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Gaz
12-21-2004, 07:50 AM
Personally, I despise the “lose for draft picks” mindset, but I am curious as to the consensus [heh, as if] of the Planet.

xoxo~
Gaz
Looking for a trend.

RedNeckRaider
12-21-2004, 08:00 AM
My favorite team is in the same boat, but I can't bring myself to think go for the draft pick. If the 1st overall pick was on the line on the last game of the season, I would be cheering my a$$ off for a win.

mikey23545
12-21-2004, 08:01 AM
Exactly.

Losers think about playing for draft picks.

Warrior5
12-21-2004, 08:19 AM
Win, always. Especially against the Raiders. On Christmas day. In Arrowhead.

Rausch
12-21-2004, 09:09 AM
I'd prefer to finish 2nd in the division...

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-21-2004, 09:13 AM
It's the week for the Chiefs to show a real commitment to excellence. Just win baby!




:)

Radar Chief
12-21-2004, 09:14 AM
The difference in draft position between finishing 6-10 to 8-8 is so small that IMO it makes no sense to cheer for the draft pick. Not that I’d ever cheer for the Chiefs to loose.

Ugly Duck
12-21-2004, 09:20 AM
Losers think about playing for draft picks.
Thinkers lose playing for draft picks.

Stinger
12-21-2004, 09:21 AM
You never ... ever play to lose :cuss:

HC_Chief
12-21-2004, 09:26 AM
I don't like the choices.

My choice would be to play as many of the young guys as much as possible. Like Fatlock said, it should not have taken this long for Samie Parker and LJ to get PT. Play the young guys, determine which ones are worth retaining and <b>play to win</b>.

Raiderhader
12-21-2004, 09:31 AM
I do not understand the mindset behind the play for draft picks either. You want your team to lose in HOPES that a high draft pick will solve our problems?

If it were a garunteed thing, then those of you who support this silly notion would have an argument. But until such time, I don't follow the team and take three hours out of my day to see them lose. F#ck that senseless sh!t.

Hoover
12-21-2004, 09:31 AM
There was a time this year when I wanted to lose for Draft picks, but I think its best for a team to when no matter what.

Raiderhader
12-21-2004, 09:33 AM
There was a time this year when I wanted to lose for Draft picks, but I think its best for a team to when no matter what.


Whoa! Dude! For a second there I thought that there was time LAST year when you wanted to play for draft picks (I don't know how I saw that....). I was like WTF?

Phobia
12-21-2004, 09:43 AM
If I'm gonna watch my team lose 8 games and miss the playoffs, I'd rather see them lose 12 and have a top 5 draft pick.

Do you know the difference between last year's 8-8 teams and the 4-12 teams? All of them were sitting at home for the playoffs but only the top 5 picks got blue chip prospects.

It's easy to make this argument and say I want my team to lose, but when the game is on I'm cheering for a win.

Rain Man
12-21-2004, 09:44 AM
Win. Win win. Win win win. Win win win win win win win.

Thig Lyfe
12-21-2004, 09:49 AM
Losing for draft picks is only asking for disappointment, what with Carl doing the drafting.

KevB
12-21-2004, 11:56 AM
Always cheer for them to win, and expect nothing less than their best effort. The silver lining after a loss is a higher spot in the draft. And yes, a higher pick does matter. If we get a top 10 pick, DV might actually consider playing him instead of saying he's a project.

HolmeZz
12-21-2004, 12:12 PM
We can't drop much further in the draft because we're already around the #18 slot, so nobody should want to play for draft picks now.

Earthling
12-21-2004, 12:17 PM
Just win baby!!

Cochise
12-21-2004, 12:18 PM
As long as you're not eliminated yet, win.

After you're eliminated, play the younger guys, try to develop and get better, but still play to win the game.

bogie
12-21-2004, 12:27 PM
win. always, always, always win. I understand the logic of losing for draft picks, however it's not in me. I'd rather take my chances.

Skip Towne
12-21-2004, 12:28 PM
Winning isn't everything.....it's the only thing.

Coogs
12-21-2004, 12:44 PM
Our record is 6-8 and we are still in the playoff hunt. Just win baby!

On the other hand, if we were 4-10, I would still cheer for the win, but wouldn't get all upset if we didn't win either.

ROYC75
12-21-2004, 12:45 PM
You always play to win, but in a season as this one, I agree you must play the bench players to evaluate their ability. Some guys are gamers, only show up during games, some can show it allyear in practice.

How else do you know for sure what you have if they never play, playing means experence, all players need that .

Zebedee DuBois
12-21-2004, 12:48 PM
The draft pick thing lurks in the back of my mind.... but I could never hope to lose against the Brown cows, or the vile pirateers from alternating cities in California....or even the Chargers, who will surely foul up their big chance.

I want to see great things from our team every time they are on the field. Great offensive plays, of which there were many this year, although they couldn't seem to produce them in the 4th qtr in the first half of the year. I love exciting Special teams plays, whether it is a Dante runback or we are blocking a kick (reaching back many years for that). I love to see the defense blow up the play in the opposition's backfield.

That is what I want to see, or at least want to see them try to do on every play. I DON'T want to see them take plays off.

htismaqe
12-21-2004, 12:49 PM
Don't care, honestly.

If we win, great.

If we don't, we get a good draft pick. Also great.

I do wish they'd play some of the younger guys more.

Skip Towne
12-21-2004, 12:49 PM
You always play to win, but in a season as this one, I agree you must play the bench players to evaluate their ability. Some guys are gamers, only show up during games, some can show it allyear in practice.

How else do you know for sure what you have if they never play, playing means experence, all players need that .
...except Art Still.

go bowe
12-21-2004, 12:58 PM
If I'm gonna watch my team lose 8 games and miss the playoffs, I'd rather see them lose 12 and have a top 5 draft pick.

Do you know the difference between last year's 8-8 teams and the 4-12 teams? All of them were sitting at home for the playoffs but only the top 5 picks got blue chip prospects.

It's easy to make this argument and say I want my team to lose, but when the game is on I'm cheering for a win.what he said...

i want to get better picks, but i always cheer them on during the games, hoping for a win...

it's a confusing situation... :huh: :huh: :huh:

htismaqe
12-21-2004, 01:46 PM
Right now, we're going to get neither.

We're at the bottom of the 6-8 teams right now, meaning if the season ended today, we'd be picking about 17th. :banghead:

go bowe
12-21-2004, 01:48 PM
Right now, we're going to get neither.

We're at the bottom of the 6-8 teams right now, meaning if the season ended today, we'd be picking about 17th. :banghead:dammit carl!!

Coogs
12-21-2004, 01:49 PM
Right now, we're going to get neither.

We're at the bottom of the 6-8 teams right now, meaning if the season ended today, we'd be picking about 17th. :banghead:

Don't want to ruin your day, but we pick 18th...

1 San Francisco 2-12 .478
2 Miami 3-11 .545
3 Cleveland 3-11 .589
4 Tennessee 4-10 .513
5 Arizona 5-9 .451
6 Chicago 5-9 .473
7 Tampa Bay 5-9 .473
8 Washington 5-9 .489
9 Detroit 5-9 .513
10 Dallas 5-9 .513
11 San Diego (from New York Giants**) 5-9 .527
12 Oakland 5-9 .571
13 New Orleans 6-8 .478
14 St. Louis 6-8 .491
15x Carolina 6-8 .513
16x Houston 6-8 .513
17 Cincinnati 6-8 .540
18 Kansas City 6-8 .558
19 Seattle 7-7 .446
20 Green Bay 8-6 .469
21 Minnesota 8-6 .473
22 Denver 8-6 .491
23 Dallas (from Buffalo*) 8-6 .505
24 Jacksonville 8-6 .531
25 Baltimore 8-6 .545
26 New York Jets 10-4 .505
27 Atlanta 11-3 .412
28 San Diego 11-3 .482
29 Indianapolis 11-3 .500
30 New England 12-2 .487
31 Philadelphia 13-1 .438
32 Pittsburgh 13-1 .482
* Buffalo's 1st pick would be #54
** NY Giants 1st pick would be #42

Chiefnj
12-21-2004, 01:54 PM
Although I find myself watching college ball and hoping certain players end up in KC, the Chiefs rarely draft the way I want them to do (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) so I just don't see the point in hoping for draft picks. If you think the gang is going to focus only on defense I think you will probably be disappointed. It is Roaf's last year and Shields isn't getting any younger.

htismaqe
12-21-2004, 01:56 PM
Don't want to ruin your day, but we pick 18th...

1 San Francisco 2-12 .478
2 Miami 3-11 .545
3 Cleveland 3-11 .589
4 Tennessee 4-10 .513
5 Arizona 5-9 .451
6 Chicago 5-9 .473
7 Tampa Bay 5-9 .473
8 Washington 5-9 .489
9 Detroit 5-9 .513
10 Dallas 5-9 .513
11 San Diego (from New York Giants**) 5-9 .527
12 Oakland 5-9 .571
13 New Orleans 6-8 .478
14 St. Louis 6-8 .491
15x Carolina 6-8 .513
16x Houston 6-8 .513
17 Cincinnati 6-8 .540
18 Kansas City 6-8 .558
19 Seattle 7-7 .446
20 Green Bay 8-6 .469
21 Minnesota 8-6 .473
22 Denver 8-6 .491
23 Dallas (from Buffalo*) 8-6 .505
24 Jacksonville 8-6 .531
25 Baltimore 8-6 .545
26 New York Jets 10-4 .505
27 Atlanta 11-3 .412
28 San Diego 11-3 .482
29 Indianapolis 11-3 .500
30 New England 12-2 .487
31 Philadelphia 13-1 .438
32 Pittsburgh 13-1 .482
* Buffalo's 1st pick would be #54
** NY Giants 1st pick would be #42

that's why I said "ABOUT" 17th... :p

King_Chief_Fan
12-21-2004, 02:04 PM
Don't want to ruin your day, but we pick 18th...

1 San Francisco 2-12 .478
2 Miami 3-11 .545
3 Cleveland 3-11 .589
4 Tennessee 4-10 .513
5 Arizona 5-9 .451
6 Chicago 5-9 .473
7 Tampa Bay 5-9 .473
8 Washington 5-9 .489
9 Detroit 5-9 .513
10 Dallas 5-9 .513
11 San Diego (from New York Giants**) 5-9 .527
12 Oakland 5-9 .571
13 New Orleans 6-8 .478
14 St. Louis 6-8 .491
15x Carolina 6-8 .513
16x Houston 6-8 .513
17 Cincinnati 6-8 .540
18 Kansas City 6-8 .558
19 Seattle 7-7 .446
20 Green Bay 8-6 .469
21 Minnesota 8-6 .473
22 Denver 8-6 .491
23 Dallas (from Buffalo*) 8-6 .505
24 Jacksonville 8-6 .531
25 Baltimore 8-6 .545
26 New York Jets 10-4 .505
27 Atlanta 11-3 .412
28 San Diego 11-3 .482
29 Indianapolis 11-3 .500
30 New England 12-2 .487
31 Philadelphia 13-1 .438
32 Pittsburgh 13-1 .482
* Buffalo's 1st pick would be #54
** NY Giants 1st pick would be #42

man, the whole NFC really sucks
as long as we pick ahead of Denver, I am happy

Mr. Laz
12-21-2004, 02:06 PM
If I'm gonna watch my team lose 8 games and miss the playoffs, I'd rather see them lose 12 and have a top 5 draft pick.

Do you know the difference between last year's 8-8 teams and the 4-12 teams? All of them were sitting at home for the playoffs but only the top 5 picks got blue chip prospects.

It's easy to make this argument and say I want my team to lose, but when the game is on I'm cheering for a win.
yep


i always cheer for them to win ... but my mind knows that it's best to lose and get the draft pick.



win a meaningless game Versus better chance to win next year when it counts.

Chiefnj
12-21-2004, 02:10 PM
The Chiefs have traded up or down the last three years. CP could do some manuevering, especially to pick up a third round pick.

Mr. Laz
12-21-2004, 02:10 PM
Exactly.

Losers think about playing for draft picks.


Idiots ..... cut off your nose to spite your face

Cochise
12-21-2004, 02:11 PM
Don't want to ruin your day, but we pick 18th...

1 San Francisco 2-12 .478
2 Miami 3-11 .545
3 Cleveland 3-11 .589
4 Tennessee 4-10 .513
5 Arizona 5-9 .451
6 Chicago 5-9 .473
7 Tampa Bay 5-9 .473
8 Washington 5-9 .489
9 Detroit 5-9 .513
10 Dallas 5-9 .513
11 San Diego (from New York Giants**) 5-9 .527
12 Oakland 5-9 .571
13 New Orleans 6-8 .478
14 St. Louis 6-8 .491
15x Carolina 6-8 .513
16x Houston 6-8 .513
17 Cincinnati 6-8 .540
18 Kansas City 6-8 .558
19 Seattle 7-7 .446
20 Green Bay 8-6 .469
21 Minnesota 8-6 .473
22 Denver 8-6 .491
23 Dallas (from Buffalo*) 8-6 .505
24 Jacksonville 8-6 .531
25 Baltimore 8-6 .545
26 New York Jets 10-4 .505
27 Atlanta 11-3 .412
28 San Diego 11-3 .482
29 Indianapolis 11-3 .500
30 New England 12-2 .487
31 Philadelphia 13-1 .438
32 Pittsburgh 13-1 .482
* Buffalo's 1st pick would be #54
** NY Giants 1st pick would be #42

Looks to me like we could still pick all over the place depending on how it turns out.

If we lose 2 and end up 6-10, we could end up picking around #5 right? Depending on how it all plays out. The only teams we can't catch up to are the ones with 11 losses already.

Just depends on what happens the next two weeks.

PastorMikH
12-21-2004, 03:03 PM
I was all for losing when I didn't think we were still in the playoff hunt. However, since we are still in the hunt (no matter how remote) I think we need to pour it on and get wins every game. Who knows, if by some strange act of fate we actually get in to the playoffs, we could be VERY dangerous to face.

Calcountry
12-21-2004, 03:04 PM
Is it just me, or whenever Gaz posts a poll, he always says "Bite me Gaz" in the Gaz option, implying that he may be open to such a suggestion. :hmmm: :p

ptlyon
12-21-2004, 03:08 PM
Is it just me, or whenever Gaz posts a poll, he always says "Bite me Gaz" in the Gaz option, implying that he may be open to such a suggestion. :hmmm: :p

Always. Started in 2002. It was a feature at Slobberknocker I.

Coogs
12-21-2004, 03:09 PM
that's why I said "ABOUT" 17th... :p

I thought maybe you were just guessing, so I posted the rankings. The good news is that there are some pretty good players listed 18th and down that we could use...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Thig Lyfe
12-21-2004, 03:19 PM
Win. Win win. Win win win. Win win win win win win win.

What he said.

ENDelt260
12-21-2004, 03:21 PM
Always. Started in 2002. It was a feature at Slobberknocker I.
Awesome. I've never seen that one before.

htismaqe
12-21-2004, 03:25 PM
I thought maybe you were just guessing, so I posted the rankings. The good news is that there are some pretty good players listed 18th and down that we could use...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Kevin Burnett out of Tennessee looks mighty nice at around the 20th pick or so...

mikey23545
12-21-2004, 03:30 PM
Idiots ..... cut off your nose to spite your face

Idiot...To think a losing record means instant success the following year....

I mean loser-idiot...

beavis
12-21-2004, 03:31 PM
If I'm gonna watch my team lose 8 games and miss the playoffs, I'd rather see them lose 12 and have a top 5 draft pick.

Do you know the difference between last year's 8-8 teams and the 4-12 teams? All of them were sitting at home for the playoffs but only the top 5 picks got blue chip prospects.

It's easy to make this argument and say I want my team to lose, but when the game is on I'm cheering for a win.
I couldn't agree with you more. We have nothing to gain by winning out, but losing only makes next years team better.

This is all of course a moot point, as none of us has any control over what happens.

Logical
12-21-2004, 03:31 PM
I could not vote for the do not lose ever option. I think we had a golden opportunity back when we were 3-8 and 4-8 to lose for a primo draft pick that we could not screw up. Now if we lose out we will have a crappy mid-level draft pick that I am confident Carl will screw up. So I voted for lose but Carl will screw it up due to the point we are at in the season. If only this poll had been 3 weeks ago I could have voted for the the first option.

Logical
12-21-2004, 03:38 PM
I do not understand the mindset behind the play for draft picks either. You want your team to lose in HOPES that a high draft pick will solve our problems?

If it were a garunteed thing, then those of you who support this silly notion would have an argument. But until such time, I don't follow the team and take three hours out of my day to see them lose. F#ck that senseless sh!t.

I understand your feelings, which is why I chose not to watch the Raiduh game. I could never root against my team but while not watching I could hold out hope that the losing for the long term benefit of the team could occur. Painless but pragmatic was my view of that approach.

Gaz
12-21-2004, 08:17 PM
Is it just me, or whenever Gaz posts a poll, he always says "Bite me Gaz" in the Gaz option, implying that he may be open to such a suggestion. :hmmm: :p

Bite me, bunnytrdr.

xoxo~
Gaz
Still in character even after working hours.

Skip Towne
12-21-2004, 08:45 PM
I could not vote for the do not lose ever option. I think we had a golden opportunity back when we were 3-8 and 4-8 to lose for a primo draft pick that we could not screw up. Now if we lose out we will have a crappy mid-level draft pick that I am confident Carl will screw up. So I voted for lose but Carl will screw it up due to the point we are at in the season. If only this poll had been 3 weeks ago I could have voted for the the first option.
Annnd thank you for that observation Mr. Sunshine. I'm so happy to hear your cheery messages. :p

Deberg_1990
12-21-2004, 08:47 PM
Draft picks, definately...

HemiEd
12-21-2004, 10:13 PM
Personally, I despise the “lose for draft picks” mindset, but I am curious as to the consensus [heh, as if] of the Planet.

xoxo~
Gaz
Looking for a trend.


I caught myself talking about draft picks when they were losing (justifying some kind of positive since I was sick inside) but now that they are winning again I am a happy person! Chiefs have been winners without drafting high, I think they average in the high teens from memory. Chicago must average in the top five and they continue to suck, choices like Curtis Enis, Rashaan Salam, Cabe Mcknown etc. Just win Baby!

craneref
12-21-2004, 10:18 PM
LOSE, ON PURPOSE, that is as close to blasephemy as it comes, wait a minute that is blasephemy. I follow one rule with competitive sports (or competitive anything really), I will never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never lose on purpose (unless the wife is involved and I know a BIGGER victory lies in the loss) GO CHIEFS