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Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 07:27 AM
"I'm not going to stand over the middle and let somebody take my head off," Brandon Stokley said. "After I catch the ball, I'm going to get what I can and I'm going to get down. You have to be smart out there. You get what you can, you get down."

Here's the whole story about Lynch's fine...
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2637425,00.html

I never got to see the hit in live action. I missed the whole damn 1st quarter here in Dallas, thanks to the Jets/Rams game going to overtime. And, I haven't seen it on ESPN or other. So, I really can't speak to it.

Thought I would just post this to stir up the discussion again.

Braincase
01-06-2005, 07:31 AM
With a head hunter out there like John Cecil, er, Chuck Lynch, er, "Fineboy", I'd get my butt to the turf too. Only problem is being down doesn't seem to keep Lynch from playing dirty, ala Larry Johson.

You guys picked up a real winner with that guy.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 07:36 AM
Was there not a desire by many KC fans to sign Lynch this past offseason? I believe there were quite a few.

I don't think Lynch is a dirty player, but he is incredibly over agressive at times. I do think he is one of the "good people" in the sport. He walks a fine line and crosses it at times.

I would say Romo was a dirty player... but, not Lynch.

stevieray
01-06-2005, 07:41 AM
SSDD.

Invesco players have to cheat to compete.

InChiefsHell
01-06-2005, 07:42 AM
I never saw Lynch play till this season. I knew he had a rep as a hard hitting guy, but he has taken alot of helmets off this season. This being the first season I have seen him play, I must say he is a bit over the top, and has the potential to do real damage to somebody. Having said that, it would not be the worst thing in the world to have a John Lynch on our defense.

And you are correct. IMO, unless he starts spitting on people he is not like that dirty bastard Roidanowski. I hated that prick.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 07:45 AM
SSDD.

Invesco players have to cheat to compete.

Nah. He was just sending a message for this week...

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 07:47 AM
I never saw Lynch play till this season. I knew he had a rep as a hard hitting guy, but he has taken alot of helmets off this season. This being the first season I have seen him play, I must say he is a bit over the top, and has the potential to do real damage to somebody. Having said that, it would not be the worst thing in the world to have a John Lynch on our defense.

And you are correct. IMO, unless he starts spitting on people he is not like that dirty bastard Roidanowski. I hated that prick.

That's my point... sure he crosses the line at times, but I think each of us wants a player on defense that is not afraid to play "smash mouth" football and knock someone on their ass.

Hell, many on this site crave a player like that. I don't like dirty play, but think there are times that warrant sending a message. If he did "helmet to helmet", then he needs to watch that as it is dangerous. There are ways to blow up an opposing player without damaging him permanately.

stevieray
01-06-2005, 07:48 AM
Nah. He was just sending a message for this week...

He's a repeat offender. It's like making excuses for multiple DUI's.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 07:49 AM
He's a repeat offender. It's like making excuses for multiple DUI's.

Wow ... DUI... that's a reach, but I see where you're going. I agree.

KCTitus
01-06-2005, 07:49 AM
If he did "helmet to helmet", then he needs to watch that as it is dangerous. There are ways to blow up an opposing player without damaging him permanately.

He did and you're excusing it as 'sending' a message...

Remember that time, way back when, when the bronco fans got all sandy about Marty's dirty play with their receivers and how that was so bad? Little did I know that all I had to say was, "He's just sending a message" and everything would be ok.

InChiefsHell
01-06-2005, 07:51 AM
Yeah, plus he makes opponents team's fans really root against him, which makes for great BB fodder...

I just hope he doesn't do some permanent damage in his overzealousness to "send a message". I didn't see the hit from last week either, but he pasted enough Chiefs this season for me to imagine what it was.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-06-2005, 08:02 AM
I do think he is one of the "good people" in the sport. He walks a fine line and crosses it at times.


So which is it?

Just because he looks like a choir boy and talks all nice in interviews doesn't make him a good guy. His actions on the field speak for themselves. He's a cheap shot artist and that's all. He'll look good in silver and black finishing out his career with a wimper once his donkey contract is up.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 08:06 AM
He did and you're excusing it as 'sending' a message...

Remember that time, way back when, when the bronco fans got all sandy about Marty's dirty play with their receivers and how that was so bad? Little did I know that all I had to say was, "He's just sending a message" and everything would be ok.

Now you know.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 08:07 AM
So which is it?

Just because he looks like a choir boy and talks all nice in interviews doesn't make him a good guy. His actions on the field speak for themselves. He's a cheap shot artist and that's all. He'll look good in silver and black finishing out his career with a wimper once his donkey contract is up.

KC has the choir boys... I guess.

beer bacon
01-06-2005, 08:08 AM
Yeah, plus he makes opponents team's fans really root against him, which makes for great BB fodder...

I just hope he doesn't do some permanent damage in his overzealousness to "send a message". I didn't see the hit from last week either, but he pasted enough Chiefs this season for me to imagine what it was.

A clip of the hit was posted in a thread on OM and it is pretty hard to miss that he led with the top of his helmet and hit Clark right on the chin. It was a great hit. It would have been even better if he would have lit him up without resorting to something like that.

beer bacon
01-06-2005, 08:08 AM
KC has the choir boys... I guess.

We have a few. DV just acts like the rest are.

the Talking Can
01-06-2005, 08:09 AM
damn, you broncos sure are defensive about a "legal" hit....

Baby Lee
01-06-2005, 08:10 AM
KC has the choir boys... I guess.
Woudn't that designation require masculine genetalia?

the Talking Can
01-06-2005, 08:11 AM
Foster broke that guys ank...oops, I mean, he "sent him a message"...a meassage that said "I'm breaking your ankle."

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-06-2005, 08:11 AM
KC has the choir boys... I guess.
no...defensively speaking....just the losers.

King_Chief_Fan
01-06-2005, 08:13 AM
"I'm not going to stand over the middle and let somebody take my head off," Brandon Stokley said. "After I catch the ball, I'm going to get what I can and I'm going to get down. You have to be smart out there. You get what you can, you get down."

Here's the whole story about Lynch's fine...
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2637425,00.html

I never got to see the hit in live action. I missed the whole damn 1st quarter here in Dallas, thanks to the Jets/Rams game going to overtime. And, I haven't seen it on ESPN or other. So, I really can't speak to it.

Thought I would just post this to stir up the discussion again.

Getting down is a smart move when playing Denver..........you get to jump up untouched and run for a TD

Chiefnj
01-06-2005, 08:33 AM
I've only seen the hit on the net where the clarity wasn't that great.

Was it really helmet-to-helmet? It looked to me like he speared him in his upper chest and then momentum carried upward into the TE's face/head area. I thought it was spearing as opposed to a helmet-to-helmet, but I didn't see the clearest footage of the hit.

In any event, if it causes the Colts receivers any pause this weekend, it did the job.

morphius
01-06-2005, 08:36 AM
MHM - I don't remember too many people here wanting to sign Lynch in the offseason, most people didn't know that Woods and Wesley would forget how to play football after being injured most of preseason. But you are correct, we don't want a cheap shot artist on the team, but I had no problem when our safties would lay the wood on someone, even if they did get a fine for it.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-06-2005, 08:38 AM
Getting down is a smart move when playing Denver..........you get to jump up untouched and run for a TD
ROFL

Cochise
01-06-2005, 08:58 AM
It's sad that players like Stokley can't play the game the way it's supposed to be played because someone like Lynch can't wait to put them in a wheelchair.

InChiefsHell
01-06-2005, 09:12 AM
Getting down is a smart move when playing Denver..........you get to jump up untouched and run for a TD
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL REP!!

jjjayb
01-06-2005, 09:14 AM
That $75,000 fine is going to give John Lynch something to think about before he goes to hit the next receiver. Can you say "backfired"?

Valiant
01-06-2005, 09:16 AM
That's my point... sure he crosses the line at times, but I think each of us wants a player on defense that is not afraid to play "smash mouth" football and knock someone on their ass.

Hell, many on this site crave a player like that. I don't like dirty play, but think there are times that warrant sending a message. If he did "helmet to helmet", then he needs to watch that as it is dangerous. There are ways to blow up an opposing player without damaging him permanately.



Thats the problem, he has done this twice now on primetime... He is using his helmet... Hell of a hitter but still a cheater...

Cochise
01-06-2005, 09:37 AM
That $75,000 fine is going to give John Lynch something to think about before he goes to hit the next receiver. Can you say "backfired"?

The guy had a $3 million base salary last year.

I'm sure he's really sweating it :rolleyes:

Chiefnj
01-06-2005, 09:40 AM
The guy had a $3 million base salary last year.

I'm sure he's really sweating it :rolleyes:


There was probably an envelope full of cash sitting in his locker yesterday morning as well.

InChiefsHell
01-06-2005, 09:46 AM
The guy had a $3 million base salary last year.

I'm sure he's really sweating it :rolleyes:

Exactly. These paltry fines that these guys get are laughable. Of course, there are not nearly enough player ejections IMO either. I think if you doc his ass 1 game's salary, or if there were more player ejections for blatant shit like that, it would come under control. Don't get me wrong, I like a good hit as much as the next guy, but I want it clean.

Cochise
01-06-2005, 09:52 AM
Exactly. These paltry fines that these guys get are laughable.

Right. This is a guy who's been playing for 10 years, and probably made $50 million or more in bonuses and everything. And he's been fined $150,000 or so total? That's like you or I spending a hundred bucks.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 10:36 AM
Like I said... I haven't seen the hit. If it was illegal, as I have always said - fine him.

I think it was ChiefNJ or somebody that brought up that it looked like he hit him high in the chest and the hit to the chin was a side result. If that's true, then I can't put much blame on Lynch.

I don't care for cheating... I don't mind players dancing on that line though. If that's considered condoning cheating, then so be it.

He's been told that if he does it again, he could be ejected this week. So, Lynch also received a message.

Point is, you want your defenders protecting their territory and the middle of the field. Safeties are supposed to 'legally' knock the bejeezus out of players. Everyone loves that.

If Lynch drove at him and the crown of his helmet nailed the guy square in the facemask or anywhere directly on the helmet, then yeah - that's a fine.

If Lynch drove at him and the crown of his helmet hit the guy in the helmet as a result of being drilled in the chest and coming down on the helmet, then I don't see an issue with that. Maybe that's just me.

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Lynch hasn't always speared... he used to hit with his head up, driving his shoulderpads into the ball carrier. IMO he switched to spearing after that neck injury.

It pisses me off - there is no reason to spear. Proper technique dictates a spear can lead to a missed tackle because you take your eyes off the ballcarrier.

Bob Dole
01-06-2005, 10:42 AM
Why is it that Donkey fans can't seem to understand the rule?

It is not legal to hit anyone with the crown of the helmet, <b>anywhere</b>. It doesn't make any ****ing difference whether the hit is to the head or not.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 10:43 AM
Lynch hasn't always speared... he used to hit with his head up, driving his shoulderpads into the ball carrier. IMO he switched to spearing after that neck injury.

It pisses me off - there is no reason to spear. Proper technique dictates otherwise... a spear can lead to a missed tackle because you take your eyes off the ballcarrier.

I agree... I think part of it is his reputation has always been a big hitter, one that gives 100% and is feared by the offense. He has probably had to adapt as you've mentioned (whether it is a necessity or just something in his own mind) to continue his rep as a hard hitter.

He should look up more... but, from what I've seen, he's not hitting illegally in every game. Most times he is doing it right.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 10:44 AM
Why is it that Donkey fans can't seem to understand the rule?

It is not legal to hit anyone with the crown of the helmet, <b>anywhere</b>. It doesn't make any ****ing difference whether the hit is to the head or not.

I understand the rule.... I just don't believe he is staring at the ground every time he nails a guy. I believe he's looking at the jersey number. If he's doing that, then I don't see it as spearing.

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 10:49 AM
If your facemask is down, you're spearing... period.

Chiefnj
01-06-2005, 10:51 AM
If Lynch drove at him and the crown of his helmet hit the guy in the helmet as a result of being drilled in the chest and coming down on the helmet, then I don't see an issue with that. Maybe that's just me.

I think it's just you. You're not supposed to hit with the crown, period. His head was definately down. He could have looked up and/or raised a shoulder.

It was cheap, but if it changes the Colts receivers and gives them alligator arms once or twice during the game, it will probably have been worth it.

Someone had a clip of the hit either in their signature or they posted it on a different thread. Anyone remeber?

Sydd
01-06-2005, 10:58 AM
Not the best clip, but here you go.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=36065&stc=1

Look at the way his head pops back.

Taco John
01-06-2005, 11:00 AM
KC has the choir boys... I guess.



Choir boys hit harder than KC defenders...

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 11:01 AM
Not the best clip, but here you go.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=36065&stc=1

Look at the way his head pops back.

Spearing.

WilliamTheIrish
01-06-2005, 11:02 AM
I want you to remember this "Message received" line when Lynch has his head down on the sidelines after giving up 420 yards passing in the next game.

Taco John
01-06-2005, 11:02 AM
It's sad that players like Stokley can't play the game the way it's supposed to be played because someone like Lynch can't wait to put them in a wheelchair.



ROFL

Is this some sort of joke? I don't know what football you ever played, but in all the football I've played, WRs aren't supposed to own the middle.

Brock
01-06-2005, 11:03 AM
ROFL

Is this some sort of joke? I don't know what football you ever played, but in all the football I've played, WRs aren't supposed to own the middle.

I doubt you ever played any sport at all, fatboy.

Brock
01-06-2005, 11:04 AM
I want you to remember this "Message received" line when Lynch has his head down on the sidelines after giving up 420 yards passing in the next game.

It'll be at least 500.

Taco John
01-06-2005, 11:05 AM
I don't care for cheating... I don't mind players dancing on that line though. If that's considered condoning cheating, then so be it.




That's pretty much the way I feel...

Taco John
01-06-2005, 11:06 AM
Lynch hasn't always speared... he used to hit with his head up, driving his shoulderpads into the ball carrier. IMO he switched to spearing after that neck injury.

It pisses me off - there is no reason to spear. Proper technique dictates a spear can lead to a missed tackle because you take your eyes off the ballcarrier.



Well, Lynch drove his facemask into the guy's shoulderpads, so I don't think his eyes were ever off the ball carrier.

Taco John
01-06-2005, 11:08 AM
Not the best clip, but here you go.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=36065&stc=1

Look at the way his head pops back.



That's a bad angle... Herndon gets in the way...

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 11:08 AM
Well, Lynch drove his facemask into the guy's shoulderpads, so I don't think his eyes were ever off the ball carrier.

No, he drove the crown of his helmet into the receiver. Big difference.

Sydd
01-06-2005, 11:09 AM
Well, Lynch drove his facemask into the guy's shoulderpads, so I don't think his eyes were ever off the ball carrier.


Yes.. he could definately see the guys feet when he hit him.

Now go to Yellowpages.com and look up Optometrist.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 11:23 AM
Well, it wasn't real clear... but, while he didn't go "helmet to helmet", the crown appeared to hit first, so I can see why he was fined.

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 11:24 AM
Looked to me like he was aiming at the chin.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 11:26 AM
Looked to me like he was aiming at the chin.

Well, what you think he was aiming for and what he hit isn't in question... nobody knows his intent, but he did not go helmet to helmet.

Sydd
01-06-2005, 11:30 AM
Well, what you think he was aiming for and what he hit isn't in question... nobody knows his intent, but he did not go helmet to helmet.


Look at the way his head snaps back. His head is moving backward before his body. First point of contact was the facemask.

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 11:30 AM
"Helmet to helmet" really only applies from the side. Very rarely will you see a front h2h flag. In the instances where the defender gets to square up & launch straight at the ball carrier's front, the worst spear that can occur is the one he got fined for: spearing to the chin; the one unprotected part of the head.

Looked intentional to me. Which is fine as long as you're not some whining pussy about it afterwards, like Lynch was. At least be honest about the fact that you intentionally tried to knock a player out of the game.

BigChiefFan
01-06-2005, 11:32 AM
Yes.. he could definately see the guys feet when he hit him.

Now go to Yellowpages.com and look up Optometrist.
ROFL Good stuff!!!

HC_Chief
01-06-2005, 09:34 PM
<img src="http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/DB0103fourteen.jpg">

Go ahead donkey fans, try to convince us that's a clean hit.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 09:40 PM
What is that? Photoshop???



I'll give ya that one..

jjjayb
01-06-2005, 09:41 PM
<img src="http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/DB0103fourteen.jpg">

Go ahead donkey fans, try to convince us that's a clean hit.


Yeah, but.. but.. but...He was looking up before he lowered his head and launched himself into him! Yeah, that's it. He had his head up at the start of the play when the ball was hiked! That's all that matters. Perfectly legal!

OldTownChief
01-06-2005, 10:56 PM
What comes around goes around. In a couple years he'll be sitting beside Romo in the home saying.....derrrrrr...yeeeellllp.....deeeerrrrr.

Mile High Mania
01-06-2005, 11:14 PM
Yeah, but.. but.. but...He was looking up before he lowered his head and launched himself into him! Yeah, that's it. He had his head up at the start of the play when the ball was hiked! That's all that matters. Perfectly legal!

Hey, that's a good point.

InChiefsHell
01-07-2005, 07:39 AM
This quote is great, especially after you read the whole article:
Coyer said Sunday that a 15-yard penalty for Lynch's hit was "questionable."

What a major jackass...of course, if he said it Sunday, it was probably before all of the scrutiny, but any moron with eyeballs could see what had happened.

It's probably a good thing that there are no "Lynch types on the Dolts, or else Lelie and Smith would have to be worried.

Count Alex's Losses
01-07-2005, 07:48 AM
No, there was no desire to go after Lynch. If there was, it was in the minority. Greg Robinson's scheme made us all think we had a couple of great safeties playing back there.