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Dave Lane
12-27-2004, 11:50 PM
I personally like Smoot even though he has a bit of an attitude. This team could use some attitude on D for sure. I'd give at least a 2nd and maybe a 1st. Hard to get a proven NFL CB with the 18th pick or so. This is assuming he can be signed for something reasonable since he is a FA.

Dave

ChiefsFire
12-27-2004, 11:51 PM
my left nut

Phobia
12-27-2004, 11:52 PM
I'd give a Klondike bar.

Count Alex's Losses
12-27-2004, 11:59 PM
I'd give a Klondike bar.

I think you got it backwards.

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 12:04 AM
I think I am going to say I don't want any of the FA that are available.
It seems like every year we get all hyped up about some guy only to be denied. So maybe a little reverse mojo will help.

Phobia
12-28-2004, 12:04 AM
I think you got it backwards.

You gotta work with me, dude. I'm not a professional. You're not paying for this wit and I'm not being paid. This is about the best I got under the circumstances. You want quality material, break out paypal.

Count Alex's Losses
12-28-2004, 12:08 AM
You gotta work with me, dude. I'm not a professional. You're not paying for this wit and I'm not being paid. This is about the best I got under the circumstances. You want quality material, break out paypal.

It's OK. I just logged for the first time since last night. Did I miss anything? I read something about a naked pic of ENDelt.

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 12:21 AM
.... a naked pic of ENDelt.

Yeah, I read that too....I think they are shittin' us.... :shake:

Rausch
12-28-2004, 12:45 AM
You gotta work with me, dude.

And there lies the irony. I think young meat-peeker has proven he doesn't...

Logical
12-28-2004, 12:46 AM
As much as I want a quality CB which Smoot definitely is, I think with the change to the enforcement of the rules the most we should give for him is a 2nd round pick.

Rausch
12-28-2004, 12:49 AM
As much as I want a quality CB which Smoot definitely is, I think with the change to the enforcement of the rules the most we should give for him is a 2nd round pick.

I don't know if I just haven't watched the guy enough or we're all just desperate for respectable at CB, but I'm not that impressed.

Perhaps teh suck of Champ is clouding my judgement...

Count Alex's Losses
12-28-2004, 12:49 AM
And there lies the irony. I think young meat-peeker has proven he doesn't...

Oh, but I think I have.

Rausch
12-28-2004, 12:50 AM
Oh, but I think I have.

How so?...

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 12:51 AM
As much as I want a quality CB which Smoot definitely is, I think with the change to the enforcement of the rules the most we should give for him is a 2nd round pick.

I sure wouldn't give up a quality RB for him.

Count Alex's Losses
12-28-2004, 12:54 AM
How so?...

My current incarnation....

Phobia has restricted me to one thread per day...and I've stuck to that rule.

Hell, there are some days I haven't even posted a thread.

Rausch
12-28-2004, 12:55 AM
My current incarnation....

Phobia has restricted me to one thread per day...and I've stuck to that rule.

Hell, there are some days I haven't even posted a thread.

I'm sure that's how you look at it...

the Talking Can
12-28-2004, 12:59 AM
I doubt they'll let him go after losing Bailey....I'd give a second for sure, imho he's a top 10-15 CB in the league

Washington has one of the best pass D's in the league at 183 yards per game and he's averaged 50 tackles and 4 ints in his fist 4 years of play...might be a bit of a head case but he's confident...what's not to like?

in terms of production per $$, he's a much better deal than Bailey...

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 01:01 AM
I doubt they'll let him go after losing Bailey....I'd give a second for sure, imho he's a top 10-15 CB in the league

Washington has one of the best pass D's in the league at 183 yards per game and he's averaged 50 tackles and 4 ints in his fist 4 years of play...might be a bit of a head case but he's confident...what's not to like?

in terms of production per $$, he's a much better deal than Bailey...

I am thinking the same thing, Once they lost Bailey I don't think they can afford to lose Smoot.

Phobia
12-28-2004, 01:07 AM
My current incarnation....

Phobia has restricted me to one thread per day...and I've stuck to that rule.

Hell, there are some days I haven't even posted a thread.

You don't have much of a choice. First infraction, you go back to zero threads. You've been decent in this incarnation, though. I think the threads rule really helps. Most of what irritated people about you in the past were your retarded threads. I'm considering rehabilitating GuntherFan's image by putting him on restricted threads as well. People hate him because when he's not posting a stupid thread, he's posting one that has already been posted. I think it would be good for him.

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 01:09 AM
You don't have much of a choice. First infraction, you go back to zero threads. You've been decent in this incarnation, though. I think the threads rule really helps. Most of what irritated people about you in the past were your retarded threads. I'm considering rehabilitating GuntherFan's image by putting him on restricted threads as well. People hate him because when he's not posting a stupid thread, he's posting one that has already been posted. I think it would be good for him.

Do you have ideas about how to rehabiliate me? :hmmm:

:p

Phobia
12-28-2004, 01:10 AM
Do you have ideas about how to rehabiliate me? :hmmm:

:p

I think you should shower with Danielle Sargent.

2bikemike
12-28-2004, 01:10 AM
You don't have much of a choice. First infraction, you go back to zero threads. You've been decent in this incarnation, though. I think the threads rule really helps. Most of what irritated people about you in the past were your retarded threads. I'm considering rehabilitating GuntherFan's image by putting him on restricted threads as well. People hate him because when he's not posting a stupid thread, he's posting one that has already been posted. I think it would be good for him.

That sounds like a good plan.

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 01:11 AM
I think you should shower with Danielle Sargent.

Is she the sportscaster someone (goatcheese) claimed to see in River Falls? :hmmm:

ROFL

Phobia
12-28-2004, 01:13 AM
That was GuntherFan back when he was Freakshow.

Mr. Kotter
12-28-2004, 01:18 AM
That was GuntherFan back when he was Freakshow.

Sorry; I have enough problems keeping "me" straight... :p

Jenson71
12-28-2004, 01:43 AM
My current incarnation....

Phobia has restricted me to one thread per day...and I've stuck to that rule.

Hell, there are some days I haven't even posted a thread.

Please, post more. Post...like 10 in a row in a period of one minute. I bet you can't do it.

Digital Takawira
12-28-2004, 04:22 AM
just peep the sig. thats all you need to know about smoot.

Bob Dole
12-28-2004, 07:27 AM
Bob Dole wouldn't give more than a Klondike bar.

Not impressed.

QuikSsurfer
12-28-2004, 09:32 AM
I'd give em a nice 2nd rounder... and throw in Kendel Gammon

Hoover
12-28-2004, 09:35 AM
Um a contract. He is a FA, and if the Skins tag him there is nothing we can do.

MGRS13
12-28-2004, 10:22 AM
I'd give a second but thats about it. The new rules kill the idea of a "shut down" corner.

Cochise
12-28-2004, 10:26 AM
Second at the most. (assuming he wasn't a free agent :rolleyes:)The way contact is being called now, the value of cover corners is being eroded. We'd be better off with more of a pass rush.

bricks
12-28-2004, 10:34 AM
I'd give em Eric Hicks, Ryan Sims, Shawn Barber, Dexter McCleon, William Bartee, Jerome Woods.....Practically the whole defense...I'm not exaggerating.
And you know what? I'll bet our defense wouldn't be worse.

Chiefnj
12-28-2004, 10:44 AM
Assuming he could be signed to a 5 or 6 year deal and traded, I'd happily give a first round pick.

Deberg_1990
12-28-2004, 12:20 PM
As much as I want a quality CB which Smoot definitely is, I think with the change to the enforcement of the rules the most we should give for him is a 2nd round pick.

Agreed, thats all i would give up for him. He was drafted in the 2nd round as well...

Dave Lane
12-28-2004, 12:30 PM
I could be tempted for a 1st but definately a second. We need someone that can actually cover and have some attitude about it. I wish half our defense had a bad attitude about blown plays.

Dave

Gaz
12-28-2004, 01:17 PM
...The way contact is being called now, the value of cover corners is being eroded. We'd be better off with more of a pass rush.

There it is.

xoxo~
Gaz
More interested in DE than CB.

Dave Lane
12-28-2004, 01:35 PM
There it is.

xoxo~
Gaz
More interested in DE than CB.


So who do you want?

Dave

Hoover
12-28-2004, 01:59 PM
So who do you want?

Dave
Its too early to know what DE will drop to us in the draft. But I'd take what ever one is there.

A first round DE can come in and play now.
A first round DE can come in and make our other investments we have made in the DLine pay off.

I like drafting a DE over a CB who will not be ready to play. We need a CB, but I think we will have to put up with a FA as a starter.

Cochise
12-28-2004, 03:42 PM
IMO, we don't have anyone on defense until you get to the safeties who plays the run well.

Holliday was supposed to be a run specialist, we all know how well Hicks gets himself blocked. Sims has potential still, but until we get someone to play next to him he's going to be contained easily by the o-line, and Siavii after being banged up all year still deserves a chance to prove himself. He's certainly got the size to play over the nose. We have nothing at linebacker against the run, and the only person in the secondary who I think plays it well is Wesley. So, following the old formula of run the ball and stop the run, I think we need to address our run defense first.

Realistically I know that after the team's committing to Eric Hicks last offseason they are going to play him. Right or wrong. And with the emergence of Jared Allen, the DE slots are filled up unless we draft someone to rotate out for Allen on passing downs. I don't like that idea, I want Allen in there most of the time to continue to develop, or I would be in favor of us getting someone like Marcus Spears.

So, that leaves me at linebacker. I'd like if we could get our Zach Thomas, our Urlacher, someone who will put themself in gaps and play the run all the way to the sideline.

I'm not a Barber hater, and I think Fujita needs to be in there to develop, but we have absolutely nothing at MLB.

So, I think we need to find our defense's field general, and start from there. Draft him, find him in free agency, I don't care, just get something there.

Gaz
12-28-2004, 07:03 PM
Its too early to know what DE will drop to us in the draft. But I'd take what ever one is there.

A first round DE can come in and play now.
A first round DE can come in and make our other investments we have made in the DLine pay off.

I like drafting a DE over a CB who will not be ready to play. We need a CB, but I think we will have to put up with a FA as a starter.

There it is again.

xoxo~
Gaz
Finding all the proper points have already been made.

Gaz
12-28-2004, 07:09 PM
The glorious failure of Champ Bailey in Denver is a clear illustration that the CB position has been marginalized by the NFL. There is no such thing as a “shutdown corner.” Some of you need to wake up and smell the 21st century NFL. Pass defense must take place in the Enemy backfield, because you cannot expect a CB to fight both the WR and the Referees.

We need DE in the draft, because a rookie can come in and contribute immediately. We need a FA MLB to quarterback our Defense [Mitchell showed improvement lately, but is not starting material].

CB is a distant third on the need list. Perhaps fourth after OLB.

Welcome to the modern NFL.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has to admit he is enjoying the glorious failure that is Champ Bailey.

mcan
12-28-2004, 07:16 PM
No question that the GLARING hole in this defense is at MLB... We haven't had anybody play that spot well since... Well... Marvcus Patton? Geez, it's been forever since we've had a true MLB. And you know what, our defense has sucked ever since! We've tried about 9 different defensive back combinations, an infinite number of defensive line rotations, two defensive coordinators and a half dozen or so position coach changes... We haven't seen jack sh!t for results. I think it's time to spend some money on a quarterback for DEFENSE!!!!

the Talking Can
12-28-2004, 07:38 PM
the fact that CBs are hampered by the NFL rules doesn't mean that all CBs are the same, or that it doesn't matter who your CB is...we still need a #1 CB and, really, a #3 CB...Smoot is a #1 CB...draft a DE in the first and sign Smoot and we're starting to really fix things....I also think we need a veteran LB to replace either Barber (who was average BEFORE blowing out his knee) or Mitchell (who is still a mystery, showing the proverbial "flashes"), but we might have address that in rounds 1 or 2...and of course a safety (cause in my fantasy we cut Woods)....and a monster DT (cause my fantasy also involves cutting Sims...and Holliday, Morton, Bartee, Hicks, Barber, McCleon, CP, Guinta...)

Dave Lane
12-28-2004, 07:44 PM
The glorious failure of Champ Bailey in Denver is a clear illustration that the CB position has been marginalized by the NFL. There is no such thing as a “shutdown corner.” Some of you need to wake up and smell the 21st century NFL. Pass defense must take place in the Enemy backfield, because you cannot expect a CB to fight both the WR and the Referees.

We need DE in the draft, because a rookie can come in and contribute immediately. We need a FA MLB to quarterback our Defense [Mitchell showed improvement lately, but is not starting material].

CB is a distant third on the need list. Perhaps fourth after OLB.

Welcome to the modern NFL.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has to admit he is enjoying the glorious failure that is Champ Bailey.


I agree in the draft but a good starting CB that is ready to play is a nice luxury. I'd take Smoot for our 2nd in a minute. Then like you I'd go DE if we can get a good one at 18 and then MLB in FA.

I'd like Smoot and Warfield with Battle or Sapp as nickel. New 1st rounder DE and the best available FA MLB.

Dave
~this would suit me fine with any unexpected help gladly taken.

whoman69
12-28-2004, 08:49 PM
I think we should go after Hugh Douglas.

Lzen
12-29-2004, 10:01 AM
Sorry; I have enough problems keeping "me" straight... :p

I think it's safe to proclaimt that a failure.......Anton. :p

Gaz
12-29-2004, 10:16 AM
DE in the 1st Round.
MLB in FA [$$$].
Best FA CB available with the remaining cash.

A CB upgrade would be nice, but it is not a top priority.

xoxo~
Gaz
Maximizing impact under the current rules.

milkman
12-29-2004, 10:17 AM
I'd give a second round pick for Smoot.
That is assuming that the 'Skins tag him, and he doesn't hit the open market.

1st round pick, I'd like to see used on a MLB, if said LB is not a reach.

htismaqe
12-29-2004, 10:59 AM
I'd give a second round pick for Smoot.
That is assuming that the 'Skins tag him, and he doesn't hit the open market.

1st round pick, I'd like to see used on a MLB, if said LB is not a reach.

I'd rather see us take an OLB in the draft -- there aren't many good MLB's coming out this year -- and go MLB in FA...

Chiefnj
12-29-2004, 11:01 AM
Draft picks are a crap shoot as to whether they will pan out or not, plus you have the question of who will still be around when you pick. The Chiefs need defensive playmakers at several positions and they need that guy to be able to play in week 1. Smoot is a playmaker. I'd take him with a first round pick. If there was a DE of comparable quality, I'd give up a first round pick for him as well; same goes for a LB. There is a good chance Warfield will miss the first 4 games so the need for a corner is pretty dire.

bricks
12-29-2004, 11:19 AM
Folks,

I have read some of the opinions on this thread, and I must some of the points are expressed very well. First off, let me say Gaz, you proved and expressed some real good points. As I much as I would like the Chiefs to address the CB situation, I don't think it will really matter nowadays. Regardless, of who we get. The new 5 yard push off rule, or illegal contact, whatever they call it, is a big disadvantage to the CB's in the NFL. Do I think it's fair for defenses? Absolutely not. I wish the NFL would stop being biased and eliminate that rule.
There is no such thing as a "shutdown corner". They are obsolete.

Now, here is a major problem. you see, the new rule is a big disadvantage to Gun's D. Reason being, cause his defensive schemes require a lot of press man-to-man coverages. So therefore, a cover corner is required for his scheme. I recall, this year, I saw a lot of press man-to-man coverage with a lot of blitzing. I could also recall, that Warfield has been flagged several times this year for illegal contact or use of the hands. Not to say he is a bad cover corner, but, a good one to say the least. The new rules are not going well with him. Who knows what will happen this off-season? We could get another CB like Warfield, or possibly, Draft a stud DE.

either or, this is what the Chiefs have to seriously consider, first off, Gun and DV have to discuss their defensive plans this off-season. do you keep the defensive schemes, philosophy the same, and go sign a CB this off-season, and a couple of LB's? Or do you work on the DL, change the schemes, philosophy and go back to a cover 2 zone? So, either way it depends on what type of defense we want to run. If it's a case where we go with a cover 2? we better pick up a couple of DL, I'm not satisfied with Hicks, and Sims. I'd like to see us, acquire a DE in the Draft, I'm hoping at the very least the Chiefs draft my man Pollack, and pick up a DT like Shaun Rogers from Detroit. Now if we decide to go with the same defensive scheme, we better find ourselves a CB, and a couple of LB's. If that's the case, I'm in the running for guys like Smoot, Woodson, K.Lucas, Hartwell, K.Bell, A.Brooks, B.Simmons, Witherspoon, D.Johnson, etc. anybody better than the guys we have.

BigChiefFan
12-29-2004, 12:20 PM
Go after John Abraham if he becomes a FA. Problem solved for pass-rusher. If we upgrade with QUALITY, we don't need as many FAs as some would think. Abraham and a quality MLBer and we know what direction to go in the draft. The crystal ball says Abraham is a difference maker and the Chiefs would be lucky to have him.