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Jmart
01-06-2005, 01:51 PM
I am no expert on this stuff but I am willing to try anything. I ran this right after I ran Ad Aware and it seemed to catch more than AA did. I ran it twice in a row and a few of the same Trojan Horses came up. I guess they regenerate themselves pretty quick. Anyone else tried this yet? From cnn.com:

Microsoft offers free security program

Thursday, January 6, 2005 Posted: 11:31 AM EST (1631 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft Corp., whose popular Windows software is a frequent target for Internet viruses, is offering a free security program to remove the most dangerous infections from computers.

The program, with monthly updates, is a step toward plans by Microsoft to sell full-blown antivirus software later this year.

Microsoft said Thursday that consumers can download the new security program from the company's Web site www.microsoft.com and that updated versions will be offered automatically and free each month.

It will be available starting Tuesday.

Also being offered is a free program to remove "spyware," a category of irritating programs that secretly monitor the activities of Internet users and can cause sluggish computer performance or popup ads.

Microsoft said the virus-removal program will not prevent computer infections and was never intended to replace the need for traditional antivirus software, such as flagship products from McAfee Inc. or Symantec Corp.

But a senior Microsoft executive confirmed the company's plans to sell its own antivirus software, which would compete against programs from McAfee, Symantec and others.

Microsoft purchased a Romanian antivirus firm, GeCAD Software Srl., for an undisclosed amount in 2003. Industry rivals expect Microsoft's formal entry into the market as early as the spring.

"We will have a standalone antivirus product that is one of the things you can buy from Microsoft, but we're not announcing anything today," said Rich Kaplan, vice president for Microsoft's security business and technology unit.

The offers of free virus and spyware removal tools were intended to convince consumers that Microsoft is working to improve its software's security, Kaplan said.

Microsoft and other companies occasionally have offered separate programs to disinfect specific viruses. Microsoft promised its new removal tool will target a variety of infections and will be updated each month to recognize new ones.

Microsoft is sensitive to criticism about the susceptibility of its Windows operating system software to computer viruses. It has responded by tightening security for its popular Outlook e-mail software and improving the protective firewall utility for Windows.

But its reputation largely has hinged on consumers' effective use of antivirus products and other security programs outside Microsoft's control.

Microsoft has proceeded more cautiously in recent years as it moves to compete against its one-time partners. European antitrust regulators last year fined the company euro497 million (U.S. $613 million) over charges it abused its software monopoly. Microsoft is operating under restrictions from a U.S. antitrust settlement with the Bush administration until 2007.

Kaplan encouraged consumers to buy updated antivirus software from vendors such as Symantec and McAfee. He also expressed confidence that an industry organization formed to share details between Microsoft and leading antivirus companies about virus outbreaks would survive Microsoft's decision to compete directly against those same businesses.

Antivirus vendors have warned investors about the fallout as Microsoft enters the market. McAfee, for example, said in its most recent annual report that its own products could become "obsolete and unmarketable" if Microsoft were to include antivirus protection in Windows software.

A Symantec executive, Vincent Weafer, said Microsoft's success as an antivirus company at Symantec's expense was not guaranteed. Weafer noted that some leading security companies have decades of specialized experience and skilled researchers.

"This is an area we certainly think we can differentiate ourselves from Microsoft," Weafer said. "We've worked hard over the years to build trust with customers."

Microsoft disclosed last month that it planned to offer software to remove spyware programs that are secretly running on computers. But in a shift from past practice, Microsoft said it may charge consumers for future versions of the new protective technology, which Microsoft acquired by buying a small New York software firm.

Kaplan said the free version of Microsoft's new spyware-removal software will expire July 31 and pricing for future versions is still undecided. Rival anti-spyware tools, such as Lavasoft Inc.'s popular Ad-Aware product, offer similar functions to Microsoft's, and many are free.

AeroSquid
01-06-2005, 01:55 PM
I use Firefox and I don't get spyware :)

morphius
01-06-2005, 01:56 PM
I would try it, but I do my best to try to not use MS products whenever there is a good alternitive. But at least they are starting to face the problem.

Jmart
01-06-2005, 02:06 PM
I use Firefox and I don't get spyware :)
I am starting to get spyware on my Firefox as well. I have no idea what I caught out there but it is some real nasty stuff...

ENDelt260
01-06-2005, 02:07 PM
I am starting to get spyware on my Firefox as well. I have no idea what I caught out there but it is some real nasty stuff...
You gotta quit hitting them sicko animal porn sites.

Jmart
01-06-2005, 02:12 PM
You gotta quit hitting them sicko animal porn sites.
You know how we do it here in DIEGO!!! :)

Swanman
01-06-2005, 02:14 PM
You gotta quit hitting them sicko animal porn sites.

Then what would the internet be good for?

Cochise
01-06-2005, 02:15 PM
i used to have spyware out the ass. then i started using firefox. now I have none.

On the other hand... it will be sad to see them put people like Norton and Symantec out of business and the quality of consumer virus protection go to Raiders like with everything else they get itno.

htismaqe
01-06-2005, 02:19 PM
This isn't a Microsoft product.

It's actually spyware/adware removal from Giant Software. Microsoft purchased it lock, stock, and barrel.

Jmart
01-06-2005, 02:27 PM
This isn't a Microsoft product.

It's actually spyware/adware removal from Giant Software. Microsoft purchased it lock, stock, and barrel.
Wow, you would figure they have the programmers to make their own and make it top-notch...

Boozer
01-06-2005, 02:30 PM
Wow, you would figure they have the programmers to make their own and make it top-notch...

ROFL

Iowanian
01-06-2005, 02:32 PM
I haven't used the firefox or anything yet...........After you download it, is it pretty simple to make work with your ISP and modem?

Can you have BOTH firefox(his) and IE(her)?

This would all be simpler if Microsoft just put more Effort into making thier product less of a trash magnet and close some vulnerabilities.

ENDelt260
01-06-2005, 02:33 PM
I haven't used the firefox or anything yet...........After you download it, is it pretty simple to make work with your ISP and modem?

Can you have BOTH firefox(his) and IE(her)?
Yes to all.

KCTitus
01-06-2005, 02:46 PM
On the other hand... it will be sad to see them put people like Norton and Symantec out of business and the quality of consumer virus protection go to Raiders like with everything else they get itno.

Both Symantec and McAfee products suck...the moment a new virus is created, the software is worthless and requires upgrading. The best thing to happen to the virus software industry would be a proactive software that wouldnt require a definition file upgrade every couple of days.

morphius
01-06-2005, 02:59 PM
This isn't a Microsoft product.

It's actually spyware/adware removal from Giant Software. Microsoft purchased it lock, stock, and barrel.
Which would make it a MS product going forward, correct?

ENDelt260
01-06-2005, 03:00 PM
I think my local government should provide me with low-cost adaware and anti-virus solutions.

morphius
01-06-2005, 03:01 PM
Both Symantec and McAfee products suck...the moment a new virus is created, the software is worthless and requires upgrading. The best thing to happen to the virus software industry would be a proactive software that wouldnt require a definition file upgrade every couple of days.
Well, they try to block what they can, but not even MS knows all of the wholes in its software, so how are those two smaller companies going to do that without access to all of the source from MS?

htismaqe
01-06-2005, 03:09 PM
Both Symantec and McAfee products suck...the moment a new virus is created, the software is worthless and requires upgrading. The best thing to happen to the virus software industry would be a proactive software that wouldnt require a definition file upgrade every couple of days.

Ever hear of MessageLabs?

I have a couple of friends that work there. They do real-time, network-based email scanning.

Their software consists of 3 or 4 different commercial (definition-based) engines to catch all the known viruses plus their own proprietary scanning engine.

It's a 6GB heuristics database that processes several million emails a day. In 6 years, it's never passed a virus, even unknown ones. You should see some of the mail stats, they're almost laughable -- they catch new variants and new viruses 12-14 hours before Trend and Symantec even RELEASE def updates...

Of course, this doesn't mean you still don't have to use desktop AV. 97% of all viruses come through email, so there's about 3% that there service can't catch.

jcroft
01-06-2005, 03:50 PM
Although I'm a bit of a computer geek, I don't know a lot about this because I:

1. Use a Mac more often than not.

AND

2. Use Firefox and no p2p programs on my Windows machines, so I generally don't have a spyware problem.

That having been said -- in an article I read earlier, it suggestetd that Microsoft intends to make people PAY for this adware/spyware prevention/removal program when it's out of beta. Like, pay a monthly subscription fee.

I hope to god that's not true, but it sure sounds very Microsoft-ian. It'd be just like them to keep their OS just insecure enough that this shit gets in and then charge people for them to remove it.

And to the person who said, "You'd think they'd have the programmers....": When has Microsoft <em>ever</em> really innovated anything? It's not in their business model. They either buy up cool products, or they just flat rip them off.

And before anyone accuses me of being an Apple bigot, I'll say this: latley, Apple has been ripping off cool software from small developers left and right. In my mind, it's MUCH better to buy them up -- at least then they get paid for their efforts.

Donger
01-06-2005, 03:53 PM
Although I'm a bit of a computer geek, I don't know a lot about this because I:

1. Use a Mac more often than not.

AND

2. Use Firefox and no p2p programs on my Windows machines, so I generally don't have a spyware problem.

That having been said -- in an article I read earlier, it suggestetd that Microsoft intends to make people PAY for this adware/spyware prevention/removal program when it's out of beta. Like, pay a monthly subscription fee.

I hope to god that's not true, but it sure sounds very Microsoft-ian. It'd be just like them to keep their OS just insecure enough that this shit gets in and then charge people for them to remove it.

And to the person who said, "You'd think they'd have the programmers....": When has Microsoft <em>ever</em> really innovated anything? It's not in their business model. They either buy up cool products, or they just flat rip them off.

And before anyone accuses me of being an Apple bigot, I'll say this: latley, Apple has been ripping off cool software from small developers left and right. In my mind, it's MUCH better to buy them up -- at least then they get paid for their efforts.

Microsoft disclosed last month that it planned to offer software to remove spyware programs that are secretly running on computers. But in a shift from past practice, Microsoft said it may charge consumers for future versions of the new protective technology, which Microsoft acquired by buying a small New York software firm.

Kaplan said the free version of Microsoft's new spyware-removal software will expire July 31 and pricing for future versions is still undecided.

htismaqe
01-06-2005, 03:56 PM
Although I'm a bit of a computer geek, I don't know a lot about this because I:

1. Use a Mac more often than not.

AND

2. Use Firefox and no p2p programs on my Windows machines, so I generally don't have a spyware problem.

That having been said -- in an article I read earlier, it suggestetd that Microsoft intends to make people PAY for this adware/spyware prevention/removal program when it's out of beta. Like, pay a monthly subscription fee.

I hope to god that's not true, but it sure sounds very Microsoft-ian. It'd be just like them to keep their OS just insecure enough that this shit gets in and then charge people for them to remove it.

And to the person who said, "You'd think they'd have the programmers....": When has Microsoft <em>ever</em> really innovated anything? It's not in their business model. They either buy up cool products, or they just flat rip them off.

And before anyone accuses me of being an Apple bigot, I'll say this: latley, Apple has been ripping off cool software from small developers left and right. In my mind, it's MUCH better to buy them up -- at least then they get paid for their efforts.

I have a little insider info here...

We do alot of tech teaming with MS and I'm also on an internal security group here...according to an email I got from team member today, MS plans to offer two versions -- one "free" and one "full-featured".

jcroft
01-06-2005, 03:56 PM
Guess I should have read the article, huh? :D

That's so lame, in my mind. If your operating system is so insecure that it requires adware/spyware/virus removal products, then those products should be built into the operating system and included with your operating system license.

htismaqe
01-06-2005, 03:58 PM
Although I'm a bit of a computer geek, I don't know a lot about this because I:

1. Use a Mac more often than not.

AND

2. Use Firefox and no p2p programs on my Windows machines, so I generally don't have a spyware problem.

That having been said -- in an article I read earlier, it suggestetd that Microsoft intends to make people PAY for this adware/spyware prevention/removal program when it's out of beta. Like, pay a monthly subscription fee.

I hope to god that's not true, but it sure sounds very Microsoft-ian. It'd be just like them to keep their OS just insecure enough that this shit gets in and then charge people for them to remove it.

And to the person who said, "You'd think they'd have the programmers....": When has Microsoft <em>ever</em> really innovated anything? It's not in their business model. They either buy up cool products, or they just flat rip them off.

And before anyone accuses me of being an Apple bigot, I'll say this: latley, Apple has been ripping off cool software from small developers left and right. In my mind, it's MUCH better to buy them up -- at least then they get paid for their efforts.

I just got done doing a vuln lab with Linux, WinXP, and Macs.

The Macs had almost as many vulnerabilities as the Windows machines. The thing was, we had to MANUALLY attack them -- there's no exploits out there to attack them.

According to SANS, the security of Macs is due less to lack of vulnerabilites and more because hackers don't pay them much mind due to lack of footprint...

ENDelt260
01-06-2005, 03:59 PM
According to SANS, the security of Macs is due less to lack of vulnerabilites and more because hackers don't pay them much mind due to lack of footprint...

Nooooooo....

jcroft
01-06-2005, 03:59 PM
I just got done doing a vuln lab with Linux, WinXP, and Macs.

The Macs had almost as many vulnerabilities as the Windows machines. The thing was, we had to MANUALLY attack them -- there's no exploits out there to attack them.

According to SANS, the security of Macs is due less to lack of vulnerabilites and more because hackers don't pay them much mind due to lack of footprint...

Absolutley. I don't argue with that one bit. Apple's security is mostly by obscurity. But it works (for now).

Still doesn't change my point. MS should include this software with an OS license, if it's a necessilty to keeping people's computer running well.

Jenny Gump
01-06-2005, 04:00 PM
Don't you know this is just another way for Bill Gates to implant electrode sensors into your life? Just ask Warpaint. He is so cool. He knows so much about stuff. I wish the Government would come out with software...that would totally rock dude.

AeroSquid
01-06-2005, 04:14 PM
I am starting to get spyware on my Firefox as well. I have no idea what I caught out there but it is some real nasty stuff...

I should have clairifed- I use Firefox and common sense and i don't have any spyware :p

Alec R
01-06-2005, 04:46 PM
I use Firefox and I don't get spyware :)

Firefox isnt 100% at blocking adware and spyware but its pretty good. Couple that with Spybot S&D and AdAware SE and its pretty damn difficult to get spyware.

A firewall helps tremendously too.

AeroSquid
01-06-2005, 05:47 PM
Firefox isnt 100% at blocking adware and spyware but its pretty good. Couple that with Spybot S&D and AdAware SE and its pretty damn difficult to get spyware.

A firewall helps tremendously too.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2201758&postcount=27

;)

OldTownChief
01-06-2005, 06:09 PM
You gotta quit hitting them sicko animal porn sites.

Says the dude who "Loves Alpacas" :rolleyes:

jjjayb
01-06-2005, 07:39 PM
This isn't a Microsoft product.

It's actually spyware/adware removal from Giant Software. Microsoft purchased it lock, stock, and barrel.

I've been using the Giant version for about a month or so. Very good. I've run it on some of the problem computers at work and it found a ton of stuff that adaware and spybot didn't.

The microsoft version of this has cut out some of the features. It will not delete cookies and it has removed the file shredder. It also doesn't scan nearly as many files when it runs the full scan option.

I'll stick with Giant for the next year until support for it ends.