I guess I'm getting the education I was looking for... :)

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:10 PM
reports are he has good leadership abilities.


Link?

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:11 PM
I never had noticed him on the field in any games that I've watched...

That's because he doesn't make plays. He's the same as the rest of the guys on our coverage teams: ass.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:12 PM
Pre-draft reports claimed he was excellent on ST's and very solid MLB.Now this was college ball, he has excelled in every level he has played in.

I can guarentee this is true of every NFL player on an active roster and practice squad.

Spicy McHaggis
12-16-2004, 09:12 PM
Wasn't he the 1st pick of the 2nd rnd?
I think he was.

No he was picked right after us in the second by Buffalo (48th overall IIRC). We picked Mitchell. I was pissed.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:13 PM
I can guarentee this is true of every NFL player on an active roster and practice squad.

No man, Kawika Mitchell sucked in high school.

Actually what's funny is that Scanlon did shit in college until his senior year. He didn't even start at middle linebacker until that final season.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:14 PM
Link?



This was Gil Brandts take on him, I'll get some more...... BTW, I was wrong on another line, he was 3rd in the Big East and 8th in the NCAA for tackles. :rolleyes:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/rich_scanlon

alanm
12-16-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by royr17
"I agree with dad here too guys (yes you can go ahead and bitch me out for agreeing with dad again ZachKC), and everything he stated i saw from him too, the guy is not scrub, the guy has talent, and like he said i dont know what the coaching staff is doing but i still think the guy is 10 times better than Mitchell."

Jr. If the dude was 10 times better than Mitchell don't you think he'd be starting? Or are all our Defensive coaches clueless? Strike that... We all know the answer to that one. :hmmm: :banghead:

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:15 PM
Rich Scanlon #57

Linebacker 6-1 255
Sophomore
Oradell, NJ / Bergen Catholic

At SU: Four letters ... Ranks eighth on SUís career tackles for a loss list with 22.5 tackles for a loss of 92 yards ... 2003 CoSIDA Academic All-American ... 2001, 2002 and 2003 CoSIDA Academic All-America District I Football Team selection ... Four-time BIG EAST All-Academic Team ... Member of the Athletic Directorís Honor Roll in all nine semesters ... Redshirted in 1999.

Senior Year (2003): Second-team All-BIG EAST selection ... Named to the CoSIDA Academic All-America First Team ... An ECAC All-Star ... Named defensive most valuable player at the Blue-Gray All-Star Classic after recording eight total tackles ... Received SUís 2003 Bill Horr Most Valuable Player award ... Started all 12 games at middle linebacker ... One of 13 players to start all 12 games ... Played on the punt protection, PAT/FG defense and kickoff special teams units ... Recorded 147 tackles, which ranks 10th on SUís single-season record list for tackles by a linebacker and is the most by an Orangeman since Tim Pidgeon had 98 solo tackles and 60 assists for 158 total stops in 1986 ... Recorded 94 solo tackles, the seventh-most in a season in SU history ... Ranked eighth in the NCAA and third in the BIG EAST with 12.25 total tackles per game and ninth nationally and second in the league with 7.83 solo stops per contest ... Recorded 15 tackles, including 11 solo stops and two tackles for a loss of seven yards, at North Carolina ... Versus Louisville, posted 16 tackles, including 11 unassisted stops ... Had 14 tackles, 12 of them solo, against Central Florida ... Assisted on a tackle for a loss of two yards and had two quarterback hurries against the Golden Knights ... Versus Toledo, recorded five solo tackles and five assisted stops ... Had nine tackles, including seven solo tackles, at Virginia Tech ... Had one sack for a loss of two yards, one tackle for a loss of six yards and one quarterback hurry against the Hokies ... Posted seven tackles, including five solo stops, and broke up one pass against Boston College ... At Pittsburgh, recorded six solo tackles and five assisted stops, including assisting on one tackle for a loss of six yards ... Made six solo tackles and two assisted stops, including 2.5 tackles for a loss of four yards, against Temple ... Broke up two passes versus the Owls ... Had 10 solo tackles and seven assisted stops at Miami ... Recorded his first career interception and broke up another pass against the Hurricanes ... Against West Virginia, made six solo tackles and six assisted stops, including assisting on a sack for a loss of three yards ... Recorded a career-high 20 tackles, including a personal-best 10 assisted stops, at Rutgers ... Had one solo tackle for a loss of 12 yards and one quarterback hurry versus the Scarlet Knights ... Posted five solo tackles and three assists against Notre Dame.

Junior Year (2002): Played in all 12 games, starting nine ... One of 23 players to participate in all 12 games ... Played on SUs kickoff and punt special teams units ... Sixth on the team with 58 tackles, including a career-high 10 tackles for a loss of 38 yards ... Fourth on the team in tackles for a loss ... Tied Nate Hemsley for ninth on the SU single-season list with nine tackles for a loss ... Made four tackles, all solo, at BYU ... Registered six tackles, including three for a loss against North Carolina ... Recorded eight tackles, including one for a loss, against Rhode Island ... Tied a career high with 10 tackles at Auburn ... Posted seven tackles against Pittsburgh ... Had one tackle on special teams at Temple ... Recorded two solo tackles, including one for a loss, at West Virginia ... Earned BIG EAST co-Defensive Player of the Week Award for his career-best effort against Rutgers that included three sacks for a combined loss of 27 yards, six tackles and the first forced fumble and fumble recovery of his career ... Registered five tackles and returned a blocked kick 28 yards at Central Florida ... Recorded his first career interception against Virginia Tech in the second quarter, and broke up one other pass and made four tackles ... Registered five tackles, including one for a loss at Boston College ... Recorded five tackles against Miami.

Sophomore Year (2001): Played in all 13 games, starting five ... One of 35 players to participate in every game ... Recorded 60 tackles and two fumble recoveries ... Played on SU?s punt coverage, kickoff coverage and kickoff return units ... Posted a career-high 10 tackles against Georgia ... Had three tackles as a starter at Tennessee ... Registered three solo tackles, including one for a loss of seven yards, in a start against Auburn ... Had seven tackles, one for a loss, and one fumble recovery as a starter against East Carolina ... Posted eight tackles, forced a fumble and had a pass breakup in starting role at Rutgers ... Recorded six tackles, including one for a loss, and a fumble recovery at Pittsburgh ... Had four tackles and a pass breakup against Temple and at Virginia Tech ... Had three tackes in a start against West Virginia ... Had five tackles, including one for a loss, at Miami ... Had five tackles against Boston College.

Freshman Year (2000): Appeared in eight games ... Had a career-high three stops in the season-opening win aganst Buffalo ... Posted two tackles against Pittsburgh, Boston College and Virginia Tech ... Had one tackle for a loss against Pittsburgh and Boston College ... Named to the BIG EAST All-Academic Team.

High School: Super Prep and Tom Lemming All-Regional selection ... Prep Star's No. 5-rated linebacker in the Eastern Region ... New Jersey State Defensive Player of the Year ... First-team all-league, all-county and all-state ... New Jersey Top 100 ... New Jersey Governors Bowl Team member ... Led team to 12-0 record and New Jersey state championship as a senior ... Three-year starter and team captain ... Member of National Honor Society ... Recruited by associate head coach George DeLeone.

Personal: Richard James Scanlon ... Born December 23, 1980 in Nyack, N.Y. ... Son of Rich and Donna Scanlon ... One brother and one sister ... Majoring in health and exercise science.

Scanlon's Career Statistics


Tackles Assists Tot. TFL Sacks Int. FF Fumble Rec.
2000 7 5 12 2.0- 2 0.0-0 0 0 0-0 yds
2001 40 20 60 2.5-10 0.0-0 0 1 2-0 yds
2002 37 21 58 9.0-38 3.0-27 0 1 1-0 yds
2003 94 53 147 9.0-42 1.5-5 1-6 0 0-0 yds
Totals 178 109 277 22.5-90 4.5-32 1-6 2 3-0 yds

Scanlon's Career Bests
Tackles Solo 12 vs. Central Florida, 2003
Assist 10 vs. Rutgers, 2003
Total 20 vs. Rutgers, 2003
Sacks 3 vs. Rutgers, 2002
Pass Breakups 2 vs. Temple, 2003
Forced Fumble 1 vs. Rutgers, 2001
Fumble Recovery 2 vs. East Carolina & Pittsburgh, 2001
Interceptions 1 vs. Miami, 2003

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:16 PM
Heh... I wasn't trying to start something...


Who are you trying to fool, Teej? We know better.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:18 PM
Rich Scanlon #57

Linebacker 6-1 255
Sophomore
Oradell, NJ / Bergen Catholic

At SU: Four letters ... Ranks eighth on SUís career tackles for a loss list with 22.5 tackles for a loss of 92 yards ... 2003 CoSIDA Academic All-American ... 2001, 2002 and 2003 CoSIDA Academic All-America District I Football Team selection ... Four-time BIG EAST All-Academic Team ... Member of the Athletic Directorís Honor Roll in all nine semesters ... Redshirted in 1999.

Senior Year (2003): Second-team All-BIG EAST selection ... Named to the CoSIDA Academic All-America First Team ... An ECAC All-Star ... Named defensive most valuable player at the Blue-Gray All-Star Classic after recording eight total tackles ... Received SUís 2003 Bill Horr Most Valuable Player award ... Started all 12 games at middle linebacker ... One of 13 players to start all 12 games ... Played on the punt protection, PAT/FG defense and kickoff special teams units ... Recorded 147 tackles, which ranks 10th on SUís single-season record list for tackles by a linebacker and is the most by an Orangeman since Tim Pidgeon had 98 solo tackles and 60 assists for 158 total stops in 1986 ... Recorded 94 solo tackles, the seventh-most in a season in SU history ... Ranked eighth in the NCAA and third in the BIG EAST with 12.25 total tackles per game and ninth nationally and second in the league with 7.83 solo stops per contest ... Recorded 15 tackles, including 11 solo stops and two tackles for a loss of seven yards, at North Carolina ... Versus Louisville, posted 16 tackles, including 11 unassisted stops ... Had 14 tackles, 12 of them solo, against Central Florida ... Assisted on a tackle for a loss of two yards and had two quarterback hurries against the Golden Knights ... Versus Toledo, recorded five solo tackles and five assisted stops ... Had nine tackles, including seven solo tackles, at Virginia Tech ... Had one sack for a loss of two yards, one tackle for a loss of six yards and one quarterback hurry against the Hokies ... Posted seven tackles, including five solo stops, and broke up one pass against Boston College ... At Pittsburgh, recorded six solo tackles and five assisted stops, including assisting on one tackle for a loss of six yards ... Made six solo tackles and two assisted stops, including 2.5 tackles for a loss of four yards, against Temple ... Broke up two passes versus the Owls ... Had 10 solo tackles and seven assisted stops at Miami ... Recorded his first career interception and broke up another pass against the Hurricanes ... Against West Virginia, made six solo tackles and six assisted stops, including assisting on a sack for a loss of three yards ... Recorded a career-high 20 tackles, including a personal-best 10 assisted stops, at Rutgers ... Had one solo tackle for a loss of 12 yards and one quarterback hurry versus the Scarlet Knights ... Posted five solo tackles and three assists against Notre Dame.

Junior Year (2002): Played in all 12 games, starting nine ... One of 23 players to participate in all 12 games ... Played on SUs kickoff and punt special teams units ... Sixth on the team with 58 tackles, including a career-high 10 tackles for a loss of 38 yards ... Fourth on the team in tackles for a loss ... Tied Nate Hemsley for ninth on the SU single-season list with nine tackles for a loss ... Made four tackles, all solo, at BYU ... Registered six tackles, including three for a loss against North Carolina ... Recorded eight tackles, including one for a loss, against Rhode Island ... Tied a career high with 10 tackles at Auburn ... Posted seven tackles against Pittsburgh ... Had one tackle on special teams at Temple ... Recorded two solo tackles, including one for a loss, at West Virginia ... Earned BIG EAST co-Defensive Player of the Week Award for his career-best effort against Rutgers that included three sacks for a combined loss of 27 yards, six tackles and the first forced fumble and fumble recovery of his career ... Registered five tackles and returned a blocked kick 28 yards at Central Florida ... Recorded his first career interception against Virginia Tech in the second quarter, and broke up one other pass and made four tackles ... Registered five tackles, including one for a loss at Boston College ... Recorded five tackles against Miami.

Sophomore Year (2001): Played in all 13 games, starting five ... One of 35 players to participate in every game ... Recorded 60 tackles and two fumble recoveries ... Played on SU?s punt coverage, kickoff coverage and kickoff return units ... Posted a career-high 10 tackles against Georgia ... Had three tackles as a starter at Tennessee ... Registered three solo tackles, including one for a loss of seven yards, in a start against Auburn ... Had seven tackles, one for a loss, and one fumble recovery as a starter against East Carolina ... Posted eight tackles, forced a fumble and had a pass breakup in starting role at Rutgers ... Recorded six tackles, including one for a loss, and a fumble recovery at Pittsburgh ... Had four tackles and a pass breakup against Temple and at Virginia Tech ... Had three tackes in a start against West Virginia ... Had five tackles, including one for a loss, at Miami ... Had five tackles against Boston College.

Freshman Year (2000): Appeared in eight games ... Had a career-high three stops in the season-opening win aganst Buffalo ... Posted two tackles against Pittsburgh, Boston College and Virginia Tech ... Had one tackle for a loss against Pittsburgh and Boston College ... Named to the BIG EAST All-Academic Team.

High School: Super Prep and Tom Lemming All-Regional selection ... Prep Star's No. 5-rated linebacker in the Eastern Region ... New Jersey State Defensive Player of the Year ... First-team all-league, all-county and all-state ... New Jersey Top 100 ... New Jersey Governors Bowl Team member ... Led team to 12-0 record and New Jersey state championship as a senior ... Three-year starter and team captain ... Member of National Honor Society ... Recruited by associate head coach George DeLeone.

Personal: Richard James Scanlon ... Born December 23, 1980 in Nyack, N.Y. ... Son of Rich and Donna Scanlon ... One brother and one sister ... Majoring in health and exercise science.

Scanlon's Career Statistics


Tackles Assists Tot. TFL Sacks Int. FF Fumble Rec.
2000 7 5 12 2.0- 2 0.0-0 0 0 0-0 yds
2001 40 20 60 2.5-10 0.0-0 0 1 2-0 yds
2002 37 21 58 9.0-38 3.0-27 0 1 1-0 yds
2003 94 53 147 9.0-42 1.5-5 1-6 0 0-0 yds
Totals 178 109 277 22.5-90 4.5-32 1-6 2 3-0 yds

Scanlon's Career Bests
Tackles Solo 12 vs. Central Florida, 2003
Assist 10 vs. Rutgers, 2003
Total 20 vs. Rutgers, 2003
Sacks 3 vs. Rutgers, 2002
Pass Breakups 2 vs. Temple, 2003
Forced Fumble 1 vs. Rutgers, 2001
Fumble Recovery 2 vs. East Carolina & Pittsburgh, 2001
Interceptions 1 vs. Miami, 2003

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:19 PM
I don't see where it talks about the "leadership abilities" you were referring to. that prompted me to ask for the link.

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:19 PM
No man, Kawika Mitchell sucked in high school.

Actually what's funny is that Scanlon did shit in college until his senior year. He didn't even start at middle linebacker until that final season.
He started at outside linebacker before that. Syracuse's MLB was a four year starter named Clifton Smith prior to Scanlon's senior year.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:20 PM
He started at outside linebacker before that. Syracuse's MLB was a four year starter named Clifton Smith prior to Scanlon's senior year.
So when those two linebackers were in Syracuse's version of training camp. What do you feel led to them picking one line backer over the other.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:21 PM
OK, it doesn't matter what I post or say, you guys will use it in a negative way.

I know what I have seen, I believe what I have seen and my opinion still stands.

Reality is ,he is not playing right now. My only guess is, maybe he isn't ready in the eyes of the coaches. I can't answer for them. When TC broke, we had Mitchell, Beisel, Jones, Fujita,Carver,Barber and Fox on the team. All who were with us last year, except Fox, who was drafted.

IMHO, the coaches were set on these guys because of NFL experence. The fact that Rich showed enough in TC and practices warrented a spot on the team. He has talent, they have seen this.

Someday he will get the right chance to play.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:22 PM
He started at outside linebacker before that. Syracuse's MLB was a four year starter named Clifton Smith prior to Scanlon's senior year.

My point exactly.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:22 PM
Someday he will get the right chance to play.
This is a look of things to come...when he gets cut we won't hear a concession that Rich isn't as good as he says we will hear how the stupid the coaches were for not starting him.

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:23 PM
So when those two linebackers were in Syracuse's version of training camp. What do you feel led to them picking one line backer over the other.
Smith was a Parade All American out of High School. He started every game of his career. No one was going to beat him out for the MLB position. He was unfortunately too small to be an NFL MLB.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:23 PM
I don't see where it talks about the "leadership abilities" you were referring to. that prompted me to ask for the link.

I'll find it...... give me sometime.

But again, why are we going thru this again..... it's a waste of time.

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:24 PM
OK, it doesn't matter what I post or say, you guys will use it in a negative way.

I know what I have seen, I believe what I have seen and my opinion still stands.

Reality is ,he is not playing right now. My only guess is, maybe he isn't ready in the eyes of the coaches. I can't answer for them. When TC broke, we had Mitchell, Beisel, Jones, Fujita,Carver,Barber and Fox on the team. All who were with us last year, except Fox, who was drafted.

IMHO, the coaches were set on these guys because of NFL experence. The fact that Rich showed enough in TC and practices warrented a spot on the team. He has talent, they have seen this.

Someday he will get the right chance to play.


Actually, the only reason he even made the practice squad is because of injuries. Let's be realistic here.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:24 PM
Smith was a Parade All American out of High School. He started every game of his career. No one was going to beat him out for the MLB position. He was unfortunately too small to be an NFL MLB.
I am not familiar with Syacuse ball...I am also not knocking him for nto starting over this guy who obviosuly was a stud. I was more so askign what you think went into the evaluation process of choosing one player over another...

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:24 PM
Scanlon will probably get cut, and Denver will pick him up, or the Raiders. He will start and kick ass.

Wouldn't that just be f*ck all. ROFL

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:25 PM
Actually, the only reason he even made the practice squad is because of injuries. Let's be realistic here.

Bing!

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:25 PM
My point exactly.
What? He played outside linebacker. When Smith graduated they converted him to MLB and he excelled? What's your point ya one nutted tubesteak smoker?

royr17
12-16-2004, 09:26 PM
Actually, the only reason he even made the practice squad is because of injuries. Let's be realistic here.

How do you know that ? Do you have inside information ?

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:26 PM
What? He played outside linebacker. When Smith graduated they converted him to MLB and he excelled? What's your point ya one nutted tubesteak smoker?

My point is that he had done shit at middle linebacker, and barely anything worth mentioning.

He didn't even start every game at outside linebacker.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:27 PM
How do you know that ? Do you have inside information ?

No. We had a bunch of injuries to the linebackers in preseason. That's fairly common knowledge.

Your dad is the one with the inside information. Because the rest of us are clueless as to why Rich Scanlon is a god-on-a-bench.

|Zach|
12-16-2004, 09:28 PM
Alright, I am out of this one early tonight. A real life awaits! God forbid.

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:30 PM
My point is that he had done shit at middle linebacker, and barely anything worth mentioning.

He didn't even start every game at outside linebacker.
That's because he had a knee injury fugass. It had nothing to do with his talent.

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:31 PM
How do you know that ? Do you have inside information ?


No more than you do in your assesment of his greatness. I just look at what the situation was: a LB corps that was thinned out by a couple of injuries.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:31 PM
No. We had a bunch of injuries to the linebackers in preseason. That's fairly common knowledge.

Your dad is the one with the inside information. Because the rest of us are clueless as to why Rich Scanlon is a god-on-a-bench.

For a bunch of guys that know alot abou this inability to play, tell me what are the reasons he is not any good ?

Don't shit coat it and say he sucks ?

What are the reasons ?

What injuries ? Maz was hurt, so was Fox, he was drafted and Rich wasn't. Did Fox out perform Rich ?

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:33 PM
Where is that whore scanfan? She is the only one we are missing here.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:33 PM
That's because he had a knee injury fugass. It had nothing to do with his talent.

Wow, so Scanlon is damaged goods? No wonder no one wanted him.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:33 PM
For a bunch of guys that know alot abou this inability to play, tell me what are the reasons he is not any good ?

It's clear as day. Kawika Mitchell sucks and Scanlon can't even beat him out. Hell, Scanlon can't beat ANYONE out.

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:35 PM
For a bunch of guys that know alot abou this inability to play, tell me what are the reasons he is not any good ?

Don't shit coat it and say he sucks ?

What are the reasons ?

What injuries ? Maz was hurt, so was Fox, he was drafted and Rich wasn't. Did Fox out perform Rich ?


Mitchell was hurt as well. I mean, that is the reason we moved our DE/OLB to the Mike spot.

Brando
12-16-2004, 09:35 PM
Wow, so Scanlon is damaged goods? No wonder no one wanted him.
He had a sprained knee..hardly damaged goods. It's not like he's toting around that puss filled wart you have on your ass crack.

Raiderhader
12-16-2004, 09:37 PM
I was not going to get involved in this debacle again, yet here I am. Oh well, I shall now gracefully bow out for the evening.

Good night everyone.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:40 PM
No more than you do in your assesment of his greatness. I just look at what the situation was: a LB corps that was thinned out by a couple of injuries.


So your opinion is, because the coachs says so ?

If the coaches wanted to go with experenced players and the lone drafted LB, it makes it right.

Has anybody told you lately we suck because of our coaching and FO decisions ?

Sorry,I have little trust in them elavating talent anymore.

royr17
12-16-2004, 09:41 PM
Where is that whore scanfan? She is the only one we are missing here.

Im sorry raiderhader, but that is just wrong of you to call her thats she is a very nice and sweet person, and calling her that is out of line it is wrong.

If you had ever talk to her before you would know more about her than you think she's nothing like that and actually is a very good friend of mine, and calling her those type of names because Rich is her friend and got her into football is flat out ridicoulus.

IT'S UNCALLED FOR.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:42 PM
Where is that whore scanfan? She is the only one we are missing here.


Not true, if NYChief was here, you would have all 5 of us against the world ! ROFL

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:43 PM
Funny that none of you are man enough to answer post # 102 ........

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:44 PM
You want to say that he is not any good , but don't back it up with any evidence ? Why ?

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:46 PM
It's all fun, right ? I can handle the smart ass remarks, but If I play along, you don't want to back you comments up with evidence...other than he sucks.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:46 PM
You want to say what he is not any good , but don't back it up with any evidence ? Why ?

Pay attention:

Quote:Originally Posted by ROYC75
For a bunch of guys that know alot abou this inability to play, tell me what are the reasons he is not any good ?

It's clear as day. Kawika Mitchell sucks and Scanlon can't even beat him out. Hell, Scanlon can't beat ANYONE out.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:47 PM
Im sorry raiderhader, but that is just wrong of you to call her thats she is a very nice and sweet person, and calling her that is out of line it is wrong.

If you had ever talk to her before you would know more about her than you think she's nothing like that and actually is a very good friend of mine, and calling her those type of names because Rich is her friend and got her into football is flat out ridicoulus.

IT'S UNCALLED FOR.


Scanfan is a whore and you are her pimp.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:48 PM
Pay attention:

Quote:Originally Posted by ROYC75
For a bunch of guys that know alot abou this inability to play, tell me what are the reasons he is not any good ?

It's clear as day. Kawika Mitchell sucks and Scanlon can't even beat him out. Hell, Scanlon can't beat ANYONE out.


Blanket answer.....

Why does Mitchell suck ?

How is Rich worst than Mitchell ?

Answer if you can .........

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:49 PM
Scanfan is a whore and you are her pimp.

More mindless dribble from a pointless jerk .........

You haven't a clue, she is a very nice person in fact.

royr17
12-16-2004, 09:49 PM
Shut up GOATCHEESE and go be with your gay boyfriend Johnnie Morton !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:50 PM
Blanket answer.....

Why does Mitchell suck ?

How is Rich worst than Mitchell ?

Answer if you can .........

Blanket answers are all we have because Scanlon has done jack shit in this league. One can only conclude that because he can't beat out shitty linebackers, he too must be shitty.

Blanket arguments that make no sense are all YOU have. You think Scanlon is good because he made a few plays in preseason and you think Mitchell sucks.

Just because Mitchell sucks does not mean someone better is on the roster.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:51 PM
More mindless dribble from a pointless jerk .........

You haven't a clue, she is a very nice person in fact.

ROFL

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:52 PM
Shut up GOATCHEESE and go be with your gay boyfriend Johnnie Morton !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:deevee:

royr17
12-16-2004, 09:53 PM
Blanket answers are all we have because Scanlon has done jack shit in this league. One can only conclude that because he can't beat out shitty linebackers, he too must be shitty.

Blanket arguments that make no sense are all YOU have. You think Scanlon is good because he made a few plays in preseason and you think Mitchell sucks.

Just because Mitchell sucks does not mean someone better is on the roster.

Your stupid, Mitchell is the best we have ? Bullshit, I could bet you that Beisel did a better ass job in the middle than what Mitchell has since he came back.

Oh yea and I know you gonna bring up the our run defense sucked when Beisel was in the middle.

the Talking Can
12-16-2004, 09:54 PM
will the Scanlon vs. unemployment line debate rival the great Grbac vs. Gannon debates?

only time will tell!

Scanlon vs. the bench

Scanlon vs. NFLE

Scanlon vs. an extra ball boy

Scanlon vs. a VCR in the locker room

Claynus
12-16-2004, 09:54 PM
Your stupid, Mitchell is the best we have ? Bullshit, I could bet you that Beisel did a better ass job in the middle than what Mitchell has since he came back.

Oh yea and I know you gonna bring up the our run defense sucked when Beisel was in the middle.

It did! The facts are all there!

The two most abysmal days by our run defense came with Beisel in there!

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:56 PM
Blanket answers are all we have because Scanlon has done jack shit in this league. One can only conclude that because he can't beat out shitty linebackers, he too must be shitty.

Blanket arguments that make no sense are all YOU have. You think Scanlon is good because he made a few plays in preseason and you think Mitchell sucks.

Just because Mitchell sucks does not mean someone better is on the roster.

Again, you failed to answer any of the questions. You not only didn't tellme why Mitchell sucks, you can't tell me why Rich sucks , you probally didn't even see him play in the preseason games.

If you did, what did he do wrong ?

It is my opinion, you are jumping aboard the bandwagon he sucks because you have nothing bad to say about his play,other than he sucks because you don't know anything about him.

If you are so smart..... answer the questions.... you or anybody .

royr17
12-16-2004, 09:56 PM
And tell me how exactly do you know the run defense wouldnt of been as bad with Mitchell in the middle during those 2 games ?

Taco John
12-16-2004, 09:57 PM
Im sorry raiderhader, but that is just wrong of you to call her thats she is a very nice and sweet person, and calling her that is out of line it is wrong.

If you had ever talk to her before you would know more about her than you think she's nothing like that and actually is a very good friend of mine, and calling her those type of names because Rich is her friend and got her into football is flat out ridicoulus.

IT'S UNCALLED FOR.



Way to go kid... That kind of show won't win you many friends in life, but it'll sure win you honor with the ones you do have. Nice show of character.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 09:58 PM
It did! The facts are all there!

The two most abysmal days by our run defense came with Beisel in there!


That was his 1st 2 games..... What happened to us when Kawika took over for Maz ?

Dartgod
12-16-2004, 09:59 PM
I'm going to say one thing and then I'm off to bed.

I think I'll trust the coach's evaluation over the Roys. No offense guys...

Bwana
12-16-2004, 09:59 PM
Oh Boy, I'm not even going to read this one. Taco threw out the bait and the Roy's got worked up. Does that about cover it. :)

Taco John
12-16-2004, 09:59 PM
It's clear as day. Kawika Mitchell sucks and Scanlon can't even beat him out. Hell, Scanlon can't beat ANYONE out.



What has kept your hero, Diaper Boy on the bench so long, even with Holmes out? Was he THAT untalented until he faced the Titans pathetic defense?

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:00 PM
Again, you failed to answer any of the questions. You not only didn't tellme why Mitchell sucks, you can't tell me why Rich sucks , you probally didn't even see him play in the preseason games.
.

It's CLEAR why Mitchell sucks, do I really need to explain that to his number one hater?

As for Rich, there is exactly ZERO material to conclude anything about him. The only thing we CAN conclude is that he MUST be worse than the guys he is backing up.

Or are you really smarter than Gunther?

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:00 PM
Way to go kid... That kind of show won't win you many friends in life, but it'll sure win you honor with the ones you do have. Nice show of character.


That's OK, I can back him up on this one. The girl is very nice, she is a close fan and friend to Rich, she was only barking back at the guys that were making fun about Rich. She was taking it personal..... we all know how that can get to ya on a BB. :hmmm:

Taco John
12-16-2004, 10:01 PM
Oh Boy, I'm not even going to read this one. Taco threw out the bait and the Roy's got worked up. Does that about cover it. :)



Yeah... boy... I had no idea what I was walking into here... If I'd have know this topic was like deer hunting in a corral, I might have picked at it earlier!? ROFL

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:01 PM
I'm going to say one thing and then I'm off to bed.

I think I'll trust the coach's evaluation over the Roys. No offense guys...


I have no problem with this at all.

What I don't understand is when other people says he sucks but can't tell us why ?

Taco John
12-16-2004, 10:03 PM
That's OK, I can back him up on this one. The girl is very nice, she is a close fan and friend to Rich, she was only barking back at the guys that were making fun about Rich. She was taking it personal..... we all know how that can get to ya on a BB. :hmmm:



Indeed.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:03 PM
What has kept your hero, Diaper Boy on the bench so long, even with Holmes out? Was he THAT untalented until he faced the Titans pathetic defense?

Clearly Priest is better than LJ.

Clearly LJ is better than Blaylock of course. But at least we've seen something out of LJ to know he's pretty good.

Even when Blaylock was ahead of him on the depth chart, LJ was coming into games and doing good things. Even in PRESEASON, during his ROOKIE year we saw LJ do things that indicated he had potential.

Scanlon has done NOTHING.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:03 PM
Oh Boy, I'm not even going to read this one. Taco threw out the bait and the Roy's got worked up. Does that about cover it. :)

Bout it...what I want to know is why people think he sucks, but can't back there comments up with information. It has been this way since these discussions have started.

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:04 PM
Bout it...what I want to know is why people think he sucks, but can't back there comments up with information. It has been this way since these discussions have started.

Jesus.

Can you tell us why Scanlon is good?

The only FACT about Scanlon is that he is backing up shitty linebackers.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:06 PM
It's CLEAR why Mitchell sucks, do I really need to explain that to his number one hater?

As for Rich, there is exactly ZERO material to conclude anything about him. The only thing we CAN conclude is that he MUST be worse than the guys he is backing up.

Or are you really smarter than Gunther?

Yes you must....... Blanket answers don't cut it.

Why does Mitchell suck ? What does he lack as MLB ?

Why is Rich's play worst than Mitchell's ? Don't use a blanket answer because the coaches think that.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:09 PM
Jesus.

Can you tell us why Scanlon is good?

The only FACT about Scanlon is that he is backing up shitty linebackers.


I have explained this to you and others many times, even gave you some info earlier.

You are avoiding the questions..........

alanm
12-16-2004, 10:10 PM
Smith was a Parade All American out of High School. He started every game of his career. No one was going to beat him out for the MLB position. He was unfortunately too small to be an NFL MLB.That's what they thought about the Zach Thomas for Miami from Texas AM and Dat Nguyen for the Cowboys also from A.M. Alot of scouts were dead wrong about both. :shake:

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:13 PM
I have explained this to you and others many times, even gave you some info earlier.

You are avoiding the questions..........

You are missing the point.

No one can say ANYTHING about Scanlon. HE HASN'T BEEN ON THE FIELD!

When your posse comes on here and pimps Scanlon, we respond with the only facts about him...that he's backup on the worst defense in the NFL.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:13 PM
Clearly Priest is better than LJ.

Clearly LJ is better than Blaylock of course. But at least we've seen something out of LJ to know he's pretty good.

Even when Blaylock was ahead of him on the depth chart, LJ was coming into games and doing good things. Even in PRESEASON, during his ROOKIE year we saw LJ do things that indicated he had potential.

Scanlon has done NOTHING.


When PH was healthy, many wanted to see LJ, even thou we had a great player playing. Many members were pissed that Blaylock was backing up PH , not LJ....... But this was the coaches decisions, they knew best. Even thou many have claimed LJ was better than DB.

You just said that LJ was better than DB........ could the coaches have been wrong ?

We have a MLB that sucks. BTW, I'm still waiting for answers why ? But if a fan wants to see another player we have play in place of that sucky Mitchell, it's because we have nobody better ?

It's clear to see this is a 1 way street .......... :rolleyes:

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:16 PM
You're comparing apples and oranges.

People knew LJ had talent because he had done things before. He did all kinds of good things in his first preseason as a rookie. He ripped off a touchdown run against the Bears last year. He had 85 yards on 20 carries as a rookie.

He had a decent preseason this year and did some good things against Tampa Bay. He came in against San Diego and gave us a spark.

Scanlon hasn't accomplished a FRACTION of that. So far the best thing Scanlon has done is look like the other fools on our coverage teams.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:17 PM
You are missing the point.

No one can say ANYTHING about Scanlon. HE HASN'T BEEN ON THE FIELD!

When your posse comes on here and pimps Scanlon, we respond with the only facts about him...that he's backup on the worst defense in the NFL.


So you admit, you know nothing about him, so he sucks ? How can you base this without any info ? Not coaching, but your evaluation .

So you know what you have with Mitchell , but he sucks too ? But yet you can't tell me why ?

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:19 PM
So you admit, you know nothing about him, so he sucks ? How can you base this without any info ? Not coaching, but your evaluation .

So you know what you have with Mitchell , but he sucks too ? But yet you can't tell me why ?

Yes, we know nothing about Scanlon. Likewise YOU know nothing about Scanlon.

Are we agreed on this?

As for Mitchell, do we really need to explain to YOU why he sucks? It's clear EVERY SUNDAY why he sucks. I don't think we need to go into it.

alanm
12-16-2004, 10:19 PM
What has kept your hero, Diaper Boy on the bench so long, even with Holmes out? Was he THAT untalented until he faced the Titans pathetic defense?I think it had a lot more to do with his lack of knowing his assignments and picking up on the blitzs and the fact that he got on Vermeils bad side by whining to the press. That and Blaylock is a decent back who brings his lunch pail to work and does his job.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:26 PM
Yes, we know nothing about Scanlon. Likewise YOU know nothing about Scanlon.

Are we agreed on this?

As for Mitchell, do we really need to explain to YOU why he sucks? It's clear EVERY SUNDAY why he sucks. I don't think we need to go into it.


Yes, I have explained many times why I think Rich is better than Mitchell, backed my opinions up with as much data as I can find.

All of this bashing on Rich is .......

he backs up a sucky player...
the coach's aren't playing him...
not good enough.....

Nobody has came out and disputed any of the reasons I have listed why I feel he is better.

At the same time, I have gave several reason why Mitchell sucks, each time, you claim he needs more time. How much time do we give a guy with this defense, we are horrible right now in many areas and better be closing that door this year or we will lose the offense we have.

So answer 2 questions ....... can ya ?

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:28 PM
Yes, I have explained many times why I think Rich is better than Mitchell, backed my opinions up with as much data as I can find.

All of this bashing on Rich is .......

he backs up a sucky player...
the coach's aren't playing him...
not good enough.....

Nobody has came out and disputed any of the reasons I have listed why I feel he is better.

At the same time, I have gave several reason why Mitchell sucks, each time, you claim he needs more time. How much time do we give a guy with this defense, we are horrible right now in many areas and better be closing that door this year or we will lose the offense we have.

So answer 2 questions ....... can ya ?

Your data is all bullshit. It's based on meaningless preseason games.

THERE IS NO DATA ON SCANLON.

The only reason people bash on Scanlon is because you pimp him FOR NO GOOD REASONS WHATSOEVER.

As for Mitchell, he sucks, but he HAS shown improvement from last year. He's only played a full 14 games and is on his second defensive coordinator in two years. He needs more time. Just like Green needed more time. Just like Kyle Boller needed time. Just like Johnnie Morton needed time.

ROYC75
12-16-2004, 10:34 PM
Your data is all bullshit. It's based on meaningless preseason games.

THERE IS NO DATA ON SCANLON.

The only reason people bash on Scanlon is because you pimp him FOR NO GOOD REASONS WHATSOEVER.

As for Mitchell, he sucks, but he HAS shown improvement from last year. He's only played a full 14 games and is on his second defensive coordinator in two years. He needs more time. Just like Green needed more time. Just like Kyle Boller needed time. Just like Johnnie Morton needed time.

Still avoiding the questions I see.....

BTW, My info comes from the same sources you find on any of the players you select. Most of mine is college info because that where he was last year, and the personal observation I had this year during preseason games.

BTW, that's more info than than what you can come up with on why he sucks or is not any good. :shake:

I'm off to bed...........

Claynus
12-16-2004, 10:39 PM
Still avoiding the questions I see.....

BTW, My info comes from the same sources you find on any of the players you select. Most of mine is college info because that where he was last year, and the personal observation I had this year during preseason games.

BTW, that's more info than than what you can come up with on why he sucks or is not any good. :shake:

I'm off to bed...........

What questions? The only questions you asked are why scanlon sucks and why mitchell sucks. The first one can't be answered because he hasn't played enough for anyone to say ANYTHING about him (including YOU).

The second one doesn't NEED to be answered because everyone knows why Mitchell sucks.

Your info on Scanlon from college is great. Guess what? Kawika was a stud in college too. So you can throw all that bullcrap out the window.

RUN AND HIDE! :cuss:

SNR
12-16-2004, 11:23 PM
Rich Scanlon will save the Chiefs defense. Next season he will get a chance to start and he will break something off in that ass. Call him Jesus, call him Scanlon, call him shit, call him whatever. Mark my words.

alanm
12-16-2004, 11:48 PM
So you admit, you know nothing about him, so he sucks ? How can you base this without any info ? Not coaching, but your evaluation .

So you know what you have with Mitchell , but he sucks too ? But yet you can't tell me why ?I wouldn't go so far as to say Mitchell sucks. I saw him when S.Florida played against Oklahoma on TV a couple of years ago. That was the first time I saw him. He was all over the field making tackles and stuffing guys for losses. Personally, I believe he still doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing half the time. He's thinking about his assignments instead of playing instinctively. The mental phase of the game takes time. Some guys "Get It" sooner. That may be why Scanlon isn't seeing the field outside of special teams. But then defense shouldn't be a chess game for these guys. It should be as Gaz puts it "Killing the pencil necked geek!!" :thumb:

royr17
12-17-2004, 12:01 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to say Mitchell sucks. I saw him when S.Florida played against Oklahoma on TV a couple of years ago. That was the first time I saw him. He was all over the field making tackles and stuffing guys for losses. Personally, I believe he still doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing half the time. He's thinking about his assignments instead of playing instinctively. The mental phase of the game takes time. Some guys "Get It" sooner. That may be why Scanlon isn't seeing the field outside of special teams. But then defense shouldn't be a chess game for these guys. It should be as Gaz puts it "Killing the pencil necked geek!!" :thumb:

That is exactly the problem, he's thinking about it instead of following his instincts, I have a better feeling that if he would just follow his instincts that he would do a good job.

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 01:08 AM
Funny that none of you are man enough
This post is golden.

What a classic.

SNR
12-17-2004, 06:02 AM
This post is golden.

What a classic.Shut up, troll



[/sarcasm]

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 06:44 AM
This post is golden.

What a classic.

The facts remain, NOBODY has mentioned why Rich sucks, as most of the posters claim. Only that he is a backup, what does that tell you.

It is the opinion that none of you had seen him enough to have a fair take on his playing ability. It's much easier to throw out the common blanket answers. That's nothing but classic bullshit.The fact that I have seen enough to have an opinion, I'm grilled because you haven't seen him ? This doesn't set well with your evaluation of a player and kills your opinions and comments.

Again, it all comes down to opinions. The few on here that are calling for Rich to have some playing time because Mitchell sucks is no different than any member wanting to see any player on the roster play because of current players we have on defense who currently suck.

Again, you people claim I pimp Rich, that's fine I can live with this, but somebody, anybody that's man enough to coment on why Rich sucks lay it out on the table,break it down, ( if you can ) why ,In Your Opinion Why Rich is not as good as Mitchell. What is the difference in the play of these two guys ?

That's all I ask, if you want to bash a player, back it up with proof, give us some reasons, the difference in players ability......... otherwise, your blanket answers and comments don't hold any value to your claim.

OK, GoChiefs..... I didn't run and hide, I went to bed to get some much needed rest.

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 06:45 AM
They both suck. Beisel is our true MLB.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 06:49 AM
They both suck. Beisel is our true MLB.

True ? No way, but I can honestly say that I saw things out of Beisel that Mitchell wasn't doing in just a few games.

The same few,limited games I saw Rich play.

IMHO, Mitchell lacks what he needs upstairs to play the position, reasoning for the out of place, position many times.

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 06:57 AM
True ? No way, but I can honestly say that I saw things out of Beisel that Mitchell wasn't doing in just a few games.

The same few,limited games I saw Rich play.

IMHO, Mitchell lacks what he needs upstairs to play the position, reasoning for the out of place, position many times.
Mitchell HAS improved though, IMO.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 07:02 AM
Mitchell HAS improved though, IMO.

No doubt, he has, IMHO,problem is at the rate he is improving, it will take another 3 years for him to develope into a good MLB.

Do we have that kind of time to wait ?

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 07:05 AM
No doubt, he has, IMHO,problem is at the rate he is improving, it will take another 3 years for him to develope into a good MLB.

Do we have that kind of time to wait ?
I hate to say this, but I think i'll have to rely on what DV and Gunther think. If he improves enough in this offseason he could be our MLB. If he continues to improve slowly, i'd say its time to bring a FA in.

But, what about Maz? Is he coming back? Should Beisel be able to compete for PT?

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 07:08 AM
I hate to say this, but I think i'll have to rely on what DV and Gunther think. If he improves enough in this offseason he could be our MLB. If he continues to improve slowly, i'd say its time to bring a FA in.

But, what about Maz? Is he coming back? Should Beisel be able to compete for PT?

IMHO, I don't see maz getting back on the field.

IMHO, depending on how Rich does in NFLE, I see us addressing the MLB in FA or draft again.

Yes, if Rich isn't going to get to play, IMHO, Beisel should play. He needs valuable time at LB to see if the move will pan out.

Raiderhader
12-17-2004, 08:58 AM
True ? No way, but I can honestly say that I saw things out of Beisel that Mitchell wasn't doing in just a few games.

The same few,limited games I saw Rich play.

IMHO, Mitchell lacks what he needs upstairs to play the position, reasoning for the out of place, position many times.


I have to call BS on this. Beisel saw a lot more playing time than did Scanlon. With Beisel you have substantial playing time to make a semi-solid conclusion on his ability. With Scanlon you have a handful of plays. There is nothing there to suggest that he was the guy we needed this year.

Raiderhader
12-17-2004, 09:07 AM
So your opinion is, because the coachs says so ?

If the coaches wanted to go with experenced players and the lone drafted LB, it makes it right.

Has anybody told you lately we suck because of our coaching and FO decisions ?

Sorry,I have little trust in them elavating talent anymore.


You mean like the talent they evaluated when they signed Scanlon as an undrafted FA?

Got yourself in a bit of quandry now, don't you?

Lzen
12-17-2004, 09:10 AM
Wow, I did not realize that Scanlon looked that good in his senior year at Syracuse. Those stats are impressive. Especially against good teams like Miami and Pitt:
At Pittsburgh, recorded six solo tackles and five assisted stops, including assisting on one tackle for a loss of six yards

Does that mean he had 11 tackles? If so, then this means he had 17 tackles at Miami.

Had 10 solo tackles and seven assisted stops at Miami

Maybe the guy will become a good NFL player someday. Honestly, I would have to say that I've not seen enough of him to make a real evaluation. But I do know that the coaching staff sees him in practice every day and on game films. Maybe they just haven't seen enough out of him yet. Perhaps he hasn't grasped the more complex NFL schemes yet. Or perhaps they are not ready to give up on their 2nd round draft choice just yet. And of course we all know that sometimes a guy just needs to be given that chance. I just don't think any of us fans know one way or the other at this point.

Skip Towne
12-17-2004, 09:18 AM
None of you has seen enough of him to tell what he has or hasn't got. Yet this debate rages on for pages and pages. It reminds me of a religeous argument.

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 09:19 AM
None of you has seen enough of him to tell what he has or hasn't got. Yet this debate rages on for pages and pages. It reminds me of a religeous argument.
Start Moses at MLB!

Skip Towne
12-17-2004, 09:21 AM
Start Moses at MLB!
Nah. He hasn't got a nose for the ball.

NY CHIEF
12-17-2004, 09:35 AM
Just my 2 cents, as i live in syracuse i have watched scanlon and sampson for 4 full seasons live at the dome! Beleve it or not the scouting reports are correct, they both are studs.Give them a fair chance if they suck cut them but i dont think so. As far as gunthers knowledge of defense i question his hard headedness. This d sucks as its been gutted for over 500 yds its hard to watch anymore!! We need players now!!!! give them a chance :hmmm:

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 09:36 AM
Start Moses at MLB!
JJ Moses?

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 09:41 AM
JJ Moses?
Well, y'know... Dante Hall SUCKS!

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 09:44 AM
Well, y'know... Dante Hall SUCKS!
Just give him a chance, man. He is awesome. Oh well, everyone has their opinion, etc etc etc.

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:44 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=105826

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:48 AM
Now this was college ball, he has excelled in every level he has played in."I've won championships at every level I've ever played at... well, except high school and college." - Shaqocrates

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:49 AM
Rich Scanlon #57

Linebacker 6-1 255
Sophomore
Oradell, NJ / Bergen Catholic Huh... he went to the same high school as Sean Banks.

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:53 AM
Im sorry raiderhader, but that is just wrong of you to call her thats she is a very nice and sweet person, and calling her that is out of line it is wrong.

If you had ever talk to her before you would know more about her than you think she's nothing like that and actually is a very good friend of mine, and calling her those type of names because Rich is her friend and got her into football is flat out ridicoulus.

IT'S UNCALLED FOR.Oh, good God.

Shut up, choad.

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:54 AM
More mindless dribble from a pointless jerk .........It's DRIVEL. Not "dribble."

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:55 AM
Shut up GOATCHEESE and go be with your gay boyfriend Johnnie Morton !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Your dad's probably sucking Scanlon off THIS VERY MOMENT.

Troll.

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 09:55 AM
I'm far too lazy to read this whole thread.

Glad Psicosis is here to quote the highlights for me.

Skip Towne
12-17-2004, 09:57 AM
Huh... he went to the same high school as Sean Banks.
Who is Sean Banks? Does he work at the Post Office?

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 09:59 AM
Who is Sean Banks? The 2003-2004 ESPN National Freshman of the Year in college basketball.

Does he work at the Post Office?He may, if he doesn't get his shit together.

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 10:01 AM
The 2003-2004 ESPN National Freshman of the Year in college basketball.

He may, if he doesn't get his shit together.
Wasn't he suspended?

Skip Towne
12-17-2004, 10:02 AM
The 2003-2004 ESPN National Freshman of the Year in college basketball.

He may, if he doesn't get his shit together.
Who does he play for?

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 10:03 AM
IMHO, I don't see maz getting back on the field.

IMHO, depending on how Rich does in NFLE, I see us addressing the MLB in FA or draft again.

Yes, if Rich isn't going to get to play, IMHO, Beisel should play. He needs valuable time at LB to see if the move will pan out.We should wait and see if our undrafted rookie MLB pans out before otherwise addressing the MLB position. ROFL

"Screw Takeo Spikes! We don't want to trade a fifth-rounder, Taye Diggs' latest batch of shaved hair, and Omar Easy for him! We've got Rich Scanlon, fool!"

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 10:03 AM
Who does he play for?
The 5-4 in ESPN's Bottom 10 Memphis Tigers.

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 10:04 AM
The 5-4 in ESPN's Bottom 10 Memphis Tigers.Keep talking. What will you be saying when we're 5-5 with a loss to Austin Peay, bitch?!

And actually, he's not technically playing, what with the suspension and all.

Cue GoJBret for some Yoda line about jealousy in regards to Banks.

Skip Towne
12-17-2004, 10:11 AM
Keep talking. What will you be saying when we're 5-5 with a loss to Austin Peay, bitch?!

And actually, he's not technically playing, what with the suspension and all.

Cue GoJBret for some Yoda line about jealousy in regards to Banks.
Suspension? You mean Memphis has yet another thug on it's team?

KCTitus
12-17-2004, 10:12 AM
Another flame out...really disappointing Scanlon thread.

Psi: Im suprised you missed the one where one of the Scanlon5 posted that Scanlon couldnt beat out a 4 year starter who was too small for the NFL in college, but is expected to dominate in the NFL.

A classic, IMO.

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 10:14 AM
Another flame out...really disappointing Scanlon thread.

Psi: Im suprised you missed the one where one of the Scanlon5 posted that Scanlon couldnt beat out a 4 year starter who was too small for the NFL in college, but is expected to dominate in the NFL.

A classic, IMO.That was really too choice to even comment on.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 10:15 AM
I have to call BS on this. Beisel saw a lot more playing time than did Scanlon. With Beisel you have substantial playing time to make a semi-solid conclusion on his ability. With Scanlon you have a handful of plays. There is nothing there to suggest that he was the guy we needed this year.

Opinions are just opinions Jamie. Rich played alot the 1st 2 games, led the team in tackles in less playing time that the starters did. Just a fact.

All I have ever wanted if for him to get some action now to see if he is in fact beter than Mitchell, which I believe he is .

How can you fault that ?

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 10:16 AM
You mean like the talent they evaluated when they signed Scanlon as an undrafted FA?

Got yourself in a bit of quandry now, don't you?

Quandry ? Hardly not, if he had no talent, he wouldn't be here .

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 10:17 AM
Wow, I did not realize that Scanlon looked that good in his senior year at Syracuse. Those stats are impressive. Especially against good teams like Miami and Pitt:


Does that mean he had 11 tackles? If so, then this means he had 17 tackles at Miami.



Maybe the guy will become a good NFL player someday. Honestly, I would have to say that I've not seen enough of him to make a real evaluation. But I do know that the coaching staff sees him in practice every day and on game films. Maybe they just haven't seen enough out of him yet. Perhaps he hasn't grasped the more complex NFL schemes yet. Or perhaps they are not ready to give up on their 2nd round draft choice just yet. And of course we all know that sometimes a guy just needs to be given that chance. I just don't think any of us fans know one way or the other at this point.

Exactly my point, he played against top notch talent, he can play. We need to see if he can in the NFL.

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 10:18 AM
Quandry ? Hardly not, if he had no talent, he wouldn't be here .
If we hadn't been hurt by injuries at LB, would he be here?

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 10:27 AM
If we hadn't been hurt by injuries at LB, would he be here?

Can't answer that one for you, nobody can at this point. But I'll play along with ya and keep this one going..... maybe starting as a MLB on a NFL team ?

I really don't know, answering this honestly is like you guys giving a honest take as why he sucks. You can't !


Just blanket answers and comments about coaches opinions.

"Some kids never shine until given a chance on the field. Don't get me wrong, they can shine enought to earn a roster spot, but you never really know untill they get on the field in game times situations. "
BTW, this was a quote by DV ,himself.

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 10:35 AM
Just blanket answers

When I lay things out for you thats all you give as well...

I laid out step my step the video evaluation process of a HS program. It was pretty obvious that anyone who played on the team "got a chance" through practice. It is obvious that this process would be more intense on an NFL. Way more involved, way more intense. It also made it clear that the people making the decisions have watche both players far and away more than you have. More than any of us have. Lets even take the coaches out of it...who's opinion are you going to go with in ANY situation...

The guy who watched a few preseason games on TV.

Or the guy who has watched an exhausting amount of video and seen the the player workout and play in front of him with his own eyes extinsively.

Try and explain to me how "he has not gotten a chance"

If Rich has not gotten a chance then how is Jared Allen on the field? Obviously he did something to go from where Rich is now to take the field. The coaches must have seen how well he does in practice and his skills were obvious so they let him play. Funny how that works.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:21 AM
I'm not going thru this shit again..... Really.

Screw HS football......
Screw TC evaluations .....

All of it.......

All I want to see is him on the field playing, then and only then we all can see if he deserves to be out there or not.

End of story ........ On to something else !

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 11:23 AM
Screw TC evaluations .....


You do realize you have been attacking us for not giving you any concrete things and just giving you opinions right? ROFL

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:27 AM
ROFL


And what is so amusing to you may I ask ?

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 11:28 AM
And what is so amusing to you may I ask ?
I added a little bit to that post.

You have been attacking us for only using opinions. And then you are throwing the importance of training camp out the door.

I actully laughed out loud.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:36 AM
I added a little bit to that post.

You have been attacking us for only using opinions. And then you are throwing the importance of training camp out the door.

I actully laughed out loud.

I see, standard procedure. Adding to or taking away from what was posted. :hmmm:

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 11:37 AM
I see, standard procedure. Adding to or taking away from what was posted. :hmmm:
Fine. I will use your words "Screw TC Evaluations"

ROFL

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 11:38 AM
Fine. I will use your words "Screw TC Evaluations"

ROFL
Evaluations are the biggest erason there is TC.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:42 AM
You do realize you have been attacking us for not giving you any concrete things and just giving you opinions right? ROFL


All I have ever claimed is my opinions and facts from college and / or 2 preseason games.

The fact that have been claimed against him is, he sucks and the coaches don't play him . It seems that nobody payed any attention to him in those 2 games.

Again, it's only opinions, that's all !

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 11:44 AM
All I have ever claimed is my opinions and facts from college and / or 2 preseason games.

The fact that have been claimed against him is, he sucks and the coaches don't play him . It seems that nobody payed any attention to him in those 2 games.

Again, it's only opinions, that's all !
Thats great but it has nothing to do with you throwing out "TC Evaluations" I appreciate the chuckles.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:45 AM
Evaluations are the biggest erason there is TC.

Is that written in stone ?


Does game day play mean anything ?

Again, DV says ......

"Some kids never shine until given a chance on the field. Don't get me wrong, they can shine enought to earn a roster spot, but you never really know untill they get on the field in game times situations. "

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 11:48 AM
Thats great but it has nothing to do with you throwing out "TC Evaluations" I appreciate the chuckles.

LJ didn't do enough in TC to earn the # 2 spot. But since the injuries, he moved up and got the chance to shine.

Does DV's comments mean anything now ?

"Some kids never shine until given a chance on the field. Don't get me wrong, they can shine enought to earn a roster spot, but you never really know untill they get on the field in game times situations. "

Ultra Peanut
12-17-2004, 11:53 AM
Roy, I think you've pretty much already killed that quote and jizzed onto its corpse by now.

Saulbadguy
12-17-2004, 12:18 PM
We never gave Cliff Crosby a fighting chance. He even had an interception!

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 12:20 PM
I find it absolutely amazing how much this "debate" rages on and on and on...

In a couple years a google search of "Rich Scanlon" will return 30 ChiefsPlanet threads... and nothing else.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 12:22 PM
I find it absolutely amazing how much this "debate" rages on and on and on...

In a couple years a google search of "Rich Scanlon" will return 30 ChiefsPlanet threads... and nothing else.


Amazing huh ..... ROFL


I was looking the other day for some old draft reports, I ran across a couple from here off of google.

Scanfan55
12-17-2004, 12:53 PM
I find it absolutely amazing how much this "debate" rages on and on and on...

In a couple years a google search of "Rich Scanlon" will return 30 ChiefsPlanet threads... and nothing else.

Maybe, maybe not. No one knows for certain. But one thing is true, he has done far better than any of you couch potato wannabes. Those than can do, those that can't talk about those that can. 4321

KCTitus
12-17-2004, 12:56 PM
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows for certain. But one thing is true, he has done far better than any of you couch potato wannabes. Those than can do, those that can't talk about those that can.

Not really, I have as many NFL starts as he does. Oh, and FTR, I dont 'wannabe' an NFL player, I prefer watching.

ptlyon
12-17-2004, 12:56 PM
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows for certain. But one thing is true, he has done far better than any of you couch potato wannabes. Those than can do, those that can't talk about those that can. 4321

No wonder he is in the starting lineup

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:20 PM
The fact that I have seen enough to have an opinion


That is complete horsecrap. You know nothing more about Scanlon than anyone else on this BB.

Taco John
12-17-2004, 03:26 PM
Wow. What a freaking powder keg!

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:27 PM
That is complete horsecrap. You know nothing more about Scanlon than anyone else on this BB.

So now you can judge my opinions ?

Did you watch him in the 1st 2 games ?

If not, you caught him in the last 2, right ?


Why should I not have a right to believe my opinions ?

Last night, you avoided all my questions, are you going to do it now , again ?

Dartgod
12-17-2004, 03:27 PM
Wow. What a freaking powder keg!
I warned you.

http://www.kidport.com/RefLib/Science/Animals/Images/Worms.JPG

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 03:28 PM
Wow. What a freaking powder keg!
Remember your one smiley post?

Yeah, you could pull that on Scanlon now.

Bwana
12-17-2004, 03:28 PM
Good Gawd.........This pissing match is still going strong? :shake:

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:28 PM
Wow. What a freaking powder keg!
:spock:

royr17
12-17-2004, 03:29 PM
May i ask, why all the neg rep im getting over Scanlon, i mean im just stating my opinion, and gochiefs just gives neg rep to give neg rep ...

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 03:30 PM
Good Gawd.........This pissing match is still going strong? :shake:
It won't end until Scanlon is drummed out of the league.

I'm not even sure it would end then.

chiefs4me
12-17-2004, 03:30 PM
I know he has a big nose,,,,,,ROFL

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:31 PM
I agree, this is getting old. But the day someone tells me I can't have an opinion is the day I have seen it all.

Hands are washed !

Done deal !

Bwana
12-17-2004, 03:32 PM
It won't end until Scanlon is drummed out of the league.



Or is sitting in the Hall of fame. :p

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 03:33 PM
Or is sitting in the Hall of fame. :p
That DEFINITELY wouldn't end it.

The only way for it to end is for dude to completely disappear... but, just leaving the league might not do that.

I'm really looking forward to the first, "Scanlon wins the Grey Cup!" thread.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:35 PM
That DEFINITELY wouldn't end it.

The only way for it to end is for dude to completely disappear... but, just leaving the league might not do that.

I'm really looking forward to the first, "Scanlon wins the Grey Cup!" thread.

ROFL


Hey, it's a positive ! ROFL

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 03:36 PM
I agree, this is getting old. But the day someone tells me I can't have an opinion is the day I have seen it all.


Who told you that you can't have an opinion?

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:45 PM
May i ask, why all the neg rep im getting over Scanlon, i mean im just stating my opinion, and gochiefs just gives neg rep to give neg rep ...

More neg rep for complaining.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:48 PM
So now you can judge my opinions ?

Did you watch him in the 1st 2 games ?

If not, you caught him in the last 2, right ?


Why should I not have a right to believe my opinions ?

Last night, you avoided all my questions, are you going to do it now , again ?

Your opinion is based on almost nothing. It's worthless. Sorry, but there is not a large enough sample of data to judge Scanlon on ANYTHING. So far he has done nothing to separate himself from the rest of the crap warming the bench.

I didn't avoid your questions. They are unanswerable.

royr17
12-17-2004, 03:53 PM
More neg rep for complaining.

Hey, 2 can play that game

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:54 PM
Your opinion is based on almost nothing. It's worthless. Sorry, but there is not a large enough sample of data to judge Scanlon on ANYTHING. So far he has done nothing to separate himself from the rest of the crap warming the bench.

I didn't avoid your questions. They are unanswerable.

They were simple questions that had simple answers you could have answered, you choose not to.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:55 PM
Hey, 2 can play that game

Said the fly to the tyrannosaurus.

ROYC75
12-17-2004, 03:55 PM
Mods, I request this thread to be locked if you see fit, time to end this shit.

It's pointless and starting to annoy many.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:56 PM
They were simple questions that had simple answers you could have answered, you choose not to.

Bullshit. No one can answer any questions concerning how good OR bad Scanlon is. There is nothing to judge him by.

You see a guy make a couple of plays in preseason and you get "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome.

Bwana
12-17-2004, 03:57 PM
Mods, I request this thread to be locked if you see fit, time to end this shit.

It's pointless and starting to annoy many.

Yeah, it has turned into one big cluster f*ck. :shake:

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 03:57 PM
Mods, I request this thread to be locked if you see fit, time to end this shit.

It's pointless and starting to annoy many.
Mods, let Roy post as though he is not have a part in being responsible for these threads getting like they are. His lack of understanding about how these things have come about is starting to annoy many.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:57 PM
ROFL

royr17
12-17-2004, 03:57 PM
Im done with the SCANLON thread, IM DONE WITH IT.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 03:58 PM
Im done with SCANLON, IM DONE WITH IT.

Wow, you have seen the light of day no doubt. Join the Scanlon Sucks club.

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 03:59 PM
ROFL
Whoa...I am sad to admit that I am up to 3 neg reps given at my time at CP. It has been a looong time though.

Claynus
12-17-2004, 04:00 PM
Whoa...I am sad to admit that I am up to 3 neg reps given at my time at CP. It has been a looong time though.

Troll.

ENDelt260
12-17-2004, 04:01 PM
III, you're wasting your effort neg repping JBret. You're in the red.. your rep is worthless.

Big Roy, locking this thread changes nothing. Another thread will be along soon enough that you and III will get involved in another round and round about Scanlon on. If you truly have the willpower to avoid the future thread, then you can avoid continuing on this one now.

FloridaChief
12-17-2004, 04:02 PM
Whoa...I am sad to admit that I am up to 3 neg reps given at my time at CP. It has been a looong time though.

Only three? You seriously need to get on Phony_Freakshow_Fan's bad side...

Claynus
12-17-2004, 04:02 PM
III, you're wasting your effort neg repping JBret. You're in the red.. your rep is worthless.

Big Roy, locking this thread changes nothing. Another thread will be along soon enough that you and III will get involved in another round and round about Scanlon on. If you truly have the willpower to avoid the future thread, then you can avoid continuing on this one now.

SHUT UP ROY IS OLDER THAN YOU AND THEREFORE SMARTER

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 04:02 PM
III, you're wasting your effort neg repping JBret. You're in the red.. your rep is worthless.

Big Roy, locking this thread changes nothing. Another thread will be along soon enough that you and III will get involved in another round and round about Scanlon on. If you truly have the willpower to avoid the future thread, then you can avoid continuing on this one now.
Who are you to tell him he can't have an opinion? ROFL

|Zach|
12-17-2004, 04:02 PM
Only three? You seriously need to get on Phony_Freakshow_Fan's bad side...
I have gotten a fair share of neg rep. But have only given out 3.