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Sydd
01-04-2005, 09:07 PM
but the Denver fans said it was 'legal'.

DENVER (AP) -- Broncos safety John Lynch was fined $75,000 by the NFL on Tuesday for his helmet-to-helmet hit on Colts fullback Dallas Clark last weekend.

A league spokesman said Lynch, a 12-year veteran with a reputation as a hard hitter, received the harsh penalty because this was his fourth fine for unnecessary roughness since 2001. The first three all cost him $7,500.

The hit came in the first quarter Sunday.

Clark made a catch and Lynch leveled him just as he turned around. A flag went flying, the ball came loose, it was scooped up by Colts receiver Reggie Wayne, but he then fumbled and Broncos cornerback Kelly Herndon picked it up and ran for a touchdown. Because the hit didn't result in a tackle, officials picked up the flag.

On review, however, officials ruled the pass was incomplete and reinstated the personal foul.

The Broncos were off Tuesday and Lynch was unavailable for comment. After the game, though, the safety said he had no regrets about the hit and insisted it would send a message for the rematch between the teams this Sunday in the first round of the playoffs.

``They're great players,'' Lynch said. ``You've got to find something to slow them down. The only way I think people have found is to be physical with them.''

The hit knocked Clark out of the game with a concussion. He looked dazed on the sideline and had some blood inside his mouth. Approached by a teammate, he could be seen mouthing the words ``I fumbled?'' when told of the result of the play.

Lynch talked at length about the hit Sunday, and even joked a little, relaying a conversation he had with officials: ``I told the ref, `You're killing me. I've got three kids to send to school,''' Lynch said.

The NFL spokesman said the fine had nothing to do with Lynch's comments, only his actions on the field.

This was the second $75,000 fine the NFL has levied in two weeks. The league fined Donovin Darius of the Jaguars for a clothesline hit that temporarily paralyzed Packers receiver Robert Ferguson.

Lynch was the first player to be fined this season -- a $7,500 penalty for a hard hit just below Chiefs receiver Dante Hall's chin in the season opener. Upon receiving that fine, Lynch criticized the league.

``If you make the highlights these days, you're going to get fined,'' he said. ``That's pretty much what it comes down to. It's kind of hypocritical. They put it on their `Greatest Hits,' but they'll fine you for it, too.''

This week, knowing a fine was probably coming, Lynch didn't seem as concerned.

``I think it sparked the team,'' he said. ``Regardless of what happens, people will remember it.''


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-broncos-lynchfined&prov=ap&type=lgns

2bikemike
01-04-2005, 09:12 PM
In other words he will continue to hit players however he damn well feels like hitting them.

Skip Towne
01-04-2005, 09:13 PM
The Donkeys keep pulling this shit. We need to have the Donkeys fined $500,000 every time one of their players is fined. Those no good bastards should be kicked out of the league.

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 09:13 PM
What a scag. He should be suspended for this next game, too.


And they make it sound like Clark was incoherent. When he said, "I fumbled?" he was just on the sidelines marveling at the initial call. He just assumed (correctly) that he had caught the ball and was then tackled via a Bronco-typical cheap shot.

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 09:17 PM
how does one get fined for a legal hit?

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 09:17 PM
by "legal" I mean: deliberatly placing the crown of your helmet on the opponets chin so as to injure them

Cochise
01-04-2005, 09:18 PM
I wonder how he'll feel about the kids someone else has to send to school after he ends their career ?

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 09:20 PM
I'm honestly a bit surprised that the rest of the league hasn't banded together and enforced some vigilante justice on the Broncos. It seems like if each team would take one play during a game to intentionally injure hoodlums like Lynch and Lepsis and Neil and Nalen and Foster and Kennedy and the others, then the Broncos would eventually have to stop this kind of stuff.

IA_Chiefs_fan
01-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Since when is Dallas Clark a Full Back???

Demonpenz
01-04-2005, 09:22 PM
lynch is still a hall of famer

nascher
01-04-2005, 09:24 PM
lol hall of shame yes but no HOF

Sydd
01-04-2005, 09:32 PM
I'm honestly a bit surprised that the rest of the league hasn't banded together and enforced some vigilante justice on the Broncos. It seems like if each team would take one play during a game to intentionally injure hoodlums like Lynch and Lepsis and Neil and Nalen and Foster and Kennedy and the others, then the Broncos would eventually have to stop this kind of stuff.


No one wants to stoop to that level. Most other players in the league have at least one ounce of class/sportsmanship, call it what you will, in them.

easymobee
01-04-2005, 09:33 PM
You guys could see the Broncos fans perspective on this had William Bartee not decided to be a kinder and gentler soul after his first season in the league.


For all the negativity that Chief fans show towards both Woods-Bartee ... and the Colts.

Im suprised that Lynch is so looked down upon for a KO hit.

Somehow, i don't think that it would be too much of an issue if this clip was Bartee vs Clark ... or even better .. Bartee vs any Denver player.

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 09:42 PM
No one wants to stoop to that level. Most other players in the league have at least one ounce of class/sportsmanship, call it what you will, in them.

Yeah, you're right. If they didn't, the Broncos would sign them.

easymobee
01-04-2005, 09:44 PM
Football is a hitting sport.

On the other end of the spectrum .... you got guys doing the "Worm" in the endzone.

Pants
01-04-2005, 09:46 PM
Football is a hitting sport.

On the other end of the spectrum .... you got guys doing the "Worm" in the endzone.

Are you retarded?

the Talking Can
01-04-2005, 09:46 PM
You guys could see the Broncos fans perspective on this had William Bartee not decided to be a kinder and gentler soul after his first season in the league.


For all the negativity that Chief fans show towards both Woods-Bartee ... and the Colts.

Im suprised that Lynch is so looked down upon for a KO hit.

Somehow, i don't think that it would be too much of an issue if this clip was Bartee vs Clark ... or even better .. Bartee vs any Denver player.

maybe if you cry a little more we'll all change our minds.....or not

what's not clear about a guy intentionally sticking the crown of his helmet on another players chin? game after game....

Sydd
01-04-2005, 09:47 PM
Football is a hitting sport.

On the other end of the spectrum .... you got guys doing the "Worm" in the endzone.

Then a block in the back is just annother hit according to your logic.

jjjayb
01-04-2005, 10:11 PM
Then a block in the back is just annother hit according to your logic.

There is no logic where he's concerned. All that Denver thin air and Tofu have ruined his brain.

Rain Man
01-04-2005, 10:13 PM
When I was watching the Chiefs game at the ESPNZone, it was full of Denver Bozos fans watching the Colts game. (Of course, they didn't show up all season until the final game.) I don't think any of them understood that it was a personal foul when it happened. They were just clueless.

headsnap
01-04-2005, 10:17 PM
You guys could see the Broncos fans perspective on this had William Bartee not decided to be a kinder and gentler soul after his first season in the league.


For all the negativity that Chief fans show towards both Woods-Bartee ... and the Colts.

Im suprised that Lynch is so looked down upon for a KO hit.

Somehow, i don't think that it would be too much of an issue if this clip was Bartee vs Clark ... or even better .. Bartee vs any Denver player.
thanks for attaching that clip.

that shows beyond any doubt that Lynch was looking at what he was trying to hit...



Dallas Clarks COCK!!!!!!!!:shake:

2bikemike
01-04-2005, 10:17 PM
You guys could see the Broncos fans perspective on this had William Bartee not decided to be a kinder and gentler soul after his first season in the league.


For all the negativity that Chief fans show towards both Woods-Bartee ... and the Colts.

Im suprised that Lynch is so looked down upon for a KO hit.

Somehow, i don't think that it would be too much of an issue if this clip was Bartee vs Clark ... or even better .. Bartee vs any Denver player.

I would probably be shocked as hell if Bartee hit anybody and knocked the ball loose.

TEX
01-04-2005, 10:32 PM
Par for the course for a dirty player on the dirtiest team in pro football. :shake: I hope those CHEATING DIRTY PHUCKS get their A$$E$ handed to them worse than when the Chiefs did it a few weeks ago. :thumb:

TEX
01-04-2005, 10:36 PM
I'm honestly a bit surprised that the rest of the league hasn't banded together and enforced some vigilante justice on the Broncos. It seems like if each team would take one play during a game to intentionally injure hoodlums like Lynch and Lepsis and Neil and Nalen and Foster and Kennedy and the others, then the Broncos would eventually have to stop this kind of stuff.

Amen! :clap:

Iowanian
01-05-2005, 12:24 AM
Football is a hitting sport.

On the other end of the spectrum .... you got guys doing the "Worm" in the endzone.

I guess we'd see what you thought If Bob Sanders took a running head to head on Plummer's chin. See what Donk fans had to say with one of THIER DTs laying on the ground with a broken leg because Saturday Dives on it from behind away from the play, or a safety knocks Plumer out........or cheap shots Rod Smith.

You'd all start Menstruating. Probably will anyway when Indy beats the Donks by 30.

Valiant
01-05-2005, 12:29 AM
You guys could see the Broncos fans perspective on this had William Bartee not decided to be a kinder and gentler soul after his first season in the league.


For all the negativity that Chief fans show towards both Woods-Bartee ... and the Colts.

Im suprised that Lynch is so looked down upon for a KO hit.

Somehow, i don't think that it would be too much of an issue if this clip was Bartee vs Clark ... or even better .. Bartee vs any Denver player.


No we would love it... but at least we would admit it was a illegal hit when he used the crown of his head to tackle with... Thats where we differ, we use logic and understanding... You guys homer it up no matter what...

Valiant
01-05-2005, 12:32 AM
lordy after watching the video more.. Are you all complete ****ing tards in even believing that was not a cheap shot??? Seems to me he could have just hit him in the chest... But no, he goes for the head... Just think next year the fines will start out that high...

Taco John
01-05-2005, 12:36 AM
In other words he will continue to hit players however he damn well feels like hitting them.



Hopefully.

Taco John
01-05-2005, 12:39 AM
Seriously... Are you guys really so delusional that you don't recognize that this is a problem for all of the best safeties all around the league? This isn't anything new to this season. Safeties have been targeted ever since the league started moving toward a more passing oriented game.

Valiant
01-05-2005, 12:39 AM
Then a block in the back is just annother hit according to your logic.


Good point...

alanm
01-05-2005, 12:42 AM
You'd all start Menstruating. Probably will anyway when Indy beats the Donks by 30. ROFL:LOL:ROFL You crack me up sometimes. ROFL

Taco John
01-05-2005, 12:44 AM
Then a block in the back is just annother hit according to your logic.


Are you admitting something here?

Valiant
01-05-2005, 01:03 AM
That your logic is flawed and homerish at best...

Pants
01-05-2005, 01:13 AM
TJ, how can you argue it's OK for players to hit like that? Is it just innocent homerism or are you just stupid? I'd prefer to think it's the former since I haven't really seen any blatant stupidity out of you yet.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:14 AM
Chief fans love to bash both Champ and Lynch.

And then they have to come home to Woods and Warfield.

Its Poetic Justice.

Champ + Lynch = 11 Pro Bowls

Warfield + Woods = 1 Pro Bowl

2bikemike
01-05-2005, 01:15 AM
TJ, how can you argue it's OK for players to hit like that? Is it just innocent homerism or are you just stupid? I'd prefer to think it's the former since I haven't really seen any blatant stupidity out of you yet.

Really?

Pants
01-05-2005, 01:16 AM
Really?

I'm new here.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:17 AM
TJ, how can you argue it's OK for players to hit like that?

John Lynch is not Chuck Cecil.

Anyone not residing in KC or INDY this week would openly testify to that.

If Dallas Clark retires this week to take up Table Tennis than i'll be willing to believe that he thinks Lynch was purposefully trying to paralyze him.

If Dallas Clark suits up for the game on Sunday, I'll just assume that he realizes football is a physical game.

A Collision sport.


Its been WAY too long since you guys have had a hard hitting Defense.

I think you've forgotten what thats all about.

2bikemike
01-05-2005, 01:19 AM
I'm new here.

You have been here for almost 4 months! Lets assume you and Taco have made the same number of posts in that time. Surely you have witnessed his dumbassery!

Pants
01-05-2005, 01:21 AM
John Lynch is not Chuck Cecil.

Anyone not residing in KC or INDY this week would openly testify to that.

If Dallas Clark retires this week to take up Table Tennis than i'll be willing to believe that he thinks Lynch was purposefully trying to paralyze him.

If Dallas Clark suits up for the game on Sunday, I'll just assume that he realizes football is a physical game.

A Collision sport.

Its been WAY too long since you guys have had a hard hitting Defense.

I think you've forgotten what thats all about.

I'm not saying Lynch tried to hurt him. Lynch tackled him with a cheap hit, not considering the safety of his fellow player. It was careless and wrong and potentially deadly. Hitting like that isn't and shouldn't be allowed. If this was the 1st time, it'd be cool with that, because shit happens, but Lynch is just a cheap f*cker and does such things on a consistant basis.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:24 AM
All things aside ....

I'll bet Gunther liked that hit.

Pants
01-05-2005, 01:24 AM
All things aside ....

I'll bet Gunther liked that hit.

Yeah, but Gun is crazy.

stevieray
01-05-2005, 01:28 AM
John Lynch is not Chuck Cecil.

Anyone not residing in KC or INDY this week would openly testify to that.

If Dallas Clark retires this week to take up Table Tennis than i'll be willing to believe that he thinks Lynch was purposefully trying to paralyze him.

If Dallas Clark suits up for the game on Sunday, I'll just assume that he realizes football is a physical game.

A Collision sport.


Its been WAY too long since you guys have had a hard hitting Defense.

I think you've forgotten what thats all about.

BS. It's a sucker punch hit by a descending player, for a team that year in and year out has to employ illegal actions to compete.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:29 AM
Yeah, but Gun is crazy.

Obviously Colts fans were even more upset about it.

As the Lynch threads grew, a bunch of posters came in and reminded everyone that Colts fans were salivating at the thought of signing Lynch this offseason just for that kind of play.

And pointed out that it would be nice if Doss or Sanders would put some KO shots out there like that more often.

Colts fans as a majority are still calling for Lynch's head, but only at about a 65% to 35% ratio.

I'm glad it was Clark though .... I think it would have been much worse (for the Colts) if it were Stokely, Harrison, or Wayne.

Clark is probably a bigger guy than Lynch.

Also, im glad it wasn't Kenoy who blew up Clark too .... When he got Chambers + the suspension he turned gun shy for about a full year.

I think Lynch takes the same shot this weekend without a 2nd thought.

PS: It would have been a 7,500 dollar fine if not for Lynch already having 3 of those over the last 2 years.

It seems as if some people are thinking that the league decided that the hit itself was worth 75k.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:30 AM
BS. It's a sucker punch hit by a descending player, for a team that year in and year out has to employ illegal actions to compete.

Nice guys finish last. - Edit - Or 2nd from Last.


If Atwater and Dennis Smith played within the current rules geared towards the Offense and pass game ... they probably would have ended up working for free.

stevieray
01-05-2005, 01:33 AM
Nice guys finish last.

75,000.00 suckerpunch.

Valiant
01-05-2005, 01:35 AM
Are you a twit??? No one is doubting that is was a hard ass hit..

It is the fact that he led with his helmet and used his helmet to make the hit... Do you have a problem understanding that it is illegal and can injury somebody greatly??? This is why they made it illegal.. All you are doing is looking like a ass...

Lynch is a great hitter, but he has twice this season used his helmet when he did not have to.. You come on here and try to defend it when all the evidence shows that he speared with his helmet...

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:36 AM
75,000.00 suckerpunch.

I'm an unapologetic fan.

Lynch is an unapologetic player.

Also it was gonna be a 7,500$ fine if not for priors.

The League didn't think it was actually a hit worth 75K.

easymobee
01-05-2005, 01:38 AM
You come on here and try to defend it when all the evidence shows that he speared with his helmet...

I'm not defending nothing. Although i do notice that many posters here are attempting to prosecute him.

Defending Lynch at the Planet is about as possible as a Public Defender taking on Osama Bin Laden.

I'm unapologetic ... thats all.

I have yet to argue the legality of the hit.

My points are:

A. Football is a physical sport and not all hard hits are done with pre-meditated intent to maim or injure ( ie: paralyzation etc ...)

B. If (rookie version) Bartee blew Ashlie Lelie up like that it would be a non-issue here.

Den9899
01-05-2005, 01:45 AM
My God, the fans on this board are actually softer than the team the root for.

Rausch
01-05-2005, 01:51 AM
My God, the fans on this board are actually softer than the team the root for.

That smack is almost as weak as Plummer at the alter, or Plummer in crunch time, or in the playoffs, or when he drops back to pass, or a democrat presidential nominee...

Valiant
01-05-2005, 02:05 AM
I'm not defending nothing. Although i do notice that many posters here are attempting to prosecute him.

Defending Lynch at the Planet is about as possible as a Public Defender taking on Osama Bin Laden.

I'm unapologetic ... thats all.

I have yet to argue the legality of the hit.

My points are:

A. Football is a physical sport and not all hard hits are done with pre-meditated intent to maim or injure ( ie: paralyzation etc ...)

B. If (rookie version) Bartee blew Ashlie Lelie up like that it would be a non-issue here.


A: It is physical and he could have knocked the shit out of him without using his helmet.. You think it is a accident, there is a reason he does it so much.. The helmet is like punching somebody with a cast on... He is using his helmet to hit harder, in doing so the chance of injury goes up..

B: We would cheer the hard hit... but we would admit it was cheap.. There would be a few naysayers, but the majority of this board would admit it was a cheap and illegal hit.. hard, but illegal...

I have yet to see a donk fan admit it was a cheap hit... His fines will start out next year at 75k if he does it agian...

headsnap
01-05-2005, 05:54 AM
because the Broncos have been cheating for so long, their fans believe it's the norm...

Bob Dole
01-05-2005, 07:27 AM
I'm an unapologetic fan.

Lynch is an unapologetic player.

Also it was gonna be a 7,500$ fine if not for priors.

The League didn't think it was actually a hit worth 75K.

And isn't that kind of the point?

Lynch was fined 10x because he is a habitual offender. There is a pattern and history of illegal hits that the NFL is trying to break. The message is clear to anyone with a functional brain stem: Not only should Lynch be apologetic for breaking the rules, Lynch should stop breaking the rules.

Get it?

Dipshit.

KCTitus
01-05-2005, 07:28 AM
PS: It would have been a 7,500 dollar fine if not for Lynch already having 3 of those over the last 2 years.

It seems as if some people are thinking that the league decided that the hit itself was worth 75k.

This is one of the most retarded things Ive ever read...

Lynch has shown a pattern and is now getting hit with a bigger fine. The league did decide on the higher penalty because of his past behavior.

There's really simple solution to this 'problem' stop hitting people in the helmet with his helmet and he wont get fined. What is it with players once they get on the Broncos they suddenly start leading with their helmets?

Spott
01-05-2005, 08:46 AM
B. If (rookie version) Bartee blew Ashlie Lelie up like that it would be a non-issue here.

We all know that would never happen because Bartee is never within 5 yards of the guy with the ball.

Tuckdaddy
01-05-2005, 09:58 AM
That hit was BS! He led with his helmut and nothing else. Dirty Donkey POS!

Rain Man
01-05-2005, 10:35 AM
Is there any mystery any more about why Lynch had the neck injury? That's what happens when you lead with your head, and it's been common knowledge for about 40 years.

Chief Henry
01-05-2005, 10:43 AM
Lynch should have had a one game suspension for that hit too. He could have avoided that blatant
cheep shot easily but he CHOSE to lead with his helmet at (IOWA alum) Dallas Clark.

Denver is cheep.

KC Kings
01-05-2005, 10:56 AM
And isn't that kind of the point?

Lynch was fined 10x because he is a habitual offender. There is a pattern and history of illegal hits that the NFL is trying to break. The message is clear to anyone with a functional brain stem: Not only should Lynch be apologetic for breaking the rules, Lynch should stop breaking the rules.

Get it?

Dipshit.

Screw that. They ought to give em a bonus for making those kinds of hit. If you want to sacrafice your neck and your own personal health to make a hit that makes millions of tv viewers cringe just watching it, I am all for it. Football is following the trend of the rest of America, and is getting sissified. Don't ever touch the QB, don't touch the WR's, don't fall into the kickers, and lets watch 40 touchdowns every game. The NFL needs to incourage harder hitting. So your player suffers a career ending injury? To bad, that's why my tickets are paying for you to make more in a year then I will make in a life time.

What got you fired up more in last Sundays game, Trent Green picking himself up off the ground checking his mouth for blood after that hit to the chin, or watch TG feed TG yet another TD pass?

stevieray
01-05-2005, 12:43 PM
Screw that. They ought to give em a bonus for making those kinds of hit. If you want to sacrafice your neck and your own personal health to make a hit that makes millions of tv viewers cringe just watching it, I am all for it. Football is following the trend of the rest of America, and is getting sissified. Don't ever touch the QB, don't touch the WR's, don't fall into the kickers, and lets watch 40 touchdowns every game. The NFL needs to incourage harder hitting. So your player suffers a career ending injury? To bad, that's why my tickets are paying for you to make more in a year then I will make in a life time.

What got you fired up more in last Sundays game, Trent Green picking himself up off the ground checking his mouth for blood after that hit to the chin, or watch TG feed TG yet another TD pass?

Sounds like violence and the possibilty of serious injury are the main reasons you watch football.