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Hoover
12-21-2004, 10:27 AM
If we win out we will win 5 in a row. Thats impressive.

I think its the best thing that could happen to this team.

Carl and DV are not stupid enough not to make changes on Defense two years in a row.

shaneo69
12-21-2004, 10:29 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.

ptlyon
12-21-2004, 10:30 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.

Now there's a positive outlook

bricks
12-21-2004, 10:31 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.

Ok, you said it. you are possibly setting yourself up to eat crow :p

Hoover
12-21-2004, 10:32 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.
What will San Diago have to play for?

They will not have a bye (New England, Pittsburgh or Indy will) I think they could rest some players. Plus, I think we can beat them anyway.

Cochise
12-21-2004, 10:37 AM
lazarus's head exploding in 3..2...1...

alanm
12-21-2004, 10:39 AM
Carl and DV are not stupid enough not to make changes on Defense two years in a row. Never underestimate the power of stupidity.:banghead::banghead::banghead::cuss:

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 10:40 AM
Carl and DV are not stupid enough not to make changes on Defense two years in a row.

That's a bet I wouldn't want to take.......

splatbass
12-21-2004, 10:43 AM
What will San Diago have to play for?

They will not have a bye (New England, Pittsburgh or Indy will) I think they could rest some players. Plus, I think we can beat them anyway.


I agree. I doubt if SD plays their starters for very long in a meaningless game.

penchief
12-21-2004, 10:50 AM
I agree. I doubt if SD plays their starters for very long in a meaningless game.

Plus, if our defense gets a confidence boost from last week and somehow manages to start improving and LJ continues to tear it up, we can beat SD. I think we have already shown that we can compete with them.

However, I don't know how much any AFC team would risk the chance of maybe having to possibly run into an underdog from their own division down the road in the playoffs..... considering how risky that can be. That may be incentive enough for SD to want to keep us out of the playoffs.

Especially when a home-run threat like LJ can be the difference in any game. Double-especially when he is also the type of back that can move the chains when you want to control the clock.

That is the kind of scenario that would probably make Marty a little queezy.

bobbything
12-21-2004, 10:53 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.
There is so much truth in this.

morphius
12-21-2004, 10:54 AM
Well, I hope that finishing strong puts us in position where a couple of D FA might think KC might be a place worth playing for to get their ring.

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 10:55 AM
Plus, if our defense gets a confidence boost from last week and somehow manages to start improving and LJ continues to tear it up, we can beat SD. I think we have already shown that we can compete with them.

However, I don't know how much any AFC team would risk the chance of maybe having to possibly run into an underdog from their own division down the road in the playoffs..... considering how risky that can be. That may be incentive enough for SD to want to keep us out of the playoffs.

Especially when a home-run threat like LJ can be the difference in any game. Double-especially when he is also the type of back that can move the chains when you want to control the clock.

Regardless of how this all turns out, there is going to be one major plus. Our younger guys have been getting a lot of PT. I've seen a lot of Jordan Black, Benny Sapp, Kawicka Mitchell, Larry Johnson, etc. I'm starting to get to see more of Samie Parker, Harts, Pile and hopefully Fox. This is all a very good thing. We need to find out who we have that's worth keeping for 2005-06, mainly on the Defense, but also with our OL reserves.

Win or lose, playoffs or not, there are some auditions going on right now. Pretty fun to watch, IMO......

splatbass
12-21-2004, 10:58 AM
Regardless of how this all turns out, there is going to be one major plus. Our younger guys have been getting a lot of PT. I've seen a lot of Jordan Black, Benny Sapp, Kawicka Mitchell, Larry Johnson, etc. I'm starting to get to see more of Samie Parker, Harts, Pile and hopefully Fox. This is all a very good thing. We need to find out who we have that's worth keeping for 2005-06, mainly on the Defense, but also with our OL reserves.

Win or lose, playoffs or not, there are some auditions going on right now. Pretty fun to watch, IMO......

A couple of those guys have played pretty well. I saw Sapp make several plays Sunday.

Frosty
12-21-2004, 11:07 AM
Regardless of how this all turns out, there is going to be one major plus. Our younger guys have been getting a lot of PT. I've seen a lot of Jordan Black, Benny Sapp, Kawicka Mitchell, Larry Johnson, etc. I'm starting to get to see more of Samie Parker, Harts, Pile and hopefully Fox.

It's funny, when the Chiefs went to 3-8, a lot of people wanted the Chiefs to play their young players and lose for a better draft pick. Instead, they are playing a lot of their young players and winning. :hmmm:

alanm
12-21-2004, 11:11 AM
A couple of those guys have played pretty well. I saw Sapp make several plays Sunday.I don't know why the hell Sapp hasn't seen more playing time when all he does is get noticed when he's on the field. That is, not noticed like Bartee gets noticed.:cuss::banghead:

penchief
12-21-2004, 11:14 AM
If we are still mathematically alive for the playoffs after this weekend, I guarantee we will lose to SD in the finale.

No, no, no. Marty coaches for SD now. I can see how you would think this if Marty were still our coach.

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for Schottenheimer. Once the Chiefs are officially eliminated I will be hoping that Marty gets to experience the thrill of winning the Super Bowl. IMO, he deserves it. He may not have always done it the best way but he's always proved that his way does equate to winning football. He just hasn't had the bounces go his way at critical points in his career. Unfortunately, he and his coaching philosophy will probably not receive its proper due until he wins it all.

Having said that, please notice that there is a new energy on this team. There is a buzz occurring that even Vermeil cannot claim credit for. We have three wins in a row and we are starting to look like a defensive team that can come up with a critical stop when it's needed. That is a very good first step toward defensive improvement.

But more importantly, since Priest has been injured LJ's presence has created new opportunities for this offense. The threat of LJ taking it to the endzone anytime he touches the ball has put defenses on their heels and allowed our offense to open it up. All of a sudden, wide receivers are streaking down the field wide open. All of a sudden we are moving the chains with ease. All of sudden we are lighting up the scoreboard again. Four of our six highest scoring games have come in the last four weeks. In fact, we only scored over thirty points three times in the first 10 games, yet we have scored 30+ four weeks in a row.

Anybody got any alternative theories as to why this might be?

InChiefsHell
12-21-2004, 11:15 AM
It's funny, when the Chiefs went to 3-8, a lot of people wanted the Chiefs to play their young players and lose for a better draft pick. Instead, they are playing a lot of their young players and winning. :hmmm:

I know, the irony of it all. I for one hope Kris Wilson was not a fluke in pre-season, cuz he will be a force next year. SPecially if Bo comes back.

Personally, I think we can beat SD. They only got us by 3 points last time, and we really killed ourselves in that game...like much of the rest of the season.

Oh well. As long as we beat the snot out of the Raiders at home for Christmas, my season is about as happy as I could hope for, given our dismal start...

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 11:20 AM
It's funny, when the Chiefs went to 3-8, a lot of people wanted the Chiefs to play their young players and lose for a better draft pick. Instead, they are playing a lot of their young players and winning. :hmmm:

Yep.

I stated in a thread, when we were 3-8, that the only way that I'd be ok with losing, is if we were playing our younger guys and trying to see who we wated for the next season. That said, we've done exactly what you stated, and I couldn't be happier.

penchief
12-21-2004, 11:23 AM
Regardless of how this all turns out, there is going to be one major plus. Our younger guys have been getting a lot of PT. I've seen a lot of Jordan Black, Benny Sapp, Kawicka Mitchell, Larry Johnson, etc. I'm starting to get to see more of Samie Parker, Harts, Pile and hopefully Fox. This is all a very good thing. We need to find out who we have that's worth keeping for 2005-06, mainly on the Defense, but also with our OL reserves.

Win or lose, playoffs or not, there are some auditions going on right now. Pretty fun to watch, IMO......

I agree wholeheartedly. We also need to start looking at our defensive players in a way that takes into account production instead of potential. I really believe that, for some unexplained reason, we continue to be enamoured by physical potential (Bartee, Warfield, Mitchell, Siavii, Battle, etc.) as opposed to paying more attention to production. Defense is about heart, IMO. You have to be tough, aggressive, relentless, and oblivious to pain. You have to have attitude.

If we evaluate our younger players based on production, we will improve our defense leaps and bounds next year. Because, IMO, defensive players don't produce on a consistent basis unless they have the heart it takes to play defense.

On the other hand, the key to offense is just letting LJ rush for his 2000 yards every season.

ROYC75
12-21-2004, 11:31 AM
If we win out we will win 5 in a row. Thats impressive.

I think its the best thing that could happen to this team.

Carl and DV are not stupid enough not to make changes on Defense two years in a row.

On the DV show last night, DV claimed the D didn't come along to Guns scheme as fast as they would have liked. They changed it to meet the personal they have. Some areas would be addressed in the off season, most of it within the scheme because of salaries and cap issues.

Expects Barber and Maz to be back to help the D come along quicker.

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 11:33 AM
Expects Barber and Maz to be back to help the D come along quicker.


:deevee: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

penchief
12-21-2004, 11:35 AM
I agree wholeheartedly. We also need to start looking at our defensive players in a way that takes into account production instead of potential. I really believe that, for some unexplained reason, we continue to be enamoured by physical potential (Bartee, Warfield, Mitchell, Siavii, Battle, etc.) as opposed to paying more attention to production. Defense is about heart, IMO. You have to be tough, aggressive, relentless, and oblivious to pain. You have to have attitude.

If we evaluate our younger players based on production, we will improve our defense leaps and bounds next year. Because, IMO, defensive players don't produce on a consistent basis unless they have the heart it takes to play defense.

On the other hand, the key to offense is just letting LJ rush for his 2000 yards every season.

This is not to say that I don't believe any of those players I mentioned wont end up being a good player, or even a great player. I have great hope for Siavii and even Mitchell, still. Warfield has already proven himself to me.

But my point is that when you take a flyer on a guy that you could have had much later in the draft, you really hurt yourself when he doesn't develop into what you "hope" he will. What you have is a good athelete that can't play football. If you do this enough times, you have a defense that may be the worst in the league or in franchise history. Meanwhile, your rivals draft a linebacker who produced in college but somehow fell to the second round and he turns out to be first round talent. And we are stuck trying to convert Bartee and Battle from safeties into cornerbacks.

I will always agree with those who call for the drafting of four year defensive starters in college with a proven record of being there when the play ends (ala, Speilman, etc.) more than I would those who want to draft a guy like Bartee because of his measurables?

TheNextStep
12-21-2004, 11:37 AM
How can you possibly entertain thoughts of winning out when the Raiders are going to spank dat ass on Christmas day?

Hoover
12-21-2004, 11:38 AM
On the DV show last night, DV claimed the D didn't come along to Guns scheme as fast as they would have liked. They changed it to meet the personal they have. Some areas would be addressed in the off season, most of it within the scheme because of salaries and cap issues.

Expects Barber and Maz to be back to help the D come along quicker.
You are on drugs.

There is no way on earth that Maz comes back and is a starter. I can see Barber maybe because of his contract.

Major changes on this defense would be 3 new starterd, and DE. LB, and CB

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 11:39 AM
How can you possibly entertain thoughts of winning out when the Raiders are going to spank dat ass on Christmas day?

Shut the fu

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 11:39 AM
How can you possibly entertain thoughts of winning out when the Raiders are going to spank dat ass on Christmas day?

ck up!


:)

Hoover
12-21-2004, 11:39 AM
This is not to say that I don't believe any of those players I mentioned wont end up being a good player, or even a great player. I have great hope for Siavii and even Mitchell, still. Warfield has already proven himself to me.

But my point is that when you take a flyer on a guy that you could have had much later in the draft, you really hurt yourself when he doesn't develop into what you "hope" he will. What you have is a good athelete that can't play football. If you do this enough times, you have a defense that may be the worst in the league or in franchise history. Meanwhile, your rivals draft a linebacker who produced in college but somehow fell to the second round and he turns out to be first round talent. And we are stuck trying to convert Bartee and Battle from safeties into cornerbacks.

I will always agree with those who call for the drafting of four year defensive starters in college with a proven record of being there when the play ends (ala, Speilman, etc.) more than I would those who want to draft a guy like Bartee because of his measurables?
The draft will always be a crap shoot

TheNextStep
12-21-2004, 11:40 AM
Shut the fu
Man, if you're this cranky before the ass whoopin' commences, I hate to think of what you're going to be like after it happens. I hope nobody gets you a puppy for Christmas... poor little thing...

ChiTown
12-21-2004, 11:43 AM
Man, if you're this cranky before the ass whoopin' commences, I hate to think of what you're going to be like after it happens. I hope nobody gets you a puppy for Christmas... poor little thing...

Cranky? Who the f are you calling cranky? And I love puppies, gdamnit! :cuss:

Skip Towne
12-21-2004, 11:48 AM
It's funny, when the Chiefs went to 3-8, a lot of people wanted the Chiefs to play their young players and lose for a better draft pick. Instead, they are playing a lot of their young players and winning. :hmmm:
We started winning when LJ started getting regular carries. What does that say about VD?

ROYC75
12-21-2004, 12:05 PM
You are on drugs.

There is no way on earth that Maz comes back and is a starter. I can see Barber maybe because of his contract.

Major changes on this defense would be 3 new starterd, and DE. LB, and CB


I guess my post wasn't explainable to you... These are DV's comments, not mine...He expects Maz and Barber back to help shore up the defense.

And yes I am on drugs, I take 3 prescriptions drugs daily, I have to , but don't blame them because you can't read a DV comment quote .

InChiefsHell
12-21-2004, 12:07 PM
We started winning when LJ started getting regular carries. What does that say about VD?

I don't know...that LJ has VD? I'm not following you...OOOHHH! DV!! Sorry bout that. Carry on... :p

TheNextStep
12-21-2004, 12:10 PM
I guess my post wasn't explainable to you... These are DV's comments, not mine...He expects Maz and Barber back to help shore up the defense.

And yes I am on drugs, I take 3 prescriptions drugs daily, I have to , but don't blame them because you can't read a DV comment quote .
Every day? I thought those Levitra pills were supposed to be good for like 36 hours, Roy?

shaneo69
12-21-2004, 12:11 PM
I guess my post wasn't explainable to you... These are DV's comments, not mine...He expects Maz and Barber back to help shore up the defense.

I think I'm going to shoot myself.

StcChief
12-21-2004, 12:14 PM
Well, I hope that finishing strong puts us in position where a couple of D FA might think KC might be a place worth playing for to get their ring.

Rep.

My thoughts exactly. Play out strong so with 8-8 or 7-9 record ,

We are legit for next year run at SB.

With just a little D help.

LiL stumppy
12-21-2004, 12:23 PM
I think Carl and Dick are right.They said we had talent and I think we were just waiting for it to show.And I think it did yesterday.I think with time and alot of the same players our D won't be so bad.

Hoover
12-21-2004, 12:28 PM
These are DV's comments, not mine...He expects Maz and Barber back to help shore up the defense.

Did he say that he expects Maz and Barber back? Or did he say things that make you think that?

There is a huge difference.

alanm
12-21-2004, 12:29 PM
Rep.

My thoughts exactly. Play out strong so with 8-8 or 7-9 record ,

We are legit for next year run at SB.

With just a little D help.Don't even mention Chiefs and the SB in the same sentence. We're not even on the same planet yet. It's bad mojo.:cuss:

ptlyon
12-21-2004, 12:31 PM
I think Carl and Dick are right.They said we had talent and I think we were just waiting for it to show.And I think it did yesterday.I think with time and alot of the same players our D won't be so bad.

wow -that must have been one helluva drunk

penchief
12-21-2004, 12:42 PM
The draft will always be a crap shoot

I agree. But that is why I also believe that drafting proven players (ala, Will Shields in the 3rd round) does better against the odds than does drafting "pie in the sky" potential (ala Battle and Bartee in the 2nd). Especially on defense, IMO. Especially when the attributes of most successful defensive players are taken into account. I will confess that the pure skill and technique required at cornerback is different, however, tenacity is still a necessary trait for that position, too.

We need to start drafting road-blocking DT's, DE's with a quick first step and a mean streak, tackling machines and rabid dogs at linebacker, pure cornerbacks (ala, Albert Lewis), and sledge-hammers at safety. Those are the stereotypes that seem to end up producing in this league.

Plus, anyone that you draft for defense should already know how to tackle. It does no good to waste your time teaching a scheme when you have players that can't tackle. Plus, if you have to teach tackling you're already behind the curve.

We have a good start on the DE with a quick first step and a mean streak. Overall, I believe that we have a servicable defensive line. But that is about it. I think Pile might end up to be a good player.

ROYC75
12-21-2004, 01:26 PM
Did he say that he expects Maz and Barber back? Or did he say things that make you think that?

There is a huge difference.



He expects Maz and Barber back to help shore up the defense.

The question went from why does the D look good against Denver and where does Maz fit in next year and his recovery ?

Mr. Laz
12-21-2004, 01:59 PM
Carl and DV are not stupid enough not to make changes on Defense two years in a row.

wanna bet?





btw- weren't u one of the people defending their decision NOT to make any changes last offseason?

Calcountry
12-21-2004, 03:02 PM
Plus, if our defense gets a confidence boost from last week and somehow manages to start improving and LJ continues to tear it up, we can beat SD. I think we have already shown that we can compete with them.

However, I don't know how much any AFC team would risk the chance of maybe having to possibly run into an underdog from their own division down the road in the playoffs..... considering how risky that can be. That may be incentive enough for SD to want to keep us out of the playoffs.

Especially when a home-run threat like LJ can be the difference in any game. Double-especially when he is also the type of back that can move the chains when you want to control the clock.

That is the kind of scenario that would probably make Marty a little queezy.
Marty will punt on 4rth and inches on our 36 yard line because a 53 yard FG would be too risky. Don't worry, he WILL fug it up somehow.

This is a team that was 4 and something last year. They are still pinching themselves to know its real.

Hoover
12-21-2004, 03:33 PM
wanna bet?





btw- weren't u one of the people defending their decision NOT to make any changes last offseason?
um no. You just have it in for me.

I never thought signing Hicks and not bringing in and new player on the D was the right move.