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Oxford
01-17-2005, 07:22 PM
Woods, Jerome S
2004 660,000 2005 865,000 2006 1,600,000
Wesley, Greg SS
2004 535,000 2005 865,000 2006 2,500,000
Stills, Gary DE
2004 600,000 2005 800,000 2006 1,100,000
Sims, Ryan DT
2004 535,000 2005 832,000 2006 1,167,000
Morton, Johnnie WR
2004 2,500,000 2005 3,000,000 2006 3,500,000
McCleon, Dexter CB
2004 1,000,000 2005 1,500,000 2006 2,000,000
Maslowski, Mike LB
2004 820,000 2005 1,000,000 2006 1,500,000
Holliday, Vonnie DE
2004 1,450,000 2005 2,200,000 2006 2,760,000
Hicks, Eric DE
2004 535,000 2005 1,000,000 2006 2,100,000
Browning, John DT
2004 660,000 2005 1,200,000 2006 1,500,000
Barber, Shawn LB
2004 1,600,000 2005 2,200,000 2006 2,750,000
Bartee, William CB
2004 550,000 2005 800,000 2006 1,100,000

Count Alex's Wins
01-17-2005, 07:23 PM
Woods, Jerome S
2004 660,000 2005 865,000 2006 1,600,000
Wesley, Greg SS
2004 535,000 2005 865,000 2006 2,500,000
Stills, Gary DE
2004 600,000 2005 800,000 2006 1,100,000
Sims, Ryan DT
2004 535,000 2005 832,000 2006 1,167,000
Morton, Johnnie WR
2004 2,500,000 2005 3,000,000 2006 3,500,000
McCleon, Dexter CB
2004 1,000,000 2005 1,500,000 2006 2,000,000
Maslowski, Mike LB
2004 820,000 2005 1,000,000 2006 1,500,000
Holliday, Vonnie DE
2004 1,450,000 2005 2,200,000 2006 2,760,000
Hicks, Eric DE
2004 535,000 2005 1,000,000 2006 2,100,000
Browning, John DT
2004 660,000 2005 1,200,000 2006 1,500,000
Barber, Shawn LB
2004 1,600,000 2005 2,200,000 2006 2,750,000
Bartee, William CB
2004 550,000 2005 800,000 2006 1,100,000

Woods is pretty cheap.

I'd say the only locks to be cut on this list are Morton, Holliday, McNugget and Shawn Barber.

shaneo69
01-17-2005, 07:26 PM
Don't Woods and Wesley both have a 2nd tier bonus due to them soon?

rocks
01-17-2005, 07:30 PM
As much as I like Maz, there is no way they are going to pay him anything close to a million. Even if he is ready, which is still a question.

Oxford
01-17-2005, 07:31 PM
I got this off the chiefswarpath site, and they said salaries. I think there are some roster bonuses due.... someone on here will know.

Ralphy Boy
01-17-2005, 07:35 PM
Holliday I think is due a bonus in the offseason also, so in addition to his salary he's gone.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-17-2005, 07:39 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing all those players leave. Wouldn't miss them one bit.

Mr. Laz
01-17-2005, 07:48 PM
without the signing bonuses and knowing how much is left to be pro-rated to the cap ... we really can't tell much by those numbers


high draft pick ... big bonus:
Sims, Ryan DT
2004 535,000 2005 832,000 2006 1,167,000

all new contracts last year with new signing bonuses:
Woods, Jerome S
2004 660,000 2005 865,000 2006 1,600,000
Wesley, Greg SS
2004 535,000 2005 865,000 2006 2,500,000
Bartee, William CB
2004 550,000 2005 800,000 2006 1,100,000
Hicks, Eric DE
2004 535,000 2005 1,000,000 2006 2,100,000
Browning, John DT
2004 660,000 2005 1,200,000 2006 1,500,000

Deberg_1990
01-17-2005, 07:51 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing all those players leave. Wouldn't miss them one bit.

Exactly....they have all had 3 or 4 years...its time they all leave. I wouldnt miss 1

Sure-Oz
01-17-2005, 07:56 PM
What a total waste of $$$$!!!

Oxford
01-18-2005, 11:56 AM
Some more information

The six-year deal for Woods, who had made it clear his preference was to return to the Chiefs, is worth more than $3 million annually. The combined value of the initial signing bonus and a second-tier option bonus is $5 million, the same as Wesley's contract
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Coming off what was arguably the best season of his four-year career, Wesley received a signing bonus of $4 million and will earn a second-tier option bonus of $1 million in the spring of 2005. His base salaries are $535,000 (for 2004), $865,000 (2005), $2.5 million (2006), $2.7 million (2007), $2.8 million (2008) and $3.3 million (2009).

In addition, there are annual roster bonuses of $300,000 in each year of the contract and yearly workout bonuses of $100,000 each for 2005 through 2009.
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Browning, 30, started all 16 games in 2003 and finished with 55 tackles, one-half sack and two pass deflections. A third-round pick in the 1996 draft, the eight-year veteran has appeared in 89 games and started 76 of them. His career totals include 233 tackles, 21 sacks, one interception and seven pass deflections.
The former West Virginia star signed a contract that included a $3 million bonus and base salaries of $660,000 (2004), $1.2 million (2005), $1.5 million (2006), $2 million (2007) and $2.5 million (2008). There are annual workout bonuses of $50,000 each, a roster bonus of $200,000 for 2004 and roster bonuses of $250,000 each for 2005-2008.
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Morton's original deal was for 25 million over 7 years with a 5.5 mil bonus.
By my reconing, he has four years left so the cap hit would be around 3 million
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LB Shawn Barber to a reported seven-year, $30 million contract Monday.
$5.5 million signing bonus, for example, will be spread over the seven-year life of the contract. This was in 2003 so there are 5 years left on this contract, the cap hit would be around 4 million.
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McCleon signed a five-year contract worth $11.155 million. It includes a $2 million signing bonus and also a $500,000 option bonus due next spring

BigRedChief
01-18-2005, 12:02 PM
Yep, We need a list of bonus and salary due. what's left for the Chiefs to eat if they cut or release a player. Does a site exsist that shows salary/bonus together?

Oxford
01-18-2005, 12:34 PM
Morton's contract is interesting -- by my figures he has a cap hit of around 3 million dollars if he is released, but he has a salary of 3 million. So if released the Chiefs have 3 million more cash, but 3 million tied up in dead money, in essence a zero cap effect especially if a player under contract takes his place.

McCleon has a salary cap hit of 800k (2 years of signing bonus left) and a salary of 1.5 million for next year. The Chiefs would have a cash flow increase of 700k (if released), but would have 800k dead money.

shaneo69
01-18-2005, 12:58 PM
When searching for a listing of Ryan Sims' signing bonus, I found this little nugget from 2002 on NonstopSports.com...

IT'S ABOUT ME

That's what Packers defensive end Vonnie Holliday sounds like when he's complaining about his contract.

Entering the final year of his contract, Holliday had hoped to have a new deal before the start of the season. It still could happen, but the two sides are apparently far apart regarding his value, and that rankles Holliday.

"I think I'm in the top five," Holliday said, comparing himself to NFL defensive ends. "I can't tell you what it's worth. I guess we'll find out. Sky's the limit, baby. (But) I don't think (Tennessee's Jevon) Kearse does what I do. Does (pass rushing) make our defense work? Vonnie Holliday, as a power end in the Green Bay Packer defense, makes this defense work. You have to stop the run first, then play the pass. Multi-faceted. Can play up and down the line.

"Some guys rip up the field every play. I could do that and get 12 sacks. I'm a disciplined player playing within the scheme of the defense and having success."

Holliday, though, showed his me-first attitude when the contract that Steelers defensive end Aaron Smith was mentioned. Smith signed this year for $25 million over five years with a $5.5 million signing bonus. He's unheralded, because he's an end in a 3-4 defense, where his role is not unlike that of Holliday.

"I don't even know who that guy is," Holliday said.

Bowser
01-18-2005, 01:02 PM
When searching for a listing of Ryan Sims' signing bonus, I found this little nugget from 2002 on NonstopSports.com...

IT'S ABOUT ME

That's what Packers defensive end Vonnie Holliday sounds like when he's complaining about his contract.

Entering the final year of his contract, Holliday had hoped to have a new deal before the start of the season. It still could happen, but the two sides are apparently far apart regarding his value, and that rankles Holliday.

"I think I'm in the top five," Holliday said, comparing himself to NFL defensive ends. "I can't tell you what it's worth. I guess we'll find out. Sky's the limit, baby. (But) I don't think (Tennessee's Jevon) Kearse does what I do. Does (pass rushing) make our defense work? Vonnie Holliday, as a power end in the Green Bay Packer defense, makes this defense work. You have to stop the run first, then play the pass. Multi-faceted. Can play up and down the line.

"Some guys rip up the field every play. I could do that and get 12 sacks. I'm a disciplined player playing within the scheme of the defense and having success."

Holliday, though, showed his me-first attitude when the contract that Steelers defensive end Aaron Smith was mentioned. Smith signed this year for $25 million over five years with a $5.5 million signing bonus. He's unheralded, because he's an end in a 3-4 defense, where his role is not unlike that of Holliday.

"I don't even know who that guy is," Holliday said.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

philfree
01-18-2005, 01:16 PM
Another part of our Cap is Holmes. How much money we saved from him not achieving inncentives this season? It'd be nice to add a couple mil to our cap from Holmes being out for half the season.

PhilFree :arrow:

Mr. Laz
01-18-2005, 01:42 PM
Morton's contract is interesting -- by my figures he has a cap hit of around 3 million dollars if he is released, but he has a salary of 3 million. So if released the Chiefs have 3 million more cash, but 3 million tied up in dead money, in essence a zero cap effect especially if a player under contract takes his place

so if we aren't saving any cap room by cutting morton ... should we?


i mean is he would "less than nothing"


i wouldn't think so, keep him, but bring in people who will hopefully push him out of the starting lineup.

bkkcoh
01-18-2005, 01:48 PM
Another part of our Cap is Holmes. How much money we saved from him not achieving inncentives this season? It'd be nice to add a couple mil to our cap from Holmes being out for half the season.

PhilFree :arrow:


It would all depend on whether or not the goals were considered common or not. It is my understanding that if the incentive is way out there and is met, it is NOT counted against the salary cap. But that is only if IIRC.

philfree
01-18-2005, 02:23 PM
It would all depend on whether or not the goals were considered common or not. It is my understanding that if the incentive is way out there and is met, it is NOT counted against the salary cap. But that is only if IIRC.


I'm guessing but Holmes probably has a petty big incentive if rushes for over a 1000 yards. He also probably has an incentive if he leads the league in rushing and he probably has one for a certain number of TDs. If we could add a mil to our cap that be great.

PhilFree :arrow:

Kris Kringle
01-18-2005, 02:37 PM
Woods, Jerome S -- keep
Wesley, Greg SS -- keep
Stills, Gary DE -- keep
Sims, Ryan DT -- keep
Morton, Johnnie WR -- cut
McCleon, Dexter CB -- cut
Maslowski, Mike LB -- cut
Holliday, Vonnie DE -- cut
Hicks, Eric DE -- cut
Browning, John DT -- cut
Barber, Shawn LB -- cut
Bartee, William CB -- cut


That's my list. It's just that simple.

htismaqe
01-18-2005, 03:41 PM
Screw Jerome Woods...cut him.

kc-nd
01-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Your headline, did you say gooners or goners?

shaneo69
01-18-2005, 04:21 PM
so if we aren't saving any cap room by cutting morton ... should we?


i mean is he would "less than nothing"


i wouldn't think so, keep him, but bring in people who will hopefully push him out of the starting lineup.

I think cutting him is more about his attitude and questionable "injuries" that he's unable to play through.

alanm
01-18-2005, 04:27 PM
Your headline, did you say gooners or goners?Gomers :banghead::cuss:

RINGLEADER
01-18-2005, 07:18 PM
What sucks is that Bartee and Hicks and anyone else who doesn't have a roster bonus coming is a lock to be on the roster next year.

RINGLEADER
01-18-2005, 07:23 PM
That's my list. It's just that simple.

Woods, Jerome S -- keep
Wesley, Greg SS -- keep
Stills, Gary DE -- keep
Sims, Ryan DT -- keep
Morton, Johnnie WR -- cut
McCleon, Dexter CB -- cut
Maslowski, Mike LB -- cut
Holliday, Vonnie DE -- cut
Hicks, Eric DE -- cut
Browning, John DT -- cut
Barber, Shawn LB -- cut
Bartee, William CB -- cut

I can't say that I disagree a whole lot with this - or with those who think Woods should get the axe as well. Also, where is Lionel Dalton in all of this? He's a definite keeper in my book, although he didn't seem quite as strong in the second half of the season (but who can blame him after going through the Broncos' conditioning program?)...

So that leaves us needing a new DE, a couple new LBs, a new starting CB, a new starting nickel CB, and possibly a new starting safety. Maybe Shanaurd Harts can take over, but he didn't do a whole lot to impress anyone during the second half of the season either.

Bowser
01-18-2005, 07:37 PM
Screw Jerome Woods...cut him.

CASHMAN will have your ass if you keep talking that nonsense!


And yeah, I agree. Unless he played through some dibilitating injury all year that we had no idea about.

htismaqe
01-18-2005, 07:42 PM
So that leaves us needing a new DE, a couple new LBs, a new starting CB, a new starting nickel CB, and possibly a new starting safety. Maybe Shanaurd Harts can take over, but he didn't do a whole lot to impress anyone during the second half of the season either.

Don't count out Willie Pile. IMO, he was better than Harts at times this season.

htismaqe
01-18-2005, 07:43 PM
CASHMAN will have your ass if you keep talking that nonsense!


And yeah, I agree. Unless he played through some dibilitating injury all year that we had no idea about.

That's funny, considering it's the VERY FIRST THING I thought of when I posted my response! :thumb:

nychief
01-18-2005, 07:43 PM
I say cut Morton and sign Brett Parriman

royr17
01-18-2005, 07:50 PM
I wouldnt cut Woods just yet, maybe he was trying to do some of the same things over that he did in GROB's system, and I say give him another year to see if he can go back to doing what he does best Guns's system if not, then cut him, but not yet.

Woods and Wesley need to stay. Holliday needs to go, Barber needs to go (although I really liked him as a player just think we need to get someone better), Maz, McCleon, MORTON BIG TIME, Bartee, and Welbourn cause I think he sucks, I mean come on why in the world would the eagles him at LG instead of RT for them, huh, and go pick up Jon Runyan if he was worth a shot.

ROYC75
01-18-2005, 08:30 PM
I can see at least 5 that are gone or they better restructure.

Mr. Laz
01-18-2005, 08:41 PM
I think cutting him is more about his attitude and questionable "injuries" that he's unable to play through.

fair enough