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HemiEd
01-04-2005, 12:21 PM
I am still new to the CP, but I have learned a lot of things in the short time I have been on it. One thing that I am starting to see is a fairly low overall opinoin of Al Saunders. I am lost here and would like to learn why.
Has this guy not brought the best offense to KC that we have ever seen? Is it not a forgone conclusion that he will replace DV?
I will read and learn, thanks. :shrug:

Hoover
01-04-2005, 12:23 PM
We all are OK with Saunders.

He sometimes calls a bad game. But over all he does a good job.

We just don't want to see him as the next HC

Count Zarth
01-04-2005, 12:24 PM
He's very good as the OC. You can't argue with the best O in the league 3 years running, IMO.

Brock
01-04-2005, 12:24 PM
See the play calling last Sunday.

JimNasium
01-04-2005, 12:25 PM
What you will find on the Planet is that there is typically a vocal minority against virtually any topic that you can bring up. Hell, I could offer free beer and porn to all comers and some would be pissed because the beer was domestic and the porn was of poor quality. This is just the general state of the Planet, get used to it.

beer bacon
01-04-2005, 12:26 PM
He is a good OC. AS set up a very good offensive system, but sometimes calls bad games/bad plays. I think he would probably is the type of the guy that would sink and not float as a HC.

Taco John
01-04-2005, 12:26 PM
From my perch, I've noticed that the times that Saunders catches the most grief are the times that Trent Green makes the worst decisions.

siberian khatru
01-04-2005, 12:27 PM
Nov. 24, 2002:

1st and 1 at SEA 1 Trent Green (KAN) pass across the middle intercepted by Orlando Huff (SEA). Returned for no gain.

:banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss:

:p

beer bacon
01-04-2005, 12:28 PM
From my perch, I've noticed that the times that Saunders catches the most grief are the times that Trent Green makes the worst decisions.

Seems to me he gets the most when he gets away from the run early in the game and we quickly go down by a few TDs. This also nvolves on our O not moving the ball through the air and or turning it over.

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 12:28 PM
What you will find on the Planet is that there is typically a vocal minority against virtually any topic that you can bring up. Hell, I could offer free beer and porn to all comers and some would be pissed because the beer was domestic and the porn was of poor quality. This is just the general state of the Planet, get used to it.

I don't like beer, and there better not be any guys in that porn.




Back on subject, I like Al Saunders. I'd give him a big hug if he was here. He's the offensive coordinator of the best offense the Chiefs have ever had, and an offense that scares the bejesus out of every team in the league. I don't see how anyone can criticize that.

Phobia
01-04-2005, 12:29 PM
Nov. 24, 2002:

1st and 1 at SEA 1 Trent Green (KAN) pass across the middle intercepted by Orlando Huff (SEA). Returned for no gain.

:banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss:

:p

Yeah. That was HORRIBLE. Worst Saunders/Green moment in history.

Count Zarth
01-04-2005, 12:29 PM
From my perch, I've noticed that the times that Saunders catches the most grief are the times that Trent Green makes the worst decisions.

You're right, and I have to calm down half this place when they bitch about it. We should never be afraid to throw the ball in ANY situation.

Phobia
01-04-2005, 12:30 PM
What you will find on the Planet is that there is typically a vocal minority against virtually any topic that you can bring up. Hell, I could offer free beer and porn to all comers and some would be pissed because the beer was domestic and the porn was of poor quality. This is just the general state of the Planet, get used to it.

Oh. I guess this is me. Sorry about that.

siberian khatru
01-04-2005, 12:30 PM
Yeah. That was HORRIBLE. Worst Saunders/Green moment in history.

Too bad Gaz isn't here to help me relive the moment. We talked about that one for days.

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 12:31 PM
He gets 'cute' with his playcalling.... that's the gripe I have against him. He seems to forget, from time to time, that we don't have Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt @ WR. This team is BUILT to run the ball.... so we pass because it'll "throw off" the opposing defense. That line of thinking is actually quite logical and valid, however he takes it to the extreme, IMO. There is no need to fling the ball around when our running game is absolutely dominating our opponent. Perhaps I'm just 'old school', but I always believe you keep doing what works until the other guy can stop you!

JimNasium
01-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Oh. I guess this is me. Sorry about that.
I'll make an exception in your case. All the Corona Phobia can drink. :p

Wile_E_Coyote
01-04-2005, 12:32 PM
want to get the Chiefs in a big minus yard situation. Just run a reverse. The next time the Chiefs get the ball Al has got to show he can do it better. The defense just waits licking their chops.

~bitching is the IN thing, don't you know

Phobia
01-04-2005, 12:33 PM
I'll make an exception in your case. All the Corona Phobia can drink. :p

:Lin:

JimNasium
01-04-2005, 12:34 PM
:Lin:
ROFL

tk13
01-04-2005, 12:36 PM
Al might be the nicest guy on the coaching staff it seems, I have nothing against him, but I think him and DV has a nice thing going and work well together because Al is very aggressive, pass-happy sometimes, as well as trying to get cute too often, and DV is more conservative and believes in pounding the run. There has been more than one instance listening to a half-time or postgame interview where DV talks about how we aren't running the ball enough... I think there's a fear there that once Al has free reign over things that while the offense will still probably be pretty good, we might get pass happy too often, much like Mike Martz has become with the Rams. Plus, some people probably aren't happy over the fact that he's apparently played a larger role than many thought in Larry Johnson and Sammie Parker not seeing the field. I'm not really complaining, we could do a lot worse, but it'll be interesting to see how he does probably starting in 2006...

htismaqe
01-04-2005, 12:48 PM
He gets 'cute' with his playcalling.... that's the gripe I have against him. He seems to forget, from time to time, that we don't have Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt @ WR. This team is BUILT to run the ball.... so we pass because it'll "throw off" the opposing defense. That line of thinking is actually quite logical and valid, however he takes it to the extreme, IMO. There is no need to fling the ball around when our running game is absolutely dominating our opponent. Perhaps I'm just 'old school', but I always believe you keep doing what works until the other guy can stop you!

:thumb:

Chiefnj
01-04-2005, 12:59 PM
My .02 on the Planets view of Saunders is that people expect perfection. The offense is excellent. The offense has been trying to carry the defense the last 4 years and in general has done a good job of doing so. When they don't do it, and fall to the level of an average team, people are disappointed.

HemiEd
01-04-2005, 01:09 PM
My .02 on the Planets view of Saunders is that people expect perfection. The offense is excellent. The offense has been trying to carry the defense the last 4 years and in general has done a good job of doing so. When they don't do it, and fall to the level of an average team, people are disappointed.

This is basically how I feel. I am very spoiled by this offense, when they looked terrible on Sunday I was Pissed! Kind of take them for granted that they will go up and down the field. I have figured that if Saunders became head coach he would make the D answerable to the O.

Count Zarth
01-04-2005, 01:11 PM
This is basically how I feel. I am very spoiled by this offense, when they looked terrible on Sunday I was Pissed! Kind of take them for granted that they will go up and down the field. I have figured that if Saunders became head coach he would make the D answerable to the O.

Saunders did a fine job. Green screwed up two touchdown drives by tossing bonehead INTs.

The offensive line and Larry Johnson didn't execute in the run-game, either. Piss-poor execution.

KCChiefsFan88
01-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Saunders is very inconsistent in his playcalling.

Some games his playcalling leaves you scratching your head trying to figure out what the hell he's doing. For example the first Raiders game, in the first half the Chiefs refused to attack a decimated Raiders secondary downfield.

Also sometimes Saunders gets too predictable especially on first downs when some games its almost 100% run run run run on first down.

Having said that he beats the hell out of having Jimmy Raye or Paul Hackett calling plays.

FringeNC
01-04-2005, 01:24 PM
This was AS best season. On 3rd down, he had receivers running appropriate routes. In the past, we took way too many downfield shots on 3rd and short.

HemiEd
01-04-2005, 01:25 PM
Having said that he beats the hell out of having Jimmy Raye or Paul Hackett calling plays.[/QUOTE]

It seems like only yesterday that you would see either Greg Hill, Harvey Williams, Barry Word or Christian Okoye (and many others) running into the back of the Offensive linemen with 100% predictability!

jcroft
01-04-2005, 01:32 PM
Saunders is a great OC. I really like the guy. I think he would actually make a good HC. However, I think a better move for the Chiefs would be to get a defensive-minded HC and team him with AS as the OC.

He does get "cute" once in a while. Still, he's very good, and I can forgive him for an occasional mistake.

Deberg_1990
01-04-2005, 02:38 PM
Saunders did a fine job. Green screwed up two touchdown drives by tossing bonehead INTs.

The offensive line and Larry Johnson didn't execute in the run-game, either. Piss-poor execution.

This team needs to run first to set up the pass. Saunders is a fine OC, but on occassion he seems to forget that. Green is a fine QB as well, but he is NOT a Montana/Favre/Elway type that can single-handidly win a game all by himself. Vermeil can try and delude as all he wants, but Green was never and will never be that type of QB.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-04-2005, 02:43 PM
I could offer free beer and porn to all comers and some would be pissed because the beer was domestic and the porn was of poor quality.
I think you should make that offer and see what happens....

HC_Chief
01-04-2005, 02:51 PM
Saunders is a great OC. I really like the guy. I think he would actually make a good HC. However, I think a better move for the Chiefs would be to get a defensive-minded HC and team him with AS as the OC.

I doubt that is feasible, but who knows; I never thought Gunther would come back as DC either? :D

JimNasium
01-04-2005, 02:54 PM
I think you should make that offer and see what happens....Coincidentally Iíve got 5 Miller High Lifeís and a DVD entitled College Girls #27. Will you pay for shipping?

unlurking
01-04-2005, 02:54 PM
This was AS best season. On 3rd down, he had receivers running appropriate routes. In the past, we took way too many downfield shots on 3rd and short.
Or what used to piss me off, quick outs to a WR on the LoS on 3rd and long. Nothing is more frustrating than watching the Chiefs expecting a WR get 7 - 10 yac.