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Ari Chi3fs
12-26-2004, 12:01 PM
Over 8000 dead, with many many thousands more missing.

8.9 earthquake. Unreal.

Bwana
12-26-2004, 12:08 PM
Ouch!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142566,00.html

Ari Chi3fs
12-26-2004, 12:18 PM
over 9000 confirmed dead, with the Worlds largest earthquake in over 40 years.

Deberg_1990
12-26-2004, 02:22 PM
Wow, im at a loss for words....10,000 people??? wow...

LiL stumppy
12-26-2004, 02:23 PM
Wow thats crazy

Valiant
12-26-2004, 02:48 PM
****ing bush....

The Pedestrian
12-26-2004, 02:51 PM
DAMNIT CARL!!!! :cuss:

VonneMarie
12-26-2004, 02:51 PM
Wow. Holy mess wow.

Rain Man
12-26-2004, 03:20 PM
Wow. Apparently the tidal wave was so large that it even killed some people in Somalia. It's killed people in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Somalia. That's amazing.

It also apparently took out a lot of tourists at Phuket in Thailand, which is one of the top tourist spots. That gives me pause, because I've been wanting to go to Phuket. I can't imagine just minding your business on the shore and then getting taken out by a tidal wave.

BigOlChiefsfan
12-26-2004, 03:21 PM
Such a loss.

I can remember the Tsunami that hit Alaska back in the 60's, not nearly as many people up there so the loss of life wasn't awful. Saw a documentary on the one that hit Chile years ago. Scary sombeach.

FWIW, there's an asteroid that's got a 1 in 60 chance of hitting the earth in 2029. Might consider where you'd like to hide from the Tsunami(s) that bad boy could generate if it hits. We might try to schedule an 'away' game at Invesco that week, & have a Planet rendesvous in Denver. I'm just saying.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2004-12-25-meteor-potential-hit_x.htm?csp=34

http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/index.html

KcMizzou
12-26-2004, 03:21 PM
I can't imagine just minding your business on the shore and then getting taken out by a tidal wave. The worst would be watching it roll in, when you know there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Coach
12-26-2004, 03:23 PM
Could this be the beginning of Armageddon?
*shrugs* just had to throw it in there.

BigOlChiefsfan
12-26-2004, 03:26 PM
Not Armageddon. After all, we just BEAT the raiders. That helps keep the cosmos in alignment.

Coach
12-26-2004, 03:28 PM
Not Armageddon. After all, we just BEAT the raiders. That helps keep the cosmos in alignment.

Good point.

chief52
12-26-2004, 03:29 PM
Such a loss.

I can remember the Tsunami that hit Alaska back in the 60's, not nearly as many people up there so the loss of life wasn't awful.

That one, in 1964, also hit the north coast of California. It pretty well wiped out things in Cresent City which is Del Norte County.

Rain Man
12-26-2004, 03:30 PM
Such a loss.

I can remember the Tsunami that hit Alaska back in the 60's, not nearly as many people up there so the loss of life wasn't awful. Saw a documentary on the one that hit Chile years ago. Scary sombeach.

FWIW, there's an asteroid that's got a 1 in 60 chance of hitting the earth in 2029. Might consider where you'd like to hide from the Tsunami(s) that bad boy could generate if it hits. We might try to schedule an 'away' game at Invesco that week, & have a Planet rendesvous in Denver. I'm just saying.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2004-12-25-meteor-potential-hit_x.htm?csp=34

http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/index.html


A couple of you can stay at my place, but I'm not housing all 3,000 members.


An interesting side question: if we do all the calculations and determine that a big honking asteroid was going to hit the earth, and it was headed toward, say, Palestine or Iran, what would we do about it?

Phobia
12-26-2004, 03:32 PM
It also apparently took out a lot of tourists at Phuket in Thailand, which is one of the top tourist spots. That gives me pause, because I've been wanting to go to Phuket. I can't imagine just minding your business on the shore and then getting taken out by a tidal wave.

Chalk another win for GWB on his War on Tourists.

I wanted to take the more obvious, "Phuket" shot, but I've run that play before and got stuffed at scrimmage.

ROYC75
12-26-2004, 03:32 PM
And to think, sometimes we think we have it bad ? :shake:

Phobia
12-26-2004, 03:33 PM
A couple of you can stay at my place, but I'm not housing all 3,000 members.


An interesting side question: if we do all the calculations and determine that a big honking asteroid was going to hit the earth, and it was headed toward, say, Palestine or Iran, what would we do about it?

Grab a twelver and some Brats.

BigVE
12-26-2004, 03:33 PM
Rain Man...the answer to whether you should go to Thailand or not is...Phuk-it. Sorry, bad joke.

Rain Man
12-26-2004, 03:33 PM
The worst would be watching it roll in, when you know there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

There was a more localized offshore earthquake in New Guinea a few years ago, and some survivors said that they were meandering about on the beach when the ocean withdrew half a mile in a matter of minutes. And then the wave came in.

That'd have to be a pretty sick feeling. I'll bet the adrenaline would kick in a four-minute mile as you ran inland.

Coach
12-26-2004, 03:35 PM
There was a more localized offshore earthquake in New Guinea a few years ago, and some survivors said that they were meandering about on the beach when the ocean withdrew half a mile in a matter of minutes. And then the wave came in.

That'd have to be a pretty sick feeling. I'll bet the adrenaline would kick in a four-minute mile as you ran inland.

Man, if I see an ocean withdrawing at least half a mile, I would be hauling ass.

Valiant
12-26-2004, 03:36 PM
A couple of you can stay at my place, but I'm not housing all 3,000 members.


An interesting side question: if we do all the calculations and determine that a big honking asteroid was going to hit the earth, and it was headed toward, say, Palestine or Iran, what would we do about it?


prolley lob some nukes for good measure...

Ari ümlaüt
12-26-2004, 03:48 PM
Why cöüldnt this thing have nailed Nörth Körea?


btw... the war ön 'töürists' fünny shit, there Klöster.

SNR
12-26-2004, 03:55 PM
I don't understand why some people bother living in these places. It's like building a city right next to an active volcano. It erupts, and you're standing amongst the hot ash going "WTF happened?"

I realize the poverty in Indonesia and how difficult it would be to move, but the same goes for the West Coast of the US. I'm staying clear the f*ck away from that place.

Rain Man
12-26-2004, 04:02 PM
I don't understand why some people bother living in these places. It's like building a city right next to an active volcano. It erupts, and you're standing amongst the hot ash going "WTF happened?"

I realize the poverty in Indonesia and how difficult it would be to move, but the same goes for the West Coast of the US. I'm staying clear the f*ck away from that place.


As if it's not bad enough for those poor third-world earthquake and tidal wave victims, now they've got North Dakotans making fun of their choices about where to live.

Phobia
12-26-2004, 04:04 PM
As if it's not bad enough for those poor third-world earthquake and tidal wave victims, now they've got North Dakotans making fun of their choices about where to live.

Do you know what Bismark means in Mandarin?

SNR
12-26-2004, 04:27 PM
Do you know what Bismark means in Mandarin?No.

BTW... it's Bismarck... like the ship

Rain Man
12-26-2004, 04:35 PM
No.

BTW... it's Bismarck... like the ship


Heckuva ship.

R&GHomer
12-26-2004, 04:54 PM
An interesting side question: if we do all the calculations and determine that a big honking asteroid was going to hit the earth, and it was headed toward, say, Palestine or Iran, what would we do about it?

Rush to space like in Armageddon and attach inertial guidance systems.

We wouldn’t want it to miss; now would we? :thumb:

Phobia
12-26-2004, 05:01 PM
No.

BTW... it's Bismarck... like the ship

How the hell did they get a ship to North Dickota?

BigOlChiefsfan
12-26-2004, 05:27 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Warnings-could-have-saved-thousands-USGS/2004/12/27/1103996461578.html?oneclick=true


Sidebar: I don't know how they got a ship up there into the Dakotas,

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00001ODHV/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/002-5664967-3796809?v=glance

but they named the city and the ship after this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

Rausch
12-26-2004, 05:38 PM
Such a loss.

I can remember the Tsunami that hit Alaska back in the 60's, not nearly as many people up there so the loss of life wasn't awful. Saw a documentary on the one that hit Chile years ago. Scary sombeach.

FWIW, there's an asteroid that's got a 1 in 60 chance of hitting the earth in 2029. Might consider where you'd like to hide from the Tsunami(s) that bad boy could generate if it hits. We might try to schedule an 'away' game at Invesco that week, & have a Planet rendesvous in Denver. I'm just saying.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2004-12-25-meteor-potential-hit_x.htm?csp=34

http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/index.html

Do they have the odds out on it hitting France?...

Phobia
12-26-2004, 05:41 PM
Before I die, I plan to have a photograph of yours truly in a pickelhaube.

BigOlChiefsfan
12-26-2004, 05:47 PM
We should all wear pickelhaube anytime we watch Denver or Oakland lose. Schadenfreude mit pickelhaube.

Rausch
12-26-2004, 05:47 PM
We should all wear pickelhaube anytime we watch Denver or Oakland lose. Schadenfreude mit pickelhaube. ROFL

2bikemike
12-26-2004, 05:49 PM
I wonder if a Tsunami hit San Diego how far inland the damage would be?

memyselfI
12-26-2004, 06:29 PM
I pray for the victims and hope they find comfort soon...

that being said, I wonder what this is going to do to Walmart stock tomorrow???

Having portions of Asia (cheap labor/manufacturing central) wiped out can't be good for them.

2bikemike
12-26-2004, 07:04 PM
Wow I just saw a news clip. Man that was devastating.

WilliamTheIrish
12-26-2004, 07:45 PM
Unbelievable stuff.

11k dead and there appear to be media blackouts in some parts of SE Asia as they try to get a handle on the death count.

Wasn't it about a year ago that Iran had their big quake that killed 40k?

Ari ümlaüt
12-26-2004, 07:49 PM
40k dead Iranians is a damn good start...

badgirl
12-26-2004, 08:12 PM
I saw on the news where people were lined up one after the other dead and their loved ones were there crying, it was such a sad sight, I pray God will give them all strength to make it through this terrible ordeal. :(

Phobia
12-26-2004, 08:14 PM
I saw on the news where people were lined up one after the other dead and their loved ones were there crying, it was such a sad sight, I pray God will give them all strength to make it through this terrible ordeal. :(

Have you been hanging out with tommiekat the entire holiday season?

badgirl
12-26-2004, 08:16 PM
Have you been hanging out with tommiekat the entire holiday season?
No, why would you ask that? :hmmm:

SNR
12-26-2004, 08:39 PM
40k dead Iranians is a damn good start...[Insert random guilt-distributing hypocritical loser's comment about "you're no better off than those terrorists we're fighting"]

MadProphetMargin
12-26-2004, 08:40 PM
If you stapled my feet to a board, I'm pretty sure I could've surfed that tsunami in.

Just saying.

Boardin Bronco
12-26-2004, 11:22 PM
I wonder if a Tsunami hit San Diego how far inland the damage would be?


Tsunamis caused by earthquakes are typically no higher than 50 feet.

However, a tsunami caused by an asteroid can be 1-2 miles high. You might have to drive to Julian to avoid that one.

Boardin Bronco
12-26-2004, 11:23 PM
40k dead Iranians is a damn good start...


The Iranians/Persians are good people.

A majority of the youth there want change over the conservative, radical moolahs. It's not their fault their government sucks.

Rain Man
12-28-2004, 12:02 AM
A local anchorperson here made the comment that "most of the people were killed by tidal waves, not earthquakes. Only about nine people were killed by the earthquake itself."

This earthquake happened in the ocean. I'm very morbidly curious. What could have happened to those nine people?

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 12:13 AM
A local anchorperson here made the comment that "most of the people were killed by tidal waves, not earthquakes. Only about nine people were killed by the earthquake itself."

This earthquake happened in the ocean. I'm very morbidly curious. What could have happened to those nine people?

Scuba diving off the "Great Barrier"??? :hmmm:

:shrug:

WilliamTheIrish
12-28-2004, 11:02 AM
Death toll has risen to over 44k.

Over a million dislplaced from their homes.

MOhillbilly
12-28-2004, 11:17 AM
more air for me.

Rain Man
12-28-2004, 11:28 AM
Interestingly, now they're reporting that some of the deaths in Sri Lanka were caused by people going down to the beach to sightsee due to rumors of larger than average waves.

It's interesting that they didn't have a tsunami warning system, yet the news reached the people anyway, even before the big waves hit. Unfortunately, the word-of-mouth news must've underestimated 'larger than average.'

Herzig
12-28-2004, 11:46 AM
The Iranians/Persians are good people.

A majority of the youth there want change over the conservative, radical moolahs. It's not their fault their government sucks.

I would have to say that our government sucks ass sometimes too. I'm not a big backer of everything they do. Of course, there's not many other places I would want to live either.

MOhillbilly
12-28-2004, 12:03 PM
The Iranians/Persians are good people.

A majority of the youth there want change over the conservative, radical moolahs. It's not their fault their government sucks.


Um....yes it is.

Iowanian
12-28-2004, 12:06 PM
I watched some footage late last night.....Its pretty awe inspiring what Nature can do when taunted. I saw video of people clinging to peer Poles being smashed and drug out to sea, while some others stood on buses that were rolled over floating like a log. rows and rows, piles and piles of bloating, stinking unclaimed/unidentified bodies.........many westerners too. Pretty horrible deal.

Allah must be pissed about something.

stumppy
12-28-2004, 12:11 PM
Allah must be pissed about something.

Prollly doesn't like being hijacked.

Earthling
12-28-2004, 12:27 PM
Amazing..After the typhoid and malaria sets in the death toll will probably be over 50,000...

BTW I think if a large asteroid hit land anywhere on earth it would have the possibility of eliminating most life on the entire planet so it wouldn't matter much just where it hit.

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 01:00 PM
....

Allah must be pissed about something.

Then it's too bad he didn't put the epicenter on the Pakistan-Afghan border, and crank it up to a 9.9 or so. :hmmm:

Jenson71
12-28-2004, 01:04 PM
We're evil...

Scientists in USA saw tsunami coming (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&e=1&u=/usatoday/scientistsinusasawtsunamicoming)

Rain Man
12-28-2004, 03:37 PM
The death toll is now at 52,000, according to MSNBC. Apparently a whole village of 10,000 got wiped out on Sumatra's west coast.

WilliamTheIrish
12-28-2004, 07:47 PM
I heard where the UN relief ambassador (some fugghead from Norway) said the US relief contribution of 15 million was 'stingy.'

During the flood of 1993, can you guess how much foreign aid was given to the US by the EU countries?

unlurking
12-28-2004, 07:56 PM
I heard where the UN relief ambassador (some fugghead from Norway) said the US relief contribution of 15 million was 'stingy.'

During the flood of 1993, can you guess how much foreign aid was given to the US by the EU countries?
Do they have any oil to trade for?

;)

BIG_DADDY
12-28-2004, 07:58 PM
I heard where the UN relief ambassador (some fugghead from Norway) said the US relief contribution of 15 million was 'stingy.'

During the flood of 1993, can you guess how much foreign aid was given to the US by the EU countries?

One more good reason for getting rid of the UN. Rarely does anyone ever help us no matter what.

Rain Man
12-28-2004, 08:36 PM
The death toll now stands at 63,000, according to MSNBC.

Amnorix
12-28-2004, 09:32 PM
Unpleasant video. Note, although the video itself is safe for work, the website is NSFW.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/tsunami.html

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 09:42 PM
I heard where the UN relief ambassador (some fugghead from Norway) said the US relief contribution of 15 million was 'stingy.'

During the flood of 1993, can you guess how much foreign aid was given to the US by the EU countries?

Last I saw those fuggin french bastages only coughed up about 3/4 of a mil.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-28-2004, 10:44 PM
The UN is full of scum. I wish they were vacationing in Phuket Island. Well, maybe not all, but a few.

CosmicPal
12-28-2004, 10:56 PM
I heard where the UN relief ambassador (some fugghead from Norway) said the US relief contribution of 15 million was 'stingy.'

During the flood of 1993, can you guess how much foreign aid was given to the US by the EU countries?

We are more than doubling that now. Powell indicated today we are adding another 20 mil to the disaster relief fund. I've already donated some money to CARE- did so yesterday. Also petitioned our company to donate fresh water- although I don't think we are...that's too bad.

Coltsinsider
12-28-2004, 10:59 PM
Proof that God hates Muslims!

KIDDING!

Ari Chi3fs
12-28-2004, 11:01 PM
Proof that God hates Muslims!

KIDDING!


God also hates Colts fans... you will find that out in the playoffs.

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 11:01 PM
We are more than doubling that now. Powell indicated today we are adding another 20 mil to the disaster relief fund. I've already donated some money to CARE- did so yesterday. Also petitioned our company to donate fresh water- although I don't think we are...that's too bad.

Not only that but we are providing a lot of other aid. I think there are a couple of ships on the way. We will be putting some troops on the ground as well.

Miles
12-28-2004, 11:14 PM
Wonder how long it will be till a Tsunami movie comes out?

Ari Chi3fs
12-28-2004, 11:18 PM
wasnt that part of Day after Tomorrow?

beavis
12-28-2004, 11:36 PM
wasnt that part of Day after Tomorrow?
Yeah. We're all going to be frozen solid tomorrow.

Seriously though, this is awful. I wonder where this ranks among natural disasters as far as death toll. I can't remember anything off hand having that kind of number.

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 11:38 PM
Yeah. We're all going to be frozen solid tomorrow.

Seriously though, this is awful. I wonder where this ranks among natural disasters as far as death toll. I can't remember anything off hand having that kind of number.

I believe this is the worse one.

RedNeckRaider
12-28-2004, 11:45 PM
I believe this is the worse one.It is really spooky! check out this link there is a animated map

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

stevieray
12-28-2004, 11:51 PM
The show Survivor seems petty now.

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 11:52 PM
It is really spooky! check out this link there is a animated map

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Wow I have not seen that one. Thanks for the link.

Pants
12-28-2004, 11:53 PM
I believe this is the worse one.

I believe there were some larger earthquakes causing the number of casualties to go up into the 6 digit figures (>100,000). But this is the worst one as far as area affected goes.

CosmicPal
12-29-2004, 12:12 AM
I read an article today that said one of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit models was in the tsunami. She's still looking for her boyfriend who was washed out to sea. Her name was Petra or something...can't recall, but the article stated she was on the cover a couple of years ago.

I've read a lot of articles, and it's all heartbreaking. But, damn man- they all sound like a Stephen King novel or something..."...when I came to, my ear was ripped off." "...floating carcasses were everywhere..." "...I saw a a naked body draped over a tree as though it was crucified..."

I couldn't believe some of the descriptions and adjectives these writers were using to detail the destruction.

Rausch
12-29-2004, 12:22 AM
I believe there were some larger earthquakes causing the number of casualties to go up into the 6 digit figures (>100,000). But this is the worst one as far as area affected goes.

It even hit Somalia. Those poor bastards just can't catch a break... :shake:

David.
12-29-2004, 12:29 AM
this sucks. This could get to 100,000 deaths after the diseases kick in. ****ing sad....

2bikemike
12-29-2004, 12:33 AM
I read an article today that said one of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit models was in the tsunami. She's still looking for her boyfriend who was washed out to sea. Her name was Petra or something...can't recall, but the article stated she was on the cover a couple of years ago.

I've read a lot of articles, and it's all heartbreaking. But, damn man- they all sound like a Stephen King novel or something..."...when I came to, my ear was ripped off." "...floating carcasses were everywhere..." "...I saw a a naked body draped over a tree as though it was crucified..."

I couldn't believe some of the descriptions and adjectives these writers were using to detail the destruction.

Petra Nemcova, 25, was on a beach in Phuket when the wave hit, but managed to grab hold of a tree.

She clung to it for EIGHT HOURS despite shattering her hip, breaking other bones and damaging internal organs.

But there was no news of her boyfriend Simon Atlee, a London-based photographer who was inside their holiday bungalow. Simon, 31, was engulfed by the wave and swept away.

David.
12-29-2004, 12:37 AM
well....she is certainly lucky to be alive.


plus she's super hawt.

2bikemike
12-29-2004, 12:39 AM
well....she is certainly lucky to be alive.


plus she's super hawt.


Yes she is! Lucky and Really hot.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 01:09 AM
Holy cow Amnorix, that was some scary footage...

2bikemike
12-29-2004, 01:18 AM
Holy cow Amnorix, that was some scary footage...

They showed that same footage on our local news a few minutes ago. They stated that only the man of the couple that was swept away at the beginning was found the woman has not been found. I am assuming they meant the man survived. They also made it sound like the person shooting the video found the man.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 01:23 AM
From a scientific point of view...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1418302,00.html

How earthquake jolted the planet


THE earthquake responsible for the Asian tsunami was so powerful that it changed the local geography, shifting islands and the mainland of Sumatra by as much as 120ft, American seismologists said yesterday.
The energy released by the quake was so huge that it may even have caused the Earth to wobble on its axis. Geophysicists are calling it a megathrust, the term used for the most powerful of changes in the Earth’s surface. Pressure built up over nearly two centuries was released in a single snap.
“That earthquake has changed the map,” Ken Hudnut, of the US Geological Survey (USGS), said. “Based on seismic modelling, some of the smaller islands off the southwest coast of Sumatra may have moved to the southwest by about 20 metres. That is a lot of slip.”

The northwestern tip of Sumatra may also have shifted to the southwest by about 36 metres (120ft), he said.

In addition, the energy released as the two sides of the undersea fault slipped against each other probably made the Earth wobble on its axis. “We can detect very slight motions of the Earth and I would expect that the Earth wobbled when the earthquake occurred due to the massive amount of energy exerted and the sudden shift in mass,” he said.

The energy released was prodigious. Normally, seismologists reckon that an earthquake of magnitude 8 releases energy equivalent to six million tons of TNT. For every step up in the magnitude scale, the energy released is increased by a factor of 32, so a magnitude 9 quake such as Sunday’s would be equivalent to more than 190 million tons of TNT.

The tectonic plates that carry the Earth’s continents around move at about 6cm a year, roughly as fast as fingernails grow. Although the region around Indonesia is highly active, there had been no big earthquakes along this section for more than a century. There had been huge quakes in 1797 and 1833, but little since.

That explains why so much pressure had built up, to be released so quickly early on Sunday morning. Kerry Sieh, of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), an expert in the area, said: “Sunday was one of the biggest earthquakes in the region in the past 200 years.”

Geophysicists are not yet sure just how far the land moved. Stuart Sipkin, of the USGS National Earthquake Information Centre in Golden, Colorado, believes that it is more likely that the islands off Sumatra had risen higher out of the sea, rather than moving laterally. “In this case the Indian plate dived below the Burma plate causing uplift, so most of the motion to the islands would have been vertical, not horizontal,” he said.

Extensive damage and flooding was preventing investigators from reaching the scene. When they do, global positioning systems will be used to detect exactly how much movement has taken place, and where.

Beneath the ocean the edges of the plates might have shifted vertically by as much as 18.3m relative to each other. But even that kind of displacement would lift or lower the Sumatran coast by only a few feet or less, the experts said, and sea levels would not change dramatically.

“Basically, the run-up of high tide will be just a little further up or further back,” Paul Earle, a USGS geophysicist, said.

Inland, ground levels in northern Sumatra might have changed noticeably in places, Dr Sieh said. “As the block of land on top of the subduction zone lurches out west towards the Indian Ocean, you expect that area behind it to sink,” he said. “The western coast of Sumatra has probably sunk by a metre or two.” Banda Aceh, the regional capital, may now be below sea level.

Television pictures had shown people in the capital walking around in knee-deep water after the tsunami had receded, indicating that the land was lower than before.

As for causing the Earth to wobble, most seismologists agree that this is likely but it has yet to be tested. “It causes the planet to wobble a little bit, but it is not going to turn Earth upside down,” Dr Sieh said.

The seismologist Hiroo Kanamori, of Caltech, said that the quake would probably have affected the Earth’s rotation and the regular wobble of its axis. “The question is how much and can it be detected,” he told the Los Angeles Times.

The tsunami generated by the earthquake was so huge that some of its energy spilt into the Pacific. At Manzanillo, Mexico, waves rose more than 8ft and fluctuations were reported in New Zealand and Chile.

After the initial quake there were several aftershocks, some as substantial as magnitude 7.3. Seismologists do not now expect further major earthquakes, at least not in the immediate vicinity. The pressure has been released, and will now start to build up again for fresh quakes decades or centuries from now.

2bikemike
12-29-2004, 01:34 AM
Hey William thanks for sharing that.

Here is something from our local paper.

Region's sea-floor contours would sap wave of its strength
By Bruce Lieberman,
Scott LaFee
and David Hasemyer
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
December 28, 2004

San Diego County cannot be struck by the type of massive earthquake that shook South Asia on Sunday, and the region's sea-floor ridges, canyons and islands would rob an incoming tsunami of its destructive power, geologists said.

While temblors are part of life in Southern California, tsunamis are not. Only eight tsunamis have reached San Diego County beaches since 1950. None of them carried waves higher than 5 feet by the time they washed onto local beaches.

In contrast, tsunami waves triggered by Sunday's quake reportedly reached as high as 30 feet. They killed tens of thousands of people in 10 countries – from Indonesia to India to Somalia.

They also fanned out across the Pacific Ocean, but caused sea levels off San Diego to rise only 8 inches, according to the West Coast and Alaska Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer, Alaska.

"What we saw over the weekend was a giant earthquake – a really, really big earthquake," said Jean-Bernard Minster, a geophysicist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla.

"(California) faults are a lot less likely to generate a tsunami."

Tsunamis are created by a particular kind of earthquake common off Japan and South Asia. They are generated when one side of a fault fracturing the ocean floor shifts violently beneath the other, which displaces huge amounts of water.

Sunday's 9.0-magnitude quake occurred in the Sumatran subduction zone, where the Australian-Indian crustal plate dives beneath the larger Eurasian plate to the north.

California earthquakes are created by a different type of ground motion, in which the two sides of a fault slide laterally against each other. Called strike-slip faults, they generally do not create tsunamis.

Also, the state's geology is not capable of triggering an earthquake of the size seen off the island of Sumatra. That temblor was 40 times more powerful than the 1906 San Francisco quake, scientists said.

However, Southern California quakes can spark undersea landslides, which in turn can create tsunamis. These waves would pale in comparison to those seen in South Asia last weekend, scientists said.

No subduction zones are known to exist near Southern California, so most tsunamis originate far away – from Alaska, Japan or Chile, for example.

A tsunami triggered by a distant earthquake invariably loses some of its power as it runs into intervening land masses, such as the Philippines or Hawaii.

Off Southern California, a series of canyons and ridges – some of which give rise to the Channel Islands and San Nicolas, Santa Catalina, San Clemente and Coronado islands – present more obstacles. The alternating deep and shallow terrain saps much of the tsunami's remaining strength.

"What those make is a fantastic set of natural barriers that will absorb most of the energy" of a tsunami, said Patrick Abbott, a geologist with San Diego State University.

Yet the same geology that protects Southern California can create other dangers.

An earthquake or sea floor landslide that occurs directly offshore can generate small-scale tsunamis that slosh back and forth – from the sides of nearby undersea ridges to the coastline and back again. These tsunamis, like waves in a bathtub, could damage the coastline repeatedly, Minster said.

There is evidence that this phenomenon, called seiches, occurred in the distant past off Long Beach, he said.

Despite the scant odds of a tsunami crashing onto local beaches, San Diego County officials have studied its potential destruction.

A tsunami that floods the coastline a half mile inland could imperil nearly 40,000 people in 10 coastal cities and cause $7.6 billion in damage, according to an assessment prepared for the county in March.

A more likely scenario is what happened to San Diego nearly 41 years ago.

On March 27, 1964, a magnitude-9.2 earthquake struck Prince William Sound in Alaska, triggering a tsunami that swept across the Pacific Ocean.

Most of the 106 people who died in Alaska were killed by the tsunami's waves – including one that reached 220 feet in Shoup Bay, according to the tsunami warning center in Alaska.

Farther south, tsunami waves killed four children camping on an Oregon beach. And in Crescent City, on the northern California coast, a tsunami wave 14 feet high killed 12 people and caused more than $2 billion in damage.

In San Francisco, 10,000 people lined the beaches to see the tsunami. But by the time it reached the city, the tsunami measured only about 3½ feet high.

Here, a 2-foot wave lapped into San Diego Bay, knocking boats against piers but causing no damage or injuries. In La Jolla, the tsunami wave was just under a foot.

tommykat
12-29-2004, 01:38 AM
Probably already stated........but I understood that NY felt the after affects of it today/yesterday.

Jenson71
12-29-2004, 01:47 AM
Richard Attenborough (actor/director) has a missing daughter and a confirmed dead granddaughter now...

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 01:48 AM
Here's a weblog with video from several different places along the shores where the tsunami hit.

The one that hit Patong Beach, Thialand is surreal.

http://jlgolson.blogspot.com/2004/12/tsunami-video.html

go bowe
12-29-2004, 02:07 AM
thanks for the videos, wti...

absolutely astounding...

the numbers of dead are just staggering...

and more to come...

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 02:14 AM
Here's two satellite photos of the coastline of Kalutara, Sri Lanka. Before and after...* scratch that.. this is at at impact of the water..

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 02:19 AM
thanks for the videos, wti...

absolutely astounding...

the numbers of dead are just staggering...

and more to come...


INcredible numbers. There are some UN estimates that it'll climb over 100k.

2bikemike
12-29-2004, 02:23 AM
INcredible numbers. There are some UN estimates that it'll climb over 100k.

Is that before or after disease sets in?

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 02:30 AM
Is that before or after disease sets in?

Probably after, Mike.

the dead bodies themselves pose little risk. But drinking water is now contaminated. Dysentery is going to be an epidemic. Normally it wouldn't be, since it's fairly treatable. But with so many people affected, and medical resources scarce, it's going to be a battle against time to treat them.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2004, 02:34 AM
Oh, and it's nice to know that in the event of a quake, San Diego is still safe from tsunami's.

You have all the luck... fun, sun, beach babes...

Luckily it's going to be 66 degrees here tomorrow. Going to try to get 36 in.

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 10:18 AM
http://jlgolson.blogspot.com/2004/12/tsunami-video.html

It doesn't look that bad by these videos. Obviously, it was devastating because there are 100,000 people dead. But, it looks like the people on the beach were laughing and having fun. They didn't realize how dangerous it was until after it was too late and they were being dragged out to sea. In some cases, it looks like you should be able to run away from it. It's a very decieving and confusing situation. The people on the rooftops didn't realize the danger either. They seem to laughing too. Very odd. These videos aren't what I thought they'd be. :hmmm:

Rain Man
12-29-2004, 10:35 AM
I'm obviously clueless since it killed so many people, but I too would've thought that the waves would be bigger or more violent or something. Again, I know I'm wrong on this, but in the videos the waves look pretty survivable.

cadmonkey
12-29-2004, 10:40 AM
It wasn't the size of the waves, it was the tidal rush. The tide rose like ten feet. It wasn't a Tidal wave like you think it would be. Think of a bunch of people sitting on a beach and all of a sudden it goes from dead low tide to high tide in just seconds. That is why so many people died. High tide took over the towns. The water just kept rising, not crashing in.

Predarat
12-29-2004, 10:43 AM
I heard something like before the Tsunami hit the water was actually receding.

memyselfI
12-29-2004, 10:43 AM
It wasn't the size of the waves, it was the tidal rush. The tide rose like ten feet. It wasn't a Tidal wave like you think it would be. Think of a bunch of people sitting on a beach and all of a sudden it goes from dead low tide to high tide in just seconds. That is why so many people died. High tide took over the towns. The water just kept rising, not crashing in.


I would think the problem of undertow would cause more death than the size of the wave...

meaning the danger was not what was going on up high as much as down low and the sucking action. So even if you survived the initial rush of high water you could have been sucked in by the undertow and the tidal rush.

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 10:45 AM
It wasn't the size of the waves, it was the tidal rush. The tide rose like ten feet. It wasn't a Tidal wave like you think it would be. Think of a bunch of people sitting on a beach and all of a sudden it goes from dead low tide to high tide in just seconds. That is why so many people died. High tide took over the towns. The water just kept rising, not crashing in. Right. I think the big killer was that the receding tide pulled people, especially children, out to sea.

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 10:46 AM
I heard something like before the Tsunami hit the water was actually receding. Yes. That's true. The story said that hundred or even thousands of children ran down to the water's edge to pick up sea shells when the water receded. Then, it came crashing in and swept them up.

Predarat
12-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Yes. That's true. The story said that hundred or even thousands of children ran down to the water's edge to pick up sea shells when the water receded. Then, it came crashing in and swept them up.
Thats terrible. I feel silly for griping about sports and things when things like this happen.

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 11:06 AM
Thats terrible. I feel silly for griping about sports and things when things like this happen. I agree. :(

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 11:24 AM
I believe there were some larger earthquakes causing the number of casualties to go up into the 6 digit figures (>100,000). But this is the worst one as far as area affected goes. The numbers are going up day after day. Now the number of dead is over 100,000.

John_Wayne
12-29-2004, 11:25 AM
In the "informative video", is that the twin towers at the end? Is that video implying that NY could be hit by a Tsunami?

Rain Man
12-29-2004, 06:13 PM
According to NBC, the official death toll is now past 77,000.

Frazod
12-30-2004, 04:03 PM
This just gets worse and worse.... :shake:

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=111574

Indonesia Needs Help, Death Toll Expected To Exceed 400,000

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 (Bernama) -- The death toll in Acheh, the region worst hit by last Sunday's tsunami, may exceed 400,000 as many affected areas could still not be reached for search and rescue operations, Indonesia's Ambassador to Malaysia Drs H. Rusdihardjo said Thursday.

He said the estimate was based on air surveillance by Indonesian authorities who found no signs of life in places like Meulaboh, Pulau Simeulue and Tapak Tuan while several islands off the west coast of Sumatera had "disappeared".

He said the latest death toll of more than 40,000 in Acheh and northern Sumatera did not take into account the figures from the other areas, especially in the west of the region.

"Aerial surveillance found the town of Meulaboh completely destroyed with only one buiding standing. The building, which belonged to the military, happens to be on a hill," he told reporters after receiving RM1 million in aid for Indonesia's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund here Thursday.

Rusdihardjo said there were about 150,000 residents in Meulaboh, which was located 150km from the epicentre of the earthquake while Pulau Simeuleu had a population of 76,000.

The contributions were from several corporate giants.

Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB), represented by Chairman Tan Sri Ahmad Sarji Abdul Hamid, gave RM200,000; Guthrie, represented by Chief Executive Officer Datuk Abdul Wahab Maskan, gave RM200,000; Golden Hope Plantations Berhad, represented by Group Director for Corporate, Legal and Public Affairs Norlin Abdul Samad, gave RM200,000; Maybank, represented by Head of Public Affairs Wan Norhiyati Ibrahim, gave RM200,000 and Sime Darby Group's Motor Division, represented by Director Yip Jon Khiam, also gave RM200,000.

Ahmad Sarji also handed over a PNB contribution to Utusan's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund, which was received by Utusan Melayu (Malaysia) Executive Chairman Tan Sri Hashim Makarudin to help Malaysian tsunami victims.

Ambassador Rusdihardjo said a combination of earthquake and tsunami had left 80 to 100 per cent of infrastructure in Acheh province, such as hospitals, health centres, transport and communication networks and homes, destroyed.

"Looking at the scale of destruction, it's difficult to say when the search and rescue operations can be mounted in all affected areas," he said.

He said rescue efforts were hampered by transportation difficulties and lack of fuel.

Rusdihardjo said that at this time international help, especially in the form of medicines, clean water, food and clothing, were desperately needed by Indonesia to aid survivors in Acheh.

"Now we are worried about the outbreak of diseases such as cholera, the work of disposing corpses and the absence of clean water following the contamination of water sources," he said.

It would take years before the situation returned to normal, he said, adding that the Indonesian government was not able to estimate losses caused by the tragedy as yet.

He expressed his gratitude to Malaysia's help although the country itself was hit with 66 lives lost so far and property to the tune of millions of ringgit destroyed.

"We are deeply touched," he said.

Rusdihardjo said Indonesia was also seeking Malaysia's cooperation to mount search and rescue operations from its shores because of the close proximity of the two countries.

-- BERNAMA

memyselfI
12-30-2004, 06:15 PM
This just gets worse and worse.... :shake:



indeed, it does...

earlier Kevin Sites was on MSNBC reporting that in Thailand there is now reports of some of these lost children being snatched up by people who have ties to the sex/pornography trade in the region.

One cannot begin to comprehend what goes through the mind of a human who would seek out an orphaned child to further victimize and exploit them... :cuss: :banghead:

Snakey
12-30-2004, 06:40 PM
I kept wondering when the Indonesian reports would come in. Two days before they can begin to report was a bad sign.

While the UN want's to have meetings we have C-5 running non-stop and an Aircraft carrier battle group with some supplies off shore. But this is overwhelming.

It's so heartening that Saudi Arabia has donated 1 million, the amount some Shiek lost in Monte Carlo last night, or the French, who have donated less than a million, and Canada, 1 million, while threatening us with oil exports, threatening the US by saying they will be increasing exports to China.

Nice Allies. Meanwhile the death toll may approach 2 million, and the UN is posturing. I don't want a dime to go to the UN, I want coordination, not idiocy. Bring in some sailors. We still have some Sailors that are able to work in that mess. Most of Iraq and Afgan are infantry/special forces. We can use some sailors on shore.

They bitch at the UN. Does anyone else have a battle group running helecopters of the USS Lincoln?

I don't want a meeting of the UN. I want the US to help, because we have the tactical capacity to get in there immediately. Kobe Annan will have a damn meeting deciding how to skim money.

Let's just start flying transports into Bankok and shove some supplies off the Carrier Lincoln and keep the hospital ship there or dump supplies and then head to Pearl and load up again. Only the US can dump with copter.

And we will. God I hate the UN.

Snakey
12-30-2004, 06:44 PM
What did you expect, a great Muslim response out of Saudi Arabia and the Muslim world? Who came to our aid after 9/11? Who came to our aid in WW2?

They came to our aid in Gulf 1 because they wanted their oil. We took the oil away from the despots Saddam and the UN. and are trying to give it back to the Iraqis.

You would think there might be a little bit better response from the EU, which is having a meeting again, while bloated bodies split open. This is going to be a 50 billion dollar mess.

Pants
12-30-2004, 06:45 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=107435

Ari Chi3fs
12-30-2004, 07:17 PM
it blows me away still... this disaster is horrible. The animals that didnt die is also astounding.