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DanT
01-08-2005, 05:40 PM
Just saw this on yahoo.com news.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=8&u=/ap/submarine_aground

Nuclear Submarine Runs Aground; 20 Hurt

30 minutes ago U.S. National - AP



HONOLULU - A nuclear submarine ran aground about 350 miles south of Guam, injuring around 20 sailors, one of them critically, the Navy said.



There were no reports of damage to the USS San Francisco's reactor plant, which was operating normally, the Navy said.


The 360-foot submarine was headed back to its home port in Guam, and the Friday afternoon incident was under investigation, said Jon Yoshishige, a spokesman for the Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor.


He said there was no information yet on what the submarine struck.


Details on the sailors' injuries were not immediately available, but Yoshishige said an initial assessment put the number injured at around 20. The sub has a crew of 137, officials said.


Navy and Coast Guard aircraft from Guam were en route to monitor the submarine and assist if needed, the Navy said.


Guam is a U.S. territory about 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

Bob Dole
01-08-2005, 05:42 PM
How the **** does a sub run aground?

Demonpenz
01-08-2005, 05:43 PM
How the **** does a sub run aground?


ususally runs into a piece of land

4th and Long
01-08-2005, 05:45 PM
How the **** does a sub run aground?
You took the words out of my mouth. It's one thing to be in a car and fall asleep and run into something but for Christ's sake, theres hundreds of people on a sub. How many of them have to be total **** ups to run the bitch aground?

DanT
01-08-2005, 06:11 PM
More news from Voice of America
http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-01-08-voa10.cfm

US Nuclear-Powered Submarine Runs Aground VOA News
08-January-2005 1601



An accident has occurred on one of the U.S. Navy's nuclear powered attack submarines in the Pacific Ocean. The Navy says the sub, for reasons not yet known, hit bottom in one of the deepest parts of the Pacific.


The U.S. Navy says the USS San Francisco was on its way to a port visit in Australia when the accident happened in the Pacific Ocean, about 560 kilometers south of Guam.

Petty Officer Alyssa Batarla, a spokeswoman for the Navy's Pacific Fleet in Honolulu, says the nuclear-powered submarine appeared to have hit the ocean floor in the middle of the East Marianas Basin, causing injuries to some of the 137 crew members.

"There is one critical injury and number of minor injuries," she said. "Approximately 20 personnel [were] injured to the point that they are unable to stand watch. The submarine is currently on the surface and making its best speed back toward its home port in Guam."

The Navy says the submarine's hull is intact and the vessel's nuclear reactor has not been damaged.

Military aircraft, a naval submarine tender and a Coast Guard cutter have been dispatched from Guam to escort the crippled submarine back to its home port. Officials say an attempt will be made to airlift the critically injured sailor from the submarine.

The San Francisco, commissioned in 1981, is a fast-attack submarine which is capable of launching Tomahawk cruise missiles. It is also designed to seek and destroy enemy submarines and surface ships.

The last significant accident involving a U.S. naval attack submarine took place in 2001 when the nuclear-powered USS Greeneville surfaced off Hawaii, colliding with a high school's fishing boat from Japan, killing nine Japanese.

Rain Man
01-08-2005, 06:15 PM
An accident has occurred on one of the U.S. Navy's nuclear powered attack submarines in the Pacific Ocean. The Navy says the sub, for reasons not yet known, hit bottom in one of the deepest parts of the Pacific.

The U.S. Navy says the USS San Francisco was on its way to a port visit in Australia when the accident happened in the Pacific Ocean, about 560 kilometers south of Guam.

Petty Officer Alyssa Batarla, a spokeswoman for the Navy's Pacific Fleet in Honolulu, says the nuclear-powered submarine appeared to have hit the ocean floor in the middle of the East Marianas Basin, causing injuries to some of the 137 crew members.


Holy freaking cow.

I'll bet they have to issue new pants to every crew member. This is why they shouldn't go with white.

Valiant
01-08-2005, 07:47 PM
what do you expect when you get a entire crew of gay men.. they are always running objects into the dirt...

its all i got...

Rain Man
01-08-2005, 07:51 PM
what do you expect when you get a entire crew of gay men.. they are always running objects into the dirt...

its all i got...


You could have just gone with the classic, "What's long and cylindrical and full of seamen?"

Boozer
01-08-2005, 08:15 PM
The last significant accident involving a U.S. naval attack submarine took place in 2001 when the nuclear-powered USS Greeneville surfaced off Hawaii, colliding with a high school's fishing boat from Japan, killing nine Japanese.

Haha! You fockers thought we forgot about Pearl Harbor, didn't ya!

Eat it, bitch.

Donger
01-08-2005, 08:18 PM
How the **** does a sub run aground?

Ask jettio.

She's a chick and served on boats...

Boozer
01-08-2005, 08:22 PM
Ask jettio.

She's a chick and served on boats...

Just out of curiosity, how'd you convince yourself that jettio was a woman?

Donger
01-08-2005, 08:23 PM
Just out of curiosity, how'd you convince yourself that jettio was a woman?

It said it was once.

*edit. I also asked it repeatedly what boats it served on (FA or Boomers) and it put me on iggy. So, I guess we'll never know.

Boozer
01-08-2005, 08:25 PM
It said it was once.

Bizzare. Link?

Donger
01-08-2005, 08:27 PM
Bizzare. Link?

I wish. Search is disabled, I guess. It was about a year ago.

Maybe you could try. It won't converse with me.

Boozer
01-08-2005, 08:27 PM
*edit. I also asked it repeatedly what boats it served on (FA or Boomers) and it put me on iggy. So, I guess we'll never know.

Yeah, I remember that. You got all pissy because jettio wouldn't give out personal information.

Donger
01-08-2005, 08:29 PM
Yeah, I remember that. You got all pissy because jettio wouldn't give out personal information.

Hardly personal. Lot's of submariners serve on lots of boats.

Not exactly like I was asking it for it's serial number.

Amnorix
01-08-2005, 08:31 PM
You took the words out of my mouth. It's one thing to be in a car and fall asleep and run into something but for Christ's sake, theres hundreds of people on a sub. How many of them have to be total **** ups to run the bitch aground?

Prolly about 4. Seriously, there's not that many people involved in plotting/setting the course, checking the depth, and referencing the maps.

The captain, officer of the deck, navigator and a few other guys on this boat are done, however. The captain will never get promoted now even if he was asleep at the time this happened and he wasn't involved at all.

Donger
01-08-2005, 08:39 PM
The captain will never get promoted now even if he was asleep at the time this happened and he wasn't involved at all.

Yep.

DanT
01-08-2005, 08:55 PM
I got to take a Dad's Day cruise on my brother jettio's sub. We went from Norfolk to Charleston. He's a plank owner on one of the "improved-class of Los Angeles" attack subs, the series that starts with SSN 751. It'll be interesting to find out what happened with SSN 711. They were operating in deep water, according to the VOA report, so I doubt they had any civilians aboard, like the USS Greeneville had when it had its accident.

Boozer
01-08-2005, 09:00 PM
I got to take a Dad's Day cruise on my brother jettio's sub. We went from Norfolk to Charleston. He's a plank owner on one of the "improved-class of Los Angeles" attack subs, the series that starts with SSN 751. It'll be interesting to find out what happened with SSN 711. They were operating in deep water, according to the VOA report, so I doubt they had any civilians aboard, like the USS Greeneville had when it had its accident.

LIAR!!! jettio is a woman. :rolleyes:

DanT
01-08-2005, 09:03 PM
This site says that the boats through SSN 718 are in the process of being decommissioned.
http://www.usni.org/resources/LAclass/ssnlaclass.htm


Units through SSN 718 are being prematurely retired to save the cost of recoring and operating; they otherwise had many years of service remaining and were clearly superior to nearly all foreign submarines. Eight of the class without vertical missile launchers, however, may be refueled to extend their service and increase the numbers of active submarines; SSN 719 and later are now planned to remain in service for 33 years each.


U.S. Navy nuclear-powered ships are retired by placing them initially in"In Commission, In Reserve" (ICIR) status, with partial crews aboard for safety purposes until the nuclear power plants are deactivated and rendered safe; the ships are then formally decommissioned and usually (but not always) stricken from the Navy List on the same date. Retirements to date include:


*
*
ICIR
Decomm.
Stricken

*
SSN 689 Baton Rouge
1-11-93
13-1-94
13-2-95

*
SSN 692 Omaha
7-2-95
5-10-95
5-10-95

*
SSN 693 Cincinnati
5-1-95
31-7-95
29-7-96

*
SSN 694 Groton
19-9-96
7-11-97
7-11-97

*
SSN 695 Birmingham
17-4-97
12-97
12-97

*
SSN 696 New York City
19-3-96
30-4-97
30-4-97

*
SSN 697 Indianapolis
2-3-98
. . .
. . .

*
SSN 702 Phoenix
18-9-97
29-7-98
29-7-98

*
SSN 703 Boston
15-3-99
19-11-99
19-11-99

*
SSN 704 Baltimore
1-10-97
10-7-98
10-7-98

*
SSN 712 Atlanta*
1-3-99
. . .
. . .

The same site is one of many on the web with info on the L.A.-class of ships, one of the most impressive ever built.

KCJake
01-08-2005, 09:08 PM
This thread is worthless without pics

Boozer
01-08-2005, 09:18 PM
This site says that the boats through SSN 718 are in the process of being decommissioned.
http://www.usni.org/resources/LAclass/ssnlaclass.htm



The same site is one of many on the web with info on the L.A.-class of ships, one of the most impressive ever built.

Has there ever been a USS Kansas City? Was it a Los Angeles class sub, and if not, why not? Damn it, I need answers man.

DanT
01-08-2005, 09:25 PM
Has there ever been a USS Kansas City? Was it a Los Angeles class sub, and if not, why not? Damn it, I need answers man.


USS Kansas City
One incomplete and one commissioned vessel of the United States Navy have been named USS Kansas City, after Kansas City, Missouri.


The first Kansas City (CA-128) was to have been a heavy cruiser, but was cancelled due to the end of World War II, just days after being laid down.


The first commissioned Kansas City (AOR-3) was a replenishment oiler in service from 1970 to 1994.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/uss_kansas_city

There are L.A. class subs named after Jefferson City (SSN 759) and Topeka (SSN 754). That's the same "improved" class as jettio's boat is in.

Valiant
01-08-2005, 09:28 PM
I used to have a missle destroyer named after me..

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/DDG40.htm

here is the kansas city... it is a replenishment oiler, no longer in the military...

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/AOR3.htm

oh and for you fuking donk fans the uss denver is a amphibious transport dock...

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/LPD9.htm

Iowanian
01-08-2005, 10:15 PM
I'm somehow not suprised to hear that a Phallically shaped vessle named "the San Francisco" ran into some Mud..

Donger
01-08-2005, 10:21 PM
LIAR!!! jettio is a woman. :rolleyes:

Hey, I have no idea if it is or isn't.

If it is, then it didn't serve on boats. It it isn't, which boats.

Simple questions.

Barret
01-08-2005, 11:02 PM
I believe Amnorix is 100% correct. That CO wont see another promotion ever again. He should just go in for early retirement and get it out of the way.

Anyway on board a Sub you have the Navigator and the Enlisted person who is called the A-Nav. The A-nav is normally a E-7 or higher on board. Both of those guys are history and should seek early retirement.

Normally charts and depth sounding is used to make sure they are at a specific depth and how far down the ocean floor is. If I were the Admiral at the Mast for this Captain I would be asking "why were you operating at that depth when your charts showed this"

A couple of things might have been going on though that could come into play. I dont think the report went in depth about what they were doing but if it was a training or shakedown cruise there could have been a number of things that went wrong.

Anyway some reason will soon be coming out to make someone the goat in this mess to save as many higher up jobs as possible.

jettio
01-08-2005, 11:06 PM
Just out of curiosity, how'd you convince yourself that jettio was a woman?

I think all of that happened when bunnytrdr used that as a throwaway insult when he was otherwise getting the worst of some exchange.

Evidently fools like Donger and others were too stupid to figure out that bunnytrdr was using a grade school insult.

I did not bother addressing that stupid sh*t, because how could anybody read my posts and get confused about the gender of the poster.

And Donger's fellow dipsh*t bunnytrdr never bothered to let his stupid friends know that he had just made up a kindergarten insult, he probably is confused about it himself by now.

That meatpeeker Donger is an online stalker asking questions. After claiming that I lied about my bio information, I challenged the wanker to a wager that he ran all the f*ck away from. Can you believe that?

Now he's typing away repeating the insulting sh*t that he did not have the decency to back up with some cash and begging for a search feature. Pretty surprising since when he was a newbie and giving me the bum rush with the personal questions, I told him to quit being a pest and use the search feature to find what I had already posted about myself and those topics.

Now he wishes for a search feature so that he can find imaginary stupid sh*t.

That fool deserves a prize. Unbelievable.

Donger
01-09-2005, 08:00 AM
I think all of that happened when bunnytrdr used that as a throwaway insult when he was otherwise getting the worst of some exchange.

Evidently fools like Donger and others were too stupid to figure out that bunnytrdr was using a grade school insult.

I did not bother addressing that stupid sh*t, because how could anybody read my posts and get confused about the gender of the poster.

And Donger's fellow dipsh*t bunnytrdr never bothered to let his stupid friends know that he had just made up a kindergarten insult, he probably is confused about it himself by now.

That meatpeeker Donger is an online stalker asking questions. After claiming that I lied about my bio information, I challenged the wanker to a wager that he ran all the f*ck away from. Can you believe that?

Now he's typing away repeating the insulting sh*t that he did not have the decency to back up with some cash and begging for a search feature. Pretty surprising since when he was a newbie and giving me the bum rush with the personal questions, I told him to quit being a pest and use the search feature to find what I had already posted about myself and those topics.

Now he wishes for a search feature so that he can find imaginary stupid sh*t.

That fool deserves a prize. Unbelievable.


Hey, jettio? Like I said before, I could care less if you're a male or female. However, if you're a female, you didn't serve on boats. If you did serve on boats, which ones? It's not like that classified information.

BTW, what wager?

Skip Towne
01-09-2005, 08:17 AM
I think all of that happened when bunnytrdr used that as a throwaway insult when he was otherwise getting the worst of some exchange.

Evidently fools like Donger and others were too stupid to figure out that bunnytrdr was using a grade school insult.

I did not bother addressing that stupid sh*t, because how could anybody read my posts and get confused about the gender of the poster.

And Donger's fellow dipsh*t bunnytrdr never bothered to let his stupid friends know that he had just made up a kindergarten insult, he probably is confused about it himself by now.

That meatpeeker Donger is an online stalker asking questions. After claiming that I lied about my bio information, I challenged the wanker to a wager that he ran all the f*ck away from. Can you believe that?

Now he's typing away repeating the insulting sh*t that he did not have the decency to back up with some cash and begging for a search feature. Pretty surprising since when he was a newbie and giving me the bum rush with the personal questions, I told him to quit being a pest and use the search feature to find what I had already posted about myself and those topics.

Now he wishes for a search feature so that he can find imaginary stupid sh*t.

That fool deserves a prize. Unbelievable.
:LOL: Fellow dipshit :LOL:

jettio
01-09-2005, 08:21 AM
I got to take a Dad's Day cruise on my brother jettio's sub. We went from Norfolk to Charleston. He's a plank owner on one of the "improved-class of Los Angeles" attack subs, the series that starts with SSN 751. It'll be interesting to find out what happened with SSN 711. They were operating in deep water, according to the VOA report, so I doubt they had any civilians aboard, like the USS Greeneville had when it had its accident.

DanT, I never thought you could ever make anyone's ignore list, but evidently that dipsh*t Donger has you on ignore.

Heard that the critically injured sailor did not make it. My guess would be that the injuries were from the impact and the guy with the fatal injury was probably on or near a ladder when the boat ran aground and he probably fell hard into something.

Donger
01-09-2005, 09:09 AM
I got to take a Dad's Day cruise on my brother jettio's sub. We went from Norfolk to Charleston. He's a plank owner on one of the "improved-class of Los Angeles" attack subs, the series that starts with SSN 751. It'll be interesting to find out what happened with SSN 711. They were operating in deep water, according to the VOA report, so I doubt they had any civilians aboard, like the USS Greeneville had when it had its accident.

So, jettio's a plank owner on a fast attack? Which one?

Donger
01-09-2005, 09:10 AM
DanT, I never thought you could ever make anyone's ignore list, but evidently that dipsh*t Donger has you on ignore.

Heard that the critically injured sailor did not make it. My guess would be that the injuries were from the impact and the guy with the fatal injury was probably on or near a ladder when the boat ran aground and he probably fell hard into something.

Actually, I didn't even see his post until now. I don't have anyone on ignore.

DanT
01-09-2005, 03:37 PM
Heard that the critically injured sailor did not make it. My guess would be that the injuries were from the impact and the guy with the fatal injury was probably on or near a ladder when the boat ran aground and he probably fell hard into something.

Yeah, I just saw that. Sad news. May he go with God.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=8&u=/ap/submarine_aground

Sailor Dies After Nuclear Submarine Mishap

2 minutes ago U.S. National - AP



HONOLULU - A nuclear submarine that ran aground about 350 miles south of Guam, killing one crewman and injuring 23 others, was due back at its home port in Guam on Monday, according to a Navy spokesman.



There were no reports of damage to the USS San Francisco's reactor plant, but the extent of damage to the 360-foot submarine would be determined when it gets to port, said Jon Yoshishige, spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet.


Officials said they still don't know what the Los Angeles-class submarine hit Saturday, but Lt. j.g. Adam Clampitt of the Pacific Fleet said it had been conducting operations underwater at the time.


The incident is under investigation, said Yoshishige.


Navy medical personnel from Guam have been brought aboard the submarine to treat the injuries, which included broken bones, lacerations, bruises and a back injury, the Navy said. The submarine has a crew of 137.


The name of the sailor who died was being withheld pending a mandatory 24-hour waiting period, the Navy said. The sailor's next of kin had been notified.


Located west of the international date line, Guam is a U.S. territory about 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

Valiant
01-09-2005, 03:40 PM
well that sucks... poor guy..

Rain Man
01-09-2005, 04:30 PM
I just keep coming back to how it would feel for that first two seconds after you hit something while deep down in the ocean. Everybody's heart must've just stopped.

I'm impressed too that the submarine didn't just break up and implode. If it hit hard enough to injure people and even kill one, it hit pretty hard, and I'd think that any kind of structural hit would've had a decent shot at opening the whole thing up. Who cares about getting fired, when you're still thinking about getting ripped apart underwater at 500 psi.

DanT
01-09-2005, 04:39 PM
So, jettio's a plank owner on a fast attack? Which one?


I've told you before that he's a submariner. You, apparently, don't believe me. Since there are plenty of sites on the Internet from which boats in the 688I class (SSN 751 -- SSN 773) can be identified (for example (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ssn-688-unit.htm)), my listing jettio's boat to you doesn't constitute proof of anything, given your apparent low regard for how truthful I am.

jettio has offered you a great favor, the opportunity to make a bet about whether he is or is not an honorably discharged submariner from the U.S. Navy. jettio lives in Kansas City, not too far from UMKC's main campus, about a mile or so east of the Plaza, and within easy driving distance of the Truman Sports Complex. It should be extremely easy for you two to arrange a bet with terms as to what constitutes proof that he is who he says he is, with said terms including someone that you both agree is a honest broker in whose custody the wagers can be placed and who can be shown the evidence with regard to the disputed claim. If the evidence is in jettio's favor, then jettio gets the money. If it's not, then you'll get the cash. Following tradition, the terms of the bet can include "juice" or a commission for the honest broker, payable by the loser. So, say, you and jettio put up $120 each, with the winner of the bet getting $220 of the $240 and the broker getting $20. With as many Planeteers as there are near Arrowhead, I bet y'all can even find a honest broker that would even want to give half of his juice to the 37 Forever foundation or something.

Here's a story about the U.S. Navy Nuclear Power School. To give you a hint about the name of jettio's boat, it's named after the same capital city where I flew in order to visit him while he was going through Nuke School, but it wasn't in the state where this story is set.

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/apr00/pg34.htm

DanT
01-09-2005, 04:43 PM
I just keep coming back to how it would feel for that first two seconds after you hit something while deep down in the ocean. Everybody's heart must've just stopped.

I'm impressed too that the submarine didn't just break up and implode. If it hit hard enough to injure people and even kill one, it hit pretty hard, and I'd think that any kind of structural hit would've had a decent shot at opening the whole thing up. Who cares about getting fired, when you're still thinking about getting ripped apart underwater at 500 psi.

Yeah, that would be scary as hell.

Apparently, the outer hull sustained damage, but the inner hull remained intact.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Jan/08/ln/ln29p.html

The impact breached the submarine's outer hull, damaging ballast tanks in its bow, Navy spokesman Jon Yoshishige said. But the vessel's inner hull remained intact, he said.

Rain Man
01-09-2005, 04:43 PM
So is jettio really your brother, DanT? I'm either naive or ignorant, and your answer will determine which.

DanT
01-09-2005, 04:51 PM
So is jettio really your brother, DanT? I'm either naive or ignorant, and your answer will determine which.

Sure is (my brother). One of them.

In fact, I'm a jettio, but not the jettio. We're both Tio's (Spanish word for Uncle) of our older brother's son, whose initials are J.E.T. That's where my brother's Chiefs Planet name comes from. So the 1st "t" in jettio stands for the same name as the 1st "T" in DanT.

Rain Man
01-09-2005, 04:53 PM
Wow, I had no idea. Your usernames look nothing alike, but now that you mention it, I see the resemblance in that "t".

DanT
01-09-2005, 04:58 PM
Wow, I had no idea. Your usernames look nothing alike, but now that you mention it, I see the resemblance in that "t".

:)

Boozer
01-09-2005, 04:59 PM
In other news, Frazod and Taco are not, in fact, the same person.

DanT
01-09-2005, 05:05 PM
In other news, Frazod and Taco are not, in fact, the same person.


Who floated that idea? I remember seeing it this week, but I forgot.

Talk about an imagination! ROFL

Boozer
01-09-2005, 05:12 PM
Who floated that idea? I remember seeing it this week, but I forgot.

Talk about an imagination! ROFL

That was an SDChiefsfan original. What was funny about it wasn't so much that it was floated, but that he made four or five posts trying to get someone to bite, even exhorting the mods to check IPs for some type of "ghosting" by Frazod

DanT
01-09-2005, 05:21 PM
That was an SDChiefsfan original. What was funny about it wasn't so much that it was floated, but that he made four or five posts trying to get someone to bite, even exhorting the mods to check IPs for some type of "ghosting" by Frazod


Oh yeah. :(

aduane
01-09-2005, 07:30 PM
As a recently discharged submariner (USS Maine Gold) my prayers are with the crew of the San Fran. Also on a technical note U.S. Submarines only have one hull. It is made of HY-80 or HY-100 steel. It is flexible but very hard to rupture. When it is necessary to make a hull cut it must first be heated for about three days before the actual cut can be made.

DanT
01-09-2005, 09:06 PM
As a recently discharged submariner (USS Maine Gold) my prayers are with the crew of the San Fran. Also on a technical note U.S. Submarines only have one hull. It is made of HY-80 or HY-100 steel. It is flexible but very hard to rupture. When it is necessary to make a hull cut it must first be heated for about three days before the actual cut can be made.

They are in my prayers, too.

Thanks for the info about the hull. There's a cutaway graphic at this unofficial site that (to my untrained eye) confirms that there is only one hull. I'd guess that something must have gotten lost in the translation between what the Pacific Fleet spokesman said and what the Honolulu Advertiser reported.

http://www.usni.org/resources/LAclass/ssnlaclass.htm
(The cutaway graphic for the ballast tanks is the second section from the bow.)

aduane
01-09-2005, 09:25 PM
Here is a link to a lot of high quality information on the U.S. Submarine Force. In the year 2000 the Submarine Service celebrated its centennial and the Smithsonian did an exhibit titled ďFast Attacks and Boomers: Submarines in the Cold War.Ē If you are interested check it out.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/subs/

jettio
01-09-2005, 09:28 PM
I've told you before that he's a submariner. You, apparently, don't believe me. Since there are plenty of sites on the Internet from which boats in the 688I class (SSN 751 -- SSN 773) can be identified (for example (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ssn-688-unit.htm)), my listing jettio's boat to you doesn't constitute proof of anything, given your apparent low regard for how truthful I am.

jettio has offered you a great favor, the opportunity to make a bet about whether he is or is not an honorably discharged submariner from the U.S. Navy. jettio lives in Kansas City, not too far from UMKC's main campus, about a mile or so east of the Plaza, and within easy driving distance of the Truman Sports Complex. It should be extremely easy for you two to arrange a bet with terms as to what constitutes proof that he is who he says he is, with said terms including someone that you both agree is a honest broker in whose custody the wagers can be placed and who can be shown the evidence with regard to the disputed claim. If the evidence is in jettio's favor, then jettio gets the money. If it's not, then you'll get the cash. Following tradition, the terms of the bet can include "juice" or a commission for the honest broker, payable by the loser. So, say, you and jettio put up $120 each, with the winner of the bet getting $220 of the $240 and the broker getting $20. With as many Planeteers as there are near Arrowhead, I bet y'all can even find a honest broker that would even want to give half of his juice to the 37 Forever foundation or something.

Here's a story about the U.S. Navy Nuclear Power School. To give you a hint about the name of jettio's boat, it's named after the same capital city where I flew in order to visit him while he was going through Nuke School, but it wasn't in the state where this story is set.

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/apr00/pg34.htm

I don't know if I want to meet the dude like that, the Lisa Montgomery case is getting more pub around here than it must be receiving out there in avocado land.

And you lowered the terms of the wager. I opened the bidding a lot higher than that.

KCJake
01-09-2005, 10:20 PM
Any pics of this bad boy "aground"

Donger
01-09-2005, 10:46 PM
I've told you before that he's a submariner. You, apparently, don't believe me. Since there are plenty of sites on the Internet from which boats in the 688I class (SSN 751 -- SSN 773) can be identified (for example (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ssn-688-unit.htm)), my listing jettio's boat to you doesn't constitute proof of anything, given your apparent low regard for how truthful I am.

jettio has offered you a great favor, the opportunity to make a bet about whether he is or is not an honorably discharged submariner from the U.S. Navy. jettio lives in Kansas City, not too far from UMKC's main campus, about a mile or so east of the Plaza, and within easy driving distance of the Truman Sports Complex. It should be extremely easy for you two to arrange a bet with terms as to what constitutes proof that he is who he says he is, with said terms including someone that you both agree is a honest broker in whose custody the wagers can be placed and who can be shown the evidence with regard to the disputed claim. If the evidence is in jettio's favor, then jettio gets the money. If it's not, then you'll get the cash. Following tradition, the terms of the bet can include "juice" or a commission for the honest broker, payable by the loser. So, say, you and jettio put up $120 each, with the winner of the bet getting $220 of the $240 and the broker getting $20. With as many Planeteers as there are near Arrowhead, I bet y'all can even find a honest broker that would even want to give half of his juice to the 37 Forever foundation or something.

Here's a story about the U.S. Navy Nuclear Power School. To give you a hint about the name of jettio's boat, it's named after the same capital city where I flew in order to visit him while he was going through Nuke School, but it wasn't in the state where this story is set.

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/apr00/pg34.htm

Again, I simply don't understand why jettio would be so shy of his service. Most submariners that I've met are very proud (justifiably so) of their service and the boats they sailed upon.

If he did serve on boats, I give him my thanks and sincere admiration. I tried to go to OCS with the intent to serve on boats but was rejected because of my gender and race. So, I'm naturally perplexed when someone who got the chance so standfastly refuses to make some simple (and anonymous) facts known.

go bowe
01-09-2005, 10:49 PM
Again, I simply don't understand why jettio would be so shy of his service. Most submariners that I've met are very proud (justifiably so) of their service and the boats they sailed upon.

If he did serve on boats, I give him my thanks and sincere admiration. I tried to go to OCS with the intent to serve on boats but was rejected because of my gender and race. So, I'm naturally perplexed when someone who got the chance so standfastly refuses to make some simple (and anonymous) facts known.what?

are you a woman of asian extraction, or what?

Donger
01-09-2005, 10:51 PM
I've told you before that he's a submariner. You, apparently, don't believe me. Since there are plenty of sites on the Internet from which boats in the 688I class (SSN 751 -- SSN 773) can be identified (for example (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ssn-688-unit.htm)), my listing jettio's boat to you doesn't constitute proof of anything, given your apparent low regard for how truthful I am.

jettio has offered you a great favor, the opportunity to make a bet about whether he is or is not an honorably discharged submariner from the U.S. Navy. jettio lives in Kansas City, not too far from UMKC's main campus, about a mile or so east of the Plaza, and within easy driving distance of the Truman Sports Complex. It should be extremely easy for you two to arrange a bet with terms as to what constitutes proof that he is who he says he is, with said terms including someone that you both agree is a honest broker in whose custody the wagers can be placed and who can be shown the evidence with regard to the disputed claim. If the evidence is in jettio's favor, then jettio gets the money. If it's not, then you'll get the cash. Following tradition, the terms of the bet can include "juice" or a commission for the honest broker, payable by the loser. So, say, you and jettio put up $120 each, with the winner of the bet getting $220 of the $240 and the broker getting $20. With as many Planeteers as there are near Arrowhead, I bet y'all can even find a honest broker that would even want to give half of his juice to the 37 Forever foundation or something.

Here's a story about the U.S. Navy Nuclear Power School. To give you a hint about the name of jettio's boat, it's named after the same capital city where I flew in order to visit him while he was going through Nuke School, but it wasn't in the state where this story is set.

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/apr00/pg34.htm

As to the wager (which I honestly don't remember), I'll take your word for it. You obviously got the calm genes of the family, as you can make a point without the apparent requisite jettio nastiness.

DanT
01-09-2005, 10:54 PM
Again, I simply don't understand why jettio would be so shy of his service. Most submariners that I've met are very proud (justifiably so) of their service and the boats they sailed upon.

If he did serve on boats, I give him my thanks and sincere admiration. I tried to go to OCS with the intent to serve on boats but was rejected because of my gender and race. So, I'm naturally perplexed when someone who got the chance so standfastly refuses to make some simple (and anonymous) facts known.

You got rejected from OCS because of your "gender and race"? What gender and race are you?

Donger
01-09-2005, 10:56 PM
what?

are you a woman of asian extraction, or what?

No.

White male. This was around 1993, when I graduated from university. After taking the entrance exam (which I scored in the 98th percentile/had three years to study) my recruiter came out all ashen-faced. He was a Tomcat-driver, IIRC. He told me that if I were a woman or a minority, they'd take me in a heartbeat. Since I was/am not either, he suggested that I go mustang. I asked if he could guarantee that I'd eventually go to OCS, and he said no.

I was absolutely destroyed. I had just become a US citizen and all I wanted to do was to serve my country as a naval officer.

I still am angered by it; even to this very day.

Part of me wished that I'd just enlisted, but I was raised (as most immigrants are) to never settle. So I didn't.

Donger
01-09-2005, 10:57 PM
You got rejected from OCS because of your "gender and race"? What gender and race are you?

See 57.

go bowe
01-09-2005, 11:09 PM
No.

White male. This was around 1993, when I graduated from university. After taking the entrance exam (which I scored in the 98th percentile/had three years to study) my recruiter came out all ashen-faced. He was a Tomcat-driver, IIRC. He told me that if I were a woman or a minority, they'd take me in a heartbeat. Since I was/am not either, he suggested that I go mustang. I asked if he could guarantee that I'd eventually go to OCS, and he said no.

I was absolutely destroyed. I had just become a US citizen and all I wanted to do was to serve my country as a naval officer.

I still am angered by it; even to this very day.

Part of me wished that I'd just enlisted, but I was raised (as most immigrants are) to never settle. So I didn't.maybe it was just your unclean legs...

Donger
01-09-2005, 11:12 PM
maybe it was just your unclean legs...

Heh. Trust me, I was ready for inspection that day.

DanT
01-10-2005, 12:36 AM
No.

White male. This was around 1993, when I graduated from university. After taking the entrance exam (which I scored in the 98th percentile/had three years to study) my recruiter came out all ashen-faced. He was a Tomcat-driver, IIRC. He told me that if I were a woman or a minority, they'd take me in a heartbeat. Since I was/am not either, he suggested that I go mustang. I asked if he could guarantee that I'd eventually go to OCS, and he said no.

I was absolutely destroyed. I had just become a US citizen and all I wanted to do was to serve my country as a naval officer.

I still am angered by it; even to this very day.

Part of me wished that I'd just enlisted, but I was raised (as most immigrants are) to never settle. So I didn't.

Thanks for the reply.

aduane
01-10-2005, 08:10 AM
I would be happy to act as an impartial moderator between parties currently involved in the disagreement over whether or not Jettio is in fact a real BubbleHead. If there is any interest let me know.

jettio
01-10-2005, 11:28 PM
Again, I simply don't understand why jettio would be so shy of his service. Most submariners that I've met are very proud (justifiably so) of their service and the boats they sailed upon.

If he did serve on boats, I give him my thanks and sincere admiration. I tried to go to OCS with the intent to serve on boats but was rejected because of my gender and race. So, I'm naturally perplexed when someone who got the chance so standfastly refuses to make some simple (and anonymous) facts known.

I don't answer your questions because you are disrespectful and narcissistic.

You need to quit lying to yourself and you should not be naturally perplexed, you asked me about my time in the military in disrespectful way after you had already got off on the wrong foot, and I told you that I don't care to waste my time with disrespectful people, and I told your dumbazz that I had posted before about submarines and that you could use the search feature if you wanted to see what I posted about it.

I can't imagine what kind of person calls another person an imposter or liar without any grounds for that other than they want to manipulate and annoy a person.

That is not cool at all.

Rausch
01-10-2005, 11:32 PM
That was an SDChiefsfan original. What was funny about it wasn't so much that it was floated, but that he made four or five posts trying to get someone to bite, even exhorting the mods to check IPs for some type of "ghosting" by Frazod

Neither of them must have seen it.

Frazod would still be neg-repping him...

Mike Grose
01-11-2005, 06:42 AM
Does anyone else but me smell a rat in this story? Well maybe not a rat, but definitely subterfuge.

A sub operating in deep water runs aground and does not not what they hit? The Navy spokesman indicates they were conucting "operations." Now I was destroyers, not subs, so I won't claim to know about subsurface navigation. But I know we would have had about 6 sets of eyes examining the charts several days in advance to watch for possible boo-boos like that.

This whole this shrieks out "We hit another sub and aren't going to say it."

My only question is whose sub was it? and did we know it was there?

I know we have been playing "tag" with other nations subs for decades. Was it one of those games that went awry. It's happened before.

Mike

aduane
01-11-2005, 07:18 AM
It is possible they hit another sub, but more likely is that the hit an undersea mountain. It could have easily been an uncharted undersea mountain, or they could have been off course by a degree or two and been out of position relative to were they thought they were. Normally the charts are gone over several days ahead of time and a track is laid out. Once the track is established, depending on the operating environment and mission there would have been only the quartermaster of the watch (QMOW) watching and charting there position. If they were in a modified piloting party the QMOW would have been supplemented by the A-Nav or Navigator.

As far as the PacFleet spokesperson being vague it is not surprising. It is policy that the Navy does not comment on submarine operations. Hence the name ďSilent Service.Ē

Rain Man
01-11-2005, 07:55 AM
I'm still wondering how deep it was. If it was the Marianas area, that's way deep, much deeper than I thought subs operated. Or do they generally try to stay near the bottom no matter how deep it is?

stumppy
01-11-2005, 09:00 AM
I'm still wondering how deep it was. If it was the Marianas area, that's way deep, much deeper than I thought subs operated. Or do they generally try to stay near the bottom no matter how deep it is?

I think they all have a limit as to how deep they can go. But I have no idea what that limit is for any particular class.


Kinda on topic:
I watched something on the Discovery channel about what happens to subs when they reach crush depth. If I remember right the oxygen in the sub gets compressed so fast/hard it explodes.

aduane
01-11-2005, 01:38 PM
According to Navy public relations U.S. Submarines can operate at depths in excess of 800 feet. Actual test depths and crush depths very from class to class (i.e. 688, 688I, 726) and are classified. If a submarine implodes it will look like a bomb went off. Declassified pictures of the USS Thresher, which imploded in 1963, show no piece left larger than a compact car. I donít know were you would find those pictures but Iíll bet you can google them.

KC Dan
01-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Being a retired sub sailor, I could tell you all everything that you want to know but... i'd have to kill you afterwards.

PastorMikH
01-11-2005, 03:28 PM
Whew! I saw the title and thought, "Again? That's twice in one week." Then I saw the thread was just bumped is all.



:)

Calcountry
01-11-2005, 03:35 PM
I wish. Search is disabled, I guess. It was about a year ago.

Maybe you could try. It won't converse with me.
Just a thought, there was a time when I was hirassing jettio by inserting the feminine pronoun when referring the HER. I did this for about 3 to four days in a thread.

Sorry if I got you all fugged up Donger. lmao.

Calcountry
01-11-2005, 03:38 PM
Has there ever been a USS Kansas City? Was it a Los Angeles class sub, and if not, why not? Damn it, I need answers man.
The Kansas City, should be a R&R vessel with crazy little women on it.

Then the Sailors could go to "Kansas City..."

Calcountry
01-11-2005, 03:40 PM
I think all of that happened when bunnytrdr used that as a throwaway insult when he was otherwise getting the worst of some exchange.

Evidently fools like Donger and others were too stupid to figure out that bunnytrdr was using a grade school insult.

I did not bother addressing that stupid sh*t, because how could anybody read my posts and get confused about the gender of the poster.

And Donger's fellow dipsh*t bunnytrdr never bothered to let his stupid friends know that he had just made up a kindergarten insult, he probably is confused about it himself by now.

That meatpeeker Donger is an online stalker asking questions. After claiming that I lied about my bio information, I challenged the wanker to a wager that he ran all the f*ck away from. Can you believe that?

Now he's typing away repeating the insulting sh*t that he did not have the decency to back up with some cash and begging for a search feature. Pretty surprising since when he was a newbie and giving me the bum rush with the personal questions, I told him to quit being a pest and use the search feature to find what I had already posted about myself and those topics.

Now he wishes for a search feature so that he can find imaginary stupid sh*t.

That fool deserves a prize. Unbelievable.
Sorry about that jettio.

KC Dan
01-11-2005, 03:40 PM
The Kansas City, should be a R&R vessel with crazy little women on it.

Then the Sailors could go to "Kansas City..."
It wouldn't fly, sailors can't wear mullets and I wouldn't recommend the beef on board to Osama....

Calcountry
01-11-2005, 03:42 PM
So, jettio's a plank owner on a fast attack? Which one?
Hey Donger, Jettio is a man, and it is as he said in his explanation post.

I was phuggin with him.

go bowe
01-11-2005, 03:51 PM
Hey Donger, Jettio is a man, and it is as he said in his explanation post.

I was phuggin with him.no, say it ain't so...

i thought bunnies were supposed to be nice... ROFL ROFL ROFL

Calcountry
01-11-2005, 03:53 PM
no, say it ain't so...

i thought bunnies were supposed to be nice... ROFL ROFL ROFL
Yeah, I hump like a bunny too.

go bowe
01-11-2005, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I hump like a bunny too.tmi... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

jettio
01-11-2005, 09:29 PM
Sorry about that jettio.

No problem. :thumb:

But I better not catch you standing up and peeing.

You sit down when you pee from now on. :D

KCJake
01-11-2005, 09:34 PM
This thread is 6 pages long and NO PICS??? :harumph:

Donger
01-11-2005, 11:08 PM
I don't answer your questions because you are disrespectful and narcissistic.

You need to quit lying to yourself and you should not be naturally perplexed, you asked me about my time in the military in disrespectful way after you had already got off on the wrong foot, and I told you that I don't care to waste my time with disrespectful people, and I told your dumbazz that I had posted before about submarines and that you could use the search feature if you wanted to see what I posted about it.

I can't imagine what kind of person calls another person an imposter or liar without any grounds for that other than they want to manipulate and annoy a person.

That is not cool at all.

If you will recall, I happened to see your interaction with bunnytrader, while he was teasing you by calling you "her." Of course, at the time I had no idea that he was teasing you, and that are in fact male. Also in that thread was your submarine service. Obviously, one or the other was false. So, I tied to ascertain which one was false. You got all pissy and put me on iggy.

That's about it.

As for being disrespectful, get over yourself. I thank you for your service, like I do all other service people. But, no offense, you are one pretty arrogant person. Nothing wrong with that (so am I), but I hardly think that your service gives you carte blanche for being a condescending, petulant butthead.

And, narcissistic? Forgive me, but you may want to take a peek in the mirror. You come across as being so full of yourself that I'm surprised you can contain it.

I guess DanT got all the humility in the family, eh?

go bowe
01-11-2005, 11:18 PM
If you will recall, I happened to see your interaction with bunnytrader, while he was teasing you by calling you "her." Of course, at the time I had no idea that he was teasing you, and that are in fact male. Also in that thread was your submarine service. Obviously, one or the other was false. So, I tied to ascertain which one was false. You got all pissy and put me on iggy.

That's about it.

As for being disrespectful, get over yourself. I thank you for your service, like I do all other service people. But, no offense, you are one pretty arrogant person. Nothing wrong with that (so am I), but I hardly think that your service gives you carte blanche for being a condescending, petulant butthead.

And, narcissistic? Forgive me, but you may want to take a peek in the mirror. You come across as being so full of yourself that I'm surprised you can contain it.

I guess DanT got all the humility in the family, eh?:clap: :clap: :clap:

:hail: :hail: :hail:

:wayne: :wayne: :wayne:

Barret
01-12-2005, 07:11 AM
Updated information for you all


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/national/12sub.html?ei=5006&en=b0fff208ce95aa79&ex=1106110800&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

jettio
01-12-2005, 09:06 AM
If you will recall, I happened to see your interaction with bunnytrader, while he was teasing you by calling you "her." Of course, at the time I had no idea that he was teasing you, and that are in fact male. Also in that thread was your submarine service. Obviously, one or the other was false. So, I tied to ascertain which one was false. You got all pissy and put me on iggy.

That's about it.

As for being disrespectful, get over yourself. I thank you for your service, like I do all other service people. But, no offense, you are one pretty arrogant person. Nothing wrong with that (so am I), but I hardly think that your service gives you carte blanche for being a condescending, petulant butthead.

And, narcissistic? Forgive me, but you may want to take a peek in the mirror. You come across as being so full of yourself that I'm surprised you can contain it.

I guess DanT got all the humility in the family, eh?

I could really give a sh*t about how you were stupid enouigh to believe something completely ridiculous. You established yourself as a POS long before that.

I can look into the mirror and know that I don't make false and baseless accusations.

You got off on the wrong foot with me by acting as if you have some right to demand other posters to make thoughtful responses to your questions and statements and then not answer in kind.

It was pretty evident that you get some kind of thrill having smart people take you seriously with no intention or understanding of how to act as an equal.

You are just an azzwipe who thinks you can give someone the 3rd degree and then refuse to put any effort into answering if the same question is asked of you.

Nearly all of the officers in the submarine service that I saw where white males.

You were probably rejected because the interviewer figured that there was a good chance that when the Torpedo Room reported to control that tube # 2 was loaded with LtJG Donger, the CO would have come running out of his state room and ordering that that they flood and fire that sum'b*tch ASAP.

Radar Chief
01-12-2005, 09:53 AM
I can look into the mirror and know that I don't make false and baseless accusations.


:LOL: Thatís absolutely freakín hilarious. ROFL

Donger
01-12-2005, 09:59 AM
I can look into the mirror and know that I don't make false and baseless accusations.


You were probably rejected because the interviewer figured that there was a good chance that when the Torpedo Room reported to control that tube # 2 was loaded with LtJG Donger, the CO would have come running out of his state room and ordering that that they flood and fire that sum'b*tch ASAP.

ROFL

You were saying? I was at least hoping that, being the genious you are, you'd be able to manage to get through at least one whole post without contradicting yourself...

Donger
01-12-2005, 10:00 AM
You are just an azzwipe who thinks you can give someone the 3rd degree and then refuse to put any effort into answering if the same question is asked of you.

BTW jettio, what question have you ever asked me that I've refused to answer?

DanT
01-12-2005, 10:03 AM
Updated information for you all


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/national/12sub.html?ei=5006&en=b0fff208ce95aa79&ex=1106110800&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

Thanks, Barret! Here's the text from that story.
January 12, 2005
E-Mail Shows Toll of Crash on Submarine
By CHRISTOPHER DREW

The nuclear submarine that ran aground Saturday in the South Pacific hit so "incredibly hard" that about 60 of its 137 crew members were injured and the sailor who died was thrown 20 feet by the impact, according to internal Navy e-mail messages sent by a top admiral.


The messages said the submarine's hull was severely damaged after the head-on crash into what Navy officials believe was an undersea mountain that was not on the navigation charts. One message said the submarine, the San Francisco, was traveling at high speed, and the impact practically stopped it in its tracks and caused flooding in parts of the bow.


The messages were written by Rear Adm. Paul F. Sullivan, the commander of submarines in the Pacific. They paint a more dire picture of the accident, which occurred 360 miles southeast of Guam, than had previously been disclosed. They also hint at the extensive efforts to steady the vessel and save the sailor who died.


The e-mail indicated that the Navy had tried to evacuate the fatally injured man, Machinist Mate 2nd Class Joseph A. Ashley, within hours after he had been thrown forward and hit his head on a metal pump, which knocked him unconscious.


Petty Officer Ashley's father, Daniel L. Ashley, said in an interview he had been told that as a helicopter hovered over the choppy seas, crew members could not maneuver a stretcher carrying his son through the submarine's hatches before he died.


"They tried numerous times to maneuver him through various hatches," Mr. Ashley said. "But it just didn't happen."


Admiral Sullivan, who is based in Hawaii, sent the e-mail messages to other Navy officials. As the messages circulated within the submarine community, two people provided copies to The New York Times, and Navy officials confirmed their authenticity.


The e-mail also indicated that about 60 crew members had been injured. All the Navy had said publicly was that 23 crew members were treated for broken bones, cuts and bruises.


The messages said those 23 were hurt seriously enough that they were unable to stand their watch duties as the submarine limped back to Guam. Mr. Ashley said the submarine's captain, Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, told him by phone on Monday that among the injured crew members, "there were a lot of broken fingers, broken arms and legs and one fractured back."


Navy officials said yesterday that the rest of the injuries were minor.


The admiral's e-mail also said an outer hull ripped open at the submarine's nose, causing flooding in a dome with sonar sensors and in four of the ballast tanks used to submerge the vessel or take it to the surface.


The flooding caused the submarine to sit deeper in the water and made it hard to maneuver on the trip back to Guam. Sailors had to keep pumping pressurized air into the tanks to prevent the water from rising and to maintain buoyancy.


An inner hull, which surrounds the crew's living and work spaces, held firm, the e-mail said. The nuclear reactor and critical propulsion systems were not damaged.


In the e-mail, Admiral Sullivan did not discuss why the vessel ran aground. The Navy is investigating, and the admiral, who ultimately will have to decide whether to reprimand any of the submarine's crew members, did not respond to requests for comment.


Navy officials have said that the submarine, which was headed for Australia, appeared to have smashed into an undersea mountain that was not on its charts. Mr. Ashley, who lives in Akron, Ohio, said Commander Mooney told him the same thing on Monday.


"He said, 'On the charts we have, this is a clear area all the way through to Australia,' " Mr. Ashley said.


Navy officials said the San Francisco was traveling at 30 knots when it careened off some part of the undersea mountain range. In one of the e-mail messages, Admiral Sullivan wrote that on impact, the vessel made a "nearly instantaneous deacceleration" to about 4 knots.


Mr. Ashley said Commander Mooney told him that his son had just gotten off watch duty in the engine area and was chatting with other sailors when the accident occurred.


Mr. Ashley said his son, who was 24, "loved the Navy and that submarine" and had just re-enlisted.


Mr. Ashley said Commander Mooney, who could not be reached for comment, also told him that his son's condition seemed to worsen as sailors labored to tilt the stretcher through the evacuation hatch.


Mr. Ashley said that at the end of the conversation, Commander Mooney told him that he took full responsibility for the sailor's death. Mr. Ashley said he replied that he had heard all he needed "to know that you and your crew did everything you could do to save my son's life."

vailpass
01-12-2005, 10:19 AM
"Mr. Ashley said that at the end of the conversation, Commander Mooney told him that he took full responsibility for the sailor's death. Mr. Ashley said he replied that he had heard all he needed "to know that you and your crew did everything you could do to save my son's life."

I don't know why but that brought tears to my eyes.

jettio
01-12-2005, 10:37 AM
:LOL: Thatís absolutely freakín hilarious. ROFL

Present some contrary evidence.

Radar Chief
01-12-2005, 10:40 AM
Present some contrary evidence.

I think Donger did a pretty good job of that already, but if Iíve got time Iíll dig up something later.

Barret
01-12-2005, 11:07 AM
LOL...hey DanT, I got lazy and didnt post it all. hehehe

Ok my search skills are coming up with nothing. I am trying to find out what boats this CMDR Mooney served on. His name sounds VERY familiar and I will laugh a hardy laugh if I think I know who this is.

Any help would be appreciated. I thought that most web sites of boats had the officer or at least CO listing and then a background of that officer. I cant seem to find his.

jettio
01-12-2005, 11:09 AM
Thanks, Barret! Here's the text from that story.
January 12, 2005
E-Mail Shows Toll of Crash on Submarine
By CHRISTOPHER DREW

The nuclear submarine that ran aground Saturday in the South Pacific hit so "incredibly hard" that about 60 of its 137 crew members were injured and the sailor who died was thrown 20 feet by the impact, according to internal Navy e-mail messages sent by a top admiral.


The messages said the submarine's hull was severely damaged after the head-on crash into what Navy officials believe was an undersea mountain that was not on the navigation charts. One message said the submarine, the San Francisco, was traveling at high speed, and the impact practically stopped it in its tracks and caused flooding in parts of the bow.


The messages were written by Rear Adm. Paul F. Sullivan, the commander of submarines in the Pacific. They paint a more dire picture of the accident, which occurred 360 miles southeast of Guam, than had previously been disclosed. They also hint at the extensive efforts to steady the vessel and save the sailor who died.


The e-mail indicated that the Navy had tried to evacuate the fatally injured man, Machinist Mate 2nd Class Joseph A. Ashley, within hours after he had been thrown forward and hit his head on a metal pump, which knocked him unconscious.


Petty Officer Ashley's father, Daniel L. Ashley, said in an interview he had been told that as a helicopter hovered over the choppy seas, crew members could not maneuver a stretcher carrying his son through the submarine's hatches before he died.


"They tried numerous times to maneuver him through various hatches," Mr. Ashley said. "But it just didn't happen."


Admiral Sullivan, who is based in Hawaii, sent the e-mail messages to other Navy officials. As the messages circulated within the submarine community, two people provided copies to The New York Times, and Navy officials confirmed their authenticity.


The e-mail also indicated that about 60 crew members had been injured. All the Navy had said publicly was that 23 crew members were treated for broken bones, cuts and bruises.


The messages said those 23 were hurt seriously enough that they were unable to stand their watch duties as the submarine limped back to Guam. Mr. Ashley said the submarine's captain, Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, told him by phone on Monday that among the injured crew members, "there were a lot of broken fingers, broken arms and legs and one fractured back."


Navy officials said yesterday that the rest of the injuries were minor.


The admiral's e-mail also said an outer hull ripped open at the submarine's nose, causing flooding in a dome with sonar sensors and in four of the ballast tanks used to submerge the vessel or take it to the surface.


The flooding caused the submarine to sit deeper in the water and made it hard to maneuver on the trip back to Guam. Sailors had to keep pumping pressurized air into the tanks to prevent the water from rising and to maintain buoyancy.


An inner hull, which surrounds the crew's living and work spaces, held firm, the e-mail said. The nuclear reactor and critical propulsion systems were not damaged.


In the e-mail, Admiral Sullivan did not discuss why the vessel ran aground. The Navy is investigating, and the admiral, who ultimately will have to decide whether to reprimand any of the submarine's crew members, did not respond to requests for comment.


Navy officials have said that the submarine, which was headed for Australia, appeared to have smashed into an undersea mountain that was not on its charts. Mr. Ashley, who lives in Akron, Ohio, said Commander Mooney told him the same thing on Monday.


"He said, 'On the charts we have, this is a clear area all the way through to Australia,' " Mr. Ashley said.


Navy officials said the San Francisco was traveling at 30 knots when it careened off some part of the undersea mountain range. In one of the e-mail messages, Admiral Sullivan wrote that on impact, the vessel made a "nearly instantaneous deacceleration" to about 4 knots.


Mr. Ashley said Commander Mooney told him that his son had just gotten off watch duty in the engine area and was chatting with other sailors when the accident occurred.


Mr. Ashley said his son, who was 24, "loved the Navy and that submarine" and had just re-enlisted.


Mr. Ashley said Commander Mooney, who could not be reached for comment, also told him that his son's condition seemed to worsen as sailors labored to tilt the stretcher through the evacuation hatch.


Mr. Ashley said that at the end of the conversation, Commander Mooney told him that he took full responsibility for the sailor's death. Mr. Ashley said he replied that he had heard all he needed "to know that you and your crew did everything you could do to save my son's life."

That is what I would have expected. I thought it was an undersea mountain and that it would have been someone hurt from fall and a head injury in the engine room, everything is all metal there and a person could fall a long way into something on a sudden transient like that.

One of the watchstations I used to stand, and the engineroom layout on that boat is pretty much the same.

Sad day, must have been pretty frustrating that the medevac attempt did not work out, kinda surprised by that unless the seas were too rough.

DanT
01-12-2005, 11:44 AM
LOL...hey DanT, I got lazy and didnt post it all. hehehe

Ok my search skills are coming up with nothing. I am trying to find out what boats this CMDR Mooney served on. His name sounds VERY familiar and I will laugh a hardy laugh if I think I know who this is.

Any help would be appreciated. I thought that most web sites of boats had the officer or at least CO listing and then a background of that officer. I cant seem to find his.

This old article was written by a Kevin Mooney that was the Executive Officer on the USS Georgia, a boomer.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_5/boomer.html

DanT
01-12-2005, 11:53 AM
The Spring, 2004, issue of Undersea Warfare announced that Commander Kevin Mooney had taken over command of the USS San Francisco.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_22/downlink2.htm

Barret
01-12-2005, 12:48 PM
Thanks for the help.