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the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 10:59 AM
610 and probably 810

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:04 AM
Maz now has one leg longer than the other due to sugery...I have no idea what that has to do with him playing football, but hey...

Welbourne's knee is going to be 100%

Woods has a nerve problem in his knee...no prognosis

Black probably won't need surgery on his knee

Dalton had shoulder MRI...no report yet

Gonzo will have foot surgery in a month

Boerichter will be ready by first OTA

Barber had surgery this morning, ACL reconstruction with his own tendons...will start training camp on PUP

Count Zarth
01-04-2005, 11:05 AM
Maz now has one leg longer than the other due to sugery...I have no idea what that has to do with him playing football, but hey...

It'd be funny if it made him faster.

stumppy
01-04-2005, 11:06 AM
It'd be funny if it made him faster.

Not much of a pass rusher but he'll be hell on the corner routes.:)

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 11:07 AM
don't blame Trent, don't blame trent :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

Iowanian
01-04-2005, 11:08 AM
can someone give a playbyplay....I'm swamped and can't

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:08 AM
DV:

"pleased with growth of offense, contiues to break records"

"season record not good enough" (duh)

blows AS and offensive coaches, players

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:10 AM
DV

"Defense- improved against run...played well enough to keep 14 games close into the 4th quarter"

"I thought we would be in top 15 with D"

"Growth in young players..blah blah blah" (he still doesn't care about defense, he spent 5 minutes blowing the offense and 33 seconds discussing the defense)

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:11 AM
DV:

just lots of vague comments about needing to get better....yawn

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:13 AM
DV:

again

"we played well enough to be ahead or tied in 14 games in the 4th quarter"

"Samiie Parker: he doesn't speak, he's not a deaf-mute, he just doesn't say anything..." (I'm not making this up)

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:16 AM
DV:

has used the word "grow" or "growth" 104 times

on fans:

"unbelievable...blah blah...we don't screen callers..I like controversial questions...warm and loyal...we let fans down...only 4 teams have more than this franchise over the last 2 years (???)...we played a tough schedule..."

now questiions

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:17 AM
don't blame Trent, don't blame trent :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

why would you?

you'd have to be a moron....

ptlyon
01-04-2005, 11:19 AM
"Growth in young players..blah blah blah" (he still doesn't care about defense, he spent 5 minutes blowing the offense and 33 seconds discussing the defense)

Really not much to say about it

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:19 AM
"As bad a team as we are no one in the league hasa done what we did with the football (offense)"

"I'n not sorry I resigned Hicks, he had a good year, played well"

"We resigned both safties, both had injuries" (no comment on performance)

"Bartee did not have a great year. He practices well, but he gives up big plays"

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:20 AM
DV making excuses for defensive players..it is obvious he doesn't want to cut any of them, it makes me sick

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:21 AM
Our run defense numbers were ok because teams realized they could gain 10 yards per pass. Why run for 5 when you can throw for 10 consistently?

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:22 AM
"

"Bartee did not have a great year. He practices well, but he gives up big plays"

ok, that might be the funniest DV quote yet ROFL

Practices well? WTF does that mean, if he can't defend worth a **** on Sundays. Geezus, I think DV has been having a horrid rash of Sr. moments......

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:22 AM
"Biggest problem: not transferring practice execution to game day"

(no shit...)

asked about players being bad under both DC's

"we don't have anyone better"
then starts quoting schedule stats and making excuses.....

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:23 AM
"Do I second guess the signing of those D players last year? No."

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:24 AM
"Biggest problem: not transferring practice execution to game day"

(no shit...)

asked about players being bad under both DC's

"we don't have anyone better"
then starts quoting schedule stats and making excuses.....

This guy quotes stats like they mean something positive after a gawd awfull 7-9 season. STFU already and get some new defenders in here you ****ing senile sonofabitch

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:24 AM
"Its harder today to overhaul a roster. We did a good job overhauling the offense."

starts talking about offense again.....boring

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:25 AM
"Its harder today to overhaul a roster. We did a good job overhauling the offense."

starts talking about offense again.....boring

How could he say it's harder to overhaul a side of the ball today? It's easier today than it's ever been!

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:25 AM
"we just had first personnel meeting this morning with defensive coaches"

he qoutes stats showing that most FA's are busts

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 11:25 AM
"Samiie Parker: he doesn't speak, he's not a deaf-mute, he just doesn't say anything..." (I'm not making this up)


:spock:

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:26 AM
"Its harder today to overhaul a roster. We did a good job overhauling the offense."

starts talking about offense again.....boring

Tells me all I need to know. Let's fix the Defense by focusing more on the offense.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:26 AM
"We've drafted defense....some of those picks haven't worked out".

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 11:26 AM
he qoutes stats showing that most FA's are busts

or in KC's case, ALL FA's are busts, right?

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:27 AM
"Larry Johnson, at one time, was offered in a trade"

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:27 AM
"We've drafted defense....some of those picks haven't worked out".

ROFL The hits just keeeeeeeeeep coming. Brilliant.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:28 AM
"Defense: starts with the backend forward...ask who can get better...I'm pleased with progress of DL...Sims still inconsistent...Hicks played his butt off (barf)...Wilkerson is ascending...our young LBs are inconsistent, have to grow...our secondary: have to evaluate, can they play better? if not we have to do something"

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:28 AM
"Sims is inconsistent, you KNOW what you'll get from Hicks....he played his butt off on Sunday"

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:29 AM
Sorry if I mirror some of you comments Can....

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 11:29 AM
why would you?

you'd have to be a moron....

did i say he should blame Trent?


no, i didn't


just this constant cryin' and defending Trent Green EVEN WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T being critical of him is just fuggin' old.

Green had a bad game... just say so and move on

this inferority complex and hyper defensive attitude is silly, he needs to get over it.

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 11:30 AM
would not consider trading offensive players to boost the defense

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:30 AM
In relation to Sims: "Hard for 3 technique to be a big playmaker"

The excuses keep coming

"His effort is there, but he's inconsistent"

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:30 AM
"Sims: his effort is there...has bad habits, correct in practice but forgets in game...will he be a probowl player? maybe not, but he'll be a good player"

ptlyon
01-04-2005, 11:31 AM
This guy quotes stats like they mean something positive after a gawd awfull 7-9 season. STFU already and get some new defenders in here you ****ing senile sonofabitch

wow - somebody's bitter

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:31 AM
Still thinks Sims will be a good football player

"if you want him to have more than 15 tackles, he'd need to play more snaps"

Unbelievable

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:31 AM
DV is a master in making excuses

he's justifying Sims 15 tackles by saying Hicks only had 22!!! wtf????

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:31 AM
"Sims: his effort is there...has bad habits, correct in practice but forgets in game..

Seems to be a rash of that going on...... :hmmm:

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:32 AM
wow - somebody's bitter

Nah. I just feel like unloading today. You know, any port in the storm :)

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:32 AM
he said Hicks played 700 snaps and had 22 tackles and Sims played 500 snaps and had 15 tackles....and it didn't occur to him that this was a bad thing

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:34 AM
he said Hicks played 700 snaps and had 22 tackles and Sims played 500 snaps and had 15 tackles....and it didn't occur to him that this was a bad thing

As if it's assumed that Hicks is a model, and Sims matches up well with him :shake:

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:34 AM
"Shields...I would be surprised if he retired and I would be surprised if he didn't retire." (i think)

DV talking about window of opportunity:
"Gentleman, schedule, schedule, schedule"

Coogs
01-04-2005, 11:34 AM
DV

"Defense- improved against run...


In terms of ranking we were 12th, so yes it was an improvement. However, we gave up 4.6 YPA which tied for next to last.

Oakland had a crappy defense too. They were 22nd in terms of ranking, but only gave up 3.7 YPA which ranked 6th.

So who had the better run defense, us or Oakland? :hmmm:

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 11:35 AM
As if it's assumed that Hicks is a model, and Sims matches up well with him :shake:

There's the humor of it all. They've got the bar set so ****ing low for the _efense, that you'd stub your gawdamn toe on it.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Just said Green has played more games consecutively than any QB in the history of the league. Um, have you heard of a fellow by the name of Brett Favre?

penguinz
01-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Keeps emphasizing that the schedule last season was much easier.

penguinz
01-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Just said Green has played more games consecutively than any QB in the history of the league. Um, have you heard of a fellow by the name of Brett Favre?
He meant in Chiefs history.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:37 AM
He's comparing our offense to the last 5 Super Bowl winners......for God's sake DICK, how does our defense rank?

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:38 AM
He meant in Chiefs history.

Oh, well that means a lot with our rich tradition in quarterbacks.

Bob Dole
01-04-2005, 11:38 AM
If they keep Bartee, maybe the team should spend the money to move whatever bed he sleeps in during the week to the team's hotel. It's pretty obvious to everyone but Dick that those hotel matresses are giving him a stiff neck.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:38 AM
As if it's assumed that Hicks is a model, and Sims matches up well with him :shake:

that's exactly what he was saying...it is sad, he really thinks Hicks is a good player...we're ****ed

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 11:38 AM
I want him gone.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:39 AM
that's exactly what he was saying...it is sad, he really thinks Hicks is a good player...we're ****ed

He equates effort with "good". That's a problem.

Coogs
01-04-2005, 11:39 AM
Keeps emphasizing that the schedule last season was much easier.

San Diego had the same damn schedule we did, sans two games. Yet they finished 5 games in front of us. :shake:

tomahawk kid
01-04-2005, 11:40 AM
He equates effort with "good". That's a problem.

I agree.

If you don't have it, you don't have it.

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 11:41 AM
San Diego had the same damn schedule we did, sans two games. Yet they finished 5 games in front of us. :shake:

I think he's referring to 2003...

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:42 AM
I'm done listening....he's just feeling sorry for himself...what a pointless ****ing interview


wait, here's CP...yea, he's having shoulder surgery soon

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:42 AM
Now he's talking about how good the AFC is, essentially saying we may or may not suceed next year.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:43 AM
He equates effort with "good". That's a problem.

yes, he's more interested in effort than production....on defense that is

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Green awarded MVP award, Allen is rookie of the year per Carl.

svuba
01-04-2005, 11:43 AM
DV will not Badmouth his players in the press(except LJ) even if they suck a$$ - - - Get used to it. What he says in the press conference has nothing to do with what is really going to happen. He just wants to "save face" for everyone on the team. He even did it for Grob

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:44 AM
Jeff Foster, personel director is leaving for a job with the National Scouting Service, will work on Indy Combine...

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:45 AM
DV will not Badmouth his players in the press(except LJ) even if they suck a$$ - - - Get used to it. What he says in the press conference has nothing to do with what is really going to happen. He just wants to "save face" for everyone on the team. He even did it for Grob

I would agree with you if we hadn't heard the same things after the last two seasons and kept those same players.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 11:45 AM
Jeff Foster, personel director is leaving for a job with the National Scouting Service, will work on Indy Combine...

this may be the best news yet

Coogs
01-04-2005, 11:47 AM
I think he's referring to 2003...

I was reading "we had a much easier schedule last year" to mean we had a difficult schedule this year.

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 11:49 AM
I was reading "we had a much easier schedule last year" to mean we had a difficult schedule this year.

Yep...and last year (2003) SD finished 9 games behind KC when they had the same schedule sans 2 games.

So the point?

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 11:50 AM
no ticket pricing raises for next year! :)

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:50 AM
Tix and parking prices will not go up

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 11:50 AM
Yep...and last year (2003) SD finished 9 games behind KC when they had the same schedule sans 2 games.

So the point?
He's a blithering senile old fool who constantly makes excuses for piss-poor performance then tries to back it up with meaningless statistics.

tomahawk kid
01-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Tix and parking prices will not go up

OMG!!!

We're all gonna die!!!

The world is coming to an end!

ptlyon
01-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Yep...and last year (2003) SD finished 9 games behind KC when they had the same schedule sans 2 games.

So the point?

Que up Edith Bunker:
"THHHHHOOOOOSE WEEEEERRRREEEE THHHHHEEEEE DAAAAAAYYYYSSSSS"

Coogs
01-04-2005, 11:52 AM
Yep...and last year (2003) SD finished 9 games behind KC when they had the same schedule sans 2 games.

So the point?


San Diego drafted some pretty good players the last few years, and they are starting to pan out. They are a young team on the rise.

We missed our chance last year, IMO.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:52 AM
Carl - "Always better to retain your own players"

Even if they suck Carl? Good grief....it's unbelievable what I'm hearing.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:53 AM
"Continued coaching, and these guys will get better"

I hope they're just feeding us fluff, while planning to really make some tough decisions.

DeepSouth
01-04-2005, 11:55 AM
DV will not Badmouth his players in the press(except LJ) even if they suck a$$ - - - Get used to it. What he says in the press conference has nothing to do with what is really going to happen. He just wants to "save face" for everyone on the team. He even did it for Grob

Or, if you're a kicker.................

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 11:55 AM
he said Hicks played 700 snaps and had 22 tackles and Sims played 500 snaps and had 15 tackles....and it didn't occur to him that this was a bad thing

If there were 33 defensive players on the field, those stats wouldn't be bad.

If you figure that 60 percent of those plays were passes, and 40 percent of those were incomplete, that would imply that there are 76 tackles possible for every 100 plays. Add in the fact that they'll usually credit two or more tackles on a given play (as tackles or assists), and we can round off and say that maybe 100 plays will produce 150 tackles.

Truthfully, I don't expect a defensive tackle to make 1/11th of the tackles on defense. Of those, maybe a defensive lineman has a chance for half of them, since he's not going to make a lot of tackles on downfield passes. Maybe 1/20 for a defensive tackle? That would equate to about 7 tackles per 100 snaps. We would therefore expect Sims to get about 35 tackles, maybe more since HE WAS A TOP-SIX DRAFT PICK!

As for the left defensive end, you'd think he'd get a lot more opportunities for tackles since more runs come at him. Maybe he should get 1/15th of available tackles? That would equate to about 10 tackles per 100 snaps, or 70 tackles for Hicks. His numbers are abhorrent.

(Yes, I could probably just look at stats for other defensive linemen and compare, but it was more fun to do the math.)

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 11:56 AM
"Continued coaching, and these guys will get better"

I hope they're just feeding us fluff, while planning to really make some tough decisions.

What's so tough about telling employees who have continually underachieved that they're fired? :shrug:

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 11:57 AM
San Diego drafted some pretty good players the last few years, and they are starting to pan out. They are a young team on the rise.

We missed our chance last year, IMO.

I would agree, that last year was KC's run...SD drafted/traded for a QB that didnt play. Their soon to be UFA starting QB, blew up after being completely written off and Gates came out of nowhere and the QB/TE took the pressure off of Tomlinson.

The defense was the same as last year.

Sometimes it all clicks...kind of like it did for KC last year.

KevB
01-04-2005, 11:58 AM
"Drafting 15th, and we have 9 choices. We will get a very good football player at 15. Will he make an immediate impact? We don't know that yet."

Coogs
01-04-2005, 12:01 PM
I would agree, that last year was KC's run...SD drafted/traded for a QB that didnt play. Their soon to be UFA starting QB, blew up after being completely written off and Gates came out of nowhere and the QB/TE took the pressure off of Tomlinson.

The defense was the same as last year.

Sometimes it all clicks...kind of like it did for KC last year.

They spent quite a few picks in their secondary the previous two or three years. IIRC, 3 CB's and a couple of S's were pretty high selections. And it looks like they may have hit the mark on many of those picks. So even though the defense was the same, the experience of those players is making the marked difference for the Bolts.

And us.... we have pretty much missed on our picks the last two or three years.

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:04 PM
He says we will have some room to sign some players, but warns that those players currently designated as unrestricted may not be there in March. He says that if they're good, they'll probably get re-signed by their current team.

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 12:04 PM
"Drafting 15th, and we have 9 choices. We will get a very good football player at 15. Will he make an immediate impact? We don't know that yet."

Holy freaking cripes. If I was a first-round prospect, I'd bring cigarettes and a hooker into my interview with the Chiefs, just to avoid being drafted by them.

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 12:07 PM
carl wants to give defensive players "1 more year"

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 12:07 PM
They spent quite a few picks in their secondary the previous two or three years. IIRC, 3 CB's and a couple of S's were pretty high selections. And it looks like they may have hit the mark on many of those picks. So even though the defense was the same, the experience of those players is making the marked difference for the Bolts.

And us.... we have pretty much missed on our picks the last two or three years.

2002: Jammer #5 overall, no other DB's taken that year.
2003: Sammy Davis #30 overall, Florence and Kiel in 2nd round.
2004: No DB's.

That said, I put the impetus of SD's new found success not on their defense, because it didnt change, but on the offense's ability to spread it around and not just hand off to Tomlinson 60% of the time.

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:07 PM
Carl said, "Candidly, I'd like to give those guys we signed before the season one more year to improve".

OMFG.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 12:07 PM
CP just said it about our defense:

"Candidly: I'd like to give them one more year."

there it is folks, from CPs mouth

The Bad Guy
01-04-2005, 12:08 PM
Why does this old asshole keep crying about a schedule? Everyone in our division plays basically teh same schedule.

I don't see Marty, Shanarat or Norv already making excuses for next year.

His old ass has to go. He forces his players to have zero accountabiliy -- except for the punter. If he under performs he has to go.

God this is frustrating to listen to.

You don't regret re-signing all of the scabs that were on the worst defense in the NFL? Vermeil spins more than Taco John.

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 12:09 PM
fans need to sit the fvck down and shut the fvck up because we know what we are doing.


(hehe my interpretation :) )

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:09 PM
Carl, "takes responsibility for the defense not improving". Well hell, I'll take responsibility for world hunger, because the we'll each be punished the same for our mistakes.

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 12:10 PM
CP just said it about our defense:

"Candidly: I'd like to give them one more year."

there it is folks, from CPs mouth

That's what it's all about in life - chances.

CP and DV are quite the humanitarians. Gawd, this is going to be a fun offseason.............

Count Zarth
01-04-2005, 12:10 PM
Why does this old asshole keep crying about a schedule? Everyone in our division plays basically teh same schedule.

I don't see Marty, Shanarat or Norv already making excuses for next year.

His old ass has to go. He forces his players to have zero accountabiliy -- except for the punter. If he under performs he has to go.

God this is frustrating to listen to.

You don't regret re-signing all of the scabs that were on the worst defense in the NFL? Vermeil spins more than Taco John.

Yeah. Vermeil can suck my balls - I'm done with him.

VERMEIL SUCKS

The Bad Guy
01-04-2005, 12:10 PM
CP just said it about our defense:

"Candidly: I'd like to give them one more year."

there it is folks, from CPs mouth

If this is true, I won't watch a single Chiefs game next year.

The NFL is a performance based business and these assholes act like they are the toast of the league every year that they don't need to make changes.

siberian khatru
01-04-2005, 12:11 PM
I'm just going to take a deep breath and ignore everything DV says this offseason, and instead just sit back and watch what they do. Because if I actually believed everything he said I'd probably quit this team.

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:11 PM
We'll "attempt" to sign a couple of players this offseason, but we'll tell a safety he has to compete to with the job, and we'll tell some LB he has to compete with Kawicka Frickin' Mitchell....and those guys will say screw you.

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:14 PM
Lastly, Posnanski asked something about the outlook for next season, and Carl said, "everyone in this organization, including the Pres. and GM, have one year left on their contract".

Chief Henry
01-04-2005, 12:14 PM
Early in the broadcast, DV said he was in a 3.5 hour meeting. He admitted that he got his butt chewed out. Did any reporter ask why he got his butt chewed out?

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 12:16 PM
Early in the broadcast, DV said he was in a 3.5 hour meeting. He admitted that he got his butt chewed out. Did any reporter ask why he got his butt chewed out?

I think that was literal, not figurative. :hump:

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 12:17 PM
I want him GONE!!!

DV has reached Stooge status in my book. Pack your kleenex, excuses, and worthless statsitcis and get the #&$^ OUT! :grr:

KingPriest2
01-04-2005, 12:18 PM
In terms of ranking we were 12th, so yes it was an improvement. However, we gave up 4.6 YPA which tied for next to last.

Oakland had a crappy defense too. They were 22nd in terms of ranking, but only gave up 3.7 YPA which ranked 6th.

So who had the better run defense, us or Oakland? :hmmm:

If you looked at it more we gave up 5.2 last year and over 6 prob the last 8 games last year.

So that is what he is talking about as well.

cron912
01-04-2005, 12:22 PM
I'm sick and tired of 'listening' to DV and CP making excuses for this teams shoddy play. We need to start one of those online petitions, get it routed, signed, and send it to them. It may not be a cure-all, but with a significant backing from the fan base it might open their eyes just a little bit. Anyone with me? Has anyone here ever done one?

KingPriest2
01-04-2005, 12:23 PM
I think he's referring to 2003...


Yeah he was but We played the same sch as SD sans 2 games and they had a 12 and 4 record

So tell me is the schedule that much of a difference?

ChiTown
01-04-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm sick and tired of 'listening' to DV and CP making excuses for this teams shoddy play. We need to start one of those online petitions, get it routed, signed, and send it to them. It may not be a cure-all, but with a significant backing from the fan base it might open their eyes just a little bit. Anyone with me? Has anyone here ever done one?

Never. You wanna know why? Casue they are fuggin worthless when you sell-out your stadium every year and there's a waiting list to get season tickets. In addition, Carl, DV, Lamar don't really give a crap what their fans think. The NFL TV contract gar. them a bundle of money - fannies in seats or not. AND, and, and, you get in their wallet too much, and they'll pull out of KC quicker than you can say Rich Scanlon.......

Dave Lane
01-04-2005, 12:31 PM
What's so tough about telling employees who have continually underachieved that they're fired? :shrug:

You can't say it publically. The general rule is praise publically and criticize privately. Any good manager will stick to these rules. Not saying i follow this but you are supposed to do it this way.

Dave

Dave Lane
01-04-2005, 12:33 PM
carl wants to give defensive players "1 more year"

This had BETTER be some crap you made up!!!!! :banghead: :banghead:


Dave

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 12:33 PM
You can't say it publically. The general rule is praise publically and criticize privately. Any good manager will stick to these rules. Not saying i follow this but you are supposed to do it this way.

Dave

To a point, I agree. Once the employee's failures start reflecting poorly on management, the gloves come off.

Swanman
01-04-2005, 12:39 PM
"DHicks played his butt off (barf)..."

Someone needs to tell DV that there is a sizable difference between playing your butt off and having your ass handed to you.

Dave Lane
01-04-2005, 12:39 PM
To a point, I agree. Once the employee's failures start reflecting poorly on management, the gloves come off.

Sh*t I'd have cut Bartee in the middle of a quarter to make a point. Kinda like when Steven Seagal shot the leader of the group who said you don't have enough bullets to kill us all.

"Who's next! How about you?"

Dave

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 12:42 PM
lol

KevB
01-04-2005, 12:48 PM
This had BETTER be some crap you made up!!!!! :banghead: :banghead:


Dave

Unfortunately, it's the truth. He talked about the dead money associated with cutting the guys we just signed last offseason.

Cochise
01-04-2005, 12:52 PM
I dont really know what to think because it's mostly people on this thread who hate all the coaches and everyone on the team anyway. But of course they are going to try to put a positive spin on things. It's a press conference.

There's no way they dont realize that they made mistakes last offseason. If they don't correct them then I will be pissed. If they don't change any personnel on D or do anything in the draft I will be ready to run them out of town along with you guys. But take this for what it is, a press conference.

jcroft
01-04-2005, 12:56 PM
I know it's frustrating when they spin, spin, spin, but it's in their job description. It's what they're supposed to do. It's the whole point of a press conference -- to spin the news your way so they press don't spin it theirs, first.

The best suggestion in this whole thread was to not listen to what they say and watch what they do. Now, given what they did last year, I fear they'll do exactly what they say -- and THEN we can be pissed. But, getting pissed just because they SAID this stuff is getting mad at someone for doing their job.

MGRS13
01-04-2005, 12:59 PM
What was up with the last comment by CP "everyone on this staff including the president GM is in the last year of thier contract." Was CP saying "hey me and Dick and a bunch of Lamar's money are out of here in a year so we don't care what happens to this team." Or was he saying "this is it, one last hurrah, I don't care about salary cap hell whatever it takes." Either way it was a really shaddy comment to end on of course this is vintage carl.

Calcountry
01-04-2005, 01:06 PM
ok, that might be the funniest DV quote yet ROFL

Practices well? WTF does that mean, if he can't defend worth a **** on Sundays. Geezus, I think DV has been having a horrid rash of Sr. moments......
I think Carl should fire DV.

If DV is unwilling to make changes, and shows lack of resolve in what to do to fix this shit, he should be terminated immediately.

Calcountry
01-04-2005, 01:10 PM
DV is a master in making excuses

he's justifying Sims 15 tackles by saying Hicks only had 22!!! wtf????
DV's goodwill with me, (the 9-0 start and the 3rd year thing), is almost all spent.

Coogs
01-04-2005, 01:19 PM
2002: Jammer #5 overall, no other DB's taken that year.
2003: Sammy Davis #30 overall, Florence and Kiel in 2nd round.
2004: No DB's.

That said, I put the impetus of SD's new found success not on their defense, because it didnt change, but on the offense's ability to spread it around and not just hand off to Tomlinson 60% of the time.


So you are saying Jammer, Davis, Florence, and Kiel having a bit of experience did nothing for the Chargers? It was all the offense? You mean if we draft a WR or two and spread it around a bit more, our 6,000+ yard offense will be better equiped to give our team new found success in the Win-Loss column?

Mr. Laz
01-04-2005, 01:23 PM
I think Carl should fire DV.

If DV is unwilling to make changes, and shows lack of resolve in what to do to fix this shit, he should be terminated immediately.

carl wont do that... he's a businessman


firing Vermeil at this point doesn't make any business sense

tk13
01-04-2005, 01:24 PM
CP just said it about our defense:

"Candidly: I'd like to give them one more year."

there it is folks, from CPs mouth
Of course he'd "like" to, who with an ego wouldn't? He'd probably look like less of a dumbass because this defense can't get any worse, but I think that statement is pretty blantantly saying he'd "like" to do that but he knows the offensive players and the fans aren't going to put up with that....

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 01:35 PM
So you are saying Jammer, Davis, Florence, and Kiel having a bit of experience did nothing for the Chargers? It was all the offense? You mean if we draft a WR or two and spread it around a bit more, our 6,000+ yard offense will be better equiped to give our team new found success in the Win-Loss column?

Nope, that's not what Im saying. Of the two sides of the ball in SD, the weakest, by far, was the offesnsive side of the ball. SD got more than they expected from Brees and Gates, primarily, that took the pressure off of Tomlinson as the sole offensive producer.

Brees was 'written off' prior to the start of the season, otherwise SD wouldnt have used their #1 overall on QB and Gates came out of nowhere.

That's great for them, if KC can get that kind of lucky with a couple of players on defense, they might be able to make another run.

Pants
01-04-2005, 01:46 PM
Actually I liked what CP said. He came off as understanding that he made mistakes and that he was ready to fix them even though he wouldn't like to. Pretty much he was saying "my job is to make the fans happy and I'm ready to do it."

DV is the shit, all you haters can go blow your pets.

Coogs
01-04-2005, 01:49 PM
Titus,

Granted, SD had some pretty lofty draft picks. But go here.....

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams_by_year.html

....and compare the last four years of draft picks between the Chiefs and Chargers. The Chargers have hit some pretty good picks over the last four years, and not just in the first round. They have 12 players or more (depending on the outcome of some injuries and the end result of the Rivers deal) in the top spots on thier depth chart from the 2001 draft to the present time.

Just a difference in philosophy from that point on. The Chiefs took the path of FA's and trades. We nearly got there, and I guess we still could next year with the right additions.

So while the Chargers and Chiefs rosters were nearly the same on defense from this past season, I am saying the Chargers got better because of better talent and some seasoning on defense. Their offense didn't hurt thier cause any, but you can't deny they have some serious talent on their defense, including our castoff in Edwards.

The Bad Guy
01-04-2005, 01:50 PM
Nope, that's not what Im saying. Of the two sides of the ball in SD, the weakest, by far, was the offesnsive side of the ball. SD got more than they expected from Brees and Gates, primarily, that took the pressure off of Tomlinson as the sole offensive producer.

Brees was 'written off' prior to the start of the season, otherwise SD wouldnt have used their #1 overall on QB and Gates came out of nowhere.

That's great for them, if KC can get that kind of lucky with a couple of players on defense, they might be able to make another run.

"That" kind of lucky comes around once every 5 years.

You can't rely on getting lucky when patching up this defense. You have to get bonafide players that can cover and tackle.

The Bad Guy
01-04-2005, 01:52 PM
Actually I liked what CP said. He came off as understanding that he made mistakes and that he was ready to fix them even though he wouldn't like to. Pretty much he was saying "my job is to make the fans happy and I'm ready to do it."

DV is the shit, all you haters can go blow your pets.

I'm glad you are all gitty over a coach with a 34-30 record here with just one winning season and no playoff wins.

Pants
01-04-2005, 01:54 PM
I'm glad you are all gitty over a coach with a 34-30 record here with just one winning season and no playoff wins.

Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to balance out the board.

Iowanian
01-04-2005, 02:08 PM
Someone get Iowanian a press pass for next year.....I'll ask some questions......like "Why don't you treat the defense scrubs the same critique as your Kickers?"

Why can a Corner suck for 5 years and get a contract extention, but a punter kicks 2 bad balls and he's called out on the radio, bashed and fired?

If Carl Stands Pat with this defensive Personell, I'm going to have a serious shitfit.

If Carl wants to talk about revenue and making money.........I'd like to ask him the numbers on average for hosting 2 home playoff games, and merchandise for a superbowl win.

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Titus,

Granted, SD had some pretty lofty draft picks. But go here.....

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams_by_year.html

....and compare the last four years of draft picks between the Chiefs and Chargers. The Chargers have hit some pretty good picks over the last four years, and not just in the first round. They have 12 players or more (depending on the outcome of some injuries and the end result of the Rivers deal) in the top spots on thier depth chart from the 2001 draft to the present time.

Just a difference in philosophy from that point on. The Chiefs took the path of FA's and trades. We nearly got there, and I guess we still could next year with the right additions.

So while the Chargers and Chiefs rosters were nearly the same on defense from this past season, I am saying the Chargers got better because of better talent and some seasoning on defense. Their offense didn't hurt thier cause any, but you can't deny they have some serious talent on their defense, including our castoff in Edwards.

Im not sure how you got anything from what Ive typed in this thread to generate a response like this.

Ive not had anything bad to say about SD's defense, rather, I have been pointing out their improvement on their offense was what turned their season around, primarily Gates and Brees.

You cannot tell me that Brees was in SD's plans going into the offseason last year or they wouldnt have gone QB with the #1 overall pick and invested 40M in a rookie QB when they could have re-uped on Brees. Gates, clearly, came out of nowhere.

The defense was not changed from the 2003 team in any substantial way...sure, they had another year of 'experience' but if experience was all it took, Bartee would be all world by now. The talent had to be there and it was, it was just on a 4-12 team in 03.

KCTitus
01-04-2005, 02:18 PM
"That" kind of lucky comes around once every 5 years.

You can't rely on getting lucky when patching up this defense. You have to get bonafide players that can cover and tackle.

It happened with KC's offense in Holmes. Can it happen for the defense too? I'd like to hope so, but after their attempt in 2002, Im not holding my breath.

Chiefnj
01-04-2005, 02:37 PM
So you are saying Jammer, Davis, Florence, and Kiel having a bit of experience did nothing for the Chargers? It was all the offense? You mean if we draft a WR or two and spread it around a bit more, our 6,000+ yard offense will be better equiped to give our team new found success in the Win-Loss column?

The Chargers have done an excellent job of developing their draft picks in recent years. The 4 guys in the secondary mentioned above; at LB they have gotten good play out of Leber, (I think Moreno another LB was doing well but was put on IR); on the DL Olshansky and Cessair (sp?) are the starters (I believe). Plus on offense they have rookie and 1st year guys on the OL and receivers like Osgood and Parker have contributed.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-04-2005, 02:57 PM
I want him gone.
I knew you folks would come around to my way of thinking eventually.

:D

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 04:30 PM
Of course he'd "like" to, who with an ego wouldn't? He'd probably look like less of a dumbass because this defense can't get any worse, but I think that statement is pretty blantantly saying he'd "like" to do that but he knows the offensive players and the fans aren't going to put up with that....

no, actually, listening to him he sounded like he wanted, and planned, to give them another year.....

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-04-2005, 04:32 PM
DV is shit, all you haters can go blow your pets.
Fixed it for you agian......and all my pets are female.....

Pants
01-04-2005, 04:34 PM
Fixed it for you agian......and all my pets are female.....

LOL.

Coogs
01-04-2005, 04:49 PM
Im not sure how you got anything from what Ive typed in this thread to generate a response like this.

Ive not had anything bad to say about SD's defense, rather, I have been pointing out their improvement on their offense was what turned their season around, primarily Gates and Brees.

You cannot tell me that Brees was in SD's plans going into the offseason last year or they wouldnt have gone QB with the #1 overall pick and invested 40M in a rookie QB when they could have re-uped on Brees. Gates, clearly, came out of nowhere.

The defense was not changed from the 2003 team in any substantial way...sure, they had another year of 'experience' but if experience was all it took, Bartee would be all world by now. The talent had to be there and it was, it was just on a 4-12 team in 03.

You just asked how San Diego could go from 9 games back against the "same" schedule, to 5 game in front against the "same" schedule. You covered the offense. I covered the defense.

As far as "not changed in any substantial way", they did switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, after changing DC's.

2bikemike
01-04-2005, 05:00 PM
You just asked how San Diego could go from 9 games back against the "same" schedule, to 5 game in front against the "same" schedule. You covered the offense. I covered the defense.

As far as "not changed in any substantial way", they did switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, after changing DC's.

Their defense has improved quite a bit. Maybe not to the same extent as their offense but both made the necessary improvements. While we fugging stood pat.

|Zach|
01-04-2005, 05:24 PM
What was up with the last comment by CP "everyone on this staff including the president GM is in the last year of thier contract." Was CP saying "hey me and Dick and a bunch of Lamar's money are out of here in a year so we don't care what happens to this team." Or was he saying "this is it, one last hurrah, I don't care about salary cap hell whatever it takes." Either way it was a really shaddy comment to end on of course this is vintage carl.
Seemed like he was stating a fact.

Coogs
01-04-2005, 05:34 PM
Their defense has improved quite a bit. Maybe not to the same extent as their offense but both made the necessary improvements. While we fugging stood pat.

Exactly!

Just saw CP on the local sports reports say the part where we are pretty much going to stand pat next year too!

TEX
01-04-2005, 07:00 PM
Exactly!

Just saw CP on the local sports reports say the part where we are pretty much going to stand pat next year too!

No FKN way! :cuss:

|Zach|
01-04-2005, 07:01 PM
Exactly!

Just saw CP on the local sports reports say the part where we are pretty much going to stand pat next year too!
There have been those who heard him on the radio say the oppisite...

TEX
01-04-2005, 07:02 PM
Their defense has improved quite a bit. Maybe not to the same extent as their offense but both made the necessary improvements. While we fugging stood pat.

Their past draft picks also contributed heavily. :hmmm:
Course I would say ours would too IF we were picking top 6 every year, but then I think of Ryan Sims and kind of wonder.

brent102fire
01-04-2005, 07:15 PM
"Drafting 15th, and we have 9 choices. We will get a very good football player at 15. Will he make an immediate impact? We don't know that yet."

CP is going to trade that pick for a 2nd and 3rd ;)

TEX
01-04-2005, 07:28 PM
He equates effort with "good". That's a problem.

You nailed it. :shake:

TEX
01-04-2005, 07:41 PM
Unfortunately, it's the truth. He talked about the dead money associated with cutting the guys we just signed last offseason.

Another example of how standing pat F*CKS you up for more than just 1 season. I've heard the argumant that big-time free agents rarely pan out, but neither does re-signing your own crappy players who have proven that they're total $hit for 3 or more seasons in a row. :shake:

Coogs
01-04-2005, 07:41 PM
No FKN way! :cuss:

Yep! Said when we signed all our own guys it wasn't for a 1 year deal. With all the signing bonuses, we would have dead money against the cap if we cut them all now.

milkman
01-04-2005, 08:11 PM
I don't have anything to add.

I just want to say I truly despise Carl and Dick, and think that one more year of these guys is 17 and 5 years too many, respectively.

Alphaman
01-04-2005, 08:11 PM
Calm down a bit guys. Carl said he'd like to give them 1 more year. That doesn't mean he'll be able to. He was talking about the guys he re-signed last year. He can't cut them all, but he can cut one or two.

Also, that doesn't indicate standing pat. The guys re-signed last year were Hicks, Woods, Wesley and Bartee. Bartee is probably the easiest to cut and will probably be so. So let's say they give Hicks, Woods and Wesley another year to live up to their contracts. They can still sign 2 LBs and a CB in free agency PLUS draft a DE and CB in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft and drastically improve the defense:

For example, if the defense looks like this next year, it would be a pretty good defense:

Hicks, Dalton, Sims, Allen
Fujita, Bell, Peterson
Warfield, Wesley, Woods, Lucas

Nickel CB - Carlos Rogers
Backup DE - Chris Canty

That's 3 new starters and 2 new players in the rotation replacing McCleon, Bartee, Barber, Mitchell and Holiday.

milkman
01-04-2005, 08:21 PM
Calm down a bit guys. Carl said he'd like to give them 1 more year. That doesn't mean he'll be able to. He was talking about the guys he re-signed last year. He can't cut them all, but he can cut one or two.

Also, that doesn't indicate standing pat. The guys re-signed last year were Hicks, Woods, Wesley and Bartee. Bartee is probably the easiest to cut and will probably be so. So let's say they give Hicks, Woods and Wesley another year to live up to their contracts. They can still sign 2 LBs and a CB in free agency PLUS draft a DE and CB in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft and drastically improve the defense:

For example, if the defense looks like this next year, it would be a pretty good defense:

Hicks, Dalton, Sims, Allen
Fujita, Bell, Peterson
Warfield, Wesley, Woods, Lucas

Nickel CB - Carlos Rogers
Backup DE - Chris Canty

That's 3 new starters and 2 new players in the rotation replacing McCleon, Bartee, Barber, Mitchell and Holiday.

I think, if we were talking about a GM of another team, this would make a lot of sence.

But this is Carl we're talking about.
He's talking this way, so that when he doesn't sign any impact type FAs, he can say he told us that because of the contract extensions signed before this season, that he wouldn't be able to anything in this offseason.

He's spinning pre-offseason excuses.

Logical
01-04-2005, 09:18 PM
What was up with the last comment by CP "everyone on this staff including the president GM is in the last year of thier contract." Was CP saying "hey me and Dick and a bunch of Lamar's money are out of here in a year so we don't care what happens to this team." Or was he saying "this is it, one last hurrah, I don't care about salary cap hell whatever it takes." Either way it was a really shaddy comment to end on of course this is vintage carl.

Far more likely what I have bolded rather than the latter.

theultimatekcchiefsfan
01-04-2005, 09:39 PM
Just said Green has played more games consecutively than any QB in the history of the league. Um, have you heard of a fellow by the name of Brett Favre?


I believe he meant to say the most games consecutively with the worst defense in the league on your side.............
:shake:

DaWolf
01-05-2005, 12:27 AM
What was up with the last comment by CP "everyone on this staff including the president GM is in the last year of thier contract." Was CP saying "hey me and Dick and a bunch of Lamar's money are out of here in a year so we don't care what happens to this team." Or was he saying "this is it, one last hurrah, I don't care about salary cap hell whatever it takes." Either way it was a really shaddy comment to end on of course this is vintage carl.

I took it as more of a statement saying that if they didn't get the job done in '05, then Lamar ain't gonna be extending any contracts. That may or may not be true, but that's probably how Carl intended for it to come off, as though he was saying they all better get the job done...