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Lzen
12-23-2004, 12:28 PM
Miles breaks mark

Kansas senior Aaron Miles became the Big 12 career assist leader with 9 assists against Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He set the record in the first half, and eventually boosted his career total to 800, four short of the KU record held by Jacque Vaughn.

"It's a good accomplishment," said the 6-1 point guard. "I've got to pay credit to my teammates for making the shots and making me look good. My biggest concern, though, is I had five turnovers."

Although the Big 12 record, which was previously held by Oklahoma State's Doug Gottleib (793), is noteworthy, the conference is only in its ninth year of existence. A more worthy achievement will be to pass Vaughn, who played for the Jayhawks from 1994-97.

"It's a big deal," KU coach Bill Self said of the Big 12 mark, "but breaking Jacque's record will mean more to Aaron. He needs what? Four more to break it? He better get that early in the first half on the first (of January against No. 9 Georgia Tech)."

Link (http://hawkzone.cjonline.com/stories/122304/haw_notes.shtml)

The thing I really like about Miles is that he's more concerned about minimizing turnovers than breaking an assists record. That is the reason why he's got such a great assist to turnover ratio. He's a great leader, too.

Saulbadguy
12-23-2004, 12:31 PM
Congrats Aaron...and here is to Clent Stewart breaking that record 4 years down the road! :)

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 12:34 PM
Miles is a four year starter. We will really miss him next year.

Lzen
12-23-2004, 12:39 PM
Has anyone else noticed that Miles has been playing much tougher on defense this year? Seems to me that he has always been thought of as more of an offensive player in the past. Maybe not a big scorer but, he could get you some points when your team needed it. But he's always been able to distribute the ball and break down defenses with dribble penetration. This year, his defense seems to be improved, IMO. He's getting steals and hounding the opponents PG.


Miles is a four year starter. We will really miss him next year.

Yes, but Russell Robinson is filling in nicely. Albeit he does turn the ball over a little too much. I'm guessing that will improve. But the kid can hound an opponent and gets a lot of steals. I think KU will be in good hands with him at the point.

Saulbadguy
12-23-2004, 01:37 PM
Has anyone else noticed that Miles has been playing much tougher on defense this year?
The entire team is tougher on defense this year, IMO.

HC_Chief
12-23-2004, 01:52 PM
The entire team is tougher on defense this year, IMO.

Yep... Self concentrates more on D than Roy did.

royr17
12-23-2004, 03:35 PM
Yea we play the Kentucky Wildcats in a few weeks and my sisters boyfriend thinks Patrick Sparks is better than Miles and I know Sparks cause my high school team played against him while I was managing and me and him are pretty good friends.

royr17
12-23-2004, 05:14 PM
bumpy bump bump

royr17
12-23-2004, 06:58 PM
See I know Patrick real well in all but he is not as good as Aaron Miles, I mean I love watching him play cause he's one of my friends but I think when him and Miles meet that Miles is gonna shut him down completely.

DJay23
12-23-2004, 07:55 PM
See I know Patrick real well in all but he is not as good as Aaron Miles, I mean I love watching him play cause he's one of my friends but I think when him and Miles meet that Miles is gonna shut him down completely.
Woops, I think you dropped something.

DJay23
12-23-2004, 08:01 PM
Yes, but Russell Robinson is filling in nicely. Albeit he does turn the ball over a little too much. I'm guessing that will improve. But the kid can hound an opponent and gets a lot of steals. I think KU will be in good hands with him at the point.
Robinson won't start at Point next year unless the #1 high school point guard goes pro (at least last I checked Chalmers was rated #1).

Mario Chalmers is supposed to be the next great KU point guard.

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 08:12 PM
Robinson won't start at Point next year unless the #1 high school point guard goes pro (at least last I checked Chalmers was rated #1).

Mario Chalmers is supposed to be the next great KU point guard.
Freshman point guards make me nervous. It turned out OK with Miles though so I'm sure it will work out. Chalmers is still heading our way the last I heard. I hope the guy can shoot 3's. We haven't had one that could since before Vaughn.

royr17
12-23-2004, 08:42 PM
From what i've seen of Miles he is a better leader than Sparks, assists, defense, other teammates before him, better free throw shooter, and can take it to the hoop and be successful at it.

Sparks can gets assist, good at 3's, lousy on defense, put himself alot before his other players, and is not as good a free throw shooter and slower than Miles.

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 08:49 PM
From what i've seen of Miles he is a better leader than Sparks, assists, defense, other teammates before him, better free throw shooter, and can take it to the hoop and be successful at it.

Sparks can gets assist, good at 3's, lousy on defense, put himself alot before his other players, and is not as good a free throw shooter and slower than Miles.
Miles' shooting is nothing to write home about. Free throws or otherwise. Simien is the best free thrower on the team at 88%.

DJay23
12-23-2004, 09:01 PM
Freshman point guards make me nervous. It turned out OK with Miles though so I'm sure it will work out. Chalmers is still heading our way the last I heard. I hope the guy can shoot 3's. We haven't had one that could since before Vaughn.
From what I've read Chalmers is a point guard in more of the Allen Iverson mold. He's been head and shoulders above his recruiting class in terms of scoring at all of the various all star games he's attended.

OldTownChief
12-23-2004, 09:03 PM
What's the word on Simien? Will he be back in time for Kentucky?

4th and Long
12-23-2004, 09:08 PM
Out 4-6 weeks.

OldTownChief
12-23-2004, 09:13 PM
Out 4-6 weeks.

Thanks 4th. That's what I was thinking. That's one hell of a sprain.

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 09:18 PM
Thanks 4th. That's what I was thinking. That's one hell of a sprain.
It wasn't a sprain. It was ligament torn away from the bone. They did surgery yesterday so 4-6 weeks from yesterday.

4th and Long
12-23-2004, 09:19 PM
Thanks 4th. That's what I was thinking. That's one hell of a sprain.
You're welcome. Here's the article from The Star, if you like long reads.


Posted on Tue, Dec. 21, 2004
KU's Simien out four to six weeks
Thumb surgery benches forward
By JASON KING
The Kansas City Star

LAWRENCE — Successful as he's been on the court, there's one thing forward Wayne Simien hasn't been able to do during his illustrious career at Kansas: Stay healthy.

Jayhawks coach Bill Self announced Monday that Simien would miss the next four to six weeks of action because of an injury to his left thumb. Simien, who leads KU in both scoring and rebounding, underwent surgery Monday evening to repair a ligament that Self said had “ripped away from the bone.”

“He could've played in a splint or small cast,” Self said. “But Wayne at 75 percent is not where we want Wayne to be, and it's not where he wants to be. The kid has played with so many nagging things, he deserves to finish his senior year healthy.”

For Simien, a Leavenworth native, the setback is yet another in a career that's been littered with injuries.

He missed the first five games of his freshman season after undergoing minor knee surgery. Shoulder problems kept him from participating in KU's run toward the 2003 national title game. Simien wasn't at full strength as a junior because of a groin pull that bothered him throughout league play.

“This is without question the most minor of his injuries,” Self said. “But it also may be the most frustrating. You can't play without your shoulder and you can't play without your legs. But you can play with a bad thumb — if only you didn't tear the ligaments.”

Simien's injury occurred when he was hacked in the act of shooting in the second half of KU's 64-60 victory Saturday against South Carolina at Allen Fieldhouse. His left hand heavily taped, Simien returned to the game and scored two key baskets for KU down the stretch. But the pain became virtually unbearable after the game, Self said.

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Wayne Simien winced in pain after injuring his left thumb Saturday.

An MRI performed late Saturday night revealed that Simien's thumb was strained, not broken. But it was clear he'd suffered ligament damage.

Self said Simien talked with an NBA doctor and a Kansas City hand specialist Monday. Simien also received consultation from the Columbia physician who treated former Missouri star Kareem Rush, who suffered a similar injury three years ago.

At about 3:30 Monday afternoon, Simien decided to proceed with surgery, which occurred shortly after 5 in Lawrence.

“We had the surgeon on call, because if the decision was made to have it done, we didn't want to prolong it,” Self said. “We want to get him back as quickly as possible. It's a decision Wayne had to come to peace about, and I'm sure he prayed about it with his family. We all thought it was in the best interest for Wayne.”

Self said he didn't expect the injury to affect Simien's status in next summer's NBA draft. Analysts are projecting Simien, a national player-of-the-year candidate, as a mid- to late-first-round pick. “It's a minor deal by their standards,” Self said.

Simien's injury is a major blow to a KU team with legitimate hopes of a national title. When starting forward David Padgett transferred to Louisville during the summer, Simien became the team's only frontcourt player with significant experience.

Although he's performed admirably starting alongside Simien in the paint, walk-on Christian Moody is hardly capable of making up for Simien's 17.4 points and 12 rebounds per game.

Freshmen Darnell Jackson, C.J. Giles and Sasha Kaun all arrived at KU with gaudy reputations, but they've yet to perform well enough to demand major minutes. Through seven games Giles, Jackson and Kaun are averaging a collective 9.9 points and 10.1 rebounds.

“All the big guys will have to step up,” Giles said. “I've felt real good lately, and I feel a lot better now. For me it will be kind of scary at first, but I know I can go out and do it.”

Self said Jackson, the best rebounder of the bunch, probably would start in Simien's place Wednesday when KU takes on Wisconsin-Milwaukee at Kemper Arena.

There's also a chance the Jayhawks could play with a smaller lineup, with 6-foot-7 freshman Alex Galindo moving from the wing to the small-forward position. Along with being a strong outside shooter, Galindo is an above-average ball handler and an aggressive rebounder.

“It is amazing to me how, when opportunity knocks, someone will make the most of that opportunity and step up,” Self said. “Our depth situation just got better because we'll force guys to play now. Our depth will get better, and we'll get Dub back 100 percent.

“This is going to be a big bonus for us. In the end you can only look at it that way, because if it's a pity party, no one gets better.”

Self said he couldn't envision a scenario where Simien would miss less than four to six weeks of action, meaning he'd be out six to 10 games. During that stretch, the KU will have have showdowns against top-25 teams Georgia Tech, Kentucky and Texas and tough road games at Iowa State and Villanova.

Self said leadership from veterans such as seniors Aaron Miles, Keith Langford and Michael Lee would be imperative during that stretch.

“Wayne is a 20 and 10 guy,” Miles said. “That has to be replaced somehow — and it's not necessarily the points and rebounds. Wayne is an optimistic cat, a guy who sees the glass half full all of the time. Whatever he has to go through, he'll do it and come back strong.”

A history of injuries

In each of his four seasons at KU, Wayne Simien has missed time because of an injury.


Month Injury Time missed
*March 2000 Strained knee ligament one game
*Feb. 2001 Separated right shoulder six games
Nov. 2001 Hyperextended left knee five games
Jan. 2003 Dislocated right shoulder 22 games
Nov. 2003 Strained groin one game
Dec. 2004 Left-thumb surgery Six to 10 games

* while at Leavenworth High School

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 09:23 PM
From what I've read Chalmers is a point guard in more of the Allen Iverson mold. He's been head and shoulders above his recruiting class in terms of scoring at all of the various all star games he's attended.
You don't say if he can shoot 3's. A PG that can will prevent the defense from collapsing into a zone. We haven't had that in awhile.

royr17
12-23-2004, 09:48 PM
Well Skip Im not bragging on Miles shooting but anything he has the ball and has to take up he's been successful doing it.

The guys is just a better player than Patrick Sparks IMHO.

Skip Towne
12-23-2004, 09:59 PM
Well Skip Im not bragging on Miles shooting but anything he has the ball and has to take up he's been successful doing it.

The guys is just a better player than Patrick Sparks IMHO.
Huh? That makes no sense.

royr17
12-23-2004, 10:16 PM
Huh? That makes no sense.

I mean all in all what i know about Aaron Miles is better than Patrick Sparks, he's a more complete player than Patrick is, in high school Patrick was known deeply for is 3-Point ability but thats all he is known for, Miles is known as a leader, defense, ball handling skills, assist, other players come before him, he's a better free throw shooter than Patrick, and when he does take it to the rack he can be successful, all in all the best thing about Aaron this year is that his 3-Point shooting has improved dramatically.

DJay23
12-23-2004, 10:20 PM
You don't say if he can shoot 3's. A PG that can will prevent the defense from collapsing into a zone. We haven't had that in awhile.
Chalmers, who averaged 23.2 points and 6.0 assists a game last year for Bartlett High, is "an explosive athlete, a guy you can throw lobs to, a guy who can play with the ball in his hands," Self said. "He has a scorer's mentality and a good feel for the game."

I'm very excited about Downs:

Downs, who averaged 19.7 points a game last year at Bothell High, is electrifying, Self said.

"He is one of the most skilled guys in his class," Self said of the sharpshooter who verbally committed to KU over Duke and Gonzaga on May. 17. "He can shoot with range, put the ball down and is an excellent passer. He's probably about as fun to watch as any player out there because he knows how to play."

Julian Wright is the best player of the bunch:

"Of course Julian is probably the best all around guy that we've signed," Self said. "He can really handle the ball, but what he does best is make others better by passing. The game is slow motion to him much like it was to Danny (Manning) when he played. He's not the inside scorer like Danny. He's kind of a poor man's Magic (Johnson) type player. He handles it, passes it and is good in transition."

and Stewart, the transfer from USC has question marks (academic and performance) but glowing words from his high school coach (of course):

"The kid is so talented. He has a 40-inch vertical. He's ultra-quick. He finds a way to score. He falls in the category of a freak of nature," Bethea said. "He shot 50 percent from the three-point line his senior year. He had his confidence broken at USC."

Throw in Galindo, who can light it up from deep, and Case who can do the same and will be a red shirt sophomore next year, with Downs and possibly Stewart, and maybe Giddens if he doesn't go League. A lot of 3 point options. Seems like Chalmers is adept at distribution and scoring so, I don't know that having a PG with a 3 point shot is a great necessity.

Next year will be a rebuilding year for sure. We'll get really young. The only seniors I can think of for next year are Moody, Niang, Vinson, and maybe Hawkins. Not a lot of "senior leadership."